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Posted to dev@oodt.apache.org by ke...@apache.org on 2014/07/31 17:33:06 UTC
OODT Roadmap Telecon
Folks:
Thanks for everyone for signing up at http://doodle.com/bi6g5rr8hukziqga to pick a time for an OODT Roadmap Teleconference.
Unfortunately, I've just received a reminder that discussion outside our mailing lists is frowned upon as not being part of "the Apache Way" (accountability and all that).
We could flaunt the policy and hold it anyway, but it might be better if we were good Apache citizens and stick to this mailing list.
Comments?
--k
Re: OODT Roadmap Telecon
Posted by Tom Barber <to...@meteorite.bi>.
Aye, I'll just second that.
My suggestion for the call was certainly not driven by a desire to
circumvent Apache procedure, ultimately everyone needs to be in
agreement and as such votes need to be carried out on the mailing lists.
But.... we have a bunch of very busy people on the dev@ lists & PMC and
getting a timely response out of people which allows for an ongoing
discussion is hard.
I'm hoping with the call we can agree on some stuff at a high level,
code quality, tests, overall roadmap/plan of action, release schedules,
builds, demos etc and then take all of that back to the mailing lists in
finer details on seperate threads that will keep those who are
interested in those specific bits better informed and give all of us
better guidance as to where the project is going.
Keep it up Sean, I for one don't care who you annoy! ;)
Tom
On 01/08/14 08:59, Lewis John Mcgibbney wrote:
> Hi Folks,
> BTW Sean, thank you for your persistence here...
> I shadow the statement that "decisions should not be made off list"... (not
> quoting anyone but myself!)
> A perfect example is the recent Usergrid IRC chat we had off list... which
> was ultimately shadowed to dev@.
> http://www.mail-archive.com/dev%40usergrid.incubator.apache.org/msg01082.html
> Everyone an anyone knows about it that is concerned.
> In all honesty, I think meet up online/offline(shadowed to dev@) is very
> healthy for OODT.
> Thanks for driving this forward.
> Lewis
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 1:50 PM, <ke...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> Thanks for that Chris. We'll go ahead and move forward with a roadmap
>> telecon.
>>
>> Based on the Doodle poll, then, the best time is Thursday, 2014-08-07 at
>> 17:00 UTC (12:00 eastern, 11:00 central, 09:00 pacific, 01:00 Japan).
>>
>> PLEASE MARK YOUR CALENDARS!
>>
>> I'll ask if we can use the board's line. If not, perhaps an employer or
>> another can volunteer one.
>>
>> Take care.
>> --k
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2014-07-31, at 12:43 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (3980) <
>> chris.a.mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Everyone,
>>>
>>> I don't think there is a problem with having discussions on a telecon.
>>> The key distinction is to NOT make decisions on those telecons. Decisions
>>> are made on the ASF mailing lists. However, people talk outside of the
>> list
>>> all of the time and it's not our goal to thwart all of those
>> opportunities.
>>> We also here at the ASF are all about "trust" and "caring" behind
>> people's
>>> intentions. Sean Kelly and Tom Barber have made every effort as far as I
>>> can
>>> tell to hold a Doodle poll, include people in multiple time zones, and
>> have
>>> a chance for a discussion in real time that is often not possible. I say,
>>> have
>>> the discussion. Decisions are made/recorded, and *acted on* via our ASF
>>> mailing
>>> lists. So, I would say, do so.
>>>
>>> And if you do all those things, and then just follow up, I personally
>> trust
>>> that you guys are doing the right thing and no one is doing anything
>>> nefarious here.
>>> Heck you have done a ton of things to discuss this telecon on the list,
>>> there are
>>> already several announcements of it, etc.
>>>
>>> I would for sure NOT get into the habit of doing this as the only modis
>>> operandi for
>>> communication but of course, no one is suggesting that.
>>>
>>> So, I would say, move forward, nothing much to see here. I will try my
>>> best to attend it
>>> but if I can't I trust you guys are doing the right thing and will take
>>> care of stuff
>>> on list as it should be.
