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Posted to dev@openoffice.apache.org by "Dennis E. Hamilton" <de...@acm.org> on 2014/06/21 22:01:46 UTC

RE: Apache@ OSCON question

I am willing to make a day trip from Seattle to the OSCON Expo Hall.  
That is affordable for me and appealing if can meet ASF and 
especially AOO folks that I have not yet met in person.  

(I have started some work on change-
tracking for which there might be discussion interest as well.)

I don't follow the OpenOffice dev list these days.  It helps if I
am CC-ed in any discussion there that is aided by my being at
OSCON.


 -- Dennis E. Hamilton
    dennis.hamilton@acm.org    +1-206-779-9430
    https://keybase.io/orcmid  PGP F96E 89FF D456 628A



-----Original Message-----
From: Andrea Pescetti [mailto:pescetti@apache.org] 
Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2014 01:49
To: dev@community.apache.org
Subject: Re: Apache@ OSCON question

Melissa Warnkin wrote:
> I can make room on the table for pins.  When you refer to leaflet and
> roll-up designs, what is that and how much real estate would they
> take up?

I'll explain better: physical objects are not available, meaning that 
either they haven't been printed yet or they are in Europe and it's 
unpractical to deliver them to OSCON in the US.

This is why I focus on the "designs", since stuff would have to be 
reprinted anyway. We have designs available for:
- A4 leaflets, in color (suitable b/w too) https://flic.kr/p/dSDcDC
- A roll-up like this one, roughly 80x200cm: https://flic.kr/p/dSDcB5
So for these two items the main issue is whether someone is attending 
FOSDEM and can print them.

Pins with the OpenOffice logo used to be a quite successful giveaway 
that we could look into redesigning (we don't have the original files, 
but they had the old logo) and reprinting. Again, I don't know whether 
it makes sense to print stuff in Europe and ship it to the US... But Kay 
feel free to bring this to the OpenOffice dev list and we can find some 
ideas there, provided that someone is actually going to attend OSCON or 
the Expo Hall!

Regards,
   Andrea.


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Re: Apache@ OSCON question

Posted by Louis Suárez-Potts <lu...@gmail.com>.
HI Dennis, *,

On 21 Jun 2014, at 21:01, Dennis E. Hamilton <de...@acm.org> wrote:

> I am willing to make a day trip from Seattle to the OSCON Expo Hall.  
> That is affordable for me and appealing if can meet ASF and 
> especially AOO folks that I have not yet met in person.  
> 
> (I have started some work on change-
> tracking for which there might be discussion interest as well.)

Are you demonstrating this work on the Oasis lists? I don't follow the office@ list any longer.
And by change tracking, what do you mean, exactly? If that's too broad a question, feel free to ignore it or answer off list, if it seems beside the point of this list to you.


> 
> I don't follow the OpenOffice dev list these days.  It helps if I
> am CC-ed in any discussion there that is aided by my being at
> OSCON.

Personally, I think it would be great if you could be at Oscon and even gather a group together there. I don't think I'm going this year, though the CLS, which precedes it, has invited me. 

-louis
> 
> 
> -- Dennis E. Hamilton
>    dennis.hamilton@acm.org    +1-206-779-9430
>    https://keybase.io/orcmid  PGP F96E 89FF D456 628A
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andrea Pescetti [mailto:pescetti@apache.org] 
> Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2014 01:49
> To: dev@community.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Apache@ OSCON question
> 
> Melissa Warnkin wrote:
>> I can make room on the table for pins.  When you refer to leaflet and
>> roll-up designs, what is that and how much real estate would they
>> take up?
> 
> I'll explain better: physical objects are not available, meaning that 
> either they haven't been printed yet or they are in Europe and it's 
> unpractical to deliver them to OSCON in the US.
> 
> This is why I focus on the "designs", since stuff would have to be 
> reprinted anyway. We have designs available for:
> - A4 leaflets, in color (suitable b/w too) https://flic.kr/p/dSDcDC
> - A roll-up like this one, roughly 80x200cm: https://flic.kr/p/dSDcB5
> So for these two items the main issue is whether someone is attending 
> FOSDEM and can print them.
> 
> Pins with the OpenOffice logo used to be a quite successful giveaway 
> that we could look into redesigning (we don't have the original files, 
> but they had the old logo) and reprinting. Again, I don't know whether 
> it makes sense to print stuff in Europe and ship it to the US... But Kay 
> feel free to bring this to the OpenOffice dev list and we can find some 
> ideas there, provided that someone is actually going to attend OSCON or 
> the Expo Hall!
> 
> Regards,
>   Andrea.
> 
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Re: Apache@ OSCON question

Posted by Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org>.
On 30/06/2014 Kay Schenk wrote:
> 200 buttons were ordered and Melissa has received them and will be
> taking them on to OSCON.

It's very good to finally have some merchandising items updated.

> Here is the link to the WackyButtons "product" if anyone wants to reuse
> this 1" design --
> http://www.wackybuttons.com/preview.php?display=show&dc1=3718704

Looks good, and an easy task (for someone on the marketing list?) would 
be to add "Apache OpenOffice" externally, so that we have both the logo 
and name in the circle.

> Melissa took a picture, in gull formation, of some of the buttons which
> I'd like to upload somewhere along with this ordering information, but I
> need some guidance from the marketing folks on location.

Please upload it somewhere. We have 
https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Art/Resources and 
http://www.openoffice.org/marketing/art/index.html ; both are very 
outdated, but we must start somewhere...

> Thanks to all who helped make this little project for OSCON a reality.

