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Posted to dev@rave.apache.org by Ate Douma <at...@douma.nu> on 2012/02/01 10:22:40 UTC

OpenSocial License and Copyright claims?

Hi,

For Apache Shindig and Apache Rave (Incubating) I'm currently reviewing and 
backtracking our legal obligations with respect to (re)distribution of 
copyright, notice and license claims, and in this case concerning the OpenSocial 
specification usage.

As Apache projects, we're providing and distribute our releases under the Apache 
2.0 license (obviously) which requires us (section 4.c) to retain "all 
copyright, patent, trademark, and attribution notices from the Source form of 
the Work".

The OpenSocial spec as hosted on http://code.google.com/p/opensocial-resources 
carries (only) the Apache 2.0 License, but nowhere is there any mentioning of 
copyright, patent, trademark or any other attribution notices. At least none 
that I can find.
And I can't find anything of that kind either on http://docs.opensocial.org

I can assume the OpenSocial Foundation does (or should want to) claim some form 
of copyright on the specification, but without that being made explicit 
*somewhere* (preferably then at least in context of the specification sources), 
it is impossible for us to 'do the right thing'.

Right now, Apache Shindig does carry a license [1] which claims copyright by the 
OpenSocial Foundation (c) 2009, but I have no way of verifying if that is 
(still) correct or even valid as such.

I'm not sure this is the right channel to request input on this, or if 
opensocial-board@googlegroups.com would be better suited.
If so please let me know and I'll move my request for input there then.

Kind regards,

Ate Douma
Apache Rave PMC member

[1] https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/shindig/trunk/LICENSE

Re: [osgs] Re: OpenSocial License and Copyright claims?

Posted by "Mark W." <we...@gmail.com>.
Ate,

I think there an intentional separation between the code (shindig) and the 
spec (opensocial). 

<<However, Shindig also (and still) uses *and* bundles the 0.8 
specification javascript sources.>>
Where does shindig pick up the 0.8 stuff? 

I think the right thing to do is add the proper copyrights to the spec so 
that you can be compliant with Apache. 

Would that work for you?

Re: [osgs] Re: OpenSocial License and Copyright claims?

Posted by "Mark W." <we...@gmail.com>.
Ate,

I think there an intentional separation between the code (shindig) and the 
spec (opensocial). 

<<However, Shindig also (and still) uses *and* bundles the 0.8 
specification javascript sources.>>
Where does shindig pick up the 0.8 stuff? 

I think the right thing to do is add the proper copyrights to the spec so 
that you can be compliant with Apache. 

Would that work for you?

Re: [osgs] Re: OpenSocial License and Copyright claims?

Posted by Ate Douma <at...@douma.nu>.
On 02/01/2012 01:46 PM, Mark W. wrote:
> Ate,
> Great to see everything's going well with Rave!!
>
> If the link above does not provide the necessary information, I'm more than
> happy to work with you to make it easy to get what you need. Please let me know.
>

Hi Mark,

I don't think the above link [1] provides the needed information yet.
What it does provide is AFAIK only information on the OpenSocial Foundation 
'Intellectual Property Rights Policy', which I already did read.
That policy makes clear that *contributors* need to grant a copyright license to 
the foundation, under the terms of the Creative Commons Attribute License 3.0.

Nowhere however can I find any copyright and license claim made by the 
foundation *itself* on (primarily) the OpenSocial specification.

For Apache Shindig the current specifications since 0.9+ this doesn't seem that 
important anymore, as Shindig only provides an implementation of the spec (which 
should be free if I'm correct), it doesn't bundle/embed and/or redistribute the 
spec itself as such.

However, Shindig also (and still) uses *and* bundles the 0.8 specification 
javascript sources. Those carry the Apache 2 License, but without any specific 
copyright claim, which then should also state the year(s) covered, nor any other 
notice. And that is the concern of my question.

Furthermore, how does using the Apache 2 license for these sources relate to the 
Creative Commons Attribute License 3.0 required from contributors?

