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[Meta] Unsubscribe / help footer at the bottom of messages to this list.
Hi all,
before I unsubscribe I should note that the incoming messages from this list
should have an Unsubscribe / How-to-get-help footer at teh bottom of their
messages.
Regards,
Shlomi Fish
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Re: [Meta] Unsubscribe / help footer at the bottom of messages to this list.
Posted by Mark Martinec <Ma...@ijs.si>.
> On 07.10.10 13:28, Giampaolo Tomassoni wrote:
> > I see what you mean, but, well, I personally would vote "no" to this.
> >
> > I'm really tired of all that mailing lists which can't stay from
> > attaching their own banners and general hints at the message tail.
I fully agree.
> not mentioning breakage of e.g. DKIM.
> btw, not to be off-topic at least once, can SA comply with this?
Not breaking DKIM signature? Yes, on both accounts:
- the users@spamassassin.apache.org mailing list does not break signatures
(thankfully it does not modify Subject or add footers/signatures);
- DKIM signatures in messages passed through SpamAssassin are normally
not invalidated, unless one configures SA to modify Subject or to add
a report to the body of a message.
Mark
Re: [Meta] Unsubscribe / help footer at the bottom of messages to
this list.
Posted by Matus UHLAR - fantomas <uh...@fantomas.sk>.
> > Furthermore, I suggest having a footer with unsubscription / help
> > information in addition to the header because the header may not be
> > visible, not all E-mail clients may display it, and people may
> > otherwise be unaware of it. I have often seen some "unsubscribe"
> > messages sent to mailing lists and putting the ubsubscription
> > information in the footer greatly reduces that.
- the unsubscribe instructions are in the subscription confirming e-mail
(you must send subscription request and confirm it back to get that mail)
- I've seen unsubscribe requests even in lists that do have such footer
On 07.10.10 13:28, Giampaolo Tomassoni wrote:
> I see what you mean, but, well, I personally would vote "no" to this.
>
> I'm really tired of all that mailing lists which can't stay from attaching
> their own banners and general hints at the message tail.
not mentioning breakage of e.g. DKIM.
btw, not to be off-topic at least once, can SA comply with this?
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RE: [Meta] Unsubscribe / help footer at the bottom of messages to this list.
Posted by Giampaolo Tomassoni <Gi...@Tomassoni.biz>.
> Furthermore, I suggest having a footer with unsubscription / help
> information
> in addition to the header because the header may not be visible, not
> all E-
> mail clients may display it, and people may otherwise be unaware of it.
> I have
> often seen some "unsubscribe" messages sent to mailing lists and
> putting the
> ubsubscription information in the footer greatly reduces that.
I see what you mean, but, well, I personally would vote "no" to this.
I'm really tired of all that mailing lists which can't stay from attaching
their own banners and general hints at the message tail.
After all, the SA users list is not for the faint of heart and people (like
you do, in example) should at least know how to unsubscribe from an
ezmlm-managed list...
Giampaolo
>
> > so it all comes back to PEBKAC.
>
> I know how to unsubscribe - that's not the problem.
>
> Regards,
>
> Shlomi Fish
>
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Re: [Meta] Unsubscribe / help footer at the bottom of messages to this list.
Posted by Shlomi Fish <sh...@iglu.org.il>.
On Thursday 07 October 2010 11:57:03 Mathias Homann wrote:
> On Thursday 07 October 2010 11:46:58 Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote:
> > On 07.10.10 11:11, Shlomi Fish wrote:
> > > before I unsubscribe I should note that the incoming messages from this
> > > list should have an Unsubscribe / How-to-get-help footer at teh bottom
> > > of their messages.
> >
> > They have standardized header:
> >
> > list-unsubscribe: <ma...@spamassassin.apache.org>
> >
> > Don't blame the mailing list just because your mailer is not capable of
> > processing that...
>
> oh, but the kmail that shlomi's using is perfectly capable to process list
> headers... all you need is a filter to move mails from lists into separate
> folders, one per list, and then tell kmail that those folders contain
> mailing lists.
I already filter the mails into their own folders. However, I don't see an
option to explicitly tell kmail that those folders contain mailing list (not
that I know how this will matter).