Thank you for taking care of this. Remember that we can allocate a 
budget from the events budget to reimburse you, just give details here 
for lazy consensus.

Regards,
   Andrea.

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Re: Apache@ OSCON question

Posted by Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com>.
A short update on this item.

200 buttons were ordered and Melissa has received them and will be
taking them on to OSCON.

Here is the link to the WackyButtons "product" if anyone wants to reuse
this 1" design --

http://www.wackybuttons.com/preview.php?display=show&dc1=3718704

There area some other options you can do with the "buttons" for the more
graphically adventurous. :) (You would need to submit a new design though.)

Melissa took a picture, in gull formation, of some of the buttons which
I'd like to upload somewhere along with this ordering information, but I
need some guidance from the marketing folks on location.

Thanks to all who helped make this little project for OSCON a reality.



On 06/24/2014 12:36 PM, Kay Schenk wrote:
> Melissa --
> 
> 200 1" AOO logo buttons will be mailed within the next 2 days to you, so
> I expect you should receive them by the end of the next week -- July 4
> for sure! THANK YOU SO MUCH for being our transport for this last minute
> request, and for the WackyButtons site -- easy to use and VERY
> inexpensive. We owe you!
> 
> 
> On Sun, Jun 22, 2014 at 9:13 AM, Melissa Warnkin <missywarnkin@yahoo.com
> <ma...@yahoo.com>> wrote:
> 
>     Good morning,
> 
>     Since we're talking about a compressed timeline, perhaps you want to
>     consider placing the orders through the vendors I use in the US?
> 
>     I order stickers from:  Sticker Mule,  Custom Sticker Printing -
>     Sticker Mule <http://www.stickermule.com/>.  They are very
>     professional and provide a very quick turnaround time.
>     	
>     Custom Sticker Printing - Sticker Mule <http://www.stickermule.com/>
>     Sticker Mule prints custom stickers, die cut stickers and laptop
>     skins. Prices start at $49 for 50. Free shipping.
>     	
>     View on www.stickermule.com <http://www.stickermule.com/>
>     	
>     Preview by Yahoo
> 
> 
>     Pins I get from:  Wacky Buttons,  Make Buttons | Pin Buttons |
>     Custom Buttons | Badge Pins | Pinback Buttons
>     <http://www.wackybuttons.com/>.  They are very professional and
>     provide a very quick turnaround time as well.
>     	
>     image <http://www.wackybuttons.com/>
>     	
>     	
>     Make Buttons | Pin Buttons | Custom Buttons | Badge Pin...
>     <http://www.wackybuttons.com/>
>     We sell pinback button badges and specialize in making custom
>     buttons. Create your own buttons online, Let us design them for
>     free, or choose from our lar...
>     	
>     View on www.wackybuttons.com <http://www.wackybuttons.com/>
>     	
>     Preview by Yahoo
> 
> 
>     Wherever you order from, you can use my address to ship the items to: 
> 
>     Melissa Warnkin
>     79 Bickel Road
>     Washington, NJ 07882
>     908.343.3214 <tel:908.343.3214>
> 
>     The items will be compact enough that I can even put them in my
>     luggage, if I had to!!
> 
>     Regarding the roll-up banner:  No, I do not have room at the booth
>     for that.  I've even eliminated sending the ASF vertical rollup due
>     to lack of space.
> 
>     I'll have room for leaflets since they're folded like this:  - A4
>     leaflets, in color (suitable b/w too) 11-flyers
>     <https://flic.kr/p/dSDcDC>
>     	
>     image <https://flic.kr/p/dSDcDC>
>     	
>     	
>     11-flyers <https://flic.kr/p/dSDcDC>
>     	
>     View on flic.kr <https://flic.kr/p/dSDcDC>
>     	
>     Preview by Yahoo
> 
>      
>     Just keep me advised on what's going on!!
> 
>     ~Melissa
>     ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>     *From:* Kay Schenk <kay.schenk@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>>
>     *To:* OOo Apache <dev@openoffice.apache.org
>     <ma...@openoffice.apache.org>>
>     *Cc:* Dennis Hamilton <dennis.hamilton@acm.org
>     <ma...@acm.org>>; Melissa Warnkin
>     <missywarnkin@yahoo.com <ma...@yahoo.com>>
>     *Sent:* Saturday, June 21, 2014 6:27 PM
> 
>     *Subject:* Re: Apache@ OSCON question
> 
> 
>     On Sat, Jun 21, 2014 at 3:22 PM, Andrea Pescetti
>     <pescetti@apache.org <ma...@apache.org>> wrote:
> 
>         Kay Schenk wrote:
> 
>             This is a very nice offer, Dennis
> 
> 
>         Thanks Dennis, indeed.
> 
> 
>             What was on these popular "pins" that have been used n the
>             past? Just the
>             gull logo or ??? It looks like we could get some 1" circle
>             pins very
>             inexpensively if this is the case.
> 
> 
>         You can see one of those pins at https://flic.kr/p/dsxSbi bottom
>         right. So yes, they had just the orb. We also had pins with a
>         different, tailor-cut, shape and the full logo.
> 
> 
>     ah! OK -- this is basically what I was thinking.
> 
>      
> 
> 
> 
>             I would be happy to cover the cost of  these and have them
>             shipped
>             to ASF headquarters in time for transport to OSCON.
> 
> 
>         Production costs are not a problem, since the project can
>         allocate budget as discussed several times here.
> 
> 
>             They wouldn't "say" anything with just our current flat
>             logo, but
>             they would be good I think.
> 
> 
>         Stickers are an option too, if you prefer... or we can make
>         both! The only difficult thing is that we need someone to take
>         care of taking specifications and adapting our logo to it. And
>         also to actually supervise production and shipping.
> 
>         Regards,
>           Andrea.
> 
> 
>     OK -- I thought since we have an svg of the logo, this would be
>     pretty easy...I'll look at some order sites again.  Hopefully, this
>     will be fairly easy to deal with. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> 
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> 
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Re: Apache@ OSCON question

Posted by Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com>.
A short update on this item.

