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Posted to dev@kafka.apache.org by Boyang Chen <re...@gmail.com> on 2020/03/02 17:23:23 UTC
Add a customized logo for Kafka Streams
Hey Apache Kafka committers and community folks,
over the years Kafka Streams has been widely adopted and tons of blog posts
and tech talks have been trying to introduce it to people with need of
stream processing. As it is part of Apache Kafka project, there is always
an awkward situation where Kafka Streams could not be campaigned as a
standalone streaming engine, and makes people confused about its relation
to Kafka.
So, do we want to introduce a customized logo just for Streams? The
immediate benefit is when people are making technical decisions, we could
list Streams as a logo just like Flink and Spark Streaming, instead of
putting Kafka logo there as it is not literally a legitimate comparison
between processing framework and messaging system. Should we do a KIP for
this?
Boyang
Re: Add a customized logo for Kafka Streams
Posted by Guozhang Wang <wa...@gmail.com>.
I like the drawings too :)
On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 3:35 AM Patrik Kleindl <pk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Great idea, I would definitely buy the book with that on the cover :-)
> best regards
> Patrik
>
> On Fri, 13 Mar 2020 at 09:57, Becket Qin <be...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I also like this one!
> >
> > Jiangjie (Becket) Qin
> >
> > On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 9:07 AM Matthias J. Sax <mj...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> >
> > > I personally love it!
> > >
> > > -Matthias
> > >
> > > On 3/12/20 11:31 AM, Sophie Blee-Goldman wrote:
> > > > How reasonable of it. Let's try this again:
> > > > Streams Logo option 2
> > > >
> > > <
> > >
> >
> https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1WoWn0kF3E7dbL1FGYT8_-bIeT2IjfYORAm6gg8Ils4k/edit?usp=sharing
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 9:34 AM Guozhang Wang <wa...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Hi Sophie,
> > > >>
> > > >> I cannot find the attachment from your previous email --- in fact,
> ASF
> > > >> mailing list usually blocks all attachments for security reasons. If
> > you
> > > >> can share a link to the image (google drawings etc) in your email
> that
> > > >> would be great.
> > > >>
> > > >> Guozhang
> > > >>
> > > >> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:02 PM Sophie Blee-Goldman <
> > > sophie@confluent.io>
> > > >> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>> Just to throw another proposal out there and inspire some debate,
> > > here's
> > > >>> a similar-but-different
> > > >>> idea (inspired by John + some sketches I found on google):
> > > >>>
> > > >>> *~~ See attachment, inlined image is too large for the mailing list
> > ~~*
> > > >>>
> > > >>> This one's definitely more fun, my only concern is that it doesn't
> > > really
> > > >>> scale well. At the lower end
> > > >>> of sizes the otters will be pretty difficult to see; and I had to
> > > stretch
> > > >>> out the Kafka circles even at
> > > >>> the larger end just to fit them through.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> But maybe with a cleaner drawing and some color it'll still look
> > > good and
> > > >>> be recognizable + distinct
> > > >>> enough when small.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Any thoughts? Any binding and/or non-binding votes?
> > > >>>
> > > >>> On Sun, Mar 8, 2020 at 1:00 AM Sophie Blee-Goldman <
> > > sophie@confluent.io>
> > > >>> wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> Seems the mailing list may have filtered the inlined prototype
> logo,
> > > >>>> attaching it here instead
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> On Sat, Mar 7, 2020 at 11:54 PM Sophie Blee-Goldman
> > > <so...@confluent.io>
> > > >>>> wrote:
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>> Matthias makes a good point about being careful not to position
> > > Streams
> > > >>>>> as
> > > >>>>> outside of Apache Kafka. One obvious thing we could do it just
> > > include
> > > >>>>> the
> > > >>>>> Kafka logo as-is in the Streams logo, somehow.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> I have some unqualified opinions on what that might look like:
> > > >>>>> A good logo is simple and clean, so incorporating the Kafka logo
> > as a
> > > >>>>> minor
> > > >>>>> detail within a more complicated image is probably not the best
> way
> > > to
> > > >>>>> get
> > > >>>>> the quick and easy comprehension/recognition that we're going
> for.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> That said I'd throw out the idea of just attaching something to
> the
> > > >>>>> Kafka logo,
> > > >>>>> perhaps a stream-dwelling animal, perhaps a (river) otter? It
> could
> > > be
> > > >>>>> "swimming" left of the Kafka logo, with its head touching the
> upper
> > > >>>>> circle and
> > > >>>>> its tail touching the bottom one. Like Streams, it starts with
> > Kafka
> > > >>>>> and ends
> > > >>>>> with Kafka (ie reading input topics and writing to output
> topics).
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Without further ado, here's my very rough prototype for the Kafka
> > > >>>>> Streams logo:
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> [image: image.png]
> > > >>>>> Obviously the real thing would be colored and presumably done by
> > > someone
> > > >>>>> with actual artist talent/experience (or at least photoshop
> > ability).
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Thoughts?
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> On Sat, Mar 7, 2020, 1:08 PM Matthias J. Sax <mj...@apache.org>
> > > wrote:
> > > >>>>>
> > > > Boyang,
> > > >
> > > > thanks for starting this discussion. I like the idea in general
> > > > however we need to be a little careful IMHO -- as you mentioned Kafka
> > > > is one project and thus we should avoid the impression that Kafka
> > > > Streams is not part of Apache Kafka.
> > > >
> > > > Besides this, many projects use animals that are often very adorable.