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Chris
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: "kelly@apache.org" <ke...@apache.org>
>>> Reply-To: "dev@oodt.apache.org" <de...@oodt.apache.org>
>>> Date: Thursday, July 31, 2014 8:33 AM
>>> To: "dev@oodt.apache.org" <de...@oodt.apache.org>
>>> Subject: OODT Roadmap Telecon
>>>
>>>> Folks:
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for everyone for signing up at
>> http://doodle.com/bi6g5rr8hukziqga
>>>> to pick a time for an OODT Roadmap Teleconference.
>>>>
>>>> Unfortunately, I've just received a reminder that discussion outside our
>>>> mailing lists is frowned upon as not being part of "the Apache Way"
>>>> (accountability and all that).
>>>>
>>>> We could flaunt the policy and hold it anyway, but it might be better if
>>>> we were good Apache citizens and stick to this mailing list.
>>>>
>>>> Comments?
>>>> --k
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>
--
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Re: OODT Roadmap Telecon
Posted by Lewis John Mcgibbney <le...@gmail.com>.
Hi Folks,
BTW Sean, thank you for your persistence here...
I shadow the statement that "decisions should not be made off list"... (not
quoting anyone but myself!)
A perfect example is the recent Usergrid IRC chat we had off list... which
was ultimately shadowed to dev@.
http://www.mail-archive.com/dev%40usergrid.incubator.apache.org/msg01082.html
Everyone an anyone knows about it that is concerned.
In all honesty, I think meet up online/offline(shadowed to dev@) is very
healthy for OODT.
Thanks for driving this forward.
Lewis
On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 1:50 PM, <ke...@apache.org> wrote:
> Thanks for that Chris. We'll go ahead and move forward with a roadmap
> telecon.
>
> Based on the Doodle poll, then, the best time is Thursday, 2014-08-07 at
> 17:00 UTC (12:00 eastern, 11:00 central, 09:00 pacific, 01:00 Japan).
>
> PLEASE MARK YOUR CALENDARS!
>
> I'll ask if we can use the board's line. If not, perhaps an employer or
> another can volunteer one.
>
> Take care.
> --k
>
>
>
>
> On 2014-07-31, at 12:43 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (3980) <
> chris.a.mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
>
> > Hi Everyone,
> >
> > I don't think there is a problem with having discussions on a telecon.
> > The key distinction is to NOT make decisions on those telecons. Decisions
> > are made on the ASF mailing lists. However, people talk outside of the
> list
> > all of the time and it's not our goal to thwart all of those
> opportunities.
> > We also here at the ASF are all about "trust" and "caring" behind
> people's
> > intentions. Sean Kelly and Tom Barber have made every effort as far as I
> > can
> > tell to hold a Doodle poll, include people in multiple time zones, and
> have
> > a chance for a discussion in real time that is often not possible. I say,
> > have
> > the discussion. Decisions are made/recorded, and *acted on* via our ASF
> > mailing
> > lists. So, I would say, do so.
> >
> > And if you do all those things, and then just follow up, I personally
> trust
> > that you guys are doing the right thing and no one is doing anything
> > nefarious here.
> > Heck you have done a ton of things to discuss this telecon on the list,
> > there are
> > already several announcements of it, etc.
> >
> > I would for sure NOT get into the habit of doing this as the only modis
> > operandi for
> > communication but of course, no one is suggesting that.
> >
> > So, I would say, move forward, nothing much to see here. I will try my
> > best to attend it
> > but if I can't I trust you guys are doing the right thing and will take
> > care of stuff
> > on list as it should be.
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Chris
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: "kelly@apache.org" <ke...@apache.org>
> > Reply-To: "dev@oodt.apache.org" <de...@oodt.apache.org>
> > Date: Thursday, July 31, 2014 8:33 AM
> > To: "dev@oodt.apache.org" <de...@oodt.apache.org>
> > Subject: OODT Roadmap Telecon
> >
> >> Folks:
> >>
> >> Thanks for everyone for signing up at
> http://doodle.com/bi6g5rr8hukziqga
> >> to pick a time for an OODT Roadmap Teleconference.