200 buttons were ordered and Melissa has received them and will be
taking them on to OSCON.

Here is the link to the WackyButtons "product" if anyone wants to reuse
this 1" design --

http://www.wackybuttons.com/preview.php?display=show&dc1=3718704

There area some other options you can do with the "buttons" for the more
graphically adventurous. :) (You would need to submit a new design though.)

Melissa took a picture, in gull formation, of some of the buttons which
I'd like to upload somewhere along with this ordering information, but I
need some guidance from the marketing folks on location.

Thanks to all who helped make this little project for OSCON a reality.



On 06/24/2014 12:36 PM, Kay Schenk wrote:
> Melissa --
> 
> 200 1" AOO logo buttons will be mailed within the next 2 days to you, so
> I expect you should receive them by the end of the next week -- July 4
> for sure! THANK YOU SO MUCH for being our transport for this last minute
> request, and for the WackyButtons site -- easy to use and VERY
> inexpensive. We owe you!
> 
> 
> On Sun, Jun 22, 2014 at 9:13 AM, Melissa Warnkin <missywarnkin@yahoo.com
> <ma...@yahoo.com>> wrote:
> 
>     Good morning,
> 
>     Since we're talking about a compressed timeline, perhaps you want to
>     consider placing the orders through the vendors I use in the US?
> 
>     I order stickers from:  Sticker Mule,  Custom Sticker Printing -
>     Sticker Mule <http://www.stickermule.com/>.  They are very
>     professional and provide a very quick turnaround time.
>     	
>     Custom Sticker Printing - Sticker Mule <http://www.stickermule.com/>
>     Sticker Mule prints custom stickers, die cut stickers and laptop
>     skins. Prices start at $49 for 50. Free shipping.
>     	
>     View on www.stickermule.com <http://www.stickermule.com/>
>     	
>     Preview by Yahoo
> 
> 
>     Pins I get from:  Wacky Buttons,  Make Buttons | Pin Buttons |
>     Custom Buttons | Badge Pins | Pinback Buttons
>     <http://www.wackybuttons.com/>.  They are very professional and
>     provide a very quick turnaround time as well.
>     	
>     image <http://www.wackybuttons.com/>
>     	
>     	
>     Make Buttons | Pin Buttons | Custom Buttons | Badge Pin...
>     <http://www.wackybuttons.com/>
>     We sell pinback button badges and specialize in making custom
>     buttons. Create your own buttons online, Let us design them for
>     free, or choose from our lar...
>     	
>     View on www.wackybuttons.com <http://www.wackybuttons.com/>
>     	
>     Preview by Yahoo
> 
> 
>     Wherever you order from, you can use my address to ship the items to: 
> 
>     Melissa Warnkin
>     79 Bickel Road
>     Washington, NJ 07882
>     908.343.3214 <tel:908.343.3214>
> 
>     The items will be compact enough that I can even put them in my
>     luggage, if I had to!!
> 
>     Regarding the roll-up banner:  No, I do not have room at the booth
>     for that.  I've even eliminated sending the ASF vertical rollup due
>     to lack of space.
> 
>     I'll have room for leaflets since they're folded like this:  - A4
>     leaflets, in color (suitable b/w too) 11-flyers
>     <https://flic.kr/p/dSDcDC>
>     	
>     image <https://flic.kr/p/dSDcDC>
>     	
>     	
>     11-flyers <https://flic.kr/p/dSDcDC>
>     	
>     View on flic.kr <https://flic.kr/p/dSDcDC>
>     	
>     Preview by Yahoo
> 
>      
>     Just keep me advised on what's going on!!
> 
>     ~Melissa
>     ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>     *From:* Kay Schenk <kay.schenk@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>>
>     *To:* OOo Apache <dev@openoffice.apache.org
>     <ma...@openoffice.apache.org>>
>     *Cc:* Dennis Hamilton <dennis.hamilton@acm.org
>     <ma...@acm.org>>; Melissa Warnkin
>     <missywarnkin@yahoo.com <ma...@yahoo.com>>
>     *Sent:* Saturday, June 21, 2014 6:27 PM
> 
>     *Subject:* Re: Apache@ OSCON question
> 
> 
>     On Sat, Jun 21, 2014 at 3:22 PM, Andrea Pescetti
>     <pescetti@apache.org <ma...@apache.org>> wrote:
> 
>         Kay Schenk wrote:
> 
>             This is a very nice offer, Dennis
> 
> 
>         Thanks Dennis, indeed.
> 
> 
>             What was on these popular "pins" that have been used n the
>             past? Just the
>             gull logo or ??? It looks like we could get some 1" circle
>             pins very
>             inexpensively if this is the case.
> 
> 
>         You can see one of those pins at https://flic.kr/p/dsxSbi bottom
>         right. So yes, they had just the orb. We also had pins with a
>         different, tailor-cut, shape and the full logo.
> 
> 
>     ah! OK -- this is basically what I was thinking.
> 
>      
> 
> 
> 
>             I would be happy to cover the cost of  these and have them
>             shipped
>             to ASF headquarters in time for transport to OSCON.
> 
> 
>         Production costs are not a problem, since the project can
>         allocate budget as discussed several times here.
> 
> 
>             They wouldn't "say" anything with just our current flat
>             logo, but
>             they would be good I think.
> 
> 
>         Stickers are an option too, if you prefer... or we can make
>         both! The only difficult thing is that we need someone to take
>         care of taking specifications and adapting our logo to it. And
>         also to actually supervise production and shipping.
> 
>         Regards,
>           Andrea.
> 
> 
>     OK -- I thought since we have an svg of the logo, this would be
>     pretty easy...I'll look at some order sites again.  Hopefully, this
>     will be fairly easy to deal with. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> 
>     "What you can do, or dream you can do, begin it;
>      Boldness has genius, power and magic in it."
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> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
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> 
> "To be trusted is a greater compliment than being loved."
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Re: Apache@ OSCON question