> > > > Maybe we could find a cute Streams related mascot? :)
> > > >
> > > > I would love to hear opinions especially from the PMC if having a
> logo
> > > > for Kafka Streams is a viable thing to do.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -Matthias
> > > >
> > > > On 3/3/20 1:01 AM, Patrik Kleindl wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>> Hi Boyang Great idea, that would help in some discussions. To
> > > throw
> > > >>>>>>>> in a first idea: https://imgur.com/a/UowXaMk best regards
> > Patrik
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> On Mon, 2 Mar 2020 at 18:23, Boyang Chen
> > > >>>>>>>> <re...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>> Hey Apache Kafka committers and community folks,
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>> over the years Kafka Streams has been widely adopted and tons
> > of
> > > >>>>>>>>> blog posts and tech talks have been trying to introduce it to
> > > >>>>>>>>> people with need of stream processing. As it is part of
> Apache
> > > >>>>>>>>> Kafka project, there is always an awkward situation where
> Kafka
> > > >>>>>>>>> Streams could not be campaigned as a standalone streaming
> > engine,
> > > >>>>>>>>> and makes people confused about its relation to Kafka.
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>> So, do we want to introduce a customized logo just for
> Streams?
> > > >>>>>>>>> The immediate benefit is when people are making technical
> > > >>>>>>>>> decisions, we could list Streams as a logo just like Flink
> and
> > > >>>>>>>>> Spark Streaming, instead of putting Kafka logo there as it is
> > not
> > > >>>>>>>>> literally a legitimate comparison between processing
> framework
> > > >>>>>>>>> and messaging system. Should we do a KIP for this?
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>> Boyang
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>
> > > >> --
> > > >> -- Guozhang
> > > >>
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
--
-- Guozhang
Re: Add a customized logo for Kafka Streams
Posted by Patrik Kleindl <pk...@gmail.com>.
Great idea, I would definitely buy the book with that on the cover :-)
best regards
Patrik
On Fri, 13 Mar 2020 at 09:57, Becket Qin <be...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I also like this one!
>
> Jiangjie (Becket) Qin
>
> On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 9:07 AM Matthias J. Sax <mj...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> > I personally love it!
> >
> > -Matthias
> >
> > On 3/12/20 11:31 AM, Sophie Blee-Goldman wrote:
> > > How reasonable of it. Let's try this again:
> > > Streams Logo option 2
> > >
> > <
> >
> https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1WoWn0kF3E7dbL1FGYT8_-bIeT2IjfYORAm6gg8Ils4k/edit?usp=sharing
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 9:34 AM Guozhang Wang <wa...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >> Hi Sophie,
> > >>
> > >> I cannot find the attachment from your previous email --- in fact, ASF
> > >> mailing list usually blocks all attachments for security reasons. If
> you
> > >> can share a link to the image (google drawings etc) in your email that
> > >> would be great.
> > >>
> > >> Guozhang
> > >>
> > >> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:02 PM Sophie Blee-Goldman <
> > sophie@confluent.io>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Just to throw another proposal out there and inspire some debate,
> > here's
> > >>> a similar-but-different
> > >>> idea (inspired by John + some sketches I found on google):
> > >>>
> > >>> *~~ See attachment, inlined image is too large for the mailing list
> ~~*
> > >>>
> > >>> This one's definitely more fun, my only concern is that it doesn't
> > really
> > >>> scale well. At the lower end
> > >>> of sizes the otters will be pretty difficult to see; and I had to
> > stretch
> > >>> out the Kafka circles even at
> > >>> the larger end just to fit them through.
> > >>>
> > >>> But maybe with a cleaner drawing and some color it'll still look
> > good and
> > >>> be recognizable + distinct
> > >>> enough when small.
> > >>>
> > >>> Any thoughts? Any binding and/or non-binding votes?
> > >>>
> > >>> On Sun, Mar 8, 2020 at 1:00 AM Sophie Blee-Goldman <
> > sophie@confluent.io>
> > >>> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> Seems the mailing list may have filtered the inlined prototype logo,
> > >>>> attaching it here instead
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On Sat, Mar 7, 2020 at 11:54 PM Sophie Blee-Goldman
> > <so...@confluent.io>
> > >>>> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> Matthias makes a good point about being careful not to position
> > Streams
> > >>>>> as
> > >>>>> outside of Apache Kafka. One obvious thing we could do it just
> > include
> > >>>>> the
> > >>>>> Kafka logo as-is in the Streams logo, somehow.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> I have some unqualified opinions on what that might look like:
> > >>>>> A good logo is simple and clean, so incorporating the Kafka logo
> as a
> > >>>>> minor
> > >>>>> detail within a more complicated image is probably not the best way
> > to
> > >>>>> get
> > >>>>> the quick and easy comprehension/recognition that we're going for.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> That said I'd throw out the idea of just attaching something to the
> > >>>>> Kafka logo,
> > >>>>> perhaps a stream-dwelling animal, perhaps a (river) otter? It could
> > be
> > >>>>> "swimming" left of the Kafka logo, with its head touching the upper
> > >>>>> circle and
> > >>>>> its tail touching the bottom one. Like Streams, it starts with
> Kafka
> > >>>>> and ends
> > >>>>> with Kafka (ie reading input topics and writing to output topics).
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Without further ado, here's my very rough prototype for the Kafka
> > >>>>> Streams logo:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> [image: image.png]
> > >>>>> Obviously the real thing would be colored and presumably done by
> > someone
> > >>>>> with actual artist talent/experience (or at least photoshop
> ability).
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Thoughts?
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> On Sat, Mar 7, 2020, 1:08 PM Matthias J. Sax <mj...@apache.org>
> > wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > > Boyang,
> > >
> > > thanks for starting this discussion. I like the idea in general
> > > however we need to be a little careful IMHO -- as you mentioned Kafka
> > > is one project and thus we should avoid the impression that Kafka
> > > Streams is not part of Apache Kafka.
> > >
> > > Besides this, many projects use animals that are often very adorable.
