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Posted to user@openmeetings.apache.org by Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com> on 2012/07/21 17:33:04 UTC
Re: Video quality on high resolution
Hello folks,
I've made some research on the peak bandwidth usage by opening two browser
windows.
640*480 1,2 MBit/s (the rate is still below 30 frames per second, setting
<bandwidthNeededNormal>0</bandwidthNeededNormal> improved things a bit)
432*240 0,8 MBit/s
120*90 0,2 MBit/s
Just want to share the method. I've opened two browser windows (that gives
us four streams) and measured traffi via performance manager.
--
With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
http://dataved.ru/
+7 916 562 8095
On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 9:58 PM, Sergey Kobzar <se...@itcraft.org>wrote:
> It seems this fixed the issue.
> I will check and confirm tomorrow.
>
> Thank you for this option, Stephen.
>
>
> On 04/25/12 17:11, Stephen Cottham wrote:
>
>> If you're running on a LAN and BW is not an issue have you tried setting
>> this
>>
>> <bandwidthNeededBest>0</**bandwidthNeededBest>
>>
>> In ..... /red5/webapps/openmeetings/**config.xml ?
>>
>> Worked well for us.
>>
>> Best Regards
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Stephen Cottham
>> Group IT Manager (Associate)
>>
>> Robert Bird Group
>> Level 5, 333 Ann St
>> Brisbane, Queensland, 4000, Australia
>> Phone: +6173 319 2777 (AUS)
>> Phone: +44207 592 8000 (UK)
>> Fax: +6173 319 2799
>>
>> Mobile: +61400 756 963 (AUS)
>> Mobile: +447900 918 616 (UK)
>> Web: www.robertbird.com
>>
>>
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Sergey Kobzar [mailto:sergey.kobzar@itcraft.**org<se...@itcraft.org>
>> ]
>> Sent: Wednesday, 25 April 2012 3:07 PM
>> To: openmeetings-user@incubator.**apache.org<op...@incubator.apache.org>
>> Subject: Re: Video quality on high resolution
>>
>> I just uninstalled previously installed codecs and left VP8. I see
>> improvements but quality is still not ideal...
>>
>> I;d want to know what I can do else + other options.
>>
>>
>> On 04/25/12 16:46, Alexei Fedotov wrote:
>>
>>> Sounds fantastic... That should require major code changes to switch
>>> codecs on.
>>>
>>> --
>>> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями, Alexei Fedotov / Алексей
>>> Федотов, http://dataved.ru/
>>> +7 916 562 8095
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 5:24 PM, Sergey Kobzar
>>> <se...@itcraft.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thank you for reply.
>>>>
>>>> I have installed VP8 codecs and they improved quality a little. But
>>>> it is still not ideal/expected.
>>>>
>>>> I assume, at the moment I have no other solutions, right? Can
>>>> SWF10/11 improve situation? When are you going switch to it?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 04/24/12 13:53, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> There is no way to specify other codec for OM.
>>>>> please search dev mailing list, there will be no other codecs until
>>>>> we switch to SWF10/11
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 17:49, Sergey
>>>>> Kobzar<sergey.kobzar@itcraft.**org <se...@itcraft.org><mailto:
>>>>> sergey.kobzar@**itcraft.org <se...@itcraft.org>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you.
>>>>>
>>>>> Do I need remove previously installed codecs or how can I tell
>>>>> OpenMeetings to use codec below?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 04/24/12 11:46, Alexei Fedotov wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/_**_VP8<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/__VP8>
>>>>>
>>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/**VP8<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VP8>
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 10:57 AM, Sergey Kobzar
>>>>>
>>>>> <se...@itcraft.org>
>>>>> >>
>>>>>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Alexei
>>>>>
>>>>> Could you give me links to Goole codecs or your flash
>>>>> please?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 04/24/12 09:50, Alexei Fedotov wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> That's known flash issue. As for now we don't have a
>>>>> workarond. Some
>>>>> possible options include upgrading flash (in our
>>>>> build)
>>>>> or migrating to
>>>>> google codecs
>>>>>
>>>>> 23.04.2012 22:05 пользователь "Sergey
>>>>> Kobzar"<sergey.kobzar@itcraft.**__org
>>>>> <ma...@itcraft.org>
>>>>> >
>>>>> <mailto:sergey.kobzar@itcraft.**__org
>>>>>
>>>>> <ma...@itcraft.org>>>>
>>>>> написал:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> WBR
>>>>> Maxim aka solomax
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
Re: Video quality on high resolution
Posted by "seba.wagner@gmail.com" <se...@gmail.com>.
And by the way: Following your link to the takedown notice does lead to a
website about illegal downloads of TV-Series that are done using rtmpdump.