Posted by Melissa Warnkin <mi...@yahoo.com.INVALID>.
Hi Kay,

Thanks for the heads up; I'll be on the lookout for the pins!!  YOU ARE SO WELCOME - 'tis my absolute pleasure....that's what I'm here for!!! Right?! - they are extremely easy to use, VERY inexpensive, great quality, and the turnaround time is fantastic!! I love this company!


Don't be silly - you don't owe me anything! This, my dear, is what TEAMWORK is all about!! :) I'm just delighted that it worked out for you and to be of assistance!

I'll send you a pic of your AOO pins rockin' out with me at the Apache booth!! :)

~M


________________________________
 From: Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com>
To: Melissa Warnkin <mi...@yahoo.com> 
Cc: OOo Apache <de...@openoffice.apache.org>; Dennis Hamilton <de...@acm.org> 
Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2014 3:36 PM
Subject: Re: Apache@ OSCON question
 


Melissa --


200 1" AOO logo buttons will be mailed within the next 2 days to you, so I expect you should receive them by the end of the next week -- July 4 for sure! THANK YOU SO MUCH for being our transport for this last minute request, and for the WackyButtons site -- easy to use and VERY inexpensive. We owe you!






On Sun, Jun 22, 2014 at 9:13 AM, Melissa Warnkin <mi...@yahoo.com> wrote:

Good morning,
>
>
>Since we're talking about a compressed timeline, perhaps you want to consider placing the orders through the vendors I use in the US?
>
>
>
>I order stickers from:  Sticker Mule,  Custom Sticker Printing - Sticker Mule.  They are very professional and provide a very quick turnaround time.
>
> 
> Custom Sticker Printing - Sticker Mule
>Sticker Mule prints custom stickers, die cut stickers and laptop skins. Prices start at $49 for 50. Free shipping.  
>View on www.stickermule.com Preview by Yahoo  
>
>
>Pins I get from:  Wacky Buttons,  Make Buttons | Pin Buttons | Custom Buttons | Badge Pins | Pinback Buttons.  They are very professional and provide a very quick turnaround time as well.
>
> 
>   Make Buttons | Pin Buttons | Custom Buttons | Badge Pin...
>We sell pinback button badges and specialize in making custom buttons. Create your own buttons online, Let us design them for free, or choose from our lar...  
>View on www.wackybuttons.com Preview by Yahoo  
>
>
>Wherever you order from, you can use my address to ship the items to:  
>
>
>
>Melissa Warnkin
>79 Bickel Road
>Washington, NJ 07882
>908.343.3214
>
>
>
>The items will be compact enough that I can even put them in my luggage, if I had to!!
>
>
>Regarding the roll-up banner:  No, I do not have room at the booth for that.  I've even eliminated sending the ASF vertical rollup due to lack of space.
>
>
>I'll have room for leaflets since they're folded like this:  - A4 leaflets, in color (suitable b/w too) 11-flyers
> 
>   11-flyers  
>View on flic.kr Preview by Yahoo  
>  
>
>Just keep me advised on what's going on!!
>
>
>~Melissa
>
>
>________________________________
> 
>From: Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com>
>To: OOo Apache <de...@openoffice.apache.org> 
>Cc: Dennis Hamilton <de...@acm.org>; Melissa Warnkin <mi...@yahoo.com> 
>Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2014 6:27 PM
>
>Subject: Re: Apache@ OSCON question
>
>
>
>
>
>On Sat, Jun 21, 2014 at 3:22 PM, Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>Kay Schenk wrote:
>>
>>This is a very nice offer, Dennis
>>>
>>
Thanks Dennis, indeed.
>>
>>
>>
>>What was on these popular "pins" that have been used n the past? Just the
>>>gull logo or ??? It looks like we could get some 1" circle pins very
>>>inexpensively if this is the case.
>>>
>>
You can see one of those pins at https://flic.kr/p/dsxSbi bottom right. So yes, they had just the orb. We also had pins with a different, tailor-cut, shape and the full logo.
>
>
>ah! OK -- this is basically what I was thinking.
>
> 
>
>
>>
>>
>>I would be happy to cover the cost of  these and have them shipped
>>>to ASF headquarters in time for transport to OSCON.
>>>
>>
Production costs are not a problem, since the project can allocate budget as discussed several times here.
>>
>>
>>
>>They wouldn't "say" anything with just our current flat logo, but
>>>they would be good I think.
>>>
>>
Stickers are an option too, if you prefer... or we can make both! The only difficult thing is that we need someone to take care of taking specifications and adapting our logo to it. And also to actually supervise production and shipping.
>>
>>Regards,
>>  Andrea.
>>
>
>
>OK -- I thought since we have an svg of the logo, this would be pretty easy...I'll look at some order sites again.  Hopefully, this will be fairly easy to deal with.  
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>
>
>
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Re: Apache@ OSCON question

Posted by Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com>.
Melissa --

200 1" AOO logo buttons will be mailed within the next 2 days to you, so I
expect you should receive them by the end of the next week -- July 4 for
sure! THANK YOU SO MUCH for being our transport for this last minute
request, and for the WackyButtons site -- easy to use and VERY inexpensive.
We owe you!


