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[NOTE] Cocoon Consultant
I just posted to the user group an add for my services titled
"Cocoon Consultant." I realized I am not as intimately
familiar with the platform as many of you are, but I have been
around the block a few times with Cocoon.
IMHO, Cocoon has a training and credibility gap with the greater
software community that is holding back its' wide-spread usage:
see numerous user group flames. While independent consultants
are not the answers to all the problems, perhaps they/I can
hand-hold the more timid and less savvy generation of users into
the fold. Often solving a difficult problem from perusing
a variety of documentation sites and trying to ask the question
you don't really know is very formidable, frustrating, and
not for the faint of heart.
Just wanted to state what I was up to.
Steven P. Punte
Candlelight Software
By Candlelight If Necessary!
stevep@candlelightsoftware.com
http://www.candlelightsoftware.com
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Re: [NOTE] Cocoon Consultant
Posted by Michael Melhem <mi...@fztig938.bank.dresdner.net>.
On Wed, Feb 05, 2003 at 09:03:16PM +1100, Tony Culshaw wrote:
> Great Idea.
>
> There are 7 "experts" I know of in Sydney Australia.
Geeez, many companies using Cocoon in Sydney?
Michael.
>
> YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE!!
>
>
> >
> > The Cocoon webpage has a Links section of;
> > * Cocoon Links
> > * Live Sites
> > * Cocoon Hosting
> >
> > Couldn't we add "3rd Party Services" and/or "3rd Party Products" to
> > that?
> >
> > It would perhaps show "interested, but not convinced" parties that there
> > are help to any extent available if they need it...
> >
> >
> > Niclas
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tuesday 04 February 2003 11:56, Steven Punte wrote:
> >> I just posted to the user group an add for my services titled
> >> "Cocoon Consultant." I realized I am not as intimately
> >> familiar with the platform as many of you are, but I have been
> >> around the block a few times with Cocoon.
> >>
> >> IMHO, Cocoon has a training and credibility gap with the greater
> >> software community that is holding back its' wide-spread usage: see
> >> numerous user group flames. While independent consultants
> >> are not the answers to all the problems, perhaps they/I can
> >> hand-hold the more timid and less savvy generation of users into the
> >> fold. Often solving a difficult problem from perusing
> >> a variety of documentation sites and trying to ask the question you
> >> don't really know is very formidable, frustrating, and
> >> not for the faint of heart.
> >>
> >> Just wanted to state what I was up to.
> >>
> >>
> >> Steven P. Punte
> >> Candlelight Software
> >> By Candlelight If Necessary!
> >> stevep@candlelightsoftware.com
> >> http://www.candlelightsoftware.com
> >>
> >>
> >>
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Re: [NOTE] Cocoon Consultant
Posted by Christian Haul <ha...@dvs1.informatik.tu-darmstadt.de>.
On 05.Feb.2003 -- 02:44 PM, Steven Noels wrote:
> Jeff Turner wrote:
>
> >Forget Belgium, let's have a Cocoon GetTogether right here :) On a beach
> >somewhere..
> >
> >http://cvs.apache.org/~jefft/tmp/summer.jpg
>
> note_to_self():
> throw(BeachParty at next GetTogether)
+Long.MAX_VALUE
dB-D
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Re: [NOTE] Cocoon Consultant
Posted by Steven Noels <st...@outerthought.org>.
Jeff Turner wrote:
> Forget Belgium, let's have a Cocoon GetTogether right here :) On a beach
> somewhere..
>
> http://cvs.apache.org/~jefft/tmp/summer.jpg
note_to_self():
throw(BeachParty at next GetTogether)
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Cocoon Meeting was "[NOTE] Cocoon Consultant"
Posted by Niclas Hedhman <ni...@hedhman.org>.
On Wednesday 05 February 2003 21:45, Konstantin Piroumian wrote:
> +100 for a tropic country!
> (average temperature -20? last weeks here)
>
> But I have a friend in Canada who told me that it was -40C there in
> Monreal, so it seems that Moscow is not that bad ;)
If there is any interest, I think can organize a Cocoon/Apache meeting in
Malaysia;
* 3 days Cocoon/Apache conference in Kuala Lumpur
* 4 days living on a tropical small island (think Survivor Premier) and deep
sea fishing for marlin, sharks, spanish mackerel, dorados and more... Scuba
diving available for licensed divers as alternative, at the same location.