What we do is not a tool to download random rtmp streams that could be used
for downloading TV-Series. So I don't see how you can build a claim based
on the article and takedown notice that would affect us or anyody else that
read or writes RTMP packets.
[I am still no lawyer though :)]
Sebastian
2012/7/22 seba.wagner@gmail.com <se...@gmail.com>
> Your article is from 2009, I think in the meantime things have changed.
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL-120 also is discussing RTMP
> license issues (although more discussing the specs AS-IS).
>
> However, writing the stream to discuss has nothing to do with the an RTMP
> specification document in fact.
> What you do is simple take the packets that you receive and write them to
> disc.
> I personally have never read the RTMP specs anyway, but I was able to grab
> the stream and write packets to disc.
>
> The issue about the RTMP spec from my point of view is more likely the
> following:
> The RTMP spec contained (or does still contain) portions that say: If you
> read this spec you agree on NOT doing this or that.
> That is why some linux developers working on Flash player clones always
> claim to "never read that spec" but rather understood it by just looking at
> the raw bytestream.
> Or for example the motivation of websites like that one:
> http://osflash.org/documentation/rtmp is to have a public, by reverse
> engineering produced specification that does NOT rely on reading Adobe docs.
>
> I am not a lawyer, but from my point of any specs really can't prevent
> that any user on any device that somehow "randomly" reads packets on his
> eth0 device or by using tools like Wireshark reads those packets and
> analysis what parts they consist of.
> What those RTMP specs say (and is seen criticial is) the part where Adobe
> claims: By *reading *the specs you agree on certain terms.
> However even the reading might be not so critical anymore since Adobe has
> applied some major changes on their position again Open Source.
>
> Sebastian
>
>
> 2012/7/22 Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com>
>
>> As for recordings, AFAIU, server side recording would have legal
>> problems, see [1]. I'm not a lawyer to say that for sure.
>>
>> [1]
>> http://linuxcentre.net/adobe-has-issued-a-dmca-removal-request-for-rtmpdump
>>
>> --
>> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
>> Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
>> http://dataved.ru/
>> +7 916 562 8095
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 2:45 PM, Alexei Fedotov <alexei.fedotov@gmail.com
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> Hello George,
>>>
>>> 1. I didn't record things, I've tested standard 1:1 videoconference
>>> setup.
>>> 2. I had maximum resolution of 1024x768. It seems the bandwidth is
>>> limited by 1,2 MBit/sec, probably by flash player. I got even lower frame
>>> rate, and bandwidth didn't grow.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
>>> Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
>>> http://dataved.ru/
>>> +7 916 562 8095
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 6:00 AM, George Kirkham <gk...@co2crc.com.au>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Alexei,****
>>>>
>>>> ** **
>>>>
>>>> What difference does it make if you are recording at 1920x1080 (the
>>>> current HD standard).****
>>>>
>>>> ** **
>>>>
>>>> I can see an advantage with server side recording as long as it does
>>>> not burden the server so that it cannot support the users. The ability to
>>>> record is not that important to me as to get "the ability for users to have
>>>> a meeting" working smoothly. The issue of managing different screen
>>>> resolutions is a challenge to me.****
>>>>
>>>> ** **
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,****
>>>>
>>>> ** **
>>>>
>>>> George Kirkham****
>>>>
>>>> ** **
>>>>
>>>> ** **
>>>>
>>>> ** **
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Alexei Fedotov [mailto:alexei.fedotov@gmail.com]
>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, 22 July 2012 1:33 AM
>>>>
>>>> *To:* openmeetings-user@incubator.apache.org
>>>> *Subject:* Re: Video quality on high resolution****
>>>>
>>>> ** **
>>>>
>>>> Hello folks,****
>>>>
>>>> ** **
>>>>
>>>> I've made some research on the peak bandwidth usage by opening two
>>>> browser windows.****
>>>>
>>>> 640*480 1,2 MBit/s (the rate is still below 30 frames per second,
>>>> setting <bandwidthNeededNormal>0</bandwidthNeededNormal> improved things a
>>>> bit)****
>>>>
>>>> ** **
>>>>
>>>> 432*240 0,8 MBit/s****
>>>>
>>>> ** **
>>>>
>>>> 120*90 0,2 MBit/s****
>>>>
>>>> ** **
>>>>
>>>> Just want to share the method. I've opened two browser windows (that
>>>> gives us four streams) and measured traffi via performance manager.****
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
>>>> Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
>>>> http://dataved.ru/
>>>> +7 916 562 8095
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ****
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 9:58 PM, Sergey Kobzar <
>>>> sergey.kobzar@itcraft.org> wrote:****
>>>>
>>>> It seems this fixed the issue.
>>>> I will check and confirm tomorrow.