On Sun, Jun 22, 2014 at 9:13 AM, Melissa Warnkin <mi...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

> Good morning,
>
> Since we're talking about a compressed timeline, perhaps you want to
> consider placing the orders through the vendors I use in the US?
>
> I order stickers from:  Sticker Mule,  Custom Sticker Printing - Sticker
> Mule <http://www.stickermule.com/>.  They are very professional and
> provide a very quick turnaround time.
> Custom Sticker Printing - Sticker Mule <http://www.stickermule.com/>
> Sticker Mule prints custom stickers, die cut stickers and laptop skins.
> Prices start at $49 for 50. Free shipping.
> View on www.stickermule.com <http://www.stickermule.com/>
> Preview by Yahoo
>
> Pins I get from:  Wacky Buttons,  Make Buttons | Pin Buttons | Custom
> Buttons | Badge Pins | Pinback Buttons <http://www.wackybuttons.com/>.
> They are very professional and provide a very quick turnaround time as well.
> [image: image] <http://www.wackybuttons.com/>
> Make Buttons | Pin Buttons | Custom Buttons | Badge Pin...
> <http://www.wackybuttons.com/>
> We sell pinback button badges and specialize in making custom buttons.
> Create your own buttons online, Let us design them for free, or choose from
> our lar...
> View on www.wackybuttons.com <http://www.wackybuttons.com/>
> Preview by Yahoo
>
> Wherever you order from, you can use my address to ship the items to:
>
> Melissa Warnkin
> 79 Bickel Road
> Washington, NJ 07882
> 908.343.3214
>
> The items will be compact enough that I can even put them in my luggage,
> if I had to!!
>
> Regarding the roll-up banner:  No, I do not have room at the booth for
> that.  I've even eliminated sending the ASF vertical rollup due to lack of
> space.
>
> I'll have room for leaflets since they're folded like this:  - A4
> leaflets, in color (suitable b/w too) 11-flyers <https://flic.kr/p/dSDcDC>
> [image: image] <https://flic.kr/p/dSDcDC>
> 11-flyers <https://flic.kr/p/dSDcDC>
> View on flic.kr <https://flic.kr/p/dSDcDC>
> Preview by Yahoo
>
> Just keep me advised on what's going on!!
>
> ~Melissa
>   ------------------------------
>  *From:* Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com>
> *To:* OOo Apache <de...@openoffice.apache.org>
> *Cc:* Dennis Hamilton <de...@acm.org>; Melissa Warnkin <
> missywarnkin@yahoo.com>
> *Sent:* Saturday, June 21, 2014 6:27 PM
>
> *Subject:* Re: Apache@ OSCON question
>
>
> On Sat, Jun 21, 2014 at 3:22 PM, Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org>
> wrote:
>
> Kay Schenk wrote:
>
> This is a very nice offer, Dennis
>
>
> Thanks Dennis, indeed.
>
>
>  What was on these popular "pins" that have been used n the past? Just the
> gull logo or ??? It looks like we could get some 1" circle pins very
> inexpensively if this is the case.
>
>
> You can see one of those pins at https://flic.kr/p/dsxSbi bottom right.
> So yes, they had just the orb. We also had pins with a different,
> tailor-cut, shape and the full logo.
>
>
> ah! OK -- this is basically what I was thinking.
>
>
>
>
>
>  I would be happy to cover the cost of  these and have them shipped
> to ASF headquarters in time for transport to OSCON.
>
>
> Production costs are not a problem, since the project can allocate budget
> as discussed several times here.
>
>
>  They wouldn't "say" anything with just our current flat logo, but
> they would be good I think.
>
>
> Stickers are an option too, if you prefer... or we can make both! The only
> difficult thing is that we need someone to take care of taking
> specifications and adapting our logo to it. And also to actually supervise
> production and shipping.
>
> Regards,
>   Andrea.
>
>
> OK -- I thought since we have an svg of the logo, this would be pretty
> easy...I'll look at some order sites again.  Hopefully, this will be fairly
> easy to deal with.
>
>
>
>
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Re: Apache@ OSCON question

Posted by Melissa Warnkin <mi...@yahoo.com.INVALID>.
Hey Kay,

You are SO welcome, I'm sure!!

A delivery date of July 15th (to my residence) would be totally fine - I'll pack them in my luggage! 

Please let me know if you need further assistance, as I'd be more than happy to help!!

Have a great rest of your weekend!

