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Posted to user@struts.apache.org by "Viggio, Alex" <Al...@globalcrossing.com> on 2002/12/22 21:38:14 UTC
RE: [Announce / help] STRUTS - Help needed on open source project
Is this a similar effort to JBoss Group? If not, how does it differ (given
their for profit angle to Open Source which works for me if it is backed up
with solid LGPL open source software like JBoss ;)
- Alex
-----Original Message-----
From: James Mitchell [mailto:jmitchell@apache.org]
Sent: Friday, December 20, 2002 12:23 PM
To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'
Subject: RE: [Announce / help] STRUTS - Help needed on open source
project
I can't speak for everyone, but it is not very clear (from the main
page) what your website is about.
I had to go to the faq to grasp what is going on. (hint - add 'what is
open stack' to your main page)
So, basically, (guessing) you guys are like a Marketing dept for Open
Source Java Development???
I think this is a cool idea and I wish you mucho success!!!
I hope someone (IBM?) does something quick. I just finished installing
the full blown Visual Studio.net Enterprise Developer w/ Visio (yes, I
get paid to do .Net (30%) and Java (%15)....mostly because I can't seem
to find a fulltime position in the J2EE sector) and it looks to be quite
a bit more powerful than the previous version.
For me, Eclipse (and plugins) is the closest thing to competing with M$
development tools. It's nice to see someone pull all these efforts
together.
Good Luck, I'll help when/where I can.
--
James Mitchell
Software Engineer/Struts Evangelist
http://www.open-tools.org
"C makes it easy to shoot yourself in the foot; C++ makes it harder, but
when you do, it blows away your whole leg."
- Bjarne Stroustrup
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Harshal D [mailto:emailtoharshal@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Friday, December 20, 2002 1:15 PM
> To: Struts Users Mailing List
> Subject: RE: [Announce / help] STRUTS - Help needed on open
> source project
>
>
>
> James,
>
>
>
> Good question .
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> We are NOT FOR PROFIT. We are using .com as well as .org just
> because we got the domain and .com is easy for our 'target
> audience' - enterprise developers'.
>
>
>
> To understand furthe please check out:
>
> http://www.theopenstack.com/main/staticpages/index.php?page=20
> 021129161256837
>
>
>
> Also please look at the survey at:
>
>
>
> http://www.theopenstack.com/main/index.php?topic=AboutUs
>
>
>
> as it states 69% CIOs do not use open source for its lack of
> simplicity / in house skills. We are trying to help
> enterprise IT teams to build these skills. In other words we
> would like to take open source to the 'Masses' if we succeed.
> Currently only the 'technically elite' use many open source tools.
>
>
> With help from people like you we surely hope we will succeed
> in that. Any ideas suggestion you have in achieving this
> are more than welcome.
> Harshal.
>
> PS: Lets not keep replying to the list, please send me an
> email directly. James Mitchell <jm...@apache.org>
> wrote:So what exactly do you want? Free labor?
>
>
> --
> James Mitchell
> Software Engineer/Struts Evangelist
> http://www.open-tools.org
>
> "C makes it easy to shoot yourself in the foot; C++ makes it
> harder, but when you do, it blows away your whole leg."
> - Bjarne Stroustrup
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Harshal D [mailto:emailtoharshal@yahoo.com]
> > Sent: Friday, December 20, 2002 3:40 AM
> > To: Struts Users Mailing List
> > Subject: [Announce / help] STRUTS - Help needed on open
> > source project
> >
> >
> >
> > THIS IS NOT A TECHNICAL QUESTION.
> >
> >
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> >
> >
> > I am a contributor to www.theopenstack.com
> >
> >
> >
> > We are trying to simplify & promote use of open source
> > technology in building 'enterprise application'. The goal is
> > to pre-define a stack and demonstrate the use of open source
> > technologies for enterprise applications. We will be
> > demonstrating how to build the same example application,
> > step-by-step, by adding features such as DB access, caching,
> > ERP integration, Service oriented architecture support &
> > Collaboration.
> >
> >
> >
> > We are a bunch of business tier application developers and
> > seriously lack STRUTS skills. We really need contributors in
> > this area.
> >
> >
> >
> > Please check out the website, about us & projects links to
> > explore further if you are interested.
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> >
> >
> > Harshal
> >
> >
> >
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RE: [Announce / help] STRUTS - Help needed on open source project
Posted by Harshal D <em...@yahoo.com>.
To All,
Thanks a lot for your support, we have enough contributors for the STRUTS work.
Being said that we would certainly appreciate any feedback / help / suggestions.
Now to answer your question, Alex, please check out :
http://www.theopenstack.com/main/index.php?topic=faq
Basically we are not developing software. We are just building �demo apps�, quick-starts, tutorials and documentation around a pre-defined Stack. Our goal is get Enterprise IT developers (many of them are NOT computer science majors) to use the open source tools, by quickly getting them started. Once a smart person starts using a tool, he/she can figure out the rest by visiting the individual community websites.