And, as the specifications since 0.9+ doesn't carry any reference to any license 
or copyright themselves, nor is there any indication otherwise within the svn 
repository, the only 'global' statement I see is on the project home page where 
it says Code license: Apache License 2.0

We (Apache project) are required to carry on existing copyright, license and 
possible additional notices in our distributions, but right now I have nothing 
to work with...

We could of course decide to simply *not* carry any notice for using and 
bundling the OpenSocial 0.8 specification, as I see no claim, but I'd like to do 
this proper, hence my request for clarification.

Regards, Ate


> -Mark Weitzel
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Re: [osgs] Re: OpenSocial License and Copyright claims?

Posted by Ate Douma <at...@douma.nu>.
On 02/01/2012 01:46 PM, Mark W. wrote:
> Ate,
> Great to see everything's going well with Rave!!
>
> If the link above does not provide the necessary information, I'm more than
> happy to work with you to make it easy to get what you need. Please let me know.
>

Hi Mark,

I don't think the above link [1] provides the needed information yet.
What it does provide is AFAIK only information on the OpenSocial Foundation 
'Intellectual Property Rights Policy', which I already did read.
That policy makes clear that *contributors* need to grant a copyright license to 
the foundation, under the terms of the Creative Commons Attribute License 3.0.

Nowhere however can I find any copyright and license claim made by the 
foundation *itself* on (primarily) the OpenSocial specification.

For Apache Shindig the current specifications since 0.9+ this doesn't seem that 
important anymore, as Shindig only provides an implementation of the spec (which 
should be free if I'm correct), it doesn't bundle/embed and/or redistribute the 
spec itself as such.

However, Shindig also (and still) uses *and* bundles the 0.8 specification 
javascript sources. Those carry the Apache 2 License, but without any specific 
copyright claim, which then should also state the year(s) covered, nor any other 
notice. And that is the concern of my question.

Furthermore, how does using the Apache 2 license for these sources relate to the 
Creative Commons Attribute License 3.0 required from contributors?

And, as the specifications since 0.9+ doesn't carry any reference to any license 
or copyright themselves, nor is there any indication otherwise within the svn 
repository, the only 'global' statement I see is on the project home page where 
it says Code license: Apache License 2.0

We (Apache project) are required to carry on existing copyright, license and 
possible additional notices in our distributions, but right now I have nothing 
to work with...

We could of course decide to simply *not* carry any notice for using and 
bundling the OpenSocial 0.8 specification, as I see no claim, but I'd like to do 
this proper, hence my request for clarification.

Regards, Ate


> -Mark Weitzel
>
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Re: OpenSocial License and Copyright claims?

Posted by "Mark W." <we...@gmail.com>.
Ate,
Great to see everything's going well with Rave!!

If the link above does not provide the necessary information, I'm more than 
happy to work with you to make it easy to get what you need. Please let me 
know.

-Mark Weitzel

Re: [osgs] OpenSocial License and Copyright claims?

Posted by Paul Lindner <li...@inuus.com>.
I believe that the supporting documentation you're looking for is here:

http://docs.opensocial.org/display/OSF/Home

Note that the original specification was distributed as javascript which
was translated into jsdoc and published, which is why you see the mention
in NOTICE.