> > > Maybe we could find a cute Streams related mascot? :)
> > >
> > > I would love to hear opinions especially from the PMC if having a logo
> > > for Kafka Streams is a viable thing to do.
> > >
> > >
> > > -Matthias
> > >
> > > On 3/3/20 1:01 AM, Patrik Kleindl wrote:
> > >>>>>>>> Hi Boyang Great idea, that would help in some discussions. To
> > throw
> > >>>>>>>> in a first idea: https://imgur.com/a/UowXaMk best regards
> Patrik
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> On Mon, 2 Mar 2020 at 18:23, Boyang Chen
> > >>>>>>>> <re...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> Hey Apache Kafka committers and community folks,
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> over the years Kafka Streams has been widely adopted and tons
> of
> > >>>>>>>>> blog posts and tech talks have been trying to introduce it to
> > >>>>>>>>> people with need of stream processing. As it is part of Apache
> > >>>>>>>>> Kafka project, there is always an awkward situation where Kafka
> > >>>>>>>>> Streams could not be campaigned as a standalone streaming
> engine,
> > >>>>>>>>> and makes people confused about its relation to Kafka.
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> So, do we want to introduce a customized logo just for Streams?
> > >>>>>>>>> The immediate benefit is when people are making technical
> > >>>>>>>>> decisions, we could list Streams as a logo just like Flink and
> > >>>>>>>>> Spark Streaming, instead of putting Kafka logo there as it is
> not
> > >>>>>>>>> literally a legitimate comparison between processing framework
> > >>>>>>>>> and messaging system. Should we do a KIP for this?
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> Boyang
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> -- Guozhang
> > >>
> > >
> >
> >
>
Re: Add a customized logo for Kafka Streams
Posted by Becket Qin <be...@gmail.com>.
I also like this one!
Jiangjie (Becket) Qin
On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 9:07 AM Matthias J. Sax <mj...@apache.org> wrote:
> I personally love it!
>
> -Matthias
>
> On 3/12/20 11:31 AM, Sophie Blee-Goldman wrote:
> > How reasonable of it. Let's try this again:
> > Streams Logo option 2
> >
> <
> https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1WoWn0kF3E7dbL1FGYT8_-bIeT2IjfYORAm6gg8Ils4k/edit?usp=sharing
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 9:34 AM Guozhang Wang <wa...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Sophie,
> >>
> >> I cannot find the attachment from your previous email --- in fact, ASF
> >> mailing list usually blocks all attachments for security reasons. If you
> >> can share a link to the image (google drawings etc) in your email that
> >> would be great.
> >>
> >> Guozhang
> >>
> >> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:02 PM Sophie Blee-Goldman <
> sophie@confluent.io>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Just to throw another proposal out there and inspire some debate,
> here's
> >>> a similar-but-different
> >>> idea (inspired by John + some sketches I found on google):
> >>>
> >>> *~~ See attachment, inlined image is too large for the mailing list ~~*
> >>>
> >>> This one's definitely more fun, my only concern is that it doesn't
> really
> >>> scale well. At the lower end
> >>> of sizes the otters will be pretty difficult to see; and I had to
> stretch
> >>> out the Kafka circles even at
> >>> the larger end just to fit them through.
> >>>
> >>> But maybe with a cleaner drawing and some color it'll still look
> good and
> >>> be recognizable + distinct
> >>> enough when small.
> >>>
> >>> Any thoughts? Any binding and/or non-binding votes?
> >>>
> >>> On Sun, Mar 8, 2020 at 1:00 AM Sophie Blee-Goldman <
> sophie@confluent.io>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Seems the mailing list may have filtered the inlined prototype logo,
> >>>> attaching it here instead
> >>>>
> >>>> On Sat, Mar 7, 2020 at 11:54 PM Sophie Blee-Goldman
> <so...@confluent.io>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Matthias makes a good point about being careful not to position
> Streams
> >>>>> as
> >>>>> outside of Apache Kafka. One obvious thing we could do it just
> include
> >>>>> the
> >>>>> Kafka logo as-is in the Streams logo, somehow.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I have some unqualified opinions on what that might look like:
> >>>>> A good logo is simple and clean, so incorporating the Kafka logo as a
> >>>>> minor
> >>>>> detail within a more complicated image is probably not the best way
> to
> >>>>> get
> >>>>> the quick and easy comprehension/recognition that we're going for.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> That said I'd throw out the idea of just attaching something to the
> >>>>> Kafka logo,
> >>>>> perhaps a stream-dwelling animal, perhaps a (river) otter? It could
> be
> >>>>> "swimming" left of the Kafka logo, with its head touching the upper
> >>>>> circle and
> >>>>> its tail touching the bottom one. Like Streams, it starts with Kafka
> >>>>> and ends
> >>>>> with Kafka (ie reading input topics and writing to output topics).
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Without further ado, here's my very rough prototype for the Kafka
> >>>>> Streams logo:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> [image: image.png]
> >>>>> Obviously the real thing would be colored and presumably done by
> someone
> >>>>> with actual artist talent/experience (or at least photoshop ability).
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thoughts?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Sat, Mar 7, 2020, 1:08 PM Matthias J. Sax <mj...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> >>>>>
> > Boyang,
> >
> > thanks for starting this discussion. I like the idea in general
> > however we need to be a little careful IMHO -- as you mentioned Kafka
> > is one project and thus we should avoid the impression that Kafka
> > Streams is not part of Apache Kafka.
> >
> > Besides this, many projects use animals that are often very adorable.
> > Maybe we could find a cute Streams related mascot? :)
> >
> > I would love to hear opinions especially from the PMC if having a logo
> > for Kafka Streams is a viable thing to do.