~M



________________________________
 From: Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com>

To: Melissa Warnkin <mi...@yahoo.com> 
Cc: OOo Apache <de...@openoffice.apache.org>; Dennis Hamilton <de...@acm.org> 
Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2014 12:24 PM
Subject: Re: Apache@ OSCON question
 




On Sun, Jun 22, 2014 at 9:13 AM, Melissa Warnkin <mi...@yahoo.com> wrote:

Good morning,
>
>
>Since we're talking about a compressed timeline, perhaps you want to consider placing the orders through the vendors I use in the US?
>
>
>
>I order stickers from:  Sticker Mule,  Custom Sticker Printing - Sticker Mule.  They are very professional and provide a very quick turnaround time.
>
> 
> Custom Sticker Printing - Sticker Mule
>Sticker Mule prints custom stickers, die cut stickers and laptop skins. Prices start at $49 for 50. Free shipping.  
>View on www.stickermule.com Preview by Yahoo  
>
>
>Pins I get from:  Wacky Buttons,  Make Buttons | Pin Buttons | Custom Buttons | Badge Pins | Pinback Buttons.  They are very professional and provide a very quick turnaround time as well.
>
> 
>   Make Buttons | Pin Buttons | Custom Buttons | Badge Pin...
>We sell pinback button badges and specialize in making custom buttons. Create your own buttons online, Let us design them for free, or choose from our lar...  
>View on www.wackybuttons.com Preview by Yahoo  
>
>
>Wherever you order from, you can use my address to ship the items to:  
>
>
>
>Melissa Warnkin
>79 Bickel Road
>Washington, NJ 07882
>908.343.3214
>
>
>
>The items will be compact enough that I can even put them in my luggage, if I had to!!
>
>
>Regarding the roll-up banner:  No, I do not have room at the booth for that.  I've even eliminated sending the ASF vertical rollup due to lack of space.
>
>
>I'll have room for leaflets since they're folded like this:  - A4 leaflets, in color (suitable b/w too) 11-flyers
> 
>   11-flyers  
>View on flic.kr Preview by Yahoo  
>  
>
>Just keep me advised on what's going on!!
>
>
>~Melissa
>
 

Thank you SO much for this info.  We many only be talking buttons at this point. I'm targeting a deilivery of no later than July 15 to you for this.

 


>________________________________
> 
>From: Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com>
>To: OOo Apache <de...@openoffice.apache.org> 
>Cc: Dennis Hamilton <de...@acm.org>; Melissa Warnkin <mi...@yahoo.com> 
>Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2014 6:27 PM
>
>Subject: Re: Apache@ OSCON question
>
>
>
>
>
>On Sat, Jun 21, 2014 at 3:22 PM, Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>Kay Schenk wrote:
>>
>>This is a very nice offer, Dennis
>>>
>>
Thanks Dennis, indeed.
>>
>>
>>
>>What was on these popular "pins" that have been used n the past? Just the
>>>gull logo or ??? It looks like we could get some 1" circle pins very
>>>inexpensively if this is the case.
>>>
>>
You can see one of those pins at https://flic.kr/p/dsxSbi bottom right. So yes, they had just the orb. We also had pins with a different, tailor-cut, shape and the full logo.
>
>
>ah! OK -- this is basically what I was thinking.
>
> 
>
>
>>
>>
>>I would be happy to cover the cost of  these and have them shipped
>>>to ASF headquarters in time for transport to OSCON.
>>>
>>
Production costs are not a problem, since the project can allocate budget as discussed several times here.
>>
>>
>>
>>They wouldn't "say" anything with just our current flat logo, but
>>>they would be good I think.
>>>
>>
Stickers are an option too, if you prefer... or we can make both! The only difficult thing is that we need someone to take care of taking specifications and adapting our logo to it. And also to actually supervise production and shipping.
>>
>>Regards,
>>  Andrea.
>>
>
>
>OK -- I thought since we have an svg of the logo, this would be pretty easy...I'll look at some order sites again.  Hopefully, this will be fairly easy to deal with.  
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
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Re: Apache@ OSCON question

Posted by Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com>.
On Sun, Jun 22, 2014 at 9:13 AM, Melissa Warnkin <mi...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

> Good morning,
>
> Since we're talking about a compressed timeline, perhaps you want to
> consider placing the orders through the vendors I use in the US?
>
> I order stickers from:  Sticker Mule,  Custom Sticker Printing - Sticker
> Mule <http://www.stickermule.com/>.  They are very professional and
> provide a very quick turnaround time.
> Custom Sticker Printing - Sticker Mule <http://www.stickermule.com/>
> Sticker Mule prints custom stickers, die cut stickers and laptop skins.
> Prices start at $49 for 50. Free shipping.
> View on www.stickermule.com <http://www.stickermule.com/>
> Preview by Yahoo
>
> Pins I get from:  Wacky Buttons,  Make Buttons | Pin Buttons | Custom
> Buttons | Badge Pins | Pinback Buttons <http://www.wackybuttons.com/>.
> They are very professional and provide a very quick turnaround time as well.
> [image: image] <http://www.wackybuttons.com/>
> Make Buttons | Pin Buttons | Custom Buttons | Badge Pin...
> <http://www.wackybuttons.com/>
> We sell pinback button badges and specialize in making custom buttons.
> Create your own buttons online, Let us design them for free, or choose from
> our lar...
> View on www.wackybuttons.com <http://www.wackybuttons.com/>
> Preview by Yahoo
>
> Wherever you order from, you can use my address to ship the items to:
>
> Melissa Warnkin
> 79 Bickel Road
> Washington, NJ 07882
> 908.343.3214
>
> The items will be compact enough that I can even put them in my luggage,
> if I had to!!
>
> Regarding the roll-up banner:  No, I do not have room at the booth for
> that.  I've even eliminated sending the ASF vertical rollup due to lack of
> space.
>
> I'll have room for leaflets since they're folded like this:  - A4
> leaflets, in color (suitable b/w too) 11-flyers <https://flic.kr/p/dSDcDC>
> [image: image] <https://flic.kr/p/dSDcDC>
> 11-flyers <https://flic.kr/p/dSDcDC>
> View on flic.kr <https://flic.kr/p/dSDcDC>
> Preview by Yahoo
>
> Just keep me advised on what's going on!!
>
> ~Melissa
>


Thank you SO much for this info.  We many only be talking buttons at this
point. I'm targeting a deilivery of no later than July 15 to you for this.