>>>>
>>>> Thank you for this option, Stephen.****
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 04/25/12 17:11, Stephen Cottham wrote:****
>>>>
>>>> If you're running on a LAN and BW is not an issue have you tried
>>>> setting this
>>>>
>>>> <bandwidthNeededBest>0</bandwidthNeededBest>
>>>>
>>>> In ..... /red5/webapps/openmeetings/config.xml ?
>>>>
>>>> Worked well for us.
>>>>
>>>> Best Regards
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Stephen Cottham
>>>> Group IT Manager (Associate)
>>>>
>>>> Robert Bird Group
>>>> Level 5, 333 Ann St
>>>> Brisbane, Queensland, 4000, Australia
>>>> Phone: +6173 319 2777 (AUS)
>>>> Phone: +44207 592 8000 (UK)
>>>> Fax: +6173 319 2799
>>>>
>>>> Mobile: +61400 756 963 (AUS)
>>>> Mobile: +447900 918 616 (UK)
>>>> Web: www.robertbird.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> This email and any attachments are confidential and may contain legally
>>>> privileged information or copyright material. Unless expressly stated,
>>>> confidentiality and/or legal privilege is not intended to be waived by the
>>>> sending of this email. The contents of this email, including any
>>>> attachments, are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to
>>>> whom they are addressed. If you are not an intended recipient, please
>>>> contact us immediately by return email and then delete both messages. You
>>>> may not otherwise read, forward, copy, use or disclose this email or any
>>>> attachments. Any views expressed in this email are those of the individual
>>>> sender except where the sender expressly, and with authority, states
>>>> otherwise. It is your responsibility to check any attachments for viruses
>>>> or defects before opening or sending them on. None of the sender or its
>>>> related entities accepts any liability for any consequential damage
>>>> resulting from this email containing computer viruses.
>>>>
>>>> Disclaimer added by CodeTwo Exchange Rules
>>>> http://www.codetwo.com
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Sergey Kobzar [mailto:sergey.kobzar@itcraft.org]
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, 25 April 2012 3:07 PM
>>>> To: openmeetings-user@incubator.apache.org
>>>> Subject: Re: Video quality on high resolution
>>>>
>>>> I just uninstalled previously installed codecs and left VP8. I see
>>>> improvements but quality is still not ideal...
>>>>
>>>> I;d want to know what I can do else + other options.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 04/25/12 16:46, Alexei Fedotov wrote:****
>>>>
>>>> Sounds fantastic... That should require major code changes to switch
>>>> codecs on.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями, Alexei Fedotov / Алексей
>>>> Федотов, http://dataved.ru/
>>>> +7 916 562 8095
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 5:24 PM, Sergey Kobzar
>>>> <se...@itcraft.org> wrote:****
>>>>
>>>> Thank you for reply.
>>>>
>>>> I have installed VP8 codecs and they improved quality a little. But
>>>> it is still not ideal/expected.
>>>>
>>>> I assume, at the moment I have no other solutions, right? Can
>>>> SWF10/11 improve situation? When are you going switch to it?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 04/24/12 13:53, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:****
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> There is no way to specify other codec for OM.
>>>> please search dev mailing list, there will be no other codecs until
>>>> we switch to SWF10/11
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 17:49, Sergey
>>>> Kobzar<se...@itcraft.org>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Thank you.
>>>>
>>>> Do I need remove previously installed codecs or how can I tell
>>>> OpenMeetings to use codec below?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 04/24/12 11:46, Alexei Fedotov wrote:
>>>>
>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/__VP8
>>>>
>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VP8>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 10:57 AM, Sergey Kobzar
>>>>
>>>> <se...@itcraft.org>>
>>>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Alexei
>>>>
>>>> Could you give me links to Goole codecs or your flash
>>>> please?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 04/24/12 09:50, Alexei Fedotov wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> That's known flash issue. As for now we don't have a
>>>> workarond. Some
>>>> possible options include upgrading flash (in our build)
>>>> or migrating to
>>>> google codecs
>>>>
>>>> 23.04.2012 22:05 пользователь "Sergey
>>>> Kobzar"<sergey.kobzar@itcraft.__org
>>>> <ma...@itcraft.org>
>>>> <mailto:sergey.kobzar@itcraft.__org
>>>>
>>>> <ma...@itcraft.org>>> написал:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> WBR
>>>> Maxim aka solomax****
>>>>
>>>> ** **
>>>>
>>>> ** **
>>>>
>>>> ** **
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Sebastian Wagner
> https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> http://www.openmeetings.de
> http://www.webbase-design.de
> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> seba.wagner@gmail.com
>
--
Sebastian Wagner
https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
http://www.openmeetings.de
http://www.webbase-design.de
http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
seba.wagner@gmail.com
Re: Video quality on high resolution
Posted by "seba.wagner@gmail.com" <se...@gmail.com>.