See some photos; http://niclas.hedhman.org/niclas/
With;
* Always +32 degrees Celsius daytime, +25 at night.
* Wonderful, hot & spicy food (mild also available)
* Bustling city life, world tallest buildings, shopper's paradise and an
all-week nightlife.
* Affordable prices. Reasonably nice hotels starting at USD30 per night, 5
star hotels at <USD100. Bring your life partner, room price the same.
I think it is possible to leave Europe/USA on Friday, arrive back on the
following Sunday.
An off-my-head budget for such package would come to somewhere around
air-ticket + ~USD500 per person (shopping not included).
Anyone interested?
Niclas
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Re: [NOTE] Cocoon Consultant
Posted by Konstantin Piroumian <kp...@apache.org>.
From: "Antonio Gallardo" <ag...@agsoftware.dnsalias.com>
> Stefano Mazzocchi dijo:
> > Jeff Turner wrote:
> >> On Wed, Feb 05, 2003 at 09:03:16PM +1100, Tony Culshaw wrote:
> >>
> >>>Great Idea.
> >>>
> >>>There are 7 "experts" I know of in Sydney Australia.
> >>>
> >>>YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE!!
> >>
> >>
> >> Wow, are there?
> >>
> >> Forget Belgium, let's have a Cocoon GetTogether right here :) On a
> >> beach somewhere..
> >>
> >> http://cvs.apache.org/~jefft/tmp/summer.jpg
> That was cruel! lol :-) What about a exotic country like Nicaragua. I can
> have arrange a meeting in a beach hotel. :-) Maybe this is a crazy idea,
> but in the tropic the sun really shine. :-D
+100 for a tropic country!
(average temperature -20? last weeks here)
But I have a friend in Canada who told me that it was -40C there in Monreal,
so it seems that Moscow is not that bad ;)
-- Konstantin
>
> Antonio Gallardo
> >
> > ROTFL :)
> >
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> > Stefano Mazzocchi <st...@apache.org>
> > Pluralitas non est ponenda sine neccesitate [William of Ockham]
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Re: [NOTE] Cocoon Consultant
Posted by Antonio Gallardo <ag...@agsoftware.dnsalias.com>.
Stefano Mazzocchi dijo:
> Jeff Turner wrote:
>> On Wed, Feb 05, 2003 at 09:03:16PM +1100, Tony Culshaw wrote:
>>
>>>Great Idea.
>>>
>>>There are 7 "experts" I know of in Sydney Australia.
>>>
>>>YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE!!
>>
>>
>> Wow, are there?
>>
>> Forget Belgium, let's have a Cocoon GetTogether right here :) On a
>> beach somewhere..
>>
>> http://cvs.apache.org/~jefft/tmp/summer.jpg
That was cruel! lol :-) What about a exotic country like Nicaragua. I can
have arrange a meeting in a beach hotel. :-) Maybe this is a crazy idea,
but in the tropic the sun really shine. :-D
Antonio Gallardo
>
> ROTFL :)
>
> --
> Stefano Mazzocchi <st...@apache.org>
> Pluralitas non est ponenda sine neccesitate [William of Ockham]
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Re: [NOTE] Cocoon Consultant
Posted by Stefano Mazzocchi <st...@apache.org>.
Jeff Turner wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 05, 2003 at 09:03:16PM +1100, Tony Culshaw wrote:
>
>>Great Idea.
>>
>>There are 7 "experts" I know of in Sydney Australia.
>>
>>YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE!!
>
>
> Wow, are there?
>
> Forget Belgium, let's have a Cocoon GetTogether right here :) On a beach
> somewhere..
>
> http://cvs.apache.org/~jefft/tmp/summer.jpg
ROTFL :)
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Re: [NOTE] Cocoon Consultant
Posted by Jeff Turner <je...@apache.org>.
On Wed, Feb 05, 2003 at 09:03:16PM +1100, Tony Culshaw wrote:
> Great Idea.
>
> There are 7 "experts" I know of in Sydney Australia.
>
> YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE!!
Wow, are there?
Forget Belgium, let's have a Cocoon GetTogether right here :) On a beach
somewhere..
http://cvs.apache.org/~jefft/tmp/summer.jpg
> > The Cocoon webpage has a Links section of;
> > * Cocoon Links
> > * Live Sites
> > * Cocoon Hosting
> >
> > Couldn't we add "3rd Party Services" and/or "3rd Party Products" to
> > that?