> >
> >
> > -Matthias
> >
> > On 3/3/20 1:01 AM, Patrik Kleindl wrote:
> >>>>>>>> Hi Boyang Great idea, that would help in some discussions. To
> throw
> >>>>>>>> in a first idea: https://imgur.com/a/UowXaMk best regards Patrik
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Mon, 2 Mar 2020 at 18:23, Boyang Chen
> >>>>>>>> <re...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Hey Apache Kafka committers and community folks,
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> over the years Kafka Streams has been widely adopted and tons of
> >>>>>>>>> blog posts and tech talks have been trying to introduce it to
> >>>>>>>>> people with need of stream processing. As it is part of Apache
> >>>>>>>>> Kafka project, there is always an awkward situation where Kafka
> >>>>>>>>> Streams could not be campaigned as a standalone streaming engine,
> >>>>>>>>> and makes people confused about its relation to Kafka.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> So, do we want to introduce a customized logo just for Streams?
> >>>>>>>>> The immediate benefit is when people are making technical
> >>>>>>>>> decisions, we could list Streams as a logo just like Flink and
> >>>>>>>>> Spark Streaming, instead of putting Kafka logo there as it is not
> >>>>>>>>> literally a legitimate comparison between processing framework
> >>>>>>>>> and messaging system. Should we do a KIP for this?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Boyang
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>
> >> --
> >> -- Guozhang
> >>
> >
>
>
Re: Add a customized logo for Kafka Streams
Posted by "Matthias J. Sax" <mj...@apache.org>.
I personally love it!
-Matthias
On 3/12/20 11:31 AM, Sophie Blee-Goldman wrote:
> How reasonable of it. Let's try this again:
> Streams Logo option 2
>
<https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1WoWn0kF3E7dbL1FGYT8_-bIeT2IjfYORAm6gg8Ils4k/edit?usp=sharing>
>
> On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 9:34 AM Guozhang Wang <wa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Sophie,
>>
>> I cannot find the attachment from your previous email --- in fact, ASF
>> mailing list usually blocks all attachments for security reasons. If you
>> can share a link to the image (google drawings etc) in your email that
>> would be great.
>>
>> Guozhang
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:02 PM Sophie Blee-Goldman <so...@confluent.io>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Just to throw another proposal out there and inspire some debate, here's
>>> a similar-but-different
>>> idea (inspired by John + some sketches I found on google):
>>>
>>> *~~ See attachment, inlined image is too large for the mailing list ~~*
>>>
>>> This one's definitely more fun, my only concern is that it doesn't
really
>>> scale well. At the lower end
>>> of sizes the otters will be pretty difficult to see; and I had to
stretch
>>> out the Kafka circles even at
>>> the larger end just to fit them through.
>>>
>>> But maybe with a cleaner drawing and some color it'll still look
good and
>>> be recognizable + distinct
>>> enough when small.
>>>
>>> Any thoughts? Any binding and/or non-binding votes?
>>>
>>> On Sun, Mar 8, 2020 at 1:00 AM Sophie Blee-Goldman <so...@confluent.io>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Seems the mailing list may have filtered the inlined prototype logo,
>>>> attaching it here instead
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Mar 7, 2020 at 11:54 PM Sophie Blee-Goldman
<so...@confluent.io>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Matthias makes a good point about being careful not to position
Streams
>>>>> as
>>>>> outside of Apache Kafka. One obvious thing we could do it just include
>>>>> the
>>>>> Kafka logo as-is in the Streams logo, somehow.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have some unqualified opinions on what that might look like:
>>>>> A good logo is simple and clean, so incorporating the Kafka logo as a
>>>>> minor
>>>>> detail within a more complicated image is probably not the best way to
>>>>> get
>>>>> the quick and easy comprehension/recognition that we're going for.
>>>>>
>>>>> That said I'd throw out the idea of just attaching something to the
>>>>> Kafka logo,
>>>>> perhaps a stream-dwelling animal, perhaps a (river) otter? It could be
>>>>> "swimming" left of the Kafka logo, with its head touching the upper
>>>>> circle and
>>>>> its tail touching the bottom one. Like Streams, it starts with Kafka
>>>>> and ends
>>>>> with Kafka (ie reading input topics and writing to output topics).
>>>>>
>>>>> Without further ado, here's my very rough prototype for the Kafka
>>>>> Streams logo:
>>>>>
>>>>> [image: image.png]
>>>>> Obviously the real thing would be colored and presumably done by
someone
>>>>> with actual artist talent/experience (or at least photoshop ability).
>>>>>
>>>>> Thoughts?
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Mar 7, 2020, 1:08 PM Matthias J. Sax <mj...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>
> Boyang,
>
> thanks for starting this discussion. I like the idea in general
> however we need to be a little careful IMHO -- as you mentioned Kafka
> is one project and thus we should avoid the impression that Kafka
> Streams is not part of Apache Kafka.
>
> Besides this, many projects use animals that are often very adorable.
> Maybe we could find a cute Streams related mascot? :)
>
> I would love to hear opinions especially from the PMC if having a logo
> for Kafka Streams is a viable thing to do.
>
>
> -Matthias
>
> On 3/3/20 1:01 AM, Patrik Kleindl wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hi Boyang Great idea, that would help in some discussions. To throw
>>>>>>>> in a first idea: https://imgur.com/a/UowXaMk best regards Patrik
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, 2 Mar 2020 at 18:23, Boyang Chen
>>>>>>>> <re...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hey Apache Kafka committers and community folks,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> over the years Kafka Streams has been widely adopted and tons of
>>>>>>>>> blog posts and tech talks have been trying to introduce it to
>>>>>>>>> people with need of stream processing. As it is part of Apache
>>>>>>>>> Kafka project, there is always an awkward situation where Kafka
>>>>>>>>> Streams could not be campaigned as a standalone streaming engine,
>>>>>>>>> and makes people confused about its relation to Kafka.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So, do we want to introduce a customized logo just for Streams?