Your article is from 2009, I think in the meantime things have changed.
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL-120 also is discussing RTMP
license issues (although more discussing the specs AS-IS).
However, writing the stream to discuss has nothing to do with the an RTMP
specification document in fact.
What you do is simple take the packets that you receive and write them to
disc.
I personally have never read the RTMP specs anyway, but I was able to grab
the stream and write packets to disc.
The issue about the RTMP spec from my point of view is more likely the
following:
The RTMP spec contained (or does still contain) portions that say: If you
read this spec you agree on NOT doing this or that.
That is why some linux developers working on Flash player clones always
claim to "never read that spec" but rather understood it by just looking at
the raw bytestream.
Or for example the motivation of websites like that one:
http://osflash.org/documentation/rtmp is to have a public, by reverse
engineering produced specification that does NOT rely on reading Adobe docs.
I am not a lawyer, but from my point of any specs really can't prevent that
any user on any device that somehow "randomly" reads packets on his eth0
device or by using tools like Wireshark reads those packets and analysis
what parts they consist of.
What those RTMP specs say (and is seen criticial is) the part where Adobe
claims: By *reading *the specs you agree on certain terms.
However even the reading might be not so critical anymore since Adobe has
applied some major changes on their position again Open Source.
Sebastian
2012/7/22 Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com>
> As for recordings, AFAIU, server side recording would have legal problems,
> see [1]. I'm not a lawyer to say that for sure.
>
> [1]
> http://linuxcentre.net/adobe-has-issued-a-dmca-removal-request-for-rtmpdump
>
> --
> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
> Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
> http://dataved.ru/
> +7 916 562 8095
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 2:45 PM, Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Hello George,
>>
>> 1. I didn't record things, I've tested standard 1:1 videoconference setup.
>> 2. I had maximum resolution of 1024x768. It seems the bandwidth is
>> limited by 1,2 MBit/sec, probably by flash player. I got even lower frame
>> rate, and bandwidth didn't grow.
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
>> Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
>> http://dataved.ru/
>> +7 916 562 8095
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 6:00 AM, George Kirkham <gk...@co2crc.com.au>wrote:
>>
>>> Alexei,****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> What difference does it make if you are recording at 1920x1080 (the
>>> current HD standard).****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> I can see an advantage with server side recording as long as it does not
>>> burden the server so that it cannot support the users. The ability to
>>> record is not that important to me as to get "the ability for users to have
>>> a meeting" working smoothly. The issue of managing different screen
>>> resolutions is a challenge to me.****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> Thanks,****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> George Kirkham****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> *From:* Alexei Fedotov [mailto:alexei.fedotov@gmail.com]
>>> *Sent:* Sunday, 22 July 2012 1:33 AM
>>>
>>> *To:* openmeetings-user@incubator.apache.org
>>> *Subject:* Re: Video quality on high resolution****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> Hello folks,****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> I've made some research on the peak bandwidth usage by opening two
>>> browser windows.****
>>>
>>> 640*480 1,2 MBit/s (the rate is still below 30 frames per second,
>>> setting <bandwidthNeededNormal>0</bandwidthNeededNormal> improved things a
>>> bit)****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> 432*240 0,8 MBit/s****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> 120*90 0,2 MBit/s****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> Just want to share the method. I've opened two browser windows (that
>>> gives us four streams) and measured traffi via performance manager.****
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
>>> Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
>>> http://dataved.ru/
>>> +7 916 562 8095
>>>
>>>
>>> ****
>>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 9:58 PM, Sergey Kobzar <
>>> sergey.kobzar@itcraft.org> wrote:****
>>>
>>> It seems this fixed the issue.
>>> I will check and confirm tomorrow.
>>>
>>> Thank you for this option, Stephen.****
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 04/25/12 17:11, Stephen Cottham wrote:****
>>>
>>> If you're running on a LAN and BW is not an issue have you tried setting
>>> this
>>>
>>> <bandwidthNeededBest>0</bandwidthNeededBest>
>>>
>>> In ..... /red5/webapps/openmeetings/config.xml ?
>>>
>>> Worked well for us.