Our website is not for profit, but that does not stop you from using this for commercial purpose. Our contributors can list their (or their organization�s ) details for consulting / support work.
Now comparing with Jboss, for �thin� application that just provide a �common� layer on top of various back-end systems, an EJB container may not be needed. OpenStack addresses those apps as well. For other �heavy� apps we use Jboss as the EJB container.
We can not and will not replace Jboss - documentation. We will only provide a quick-start and some demos / templates. Jboss documentation may not focus on Netbeans/ STRUTS , Ant etc., they may not differentiate tasks based on roles (a typical enterprise IT team need), but we do.
Hope this clarifies any doubts. Please send me an email directly at emailtoharshal@yahoo.com
"Viggio, Alex" <Al...@globalcrossing.com> wrote:Is this a similar effort to JBoss Group? If not, how does it differ (given
their for profit angle to Open Source which works for me if it is backed up
with solid LGPL open source software like JBoss ;)
- Alex
-----Original Message-----
From: James Mitchell [mailto:jmitchell@apache.org]
Sent: Friday, December 20, 2002 12:23 PM
To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'
Subject: RE: [Announce / help] STRUTS - Help needed on open source
project
I can't speak for everyone, but it is not very clear (from the main
page) what your website is about.
I had to go to the faq to grasp what is going on. (hint - add 'what is
open stack' to your main page)
So, basically, (guessing) you guys are like a Marketing dept for Open
Source Java Development???
I think this is a cool idea and I wish you mucho success!!!
I hope someone (IBM?) does something quick. I just finished installing
the full blown Visual Studio.net Enterprise Developer w/ Visio (yes, I
get paid to do .Net (30%) and Java (%15)....mostly because I can't seem
to find a fulltime position in the J2EE sector) and it looks to be quite
a bit more powerful than the previous version.
For me, Eclipse (and plugins) is the closest thing to competing with M$
development tools. It's nice to see someone pull all these efforts
together.
Good Luck, I'll help when/where I can.
--
James Mitchell
Software Engineer/Struts Evangelist
http://www.open-tools.org
"C makes it easy to shoot yourself in the foot; C++ makes it harder, but
when you do, it blows away your whole leg."
- Bjarne Stroustrup
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Harshal D [mailto:emailtoharshal@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Friday, December 20, 2002 1:15 PM
> To: Struts Users Mailing List
> Subject: RE: [Announce / help] STRUTS - Help needed on open
> source project
>
>
>
> James,
>
>
>
> Good question .
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> We are NOT FOR PROFIT. We are using .com as well as .org just
> because we got the domain and .com is easy for our 'target
> audience' - enterprise developers'.
>
>
>
> To understand furthe please check out:
>
> http://www.theopenstack.com/main/staticpages/index.php?page=20
> 021129161256837
>
>
>
> Also please look at the survey at:
>
>
>
> http://www.theopenstack.com/main/index.php?topic=AboutUs
>
>
>
> as it states 69% CIOs do not use open source for its lack of
> simplicity / in house skills. We are trying to help
> enterprise IT teams to build these skills. In other words we
> would like to take open source to the 'Masses' if we succeed.
> Currently only the 'technically elite' use many open source tools.
>
>
> With help from people like you we surely hope we will succeed
> in that. Any ideas suggestion you have in achieving this
> are more than welcome.
> Harshal.
>
> PS: Lets not keep replying to the list, please send me an
> email directly. James Mitchell
> wrote:So what exactly do you want? Free labor?
>
>
> --
> James Mitchell
> Software Engineer/Struts Evangelist
> http://www.open-tools.org
>
> "C makes it easy to shoot yourself in the foot; C++ makes it
> harder, but when you do, it blows away your whole leg."
> - Bjarne Stroustrup
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Harshal D [mailto:emailtoharshal@yahoo.com]
> > Sent: Friday, December 20, 2002 3:40 AM
> > To: Struts Users Mailing List
> > Subject: [Announce / help] STRUTS - Help needed on open
> > source project
> >
> >
> >
> > THIS IS NOT A TECHNICAL QUESTION.
> >
> >
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> >
> >
> > I am a contributor to www.theopenstack.com
> >
> >
> >
> > We are trying to simplify & promote use of open source
> > technology in building 'enterprise application'. The goal is
> > to pre-define a stack and demonstrate the use of open source
> > technologies for enterprise applications. We will be
> > demonstrating how to build the same example application,
> > step-by-step, by adding features such as DB access, caching,
> > ERP integration, Service oriented architecture support &
> > Collaboration.
> >
> >
> >
> > We are a bunch of business tier application developers and
> > seriously lack STRUTS skills. We really need contributors in
> > this area.
> >
> >
> >
> > Please check out the website, about us & projects links to
> > explore further if you are interested.
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> >
> >
> > Harshal
> >
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------
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> > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now
> >
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