>>>>>>>>> The immediate benefit is when people are making technical
>>>>>>>>> decisions, we could list Streams as a logo just like Flink and
>>>>>>>>> Spark Streaming, instead of putting Kafka logo there as it is not
>>>>>>>>> literally a legitimate comparison between processing framework
>>>>>>>>> and messaging system. Should we do a KIP for this?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Boyang
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>
>> --
>> -- Guozhang
>>
>
Re: Add a customized logo for Kafka Streams
Posted by Sophie Blee-Goldman <so...@confluent.io>.
How reasonable of it. Let's try this again:
Streams Logo option 2
<https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1WoWn0kF3E7dbL1FGYT8_-bIeT2IjfYORAm6gg8Ils4k/edit?usp=sharing>
On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 9:34 AM Guozhang Wang <wa...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Sophie,
>
> I cannot find the attachment from your previous email --- in fact, ASF
> mailing list usually blocks all attachments for security reasons. If you
> can share a link to the image (google drawings etc) in your email that
> would be great.
>
> Guozhang
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:02 PM Sophie Blee-Goldman <so...@confluent.io>
> wrote:
>
>> Just to throw another proposal out there and inspire some debate, here's
>> a similar-but-different
>> idea (inspired by John + some sketches I found on google):
>>
>> *~~ See attachment, inlined image is too large for the mailing list ~~*
>>
>> This one's definitely more fun, my only concern is that it doesn't really
>> scale well. At the lower end
>> of sizes the otters will be pretty difficult to see; and I had to stretch
>> out the Kafka circles even at
>> the larger end just to fit them through.
>>
>> But maybe with a cleaner drawing and some color it'll still look good and
>> be recognizable + distinct
>> enough when small.
>>
>> Any thoughts? Any binding and/or non-binding votes?
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 8, 2020 at 1:00 AM Sophie Blee-Goldman <so...@confluent.io>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Seems the mailing list may have filtered the inlined prototype logo,
>>> attaching it here instead
>>>
>>> On Sat, Mar 7, 2020 at 11:54 PM Sophie Blee-Goldman <so...@confluent.io>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Matthias makes a good point about being careful not to position Streams
>>>> as
>>>> outside of Apache Kafka. One obvious thing we could do it just include
>>>> the
>>>> Kafka logo as-is in the Streams logo, somehow.
>>>>
>>>> I have some unqualified opinions on what that might look like:
>>>> A good logo is simple and clean, so incorporating the Kafka logo as a
>>>> minor
>>>> detail within a more complicated image is probably not the best way to
>>>> get
>>>> the quick and easy comprehension/recognition that we're going for.
>>>>
>>>> That said I'd throw out the idea of just attaching something to the
>>>> Kafka logo,
>>>> perhaps a stream-dwelling animal, perhaps a (river) otter? It could be
>>>> "swimming" left of the Kafka logo, with its head touching the upper
>>>> circle and
>>>> its tail touching the bottom one. Like Streams, it starts with Kafka
>>>> and ends
>>>> with Kafka (ie reading input topics and writing to output topics).
>>>>
>>>> Without further ado, here's my very rough prototype for the Kafka
>>>> Streams logo:
>>>>
>>>> [image: image.png]
>>>> Obviously the real thing would be colored and presumably done by someone
>>>> with actual artist talent/experience (or at least photoshop ability).
>>>>
>>>> Thoughts?
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Mar 7, 2020, 1:08 PM Matthias J. Sax <mj...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>>>>> Hash: SHA512
>>>>>
>>>>> Boyang,
>>>>>
>>>>> thanks for starting this discussion. I like the idea in general
>>>>> however we need to be a little careful IMHO -- as you mentioned Kafka
>>>>> is one project and thus we should avoid the impression that Kafka
>>>>> Streams is not part of Apache Kafka.
>>>>>
>>>>> Besides this, many projects use animals that are often very adorable.
>>>>> Maybe we could find a cute Streams related mascot? :)
>>>>>
>>>>> I would love to hear opinions especially from the PMC if having a logo
>>>>> for Kafka Streams is a viable thing to do.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> - -Matthias
>>>>>
>>>>> On 3/3/20 1:01 AM, Patrik Kleindl wrote:
>>>>> > Hi Boyang Great idea, that would help in some discussions. To throw
>>>>> > in a first idea: https://imgur.com/a/UowXaMk best regards Patrik
>>>>> >
>>>>> > On Mon, 2 Mar 2020 at 18:23, Boyang Chen
>>>>> > <re...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> >> Hey Apache Kafka committers and community folks,
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> over the years Kafka Streams has been widely adopted and tons of
>>>>> >> blog posts and tech talks have been trying to introduce it to
>>>>> >> people with need of stream processing. As it is part of Apache
>>>>> >> Kafka project, there is always an awkward situation where Kafka
>>>>> >> Streams could not be campaigned as a standalone streaming engine,
>>>>> >> and makes people confused about its relation to Kafka.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> So, do we want to introduce a customized logo just for Streams?
>>>>> >> The immediate benefit is when people are making technical
>>>>> >> decisions, we could list Streams as a logo just like Flink and
>>>>> >> Spark Streaming, instead of putting Kafka logo there as it is not
>>>>> >> literally a legitimate comparison between processing framework
>>>>> >> and messaging system. Should we do a KIP for this?
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Boyang
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >
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>>>>>
>>>>
>
> --
> -- Guozhang
>
Re: Add a customized logo for Kafka Streams
Posted by Guozhang Wang <wa...@gmail.com>.