>>>
>>> Best Regards
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Stephen Cottham
>>> Group IT Manager (Associate)
>>>
>>> Robert Bird Group
>>> Level 5, 333 Ann St
>>> Brisbane, Queensland, 4000, Australia
>>> Phone: +6173 319 2777 (AUS)
>>> Phone: +44207 592 8000 (UK)
>>> Fax: +6173 319 2799
>>>
>>> Mobile: +61400 756 963 (AUS)
>>> Mobile: +447900 918 616 (UK)
>>> Web: www.robertbird.com
>>>
>>>
>>> This email and any attachments are confidential and may contain legally
>>> privileged information or copyright material. Unless expressly stated,
>>> confidentiality and/or legal privilege is not intended to be waived by the
>>> sending of this email. The contents of this email, including any
>>> attachments, are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to
>>> whom they are addressed. If you are not an intended recipient, please
>>> contact us immediately by return email and then delete both messages. You
>>> may not otherwise read, forward, copy, use or disclose this email or any
>>> attachments. Any views expressed in this email are those of the individual
>>> sender except where the sender expressly, and with authority, states
>>> otherwise. It is your responsibility to check any attachments for viruses
>>> or defects before opening or sending them on. None of the sender or its
>>> related entities accepts any liability for any consequential damage
>>> resulting from this email containing computer viruses.
>>>
>>> Disclaimer added by CodeTwo Exchange Rules
>>> http://www.codetwo.com
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Sergey Kobzar [mailto:sergey.kobzar@itcraft.org]
>>> Sent: Wednesday, 25 April 2012 3:07 PM
>>> To: openmeetings-user@incubator.apache.org
>>> Subject: Re: Video quality on high resolution
>>>
>>> I just uninstalled previously installed codecs and left VP8. I see
>>> improvements but quality is still not ideal...
>>>
>>> I;d want to know what I can do else + other options.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 04/25/12 16:46, Alexei Fedotov wrote:****
>>>
>>> Sounds fantastic... That should require major code changes to switch
>>> codecs on.
>>>
>>> --
>>> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями, Alexei Fedotov / Алексей
>>> Федотов, http://dataved.ru/
>>> +7 916 562 8095
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 5:24 PM, Sergey Kobzar
>>> <se...@itcraft.org> wrote:****
>>>
>>> Thank you for reply.
>>>
>>> I have installed VP8 codecs and they improved quality a little. But
>>> it is still not ideal/expected.
>>>
>>> I assume, at the moment I have no other solutions, right? Can
>>> SWF10/11 improve situation? When are you going switch to it?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 04/24/12 13:53, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:****
>>>
>>>
>>> There is no way to specify other codec for OM.
>>> please search dev mailing list, there will be no other codecs until
>>> we switch to SWF10/11
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 17:49, Sergey
>>> Kobzar<se...@itcraft.org>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Thank you.
>>>
>>> Do I need remove previously installed codecs or how can I tell
>>> OpenMeetings to use codec below?
>>>
>>>
>>> On 04/24/12 11:46, Alexei Fedotov wrote:
>>>
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/__VP8
>>>
>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VP8>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 10:57 AM, Sergey Kobzar
>>>
>>> <se...@itcraft.org>>
>>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Alexei
>>>
>>> Could you give me links to Goole codecs or your flash
>>> please?
>>>
>>>
>>> On 04/24/12 09:50, Alexei Fedotov wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> That's known flash issue. As for now we don't have a
>>> workarond. Some
>>> possible options include upgrading flash (in our build)
>>> or migrating to
>>> google codecs
>>>
>>> 23.04.2012 22:05 пользователь "Sergey
>>> Kobzar"<sergey.kobzar@itcraft.__org
>>> <ma...@itcraft.org>
>>> <mailto:sergey.kobzar@itcraft.__org
>>>
>>> <ma...@itcraft.org>>> написал:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> WBR
>>> Maxim aka solomax****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>
>>
>
--
Sebastian Wagner
https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
http://www.openmeetings.de
http://www.webbase-design.de
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Re: Video quality on high resolution
Posted by Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com>.
As for recordings, AFAIU, server side recording would have legal problems,
see [1]. I'm not a lawyer to say that for sure.
[1]
http://linuxcentre.net/adobe-has-issued-a-dmca-removal-request-for-rtmpdump
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With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
http://dataved.ru/
+7 916 562 8095
On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 2:45 PM, Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com>wrote:
> Hello George,
>
> 1. I didn't record things, I've tested standard 1:1 videoconference setup.
> 2. I had maximum resolution of 1024x768. It seems the bandwidth is limited
> by 1,2 MBit/sec, probably by flash player. I got even lower frame rate, and
> bandwidth didn't grow.