>   ------------------------------
>  *From:* Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com>
> *To:* OOo Apache <de...@openoffice.apache.org>
> *Cc:* Dennis Hamilton <de...@acm.org>; Melissa Warnkin <
> missywarnkin@yahoo.com>
> *Sent:* Saturday, June 21, 2014 6:27 PM
>
> *Subject:* Re: Apache@ OSCON question
>
>
> On Sat, Jun 21, 2014 at 3:22 PM, Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org>
> wrote:
>
> Kay Schenk wrote:
>
> This is a very nice offer, Dennis
>
>
> Thanks Dennis, indeed.
>
>
>  What was on these popular "pins" that have been used n the past? Just the
> gull logo or ??? It looks like we could get some 1" circle pins very
> inexpensively if this is the case.
>
>
> You can see one of those pins at https://flic.kr/p/dsxSbi bottom right.
> So yes, they had just the orb. We also had pins with a different,
> tailor-cut, shape and the full logo.
>
>
> ah! OK -- this is basically what I was thinking.
>
>
>
>
>
>  I would be happy to cover the cost of  these and have them shipped
> to ASF headquarters in time for transport to OSCON.
>
>
> Production costs are not a problem, since the project can allocate budget
> as discussed several times here.
>
>
>  They wouldn't "say" anything with just our current flat logo, but
> they would be good I think.
>
>
> Stickers are an option too, if you prefer... or we can make both! The only
> difficult thing is that we need someone to take care of taking
> specifications and adapting our logo to it. And also to actually supervise
> production and shipping.
>
> Regards,
>   Andrea.
>
>
> OK -- I thought since we have an svg of the logo, this would be pretty
> easy...I'll look at some order sites again.  Hopefully, this will be fairly
> easy to deal with.
>
>
>
>
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>
> "What you can do, or dream you can do, begin it;
>  Boldness has genius, power and magic in it."
>                 -- attributed to Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
>
>
>
>
>
>


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 Boldness has genius, power and magic in it."
                -- attributed to Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

Re: Apache@ OSCON question

Posted by Melissa Warnkin <mi...@yahoo.com.INVALID>.
Good morning,

Since we're talking about a compressed timeline, perhaps you want to consider placing the orders through the vendors I use in the US?


I order stickers from:  Sticker Mule,  Custom Sticker Printing - Sticker Mule.  They are very professional and provide a very quick turnaround time.

 
 Custom Sticker Printing - Sticker Mule
Sticker Mule prints custom stickers, die cut stickers and laptop skins. Prices start at $49 for 50. Free shipping.  
View on www.stickermule.com Preview by Yahoo  

Pins I get from:  Wacky Buttons,  Make Buttons | Pin Buttons | Custom Buttons | Badge Pins | Pinback Buttons.  They are very professional and provide a very quick turnaround time as well.

 
   Make Buttons | Pin Buttons | Custom Buttons | Badge Pin...
We sell pinback button badges and specialize in making custom buttons. Create your own buttons online, Let us design them for free, or choose from our lar...  
View on www.wackybuttons.com Preview by Yahoo  

Wherever you order from, you can use my address to ship the items to:  


Melissa Warnkin
79 Bickel Road
Washington, NJ 07882
908.343.3214


The items will be compact enough that I can even put them in my luggage, if I had to!!

Regarding the roll-up banner:  No, I do not have room at the booth for that.  I've even eliminated sending the ASF vertical rollup due to lack of space.

I'll have room for leaflets since they're folded like this:  - A4 leaflets, in color (suitable b/w too) 11-flyers
 
   11-flyers  
View on flic.kr Preview by Yahoo  
  

Just keep me advised on what's going on!!

~Melissa


________________________________
 From: Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com>
To: OOo Apache <de...@openoffice.apache.org> 
Cc: Dennis Hamilton <de...@acm.org>; Melissa Warnkin <mi...@yahoo.com> 
Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2014 6:27 PM
Subject: Re: Apache@ OSCON question
 




On Sat, Jun 21, 2014 at 3:22 PM, Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org> wrote:

Kay Schenk wrote:
>
>This is a very nice offer, Dennis
>>
>
Thanks Dennis, indeed.
>
>
>
>What was on these popular "pins" that have been used n the past? Just the
>>gull logo or ??? It looks like we could get some 1" circle pins very
>>inexpensively if this is the case.
>>
>
You can see one of those pins at https://flic.kr/p/dsxSbi bottom right. So yes, they had just the orb. We also had pins with a different, tailor-cut, shape and the full logo.

ah! OK -- this is basically what I was thinking.

 


>
>
>I would be happy to cover the cost of  these and have them shipped
>>to ASF headquarters in time for transport to OSCON.
>>
>
Production costs are not a problem, since the project can allocate budget as discussed several times here.
>
>
>
>They wouldn't "say" anything with just our current flat logo, but
>>they would be good I think.
>>
>
Stickers are an option too, if you prefer... or we can make both! The only difficult thing is that we need someone to take care of taking specifications and adapting our logo to it. And also to actually supervise production and shipping.
>
>Regards,
>  Andrea.
>

OK -- I thought since we have an svg of the logo, this would be pretty easy...I'll look at some order sites again.  Hopefully, this will be fairly easy to deal with.  