Hi Sophie,
I cannot find the attachment from your previous email --- in fact, ASF
mailing list usually blocks all attachments for security reasons. If you
can share a link to the image (google drawings etc) in your email that
would be great.
Guozhang
On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:02 PM Sophie Blee-Goldman <so...@confluent.io>
wrote:
> Just to throw another proposal out there and inspire some debate, here's a
> similar-but-different
> idea (inspired by John + some sketches I found on google):
>
> *~~ See attachment, inlined image is too large for the mailing list ~~*
>
> This one's definitely more fun, my only concern is that it doesn't really
> scale well. At the lower end
> of sizes the otters will be pretty difficult to see; and I had to stretch
> out the Kafka circles even at
> the larger end just to fit them through.
>
> But maybe with a cleaner drawing and some color it'll still look good and
> be recognizable + distinct
> enough when small.
>
> Any thoughts? Any binding and/or non-binding votes?
>
> On Sun, Mar 8, 2020 at 1:00 AM Sophie Blee-Goldman <so...@confluent.io>
> wrote:
>
>> Seems the mailing list may have filtered the inlined prototype logo,
>> attaching it here instead
>>
>> On Sat, Mar 7, 2020 at 11:54 PM Sophie Blee-Goldman <so...@confluent.io>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Matthias makes a good point about being careful not to position Streams
>>> as
>>> outside of Apache Kafka. One obvious thing we could do it just include
>>> the
>>> Kafka logo as-is in the Streams logo, somehow.
>>>
>>> I have some unqualified opinions on what that might look like:
>>> A good logo is simple and clean, so incorporating the Kafka logo as a
>>> minor
>>> detail within a more complicated image is probably not the best way to
>>> get
>>> the quick and easy comprehension/recognition that we're going for.
>>>
>>> That said I'd throw out the idea of just attaching something to the
>>> Kafka logo,
>>> perhaps a stream-dwelling animal, perhaps a (river) otter? It could be
>>> "swimming" left of the Kafka logo, with its head touching the upper
>>> circle and
>>> its tail touching the bottom one. Like Streams, it starts with Kafka and
>>> ends
>>> with Kafka (ie reading input topics and writing to output topics).
>>>
>>> Without further ado, here's my very rough prototype for the Kafka
>>> Streams logo:
>>>
>>> [image: image.png]
>>> Obviously the real thing would be colored and presumably done by someone
>>> with actual artist talent/experience (or at least photoshop ability).
>>>
>>> Thoughts?
>>>
>>> On Sat, Mar 7, 2020, 1:08 PM Matthias J. Sax <mj...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>>>> Hash: SHA512
>>>>
>>>> Boyang,
>>>>
>>>> thanks for starting this discussion. I like the idea in general
>>>> however we need to be a little careful IMHO -- as you mentioned Kafka
>>>> is one project and thus we should avoid the impression that Kafka
>>>> Streams is not part of Apache Kafka.
>>>>
>>>> Besides this, many projects use animals that are often very adorable.
>>>> Maybe we could find a cute Streams related mascot? :)
>>>>
>>>> I would love to hear opinions especially from the PMC if having a logo
>>>> for Kafka Streams is a viable thing to do.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> - -Matthias
>>>>
>>>> On 3/3/20 1:01 AM, Patrik Kleindl wrote:
>>>> > Hi Boyang Great idea, that would help in some discussions. To throw
>>>> > in a first idea: https://imgur.com/a/UowXaMk best regards Patrik
>>>> >
>>>> > On Mon, 2 Mar 2020 at 18:23, Boyang Chen
>>>> > <re...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> Hey Apache Kafka committers and community folks,
>>>> >>
>>>> >> over the years Kafka Streams has been widely adopted and tons of
>>>> >> blog posts and tech talks have been trying to introduce it to
>>>> >> people with need of stream processing. As it is part of Apache
>>>> >> Kafka project, there is always an awkward situation where Kafka
>>>> >> Streams could not be campaigned as a standalone streaming engine,
>>>> >> and makes people confused about its relation to Kafka.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> So, do we want to introduce a customized logo just for Streams?
>>>> >> The immediate benefit is when people are making technical
>>>> >> decisions, we could list Streams as a logo just like Flink and
>>>> >> Spark Streaming, instead of putting Kafka logo there as it is not
>>>> >> literally a legitimate comparison between processing framework
>>>> >> and messaging system. Should we do a KIP for this?
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Boyang
>>>> >>
>>>> >
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>>>>
>>>
--
-- Guozhang
Re: Add a customized logo for Kafka Streams
Posted by Sophie Blee-Goldman <so...@confluent.io>.
Just to throw another proposal out there and inspire some debate, here's a
similar-but-different
idea (inspired by John + some sketches I found on google):
*~~ See attachment, inlined image is too large for the mailing list ~~*
This one's definitely more fun, my only concern is that it doesn't really
scale well. At the lower end
of sizes the otters will be pretty difficult to see; and I had to stretch
out the Kafka circles even at
the larger end just to fit them through.
But maybe with a cleaner drawing and some color it'll still look good and
be recognizable + distinct
enough when small.
Any thoughts? Any binding and/or non-binding votes?
On Sun, Mar 8, 2020 at 1:00 AM Sophie Blee-Goldman <so...@confluent.io>
wrote:
> Seems the mailing list may have filtered the inlined prototype logo,
> attaching it here instead
>
> On Sat, Mar 7, 2020 at 11:54 PM Sophie Blee-Goldman <so...@confluent.io>
> wrote:
>
>> Matthias makes a good point about being careful not to position Streams as
>> outside of Apache Kafka. One obvious thing we could do it just include
>> the
>> Kafka logo as-is in the Streams logo, somehow.
