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Posted to dev@commons.apache.org by Vic Cekvenich <ce...@baseBeans.com> on 2003/11/07 23:53:35 UTC
Re: OT: Re: was [ANN] hivemind has been temporarily taken offline,
NOW: Geronimo code onwership
Danny Angus wrote:
>
> 3/ Geronimo is not under the jurisdiction of this PMC. The Geronimo
> situation was explained to you at the time .
Would you please refresh my memory a link the message explaining the
source of Geronimo source? I think that most people believe, including
me, that it is refactored jBoss code, how else could so much code apear.
or just ignore this post, no need for another flame war on Geronimo. I
think Geronimo is a shamefull part of ASF.
tia,
.V
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Re: OT: Re: was [ANN] hivemind has been temporarily taken offline, NOW: Geronimo code onwership
Posted by "Geir Magnusson Jr." <ge...@optonline.net>.
On Sunday, November 9, 2003, at 12:15 PM, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
>
>> Take it to the members list or the Geronimo list.
>
> He can't take it to the members list. He's not a Member. Which also
> means
> that he's not privy to whatever, if any, discussion occured on that
> list
> regarding Geronimo or any other project, as the content of that list is
> confidential.
True, but the member discussion is irrelevant because the project was
initiated with as much fanfare as possible, with open invitations to
anyone and everyone to review the code as posted.
>
> Judging from his messages on Incubator General
> (http://nagoya.apache.org/eyebrowse/
> SearchList?listId=&listName=general@incu
> bator.apache.org&searchText=Cekvenich&defaultField=sender&Search=Search
> ), I
> can see why he is upset that Geronimo project got green lighted, and
> his
> basicPortal messages were ignored. basicPortal looks interesting. One
> problem is that far too many messages have been, and continue to be,
> ignored
> on Incubator. Incubator needs more resources.
That's all well and good, but the reason to be mad at Apache can't be
because of some imagined hijacking of someone else's IP, in this case
JBoss's with Geronimo. There are probably a lot of criticisms that can
be debated about Apache, but respect for IP isn't one of them.
I think that we are in violent agreement :)
geir
>
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RE: OT: Re: was [ANN] hivemind has been temporarily taken offline, NOW: Geronimo code onwership
Posted by "Noel J. Bergman" <no...@devtech.com>.
> > Would you please refresh my memory a link the message explaining the
> > source of Geronimo source? I think that most people believe, including
> > me, that it is refactored jBoss code, how else could so much code
> > apear.
> Come on, Vic. Take this to the geronimo list if you have accusations.
The one time he posted to the geronimo-dev list
(http://nagoya.apache.org/eyebrowse/ReadMsg?listName=geronimo-dev@incubator.
apache.org&msgId=790688), he chose not to deal with the responses to his
accusations.
> They are free to re-license their code if they choose to
Correct. As long as it is *their* code, and not work-for-hire, a derived
work with someone else's IP, or some other situation where they don't have
complete rights to the work.
In any event, he was convinced of the origin of the code before there was
any, so why should his a priori view be any different now?
> Take it to the members list or the Geronimo list.
He can't take it to the members list. He's not a Member. Which also means
that he's not privy to whatever, if any, discussion occured on that list
regarding Geronimo or any other project, as the content of that list is
confidential.
Judging from his messages on Incubator General
(http://nagoya.apache.org/eyebrowse/SearchList?listId=&listName=general@incu
bator.apache.org&searchText=Cekvenich&defaultField=sender&Search=Search), I
can see why he is upset that Geronimo project got green lighted, and his
basicPortal messages were ignored. basicPortal looks interesting. One
problem is that far too many messages have been, and continue to be, ignored
on Incubator. Incubator needs more resources.
--- Noel
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Re: OT: Re: was [ANN] hivemind has been temporarily taken offline, NOW: Geronimo code onwership
Posted by "Geir Magnusson Jr." <ge...@optonline.net>.
On Friday, November 7, 2003, at 05:53 PM, Vic Cekvenich wrote:
>
> Danny Angus wrote:
>
>> 3/ Geronimo is not under the jurisdiction of this PMC. The Geronimo
>> situation was explained to you at the time .
>
> Would you please refresh my memory a link the message explaining the
> source of Geronimo source? I think that most people believe, including
> me, that it is refactored jBoss code, how else could so much code
> apear.
Come on, Vic. Take this to the geronimo list if you have accusations.
Remember, many of the core Geronimo developers were core JBoss
developers. They are free to re-license their code if they choose to,
just like you can take code *you* contribute to the ASF and relicense
if you wish to. They are also focused and dedicated and working on
this full time, in an area that they have expertise in. Re-writing
something you have done before is generally much faster the 2nd time
around.
>
> or just ignore this post, no need for another flame war on Geronimo. I
> think Geronimo is a shamefull part of ASF.
Take it to the members list or the Geronimo list.
geir
>
> tia,
> .V
>
>
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