+1
--Jeff
> > It would perhaps show "interested, but not convinced" parties that there
> > are help to any extent available if they need it...
> >
> >
> > Niclas
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Re: [NOTE] Cocoon Consultant
Posted by Tony Culshaw <to...@cultech.com.au>.
Great Idea.
There are 7 "experts" I know of in Sydney Australia.
YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE!!
>
> The Cocoon webpage has a Links section of;
> * Cocoon Links
> * Live Sites
> * Cocoon Hosting
>
> Couldn't we add "3rd Party Services" and/or "3rd Party Products" to
> that?
>
> It would perhaps show "interested, but not convinced" parties that there
> are help to any extent available if they need it...
>
>
> Niclas
>
>
>
> On Tuesday 04 February 2003 11:56, Steven Punte wrote:
>> I just posted to the user group an add for my services titled
>> "Cocoon Consultant." I realized I am not as intimately
>> familiar with the platform as many of you are, but I have been
>> around the block a few times with Cocoon.
>>
>> IMHO, Cocoon has a training and credibility gap with the greater
>> software community that is holding back its' wide-spread usage: see
>> numerous user group flames. While independent consultants
>> are not the answers to all the problems, perhaps they/I can
>> hand-hold the more timid and less savvy generation of users into the
>> fold. Often solving a difficult problem from perusing
>> a variety of documentation sites and trying to ask the question you
>> don't really know is very formidable, frustrating, and
>> not for the faint of heart.
>>
>> Just wanted to state what I was up to.
>>
>>
>> Steven P. Punte
>> Candlelight Software
>> By Candlelight If Necessary!
>> stevep@candlelightsoftware.com
>> http://www.candlelightsoftware.com
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [NOTE] Cocoon Consultant
Posted by Niclas Hedhman <ni...@hedhman.org>.
The Cocoon webpage has a Links section of;
* Cocoon Links
* Live Sites
* Cocoon Hosting
Couldn't we add "3rd Party Services" and/or "3rd Party Products" to that?
It would perhaps show "interested, but not convinced" parties that there are
help to any extent available if they need it...
Niclas
On Tuesday 04 February 2003 11:56, Steven Punte wrote:
> I just posted to the user group an add for my services titled
> "Cocoon Consultant." I realized I am not as intimately
> familiar with the platform as many of you are, but I have been
> around the block a few times with Cocoon.
>
> IMHO, Cocoon has a training and credibility gap with the greater
> software community that is holding back its' wide-spread usage:
> see numerous user group flames. While independent consultants
> are not the answers to all the problems, perhaps they/I can
> hand-hold the more timid and less savvy generation of users into
> the fold. Often solving a difficult problem from perusing
> a variety of documentation sites and trying to ask the question
> you don't really know is very formidable, frustrating, and
> not for the faint of heart.
>
> Just wanted to state what I was up to.
>
>
> Steven P. Punte
> Candlelight Software
> By Candlelight If Necessary!
> stevep@candlelightsoftware.com
> http://www.candlelightsoftware.com
>
>
>
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Re: [NOTE] Cocoon Consultant
Posted by Steven Punte <st...@yahoo.com>.
The "need" isn't really for the high end caliber services. Rather it just seems to be more the "help, I'm stuck and lost." Time will tell.
steve
Tony Collen <tc...@neuagency.com> wrote:Heh, yeah, I've thought of doing the same -- not necesarily announcing it
on the lists -- but when I think of calling myself a Cocoon "expert", then
I look at all the other people on the list, and then I'm immediately
humbled. :) It would be nice to build a small business out of working
exclusively with Cocoon, though.
All in good time, I hope.
Tony
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Re: [NOTE] Cocoon Consultant
Posted by Tony Collen <tc...@neuagency.com>.
On Mon, 3 Feb 2003, Steven Punte wrote:
> I just posted to the user group an add for my services titled
> "Cocoon Consultant." I realized I am not as intimately
> familiar with the platform as many of you are, but I have been
> around the block a few times with Cocoon.
Heh, yeah, I've thought of doing the same -- not necesarily announcing it
on the lists -- but when I think of calling myself a Cocoon "expert", then
I look at all the other people on the list, and then I'm immediately
humbled. :) It would be nice to build a small business out of working
exclusively with Cocoon, though.
All in good time, I hope.
Tony
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