>>
>> I have some unqualified opinions on what that might look like:
>> A good logo is simple and clean, so incorporating the Kafka logo as a
>> minor
>> detail within a more complicated image is probably not the best way to get
>> the quick and easy comprehension/recognition that we're going for.
>>
>> That said I'd throw out the idea of just attaching something to the Kafka
>> logo,
>> perhaps a stream-dwelling animal, perhaps a (river) otter? It could be
>> "swimming" left of the Kafka logo, with its head touching the upper
>> circle and
>> its tail touching the bottom one. Like Streams, it starts with Kafka and
>> ends
>> with Kafka (ie reading input topics and writing to output topics).
>>
>> Without further ado, here's my very rough prototype for the Kafka Streams
>> logo:
>>
>> [image: image.png]
>> Obviously the real thing would be colored and presumably done by someone
>> with actual artist talent/experience (or at least photoshop ability).
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>> On Sat, Mar 7, 2020, 1:08 PM Matthias J. Sax <mj...@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>>> Hash: SHA512
>>>
>>> Boyang,
>>>
>>> thanks for starting this discussion. I like the idea in general
>>> however we need to be a little careful IMHO -- as you mentioned Kafka
>>> is one project and thus we should avoid the impression that Kafka
>>> Streams is not part of Apache Kafka.
>>>
>>> Besides this, many projects use animals that are often very adorable.
>>> Maybe we could find a cute Streams related mascot? :)
>>>
>>> I would love to hear opinions especially from the PMC if having a logo
>>> for Kafka Streams is a viable thing to do.
>>>
>>>
>>> - -Matthias
>>>
>>> On 3/3/20 1:01 AM, Patrik Kleindl wrote:
>>> > Hi Boyang Great idea, that would help in some discussions. To throw
>>> > in a first idea: https://imgur.com/a/UowXaMk best regards Patrik
>>> >
>>> > On Mon, 2 Mar 2020 at 18:23, Boyang Chen
>>> > <re...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> Hey Apache Kafka committers and community folks,
>>> >>
>>> >> over the years Kafka Streams has been widely adopted and tons of
>>> >> blog posts and tech talks have been trying to introduce it to
>>> >> people with need of stream processing. As it is part of Apache
>>> >> Kafka project, there is always an awkward situation where Kafka
>>> >> Streams could not be campaigned as a standalone streaming engine,
>>> >> and makes people confused about its relation to Kafka.
>>> >>
>>> >> So, do we want to introduce a customized logo just for Streams?
>>> >> The immediate benefit is when people are making technical
>>> >> decisions, we could list Streams as a logo just like Flink and
>>> >> Spark Streaming, instead of putting Kafka logo there as it is not
>>> >> literally a legitimate comparison between processing framework
>>> >> and messaging system. Should we do a KIP for this?
>>> >>
>>> >> Boyang
>>> >>
>>> >
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>>>
>>
Re: Add a customized logo for Kafka Streams
Posted by Sophie Blee-Goldman <so...@confluent.io>.
Seems the mailing list may have filtered the inlined prototype logo,
attaching it here instead
On Sat, Mar 7, 2020 at 11:54 PM Sophie Blee-Goldman <so...@confluent.io>
wrote:
> Matthias makes a good point about being careful not to position Streams as
> outside of Apache Kafka. One obvious thing we could do it just include the
> Kafka logo as-is in the Streams logo, somehow.
>
> I have some unqualified opinions on what that might look like:
> A good logo is simple and clean, so incorporating the Kafka logo as a minor
> detail within a more complicated image is probably not the best way to get
> the quick and easy comprehension/recognition that we're going for.
>
> That said I'd throw out the idea of just attaching something to the Kafka
> logo,
> perhaps a stream-dwelling animal, perhaps a (river) otter? It could be
> "swimming" left of the Kafka logo, with its head touching the upper circle
> and
> its tail touching the bottom one. Like Streams, it starts with Kafka and
> ends
> with Kafka (ie reading input topics and writing to output topics).
>
> Without further ado, here's my very rough prototype for the Kafka Streams
> logo:
>
> [image: image.png]
> Obviously the real thing would be colored and presumably done by someone
> with actual artist talent/experience (or at least photoshop ability).
>
> Thoughts?
>
> On Sat, Mar 7, 2020, 1:08 PM Matthias J. Sax <mj...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>> Hash: SHA512
>>
>> Boyang,
>>
>> thanks for starting this discussion. I like the idea in general
>> however we need to be a little careful IMHO -- as you mentioned Kafka
>> is one project and thus we should avoid the impression that Kafka
>> Streams is not part of Apache Kafka.
>>
>> Besides this, many projects use animals that are often very adorable.
>> Maybe we could find a cute Streams related mascot? :)
>>
>> I would love to hear opinions especially from the PMC if having a logo
>> for Kafka Streams is a viable thing to do.
>>
>>
>> - -Matthias
>>
>> On 3/3/20 1:01 AM, Patrik Kleindl wrote:
>> > Hi Boyang Great idea, that would help in some discussions. To throw
>> > in a first idea: https://imgur.com/a/UowXaMk best regards Patrik
>> >
>> > On Mon, 2 Mar 2020 at 18:23, Boyang Chen
>> > <re...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Hey Apache Kafka committers and community folks,
>> >>
>> >> over the years Kafka Streams has been widely adopted and tons of
>> >> blog posts and tech talks have been trying to introduce it to
>> >> people with need of stream processing. As it is part of Apache
>> >> Kafka project, there is always an awkward situation where Kafka
>> >> Streams could not be campaigned as a standalone streaming engine,
>> >> and makes people confused about its relation to Kafka.
>> >>
>> >> So, do we want to introduce a customized logo just for Streams?