On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 1:22 AM, Ate Douma <at...@douma.nu> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> For Apache Shindig and Apache Rave (Incubating) I'm currently reviewing
> and backtracking our legal obligations with respect to (re)distribution of
> copyright, notice and license claims, and in this case concerning the
> OpenSocial specification usage.
>
> As Apache projects, we're providing and distribute our releases under the
> Apache 2.0 license (obviously) which requires us (section 4.c) to retain
> "all copyright, patent, trademark, and attribution notices from the Source
> form of the Work".
>
> The OpenSocial spec as hosted on http://code.google.com/p/**
> opensocial-resources <http://code.google.com/p/opensocial-resources>carries (only) the Apache 2.0 License, but nowhere is there any mentioning
> of copyright, patent, trademark or any other attribution notices. At least
> none that I can find.
> And I can't find anything of that kind either on
> http://docs.opensocial.org
>
> I can assume the OpenSocial Foundation does (or should want to) claim some
> form of copyright on the specification, but without that being made
> explicit *somewhere* (preferably then at least in context of the
> specification sources), it is impossible for us to 'do the right thing'.
>
> Right now, Apache Shindig does carry a license [1] which claims copyright
> by the OpenSocial Foundation (c) 2009, but I have no way of verifying if
> that is (still) correct or even valid as such.
>
> I'm not sure this is the right channel to request input on this, or if
> opensocial-board@googlegroups.**com <op...@googlegroups.com>would be better suited.
> If so please let me know and I'll move my request for input there then.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Ate Douma
> Apache Rave PMC member
>
> [1] https://svn.apache.org/repos/**asf/shindig/trunk/LICENSE<https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/shindig/trunk/LICENSE>
>
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>
>


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Re: OpenSocial License and Copyright claims?

Posted by "Mark W." <we...@gmail.com>.
Ate,
Great to see everything's going well with Rave!!

If the link above does not provide the necessary information, I'm more than 
happy to work with you to make it easy to get what you need. Please let me 
know.

-Mark Weitzel

Re: [osgs] OpenSocial License and Copyright claims?

Posted by Paul Lindner <li...@inuus.com>.
I believe that the supporting documentation you're looking for is here:

http://docs.opensocial.org/display/OSF/Home

Note that the original specification was distributed as javascript which
was translated into jsdoc and published, which is why you see the mention
in NOTICE.


On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 1:22 AM, Ate Douma <at...@douma.nu> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> For Apache Shindig and Apache Rave (Incubating) I'm currently reviewing
> and backtracking our legal obligations with respect to (re)distribution of
> copyright, notice and license claims, and in this case concerning the
> OpenSocial specification usage.
>
> As Apache projects, we're providing and distribute our releases under the
> Apache 2.0 license (obviously) which requires us (section 4.c) to retain
> "all copyright, patent, trademark, and attribution notices from the Source
> form of the Work".
>
> The OpenSocial spec as hosted on http://code.google.com/p/**
> opensocial-resources <http://code.google.com/p/opensocial-resources>carries (only) the Apache 2.0 License, but nowhere is there any mentioning
> of copyright, patent, trademark or any other attribution notices. At least
> none that I can find.
> And I can't find anything of that kind either on
> http://docs.opensocial.org
>
> I can assume the OpenSocial Foundation does (or should want to) claim some
> form of copyright on the specification, but without that being made
> explicit *somewhere* (preferably then at least in context of the
> specification sources), it is impossible for us to 'do the right thing'.
>
> Right now, Apache Shindig does carry a license [1] which claims copyright
> by the OpenSocial Foundation (c) 2009, but I have no way of verifying if
> that is (still) correct or even valid as such.
>
> I'm not sure this is the right channel to request input on this, or if
> opensocial-board@googlegroups.**com <op...@googlegroups.com>would be better suited.
> If so please let me know and I'll move my request for input there then.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Ate Douma
> Apache Rave PMC member
>
> [1] https://svn.apache.org/repos/**asf/shindig/trunk/LICENSE<https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/shindig/trunk/LICENSE>
>
> --
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
> "OpenSocial and Gadgets Specification Discussion" group.
> To post to this group, send email to opensocial-and-gadgets-spec@**
> googlegroups.com <op...@googlegroups.com>.
> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to opensocial-and-gadgets-spec+
> **unsubscribe@googlegroups.com<op...@googlegroups.com>
> .
> For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/**
> group/opensocial-and-gadgets-**spec?hl=en<http://groups.google.com/group/opensocial-and-gadgets-spec?hl=en>
> .
>
>


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