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Re: Apache@ OSCON question

Posted by Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com>.
On Sat, Jun 21, 2014 at 3:22 PM, Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org>
wrote:

> Kay Schenk wrote:
>
>> This is a very nice offer, Dennis
>>
>
> Thanks Dennis, indeed.
>
>
>  What was on these popular "pins" that have been used n the past? Just the
>> gull logo or ??? It looks like we could get some 1" circle pins very
>> inexpensively if this is the case.
>>
>
> You can see one of those pins at https://flic.kr/p/dsxSbi bottom right.
> So yes, they had just the orb. We also had pins with a different,
> tailor-cut, shape and the full logo.


ah! OK -- this is basically what I was thinking.


>
>
>  I would be happy to cover the cost of  these and have them shipped
>> to ASF headquarters in time for transport to OSCON.
>>
>
> Production costs are not a problem, since the project can allocate budget
> as discussed several times here.
>
>
>  They wouldn't "say" anything with just our current flat logo, but
>> they would be good I think.
>>
>
> Stickers are an option too, if you prefer... or we can make both! The only
> difficult thing is that we need someone to take care of taking
> specifications and adapting our logo to it. And also to actually supervise
> production and shipping.
>
> Regards,
>   Andrea.
>

OK -- I thought since we have an svg of the logo, this would be pretty
easy...I'll look at some order sites again.  Hopefully, this will be fairly
easy to deal with.




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 Boldness has genius, power and magic in it."
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Re: Apache@ OSCON question

Posted by Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org>.
Kay Schenk wrote:
> This is a very nice offer, Dennis

Thanks Dennis, indeed.

> What was on these popular "pins" that have been used n the past? Just the
> gull logo or ??? It looks like we could get some 1" circle pins very
> inexpensively if this is the case.

You can see one of those pins at https://flic.kr/p/dsxSbi bottom right. 
So yes, they had just the orb. We also had pins with a different, 
tailor-cut, shape and the full logo.

> I would be happy to cover the cost of  these and have them shipped
> to ASF headquarters in time for transport to OSCON.

Production costs are not a problem, since the project can allocate 
budget as discussed several times here.

> They wouldn't "say" anything with just our current flat logo, but
> they would be good I think.

Stickers are an option too, if you prefer... or we can make both! The 
only difficult thing is that we need someone to take care of taking 
specifications and adapting our logo to it. And also to actually 
supervise production and shipping.

Regards,
   Andrea.

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Re: Apache@ OSCON question

Posted by Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com>.
On Sat, Jun 21, 2014 at 1:01 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton <dennis.hamilton@acm.org
> wrote:

> I am willing to make a day trip from Seattle to the OSCON Expo Hall.
> That is affordable for me and appealing if can meet ASF and
> especially AOO folks that I have not yet met in person.
>
> (I have started some work on change-
> tracking for which there might be discussion interest as well.)
>
> I don't follow the OpenOffice dev list these days.  It helps if I
> am CC-ed in any discussion there that is aided by my being at
> OSCON.
>
>
>  -- Dennis E. Hamilton
>     dennis.hamilton@acm.org    +1-206-779-9430
>     https://keybase.io/orcmid  PGP F96E 89FF D456 628A
>

This is a very nice offer, Dennis. It would be great to have an OpenOffice
rep there with Melissa and Shane.

Basically, Apache will be having a table at the upcoming OSCON in Portland.
Details on OSCON can be found at:

 http://www.oscon.com/oscon2014

When I discovered this a day or so ago via the Board report that was sent
on June 18, I sent a message to dev@community.apache.org asking about what
purpose the table served and if projects could/should contribute in some
way.

So, the Apache reps will be at the table the days the expo is open -- July
21-23.  Initially, I was under the impression we had some "treats" to
contribute but perhaps we don't currently.

OK, so the next question.

What was on these popular "pins" that have been used n the past? Just the
gull logo or ??? It looks like we could get some 1" circle pins very
inexpensively if this is the case. I would be happy to cover the cost of
these and have them shipped to ASF headquarters in time for transport to
OSCON. They wouldn't "say" anything with just our current flat logo, but
they would be good I think.



>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andrea Pescetti [mailto:pescetti@apache.org]
> Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2014 01:49
> To: dev@community.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Apache@ OSCON question
>
> Melissa Warnkin wrote:
> > I can make room on the table for pins.  When you refer to leaflet and
> > roll-up designs, what is that and how much real estate would they
> > take up?
>
> I'll explain better: physical objects are not available, meaning that
> either they haven't been printed yet or they are in Europe and it's
> unpractical to deliver them to OSCON in the US.
>
> This is why I focus on the "designs", since stuff would have to be
> reprinted anyway. We have designs available for:
> - A4 leaflets, in color (suitable b/w too) https://flic.kr/p/dSDcDC
> - A roll-up like this one, roughly 80x200cm: https://flic.kr/p/dSDcB5
> So for these two items the main issue is whether someone is attending
> FOSDEM and can print them.
>
> Pins with the OpenOffice logo used to be a quite successful giveaway
> that we could look into redesigning (we don't have the original files,
> but they had the old logo) and reprinting. Again, I don't know whether
> it makes sense to print stuff in Europe and ship it to the US... But Kay
> feel free to bring this to the OpenOffice dev list and we can find some
> ideas there, provided that someone is actually going to attend OSCON or
> the Expo Hall!
>
> Regards,
>    Andrea.
>
>


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 Boldness has genius, power and magic in it."
                -- attributed to Johann Wolfgang von Goethe