>> >> The immediate benefit is when people are making technical
>> >> decisions, we could list Streams as a logo just like Flink and
>> >> Spark Streaming, instead of putting Kafka logo there as it is not
>> >> literally a legitimate comparison between processing framework
>> >> and messaging system. Should we do a KIP for this?
>> >>
>> >> Boyang
>> >>
>> >
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>> -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
>>
>
Re: Add a customized logo for Kafka Streams
Posted by Sophie Blee-Goldman <so...@confluent.io>.
Matthias makes a good point about being careful not to position Streams as
outside of Apache Kafka. One obvious thing we could do it just include the
Kafka logo as-is in the Streams logo, somehow.
I have some unqualified opinions on what that might look like:
A good logo is simple and clean, so incorporating the Kafka logo as a minor
detail within a more complicated image is probably not the best way to get
the quick and easy comprehension/recognition that we're going for.
That said I'd throw out the idea of just attaching something to the Kafka
logo,
perhaps a stream-dwelling animal, perhaps a (river) otter? It could be
"swimming" left of the Kafka logo, with its head touching the upper circle
and
its tail touching the bottom one. Like Streams, it starts with Kafka and
ends
with Kafka (ie reading input topics and writing to output topics).
Without further ado, here's my very rough prototype for the Kafka Streams
logo:
[image: image.png]
Obviously the real thing would be colored and presumably done by someone
with actual artist talent/experience (or at least photoshop ability).
Thoughts?
On Sat, Mar 7, 2020, 1:08 PM Matthias J. Sax <mj...@apache.org> wrote:
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA512
>
> Boyang,
>
> thanks for starting this discussion. I like the idea in general
> however we need to be a little careful IMHO -- as you mentioned Kafka
> is one project and thus we should avoid the impression that Kafka
> Streams is not part of Apache Kafka.
>
> Besides this, many projects use animals that are often very adorable.
> Maybe we could find a cute Streams related mascot? :)
>
> I would love to hear opinions especially from the PMC if having a logo
> for Kafka Streams is a viable thing to do.
>
>
> - -Matthias
>
> On 3/3/20 1:01 AM, Patrik Kleindl wrote:
> > Hi Boyang Great idea, that would help in some discussions. To throw
> > in a first idea: https://imgur.com/a/UowXaMk best regards Patrik
> >
> > On Mon, 2 Mar 2020 at 18:23, Boyang Chen
> > <re...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Hey Apache Kafka committers and community folks,
> >>
> >> over the years Kafka Streams has been widely adopted and tons of
> >> blog posts and tech talks have been trying to introduce it to
> >> people with need of stream processing. As it is part of Apache
> >> Kafka project, there is always an awkward situation where Kafka
> >> Streams could not be campaigned as a standalone streaming engine,
> >> and makes people confused about its relation to Kafka.
> >>
> >> So, do we want to introduce a customized logo just for Streams?
> >> The immediate benefit is when people are making technical
> >> decisions, we could list Streams as a logo just like Flink and
> >> Spark Streaming, instead of putting Kafka logo there as it is not
> >> literally a legitimate comparison between processing framework
> >> and messaging system. Should we do a KIP for this?
> >>
> >> Boyang
> >>
> >
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Re: Add a customized logo for Kafka Streams
Posted by "Matthias J. Sax" <mj...@apache.org>.
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Boyang,
thanks for starting this discussion. I like the idea in general
however we need to be a little careful IMHO -- as you mentioned Kafka
is one project and thus we should avoid the impression that Kafka
Streams is not part of Apache Kafka.
Besides this, many projects use animals that are often very adorable.
Maybe we could find a cute Streams related mascot? :)
I would love to hear opinions especially from the PMC if having a logo
for Kafka Streams is a viable thing to do.
- -Matthias
On 3/3/20 1:01 AM, Patrik Kleindl wrote:
> Hi Boyang Great idea, that would help in some discussions. To throw
> in a first idea: https://imgur.com/a/UowXaMk best regards Patrik
>
> On Mon, 2 Mar 2020 at 18:23, Boyang Chen
> <re...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hey Apache Kafka committers and community folks,
>>
>> over the years Kafka Streams has been widely adopted and tons of
>> blog posts and tech talks have been trying to introduce it to
>> people with need of stream processing. As it is part of Apache
>> Kafka project, there is always an awkward situation where Kafka
>> Streams could not be campaigned as a standalone streaming engine,
>> and makes people confused about its relation to Kafka.
>>
>> So, do we want to introduce a customized logo just for Streams?
>> The immediate benefit is when people are making technical
>> decisions, we could list Streams as a logo just like Flink and
>> Spark Streaming, instead of putting Kafka logo there as it is not
>> literally a legitimate comparison between processing framework
>> and messaging system. Should we do a KIP for this?
>>
>> Boyang
>>
>
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Re: Add a customized logo for Kafka Streams
Posted by Patrik Kleindl <pk...@gmail.com>.
Hi Boyang
Great idea, that would help in some discussions.
To throw in a first idea: https://imgur.com/a/UowXaMk
best regards
Patrik
On Mon, 2 Mar 2020 at 18:23, Boyang Chen <re...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hey Apache Kafka committers and community folks,
>
> over the years Kafka Streams has been widely adopted and tons of blog posts
> and tech talks have been trying to introduce it to people with need of
> stream processing. As it is part of Apache Kafka project, there is always
> an awkward situation where Kafka Streams could not be campaigned as a
> standalone streaming engine, and makes people confused about its relation
> to Kafka.
>
> So, do we want to introduce a customized logo just for Streams? The
> immediate benefit is when people are making technical decisions, we could
> list Streams as a logo just like Flink and Spark Streaming, instead of
> putting Kafka logo there as it is not literally a legitimate comparison
> between processing framework and messaging system. Should we do a KIP for
> this?
>
> Boyang
>