Furthermore, I suggest having a footer with unsubscription / help information
in addition to the header because the header may not be visible, not all E-
mail clients may display it, and people may otherwise be unaware of it. I have
often seen some "unsubscribe" messages sent to mailing lists and putting the
ubsubscription information in the footer greatly reduces that.
> so it all comes back to PEBKAC.
I know how to unsubscribe - that's not the problem.
Regards,
Shlomi Fish
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Re: [Meta] Unsubscribe / help footer at the bottom of messages to this list.
Posted by Mathias Homann <ad...@eregion.de>.
On Thursday 07 October 2010 11:46:58 Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote:
> On 07.10.10 11:11, Shlomi Fish wrote:
> > before I unsubscribe I should note that the incoming messages from this
> > list should have an Unsubscribe / How-to-get-help footer at teh bottom
> > of their messages.
>
> They have standardized header:
>
> list-unsubscribe: <ma...@spamassassin.apache.org>
>
> Don't blame the mailing list just because your mailer is not capable of
> processing that...
oh, but the kmail that shlomi's using is perfectly capable to process list
headers... all you need is a filter to move mails from lists into separate
folders, one per list, and then tell kmail that those folders contain mailing
lists.
so it all comes back to PEBKAC.
Re: [Meta] Unsubscribe / help footer at the bottom of messages to
this list.
Posted by Matus UHLAR - fantomas <uh...@fantomas.sk>.
On 07.10.10 11:11, Shlomi Fish wrote:
> before I unsubscribe I should note that the incoming messages from this list
> should have an Unsubscribe / How-to-get-help footer at teh bottom of their
> messages.
They have standardized header:
list-unsubscribe: <ma...@spamassassin.apache.org>
Don't blame the mailing list just because your mailer is not capable of
processing that...
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Re: [Meta] Unsubscribe / help footer at the bottom of messages to
this list.
Posted by Benny Pedersen <me...@junc.org>.
On tor 07 okt 2010 11:11:09 CEST, Shlomi Fish wrote
> before I unsubscribe I should note that the incoming messages from this list
> should have an Unsubscribe / How-to-get-help footer at teh bottom of their
> messages.
http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2919
eg using squirrelmail, roundcube, horde imp, it works
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Re: [Meta] Unsubscribe / help footer at the bottom of messages to
this list.
Posted by Benny Pedersen <me...@junc.org>.
On tor 07 okt 2010 22:19:29 CEST, Karsten Bräckelmann wrote
> It's not a matter of missing "information" forced onto each and any
> post. Ultimately, it boils down to the subscribers' clue level, in
> particular understanding email and mailing lists.
i see it as subscribers missing buttoms in there so smart gui to
handle rfc2919
most so smart gui have enough buttoms to confuse the problem :)
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RE: [Meta] Unsubscribe / help footer at the bottom of messages to this list.
Posted by Giampaolo Tomassoni <Gi...@Tomassoni.biz>.
> I was going to suggest the footer should read:
>
> To unsubscribe from this mailing list see the list-unsubscribe:
> header
Ahaha! I vote "yes" to it. ;)
Re: [Meta] Unsubscribe / help footer at the bottom of messages to
this list.
Posted by Benny Pedersen <me...@junc.org>.
On fre 08 okt 2010 03:18:35 CEST, John Hardin wrote
>> But I believe we already crossed the line from "meta" to OT. ;)
>> This braindead message munging won't happen on this list.
>
> Oh, agreed.
one could change it to be more helpfull signatures :)
To unsubscribe from this mailing list see the list-unsubscribe: header
This braindead message munging won't happen on this list.
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Re: [Meta] Unsubscribe / help footer at the bottom of messages to
this list.
Posted by John Hardin <jh...@impsec.org>.
On Thu, 7 Oct 2010, Karsten Br�ckelmann wrote:
> On Thu, 2010-10-07 at 14:28 -0700, John Hardin wrote:
>> On Thu, 7 Oct 2010, Karsten Bräckelmann wrote:
>>> It's not a matter of missing "information" forced onto each and any
>>> post. Ultimately, it boils down to the subscribers' clue level, in
>>> particular understanding email and mailing lists.
>>
>> I was going to suggest the footer should read:
>>
>> To unsubscribe from this mailing list see the list-unsubscribe: header
>
> Well, this still would be an intrusive disclaimer. And *really* not
> necessary with this list and its audience, as history shows.
