aaargh!

[Michael McElligott <mi...@liquidplanet.com>]

Okay, so I want to hook up apache with Tomcat on my development box (win98).  So I read server.xml, and it tells me I need to make these modifications to httpd.conf.  Then it says: here's how you make mod_webapp.so.

Of course, to make mod_webapp.so, I need make, right?  And since I'm on 98, I don't have it.  That's aside from the fact that I need a compiler (I'm thinking gcc, right?).

So I download gcc.  It has to be made as well.  From the documentation that I went through, looks like it encourages you to start with Visual C++.  I don't *have* Visual C++.  I'm a java guy.  I was very happy to leave pointers at school and go to a nice warm everything-done-for-you Java world.  So then I think, well I guess I need to get make anyway (regardless of the VC++ question).  Make has to be made too.  Hmm..

So I spot something called egcs at one point and for some reason think it's an executable that will run on Intel hardware.  Wrong.  Doesn't support windows at this time.

The point of this rant is not (as you might think) that the universe needs to satisfy me.. it's just that I'm a little concerned that I need to go buy a Microsoft product to get open source software to run on my machine..

Just ranting at 2:15...

Mike

P.S.  I do have VC around here somewhere, but I imagine lots of folks don't.. how do they get everything set up, without having to guy buy VC++?

P.P.S.  I suppose the easy answer would be to download Red Hat, huh? ;)

RE: aaargh!

[Sandy McPherson <al...@webmind.nl>]

Once you have cygwin32 (with gcc-2.95) and you can get the ant environment
variables sorted out using the apache/tomcat combo is a piece of cake. There
are also cygwin versions of SSL out there, if you just look...
http://sources.redhat.com/cygwin/
Sandy




> -----Original Message-----
> From: dave@dcc.vu [mailto:dave@dcc.vu]On Behalf Of David Crooke
> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 8:47 AM
> To: tomcat-user@jakarta.apache.org
> Subject: Re: aaargh!
>
>
> Horses for courses......
>
> Win98 is designed to run games and Microsoft Office; it's not a webserver
> platform. Yes, it's possible to build a Unix-like development
> environment, but
> it will take work. Most Unix-esque open source stuff can be made
> to run on some
> versions of Windows, but it can take work.
>
> Conversely, Linux requires some hassle to support MS-Office
> documents (you have
> to tell Netscape to launch StarOffice / ABIword / ApplixWare) has limited
> support for browser plug-ins, and no games to speak of, but has
> an extremely
> comprehensive development environment out of the box (gcc, make,
> emacs, perl,
> tcl, cvs, ......) and you can build Apache from scratch like this:
>
> tar xvzf apache-1.3.19.tar.gz ; cd apache-1.3.19 ; ./configure ;
> make ; make
> install
>
> I must say I'm slightly surprised that you can't find a pre-built
> gcc binary for
> Win98 that you can use without needing to bootstrap via another compiler.
>
> I'd seriously suggest partitioning your hard disk and doing your
> Java servlet
> tinkering in Linux - you'll find it a lot less stressful. At
> minimum, can 98 in
> favour of NT.
>
> Cheers
> Dave
>
> Michael McElligott wrote:
>
> > Okay, so I want to hook up apache with Tomcat on my development
> box (win98).
> > So I read server.xml, and it tells me I need to make these
> modifications to
> > httpd.conf.  Then it says: here's how you make mod_webapp.so.
> Of course, to
> > make mod_webapp.so, I need make, right?  And since I'm on 98, I
> don't have
> > it.  That's aside from the fact that I need a compiler (I'm
> thinking gcc,
> > right?). So I download gcc.  It has to be made as well.  From the
> > documentation that I went through, looks like it encourages you
> to start with
> > Visual C++.  I don't *have* Visual C++.  I'm a java guy.  I was
> very happy to
> > leave pointers at school and go to a nice warm
> everything-done-for-you Java
> > world.  So then I think, well I guess I need to get make anyway
> (regardless of
> > the VC++ question).  Make has to be made too.  Hmm.. So I spot something
> > called egcs at one point and for some reason think it's an
> executable that
> > will run on Intel hardware.  Wrong.  Doesn't support windows at
> this time. The
> > point of this rant is not (as you might think) that the
> universe needs to
> > satisfy me.. it's just that I'm a little concerned that I need
> to go buy a
> > Microsoft product to get open source software to run on my
> machine.. Just
> > ranting at 2:15... Mike P.S.  I do have VC around here somewhere, but I
> > imagine lots of folks don't.. how do they get everything set up, without
> > having to guy buy VC++? P.P.S.  I suppose the easy answer would
> be to download
> > Red Hat, huh? ;)
>
>

Re: aaargh!

[David Crooke <da...@convio.com>]

Horses for courses......

Win98 is designed to run games and Microsoft Office; it's not a webserver
platform. Yes, it's possible to build a Unix-like development environment, but
it will take work. Most Unix-esque open source stuff can be made to run on some
versions of Windows, but it can take work.

Conversely, Linux requires some hassle to support MS-Office documents (you have
to tell Netscape to launch StarOffice / ABIword / ApplixWare) has limited
support for browser plug-ins, and no games to speak of, but has an extremely
comprehensive development environment out of the box (gcc, make, emacs, perl,
tcl, cvs, ......) and you can build Apache from scratch like this:

tar xvzf apache-1.3.19.tar.gz ; cd apache-1.3.19 ; ./configure ; make ; make
install

I must say I'm slightly surprised that you can't find a pre-built gcc binary for
Win98 that you can use without needing to bootstrap via another compiler.

I'd seriously suggest partitioning your hard disk and doing your Java servlet
tinkering in Linux - you'll find it a lot less stressful. At minimum, can 98 in
favour of NT.

Cheers
Dave

Michael McElligott wrote:

> Okay, so I want to hook up apache with Tomcat on my development box (win98).
> So I read server.xml, and it tells me I need to make these modifications to
> httpd.conf.  Then it says: here's how you make mod_webapp.so. Of course, to
> make mod_webapp.so, I need make, right?  And since I'm on 98, I don't have
> it.  That's aside from the fact that I need a compiler (I'm thinking gcc,
> right?). So I download gcc.  It has to be made as well.  From the
> documentation that I went through, looks like it encourages you to start with
> Visual C++.  I don't *have* Visual C++.  I'm a java guy.  I was very happy to
> leave pointers at school and go to a nice warm everything-done-for-you Java
> world.  So then I think, well I guess I need to get make anyway (regardless of
> the VC++ question).  Make has to be made too.  Hmm.. So I spot something
> called egcs at one point and for some reason think it's an executable that
> will run on Intel hardware.  Wrong.  Doesn't support windows at this time. The
> point of this rant is not (as you might think) that the universe needs to
> satisfy me.. it's just that I'm a little concerned that I need to go buy a
> Microsoft product to get open source software to run on my machine.. Just
> ranting at 2:15... Mike P.S.  I do have VC around here somewhere, but I
> imagine lots of folks don't.. how do they get everything set up, without
> having to guy buy VC++? P.P.S.  I suppose the easy answer would be to download
> Red Hat, huh? ;)

RE: aaargh!

[Danny Angus <da...@thought.co.uk>]

>The point of this rant is not (as you might think) that the universe needs
to satisfy me.. it's just that I'm a little
>concerned that I need to go buy a Microsoft product to get open source
software to run on my machine..

I agree with this guy, VC++ seems a bit of a strange recommendation,
understandable in that it is the authoritative compiler for Windows, but
sits uneasily with the philosophy, and.. are non developers going to pay out
that much just to compile a slightly non-centered version of apache?

I'm not ranting, just curious.

d