>
>
>
> --
> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
> Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
> http://dataved.ru/
> +7 916 562 8095
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 6:00 AM, George Kirkham <gk...@co2crc.com.au>wrote:
>
>> Alexei,****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> What difference does it make if you are recording at 1920x1080 (the
>> current HD standard).****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> I can see an advantage with server side recording as long as it does not
>> burden the server so that it cannot support the users. The ability to
>> record is not that important to me as to get “the ability for users to have
>> a meeting” working smoothly. The issue of managing different screen
>> resolutions is a challenge to me.****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Thanks,****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> George Kirkham****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> *From:* Alexei Fedotov [mailto:alexei.fedotov@gmail.com]
>> *Sent:* Sunday, 22 July 2012 1:33 AM
>>
>> *To:* openmeetings-user@incubator.apache.org
>> *Subject:* Re: Video quality on high resolution****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Hello folks,****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> I've made some research on the peak bandwidth usage by opening two
>> browser windows.****
>>
>> 640*480 1,2 MBit/s (the rate is still below 30 frames per second, setting
>> <bandwidthNeededNormal>0</bandwidthNeededNormal> improved things a bit)**
>> **
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> 432*240 0,8 MBit/s****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> 120*90 0,2 MBit/s****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Just want to share the method. I've opened two browser windows (that
>> gives us four streams) and measured traffi via performance manager.****
>>
>>
>> --
>> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
>> Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
>> http://dataved.ru/
>> +7 916 562 8095
>>
>>
>> ****
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 9:58 PM, Sergey Kobzar <se...@itcraft.org>
>> wrote:****
>>
>> It seems this fixed the issue.
>> I will check and confirm tomorrow.
>>
>> Thank you for this option, Stephen.****
>>
>>
>>
>> On 04/25/12 17:11, Stephen Cottham wrote:****
>>
>> If you're running on a LAN and BW is not an issue have you tried setting
>> this
>>
>> <bandwidthNeededBest>0</bandwidthNeededBest>
>>
>> In ..... /red5/webapps/openmeetings/config.xml ?
>>
>> Worked well for us.
>>
>> Best Regards
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Stephen Cottham
>> Group IT Manager (Associate)
>>
>> Robert Bird Group
>> Level 5, 333 Ann St
>> Brisbane, Queensland, 4000, Australia
>> Phone: +6173 319 2777 (AUS)
>> Phone: +44207 592 8000 (UK)
>> Fax: +6173 319 2799
>>
>> Mobile: +61400 756 963 (AUS)
>> Mobile: +447900 918 616 (UK)
>> Web: www.robertbird.com
>>
>>
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Sergey Kobzar [mailto:sergey.kobzar@itcraft.org]
>> Sent: Wednesday, 25 April 2012 3:07 PM
>> To: openmeetings-user@incubator.apache.org
>> Subject: Re: Video quality on high resolution
>>
>> I just uninstalled previously installed codecs and left VP8. I see
>> improvements but quality is still not ideal...
>>
>> I;d want to know what I can do else + other options.
>>
>>
>> On 04/25/12 16:46, Alexei Fedotov wrote:****
>>
>> Sounds fantastic... That should require major code changes to switch
>> codecs on.
>>
>> --
>> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями, Alexei Fedotov / Алексей
>> Федотов, http://dataved.ru/
>> +7 916 562 8095
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 5:24 PM, Sergey Kobzar
>> <se...@itcraft.org> wrote:****
>>
>> Thank you for reply.
>>
>> I have installed VP8 codecs and they improved quality a little. But
>> it is still not ideal/expected.
>>
>> I assume, at the moment I have no other solutions, right? Can
>> SWF10/11 improve situation? When are you going switch to it?
>>
>>
>>
>> On 04/24/12 13:53, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:****
>>
>>
>> There is no way to specify other codec for OM.
>> please search dev mailing list, there will be no other codecs until
>> we switch to SWF10/11
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 17:49, Sergey
>> Kobzar<se...@itcraft.org>>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>> Do I need remove previously installed codecs or how can I tell
>> OpenMeetings to use codec below?
>>
>>
>> On 04/24/12 11:46, Alexei Fedotov wrote:
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/__VP8
>>
>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VP8>
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 10:57 AM, Sergey Kobzar
>>
>> <se...@itcraft.org>>
>>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Alexei
>>
>> Could you give me links to Goole codecs or your flash please?
>>
>>
>> On 04/24/12 09:50, Alexei Fedotov wrote:
>>
>>
>> That's known flash issue. As for now we don't have a
>> workarond. Some
>> possible options include upgrading flash (in our build)
>> or migrating to
>> google codecs
>>
>> 23.04.2012 22:05 пользователь "Sergey
>> Kobzar"<sergey.kobzar@itcraft.__org
>> <ma...@itcraft.org>
>> <mailto:sergey.kobzar@itcraft.__org
>>
>> <ma...@itcraft.org>>> написал:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> WBR
>> Maxim aka solomax****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> ** **
>>
>
>
Re: Video quality on high resolution
Posted by Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com>.
Hello George,
1. I didn't record things, I've tested standard 1:1 videoconference setup.
2. I had maximum resolution of 1024x768. It seems the bandwidth is limited
by 1,2 MBit/sec, probably by flash player. I got even lower frame rate, and
bandwidth didn't grow.
