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Documentation of voting rules.
Hi.
I have just called for a vote on corinthia, and got a question about the
voting rules from the project.
I digged into the documentation, and all I can find is the fact that a vote
has to be called. I cannot find a definition of the vote (yes I can find
our general voting rules, but not which one applies in this case).
Can someone please point me towards a document where it is defined,
otherwise I suggest we change the documentation to make it clear.
Thanks in advance.
rgds
jan I.
Re: Documentation of voting rules.
Posted by Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>.
On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 6:31 PM, jan i <ja...@apache.org> wrote:
> ...So accepting a podling is a procedural vote, maybe that the word we should
> add to http://incubator.apache.org/guides/proposal.html#vote...
Yeah or maybe you can be even more precise and add "procedural as per
http://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html"
-Bertrand
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Re: Documentation of voting rules.
Posted by jan i <ja...@apache.org>.
On 3 December 2014 at 18:25, Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>
wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 6:17 PM, jan i <ja...@apache.org> wrote:
> > ...Personally I see it as any number of +1 and no -1, but again I still
> cannot
> > find the documentation...
>
> It's at http://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html
>
So accepting a podling is a procedural vote, maybe that the word we should
add to http://incubator.apache.org/guides/proposal.html#vote
I did not think of "procedural" in this connection, but looking in the back
mirror, of course it is.
thanks
jan i.
> -Bertrand
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Re: Documentation of voting rules.
Posted by Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>.
On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 6:17 PM, jan i <ja...@apache.org> wrote:
> ...Personally I see it as any number of +1 and no -1, but again I still cannot
> find the documentation...
It's at http://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html
-Bertrand
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Re: Documentation of voting rules.
Posted by jan i <ja...@apache.org>.
On 2 December 2014 at 18:32, Matt Franklin <m....@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue Dec 02 2014 at 12:25:33 PM Benson Margulies <bi...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Apache PMCs, including the incubator PMC, operate by consensus except
> > in a very small number of enumerated exceptional cases. So, the vote,
> > I think, is a test of consensus. -1 votes block consensus until
> > discussed to 0. There's no minimum number of +1 votes.
> >
>
> For releases, 3 +1s are a minimum. The convention I have seen consistently
> applied is that -1s only count as vetos on code commits. There is no rule
> that a -1 on a process or release vote constitutes a block; however, the
> community *should* discuss the concerns of the dissenters and try to come
> to better consensus.
>
I agree for releases, it clearly defined in the docs. But I dont think its
fair to say that accepting a podling is a release.
Personally I see it as any number of +1 and no -1, but again I still cannot
find the documentation.
rgds
jan i.
>
>
> >
> > I am always prepared to be corrected.
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 12:09 PM, jan i <ja...@apache.org> wrote:
> > > Hi.
> > >
> > > I have just called for a vote on corinthia, and got a question about
> the
> > > voting rules from the project.
> > >
> > > I digged into the documentation, and all I can find is the fact that a
> > vote
> > > has to be called. I cannot find a definition of the vote (yes I can
> find
> > > our general voting rules, but not which one applies in this case).
> > >
> > > Can someone please point me towards a document where it is defined,
> > > otherwise I suggest we change the documentation to make it clear.
> > >
> > > Thanks in advance.
> > > rgds
> > > jan I.
> >
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Re: Documentation of voting rules.
Posted by Matt Franklin <m....@gmail.com>.
On Tue Dec 02 2014 at 12:25:33 PM Benson Margulies <bi...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Apache PMCs, including the incubator PMC, operate by consensus except
> in a very small number of enumerated exceptional cases. So, the vote,
> I think, is a test of consensus. -1 votes block consensus until
> discussed to 0. There's no minimum number of +1 votes.
>
For releases, 3 +1s are a minimum. The convention I have seen consistently
applied is that -1s only count as vetos on code commits. There is no rule
that a -1 on a process or release vote constitutes a block; however, the
community *should* discuss the concerns of the dissenters and try to come
to better consensus.
>
> I am always prepared to be corrected.
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 12:09 PM, jan i <ja...@apache.org> wrote:
> > Hi.
> >
> > I have just called for a vote on corinthia, and got a question about the
> > voting rules from the project.
> >
> > I digged into the documentation, and all I can find is the fact that a
> vote
> > has to be called. I cannot find a definition of the vote (yes I can find
> > our general voting rules, but not which one applies in this case).
> >
> > Can someone please point me towards a document where it is defined,
> > otherwise I suggest we change the documentation to make it clear.
> >
> > Thanks in advance.
> > rgds
> > jan I.
>
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Re: Documentation of voting rules.
Posted by jan i <ja...@apache.org>.
On 2 December 2014 at 18:24, Benson Margulies <bi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Apache PMCs, including the incubator PMC, operate by consensus except
> in a very small number of enumerated exceptional cases. So, the vote,
> I think, is a test of consensus. -1 votes block consensus until
> discussed to 0. There's no minimum number of +1 votes.
>
That is also what I expect, but I would like to see it documented since we
have cases where we use majority vote, and cases (like podling releases)
where we demand minimum 3x +1.
rgds
jan i.
>
> I am always prepared to be corrected.
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 12:09 PM, jan i <ja...@apache.org> wrote:
> > Hi.
> >
> > I have just called for a vote on corinthia, and got a question about the
> > voting rules from the project.
> >
> > I digged into the documentation, and all I can find is the fact that a
> vote
> > has to be called. I cannot find a definition of the vote (yes I can find
> > our general voting rules, but not which one applies in this case).
> >
> > Can someone please point me towards a document where it is defined,
> > otherwise I suggest we change the documentation to make it clear.
> >
> > Thanks in advance.
> > rgds
> > jan I.
>
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Re: Documentation of voting rules.
Posted by Benson Margulies <bi...@gmail.com>.
Apache PMCs, including the incubator PMC, operate by consensus except
in a very small number of enumerated exceptional cases. So, the vote,
I think, is a test of consensus. -1 votes block consensus until
discussed to 0. There's no minimum number of +1 votes.
I am always prepared to be corrected.
On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 12:09 PM, jan i <ja...@apache.org> wrote:
> Hi.
>
> I have just called for a vote on corinthia, and got a question about the
> voting rules from the project.
>
> I digged into the documentation, and all I can find is the fact that a vote
> has to be called. I cannot find a definition of the vote (yes I can find
> our general voting rules, but not which one applies in this case).
>
> Can someone please point me towards a document where it is defined,
> otherwise I suggest we change the documentation to make it clear.
>
> Thanks in advance.
> rgds
> jan I.
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