Humor, Karsten; humor. :)
> But I believe we already crossed the line from "meta" to OT. ;) This
> braindead message munging won't happen on this list.
Oh, agreed.
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Re: [Meta] Unsubscribe / help footer at the bottom of messages to
this list.
Posted by Karsten Bräckelmann <gu...@rudersport.de>.
On Thu, 2010-10-07 at 14:28 -0700, John Hardin wrote:
> On Thu, 7 Oct 2010, Karsten Bräckelmann wrote:
> > It's not a matter of missing "information" forced onto each and any
> > post. Ultimately, it boils down to the subscribers' clue level, in
> > particular understanding email and mailing lists.
>
> I was going to suggest the footer should read:
>
> To unsubscribe from this mailing list see the list-unsubscribe: header
Well, this still would be an intrusive disclaimer. And *really* not
necessary with this list and its audience, as history shows.
With other lists populated by non tech-savvy folks, it won't work
either. You lost your audience by referring to a "header". You would not
assume people unable to comprehend a verbose "how to unsub" disclaimer,
and still manage to send it straight to the list, to grok that, would
you?
Yes, I have seen helpful replies along the lines of "the next paragraph
tells you how to unsub". The full sender's text. The next paragraph
would be the list-added disclaimer -- of course, also part of the OP's
unsub request in the first place.
But I believe we already crossed the line from "meta" to OT. ;) This
braindead message munging won't happen on this list.
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OT (Was: Unsubscribe / help footer at the bottom of messages to this
list.)
Posted by mouss <mo...@ml.netoyen.net>.
Le 07/10/2010 23:28, John Hardin a écrit :
> On Thu, 7 Oct 2010, Karsten Br�ckelmann wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 2010-10-07 at 11:11 +0200, Shlomi Fish wrote:
>>> before I unsubscribe I should note that the incoming messages from
>>> this list
>>> should have an Unsubscribe / How-to-get-help footer at teh bottom of
>>> their
>>> messages.
>>
>> It's not a matter of missing "information" forced onto each and any
>> post. Ultimately, it boils down to the subscribers' clue level, in
>> particular understanding email and mailing lists.
>
> I was going to suggest the footer should read:
>
> To unsubscribe from this mailing list see the list-unsubscribe: header
>
>
John, thanks for this one! (a chance I wasn't drinking coffee while
reading...)
Re: [Meta] Unsubscribe / help footer at the bottom of messages to
this list.
Posted by John Hardin <jh...@impsec.org>.
On Thu, 7 Oct 2010, Karsten Br�ckelmann wrote:
> On Thu, 2010-10-07 at 11:11 +0200, Shlomi Fish wrote:
>> before I unsubscribe I should note that the incoming messages from this list
>> should have an Unsubscribe / How-to-get-help footer at teh bottom of their
>> messages.
>
> It's not a matter of missing "information" forced onto each and any
> post. Ultimately, it boils down to the subscribers' clue level, in
> particular understanding email and mailing lists.
I was going to suggest the footer should read:
To unsubscribe from this mailing list see the list-unsubscribe: header
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Re: [Meta] Unsubscribe / help footer at the bottom of messages to
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Posted by Karsten Bräckelmann <gu...@rudersport.de>.
On Thu, 2010-10-07 at 11:11 +0200, Shlomi Fish wrote:
> before I unsubscribe I should note that the incoming messages from this list
> should have an Unsubscribe / How-to-get-help footer at teh bottom of their
> messages.
Please tell me I am not the only one to see the irony.
I can't even remember the last time I've seen an unsub request straight
to this list. I do, however, frequently see them on some lists despite
adding such a footer.
It's not a matter of missing "information" forced onto each and any
post. Ultimately, it boils down to the subscribers' clue level, in
particular understanding email and mailing lists.
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char *t="\10pse\0r\0dtu\0.@ghno\x4e\xc8\x79\xf4\xab\x51\x8a\x10\xf4\xf4\xc4";
main(){ char h,m=h=*t++,*x=t+2*h,c,i,l=*x,s=0; for (i=0;i<l;i++){ i%8? c<<=1:
(c=*++x); c&128 && (s+=h); if (!(h>>=1)||!t[s+h]){ putchar(t[s]);h=m;s=0; }}}