--
With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
http://dataved.ru/
+7 916 562 8095
On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 6:00 AM, George Kirkham <gk...@co2crc.com.au>wrote:
> Alexei,****
>
> ** **
>
> What difference does it make if you are recording at 1920x1080 (the
> current HD standard).****
>
> ** **
>
> I can see an advantage with server side recording as long as it does not
> burden the server so that it cannot support the users. The ability to
> record is not that important to me as to get “the ability for users to have
> a meeting” working smoothly. The issue of managing different screen
> resolutions is a challenge to me.****
>
> ** **
>
> Thanks,****
>
> ** **
>
> George Kirkham****
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Alexei Fedotov [mailto:alexei.fedotov@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Sunday, 22 July 2012 1:33 AM
>
> *To:* openmeetings-user@incubator.apache.org
> *Subject:* Re: Video quality on high resolution****
>
> ** **
>
> Hello folks,****
>
> ** **
>
> I've made some research on the peak bandwidth usage by opening two browser
> windows.****
>
> 640*480 1,2 MBit/s (the rate is still below 30 frames per second, setting
> <bandwidthNeededNormal>0</bandwidthNeededNormal> improved things a bit)***
> *
>
> ** **
>
> 432*240 0,8 MBit/s****
>
> ** **
>
> 120*90 0,2 MBit/s****
>
> ** **
>
> Just want to share the method. I've opened two browser windows (that gives
> us four streams) and measured traffi via performance manager.****
>
>
> --
> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
> Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
> http://dataved.ru/
> +7 916 562 8095
>
>
> ****
>
> On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 9:58 PM, Sergey Kobzar <se...@itcraft.org>
> wrote:****
>
> It seems this fixed the issue.
> I will check and confirm tomorrow.
>
> Thank you for this option, Stephen.****
>
>
>
> On 04/25/12 17:11, Stephen Cottham wrote:****
>
> If you're running on a LAN and BW is not an issue have you tried setting
> this
>
> <bandwidthNeededBest>0</bandwidthNeededBest>
>
> In ..... /red5/webapps/openmeetings/config.xml ?
>
> Worked well for us.
>
> Best Regards
>
>
>
>
> Stephen Cottham
> Group IT Manager (Associate)
>
> Robert Bird Group
> Level 5, 333 Ann St
> Brisbane, Queensland, 4000, Australia
> Phone: +6173 319 2777 (AUS)
> Phone: +44207 592 8000 (UK)
> Fax: +6173 319 2799
>
> Mobile: +61400 756 963 (AUS)
> Mobile: +447900 918 616 (UK)
> Web: www.robertbird.com
>
>
> This email and any attachments are confidential and may contain legally
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sergey Kobzar [mailto:sergey.kobzar@itcraft.org]
> Sent: Wednesday, 25 April 2012 3:07 PM
> To: openmeetings-user@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Video quality on high resolution
>
> I just uninstalled previously installed codecs and left VP8. I see
> improvements but quality is still not ideal...
>
> I;d want to know what I can do else + other options.
>
>
> On 04/25/12 16:46, Alexei Fedotov wrote:****
>
> Sounds fantastic... That should require major code changes to switch
> codecs on.
>
> --
> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями, Alexei Fedotov / Алексей
> Федотов, http://dataved.ru/
> +7 916 562 8095
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 5:24 PM, Sergey Kobzar
> <se...@itcraft.org> wrote:****
>
> Thank you for reply.
>
> I have installed VP8 codecs and they improved quality a little. But
> it is still not ideal/expected.
>
> I assume, at the moment I have no other solutions, right? Can
> SWF10/11 improve situation? When are you going switch to it?
>
>
>
> On 04/24/12 13:53, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:****
>
>
> There is no way to specify other codec for OM.
> please search dev mailing list, there will be no other codecs until
> we switch to SWF10/11
>
> On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 17:49, Sergey
> Kobzar<se...@itcraft.org>>
> wrote:
>
> Thank you.
>
> Do I need remove previously installed codecs or how can I tell
> OpenMeetings to use codec below?
>
>
> On 04/24/12 11:46, Alexei Fedotov wrote:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/__VP8
>
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VP8>
>
> On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 10:57 AM, Sergey Kobzar
>
> <se...@itcraft.org>>
>
> wrote:
>
> Alexei
>
> Could you give me links to Goole codecs or your flash please?
>
>
> On 04/24/12 09:50, Alexei Fedotov wrote:
>
>
> That's known flash issue. As for now we don't have a
> workarond. Some
> possible options include upgrading flash (in our build)
> or migrating to
> google codecs
>
> 23.04.2012 22:05 пользователь "Sergey
> Kobzar"<sergey.kobzar@itcraft.__org
> <ma...@itcraft.org>
> <mailto:sergey.kobzar@itcraft.__org
>
> <ma...@itcraft.org>>> написал:
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> WBR
> Maxim aka solomax****
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
RE: Video quality on high resolution
Posted by George Kirkham <gk...@co2crc.com.au>.
Alexei,
What difference does it make if you are recording at 1920x1080 (the current HD standard).
I can see an advantage with server side recording as long as it does not burden the server so that it cannot support the users. The ability to record is not that important to me as to get “the ability for users to have a meeting” working smoothly. The issue of managing different screen resolutions is a challenge to me.
Thanks,
George Kirkham
From: Alexei Fedotov [mailto:alexei.fedotov@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, 22 July 2012 1:33 AM
To: openmeetings-user@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Video quality on high resolution
Hello folks,
I've made some research on the peak bandwidth usage by opening two browser windows.
640*480 1,2 MBit/s (the rate is still below 30 frames per second, setting <bandwidthNeededNormal>0</bandwidthNeededNormal> improved things a bit)
432*240 0,8 MBit/s
120*90 0,2 MBit/s
Just want to share the method. I've opened two browser windows (that gives us four streams) and measured traffi via performance manager.
--
With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
http://dataved.ru/
+7 916 562 8095
On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 9:58 PM, Sergey Kobzar <se...@itcraft.org> wrote:
It seems this fixed the issue.
I will check and confirm tomorrow.
Thank you for this option, Stephen.
On 04/25/12 17:11, Stephen Cottham wrote:
If you're running on a LAN and BW is not an issue have you tried setting this
<bandwidthNeededBest>0</bandwidthNeededBest>
In ..... /red5/webapps/openmeetings/config.xml ?
Worked well for us.
Best Regards
Stephen Cottham
Group IT Manager (Associate)
Robert Bird Group
Level 5, 333 Ann St
Brisbane, Queensland, 4000, Australia
Phone: +6173 319 2777 (AUS)
Phone: +44207 592 8000 (UK)
Fax: +6173 319 2799
Mobile: +61400 756 963 (AUS)
Mobile: +447900 918 616 (UK)
Web: www.robertbird.com
This email and any attachments are confidential and may contain legally privileged information or copyright material. Unless expressly stated, confidentiality and/or legal privilege is not intended to be waived by the sending of this email. The contents of this email, including any attachments, are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not an intended recipient, please contact us immediately by return email and then delete both messages. You may not otherwise read, forward, copy, use or disclose this email or any attachments. Any views expressed in this email are those of the individual sender except where the sender expressly, and with authority, states otherwise. It is your responsibility to check any attachments for viruses or defects before opening or sending them on. None of the sender or its related entities accepts any liability for any consequential damage resulting from this email containing computer viruses.
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-----Original Message-----
From: Sergey Kobzar [mailto:sergey.kobzar@itcraft.org]
Sent: Wednesday, 25 April 2012 3:07 PM
To: openmeetings-user@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Video quality on high resolution
I just uninstalled previously installed codecs and left VP8. I see improvements but quality is still not ideal...
I;d want to know what I can do else + other options.
On 04/25/12 16:46, Alexei Fedotov wrote:
Sounds fantastic... That should require major code changes to switch codecs on.
--
With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями, Alexei Fedotov / Алексей
Федотов, http://dataved.ru/
+7 916 562 8095
On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 5:24 PM, Sergey Kobzar
<se...@itcraft.org> wrote:
Thank you for reply.
I have installed VP8 codecs and they improved quality a little. But
it is still not ideal/expected.
I assume, at the moment I have no other solutions, right? Can
SWF10/11 improve situation? When are you going switch to it?
On 04/24/12 13:53, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:
There is no way to specify other codec for OM.
please search dev mailing list, there will be no other codecs until
we switch to SWF10/11
On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 17:49, Sergey
Kobzar<se...@itcraft.org>> wrote:
Thank you.
Do I need remove previously installed codecs or how can I tell
OpenMeetings to use codec below?
On 04/24/12 11:46, Alexei Fedotov wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/__VP8
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VP8>
On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 10:57 AM, Sergey Kobzar
<se...@itcraft.org>>
wrote:
Alexei
Could you give me links to Goole codecs or your flash please?
On 04/24/12 09:50, Alexei Fedotov wrote:
That's known flash issue. As for now we don't have a
workarond. Some
possible options include upgrading flash (in our build)
or migrating to
google codecs
23.04.2012 22:05 пользователь "Sergey
Kobzar"<sergey.kobzar@itcraft.__org
<ma...@itcraft.org>
<mailto:sergey.kobzar@itcraft.__org
<ma...@itcraft.org>>> написал:
--
WBR
Maxim aka solomax