> >>
> >> Unfortunately, I've just received a reminder that discussion outside our
> >> mailing lists is frowned upon as not being part of "the Apache Way"
> >> (accountability and all that).
> >>
> >> We could flaunt the policy and hold it anyway, but it might be better if
> >> we were good Apache citizens and stick to this mailing list.
> >>
> >> Comments?
> >> --k
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
>
>
--
*Lewis*
Re: OODT Roadmap Telecon
Posted by ke...@apache.org.
Thanks for that Chris. We'll go ahead and move forward with a roadmap telecon.
Based on the Doodle poll, then, the best time is Thursday, 2014-08-07 at 17:00 UTC (12:00 eastern, 11:00 central, 09:00 pacific, 01:00 Japan).
PLEASE MARK YOUR CALENDARS!
I'll ask if we can use the board's line. If not, perhaps an employer or another can volunteer one.
Take care.
--k
On 2014-07-31, at 12:43 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (3980) <ch...@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
> Hi Everyone,
>
> I don't think there is a problem with having discussions on a telecon.
> The key distinction is to NOT make decisions on those telecons. Decisions
> are made on the ASF mailing lists. However, people talk outside of the list
> all of the time and it's not our goal to thwart all of those opportunities.
> We also here at the ASF are all about "trust" and "caring" behind people's
> intentions. Sean Kelly and Tom Barber have made every effort as far as I
> can
> tell to hold a Doodle poll, include people in multiple time zones, and have
> a chance for a discussion in real time that is often not possible. I say,
> have
> the discussion. Decisions are made/recorded, and *acted on* via our ASF
> mailing
> lists. So, I would say, do so.
>
> And if you do all those things, and then just follow up, I personally trust
> that you guys are doing the right thing and no one is doing anything
> nefarious here.
> Heck you have done a ton of things to discuss this telecon on the list,
> there are
> already several announcements of it, etc.
>
> I would for sure NOT get into the habit of doing this as the only modis
> operandi for
> communication but of course, no one is suggesting that.
>
> So, I would say, move forward, nothing much to see here. I will try my
> best to attend it
> but if I can't I trust you guys are doing the right thing and will take
> care of stuff
> on list as it should be.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Cheers,
> Chris
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "kelly@apache.org" <ke...@apache.org>
> Reply-To: "dev@oodt.apache.org" <de...@oodt.apache.org>
> Date: Thursday, July 31, 2014 8:33 AM
> To: "dev@oodt.apache.org" <de...@oodt.apache.org>
> Subject: OODT Roadmap Telecon
>
>> Folks:
>>
>> Thanks for everyone for signing up at http://doodle.com/bi6g5rr8hukziqga
>> to pick a time for an OODT Roadmap Teleconference.
>>
>> Unfortunately, I've just received a reminder that discussion outside our
>> mailing lists is frowned upon as not being part of "the Apache Way"
>> (accountability and all that).
>>
>> We could flaunt the policy and hold it anyway, but it might be better if
>> we were good Apache citizens and stick to this mailing list.
>>
>> Comments?
>> --k
>>
>>
>>
>
Re: OODT Roadmap Telecon
Posted by "Mattmann, Chris A (3980)" <ch...@jpl.nasa.gov>.
Hi Everyone,
I don't think there is a problem with having discussions on a telecon.
The key distinction is to NOT make decisions on those telecons. Decisions
are made on the ASF mailing lists. However, people talk outside of the list
all of the time and it's not our goal to thwart all of those opportunities.
We also here at the ASF are all about "trust" and "caring" behind people's
intentions. Sean Kelly and Tom Barber have made every effort as far as I
can
tell to hold a Doodle poll, include people in multiple time zones, and have
a chance for a discussion in real time that is often not possible. I say,
have
the discussion. Decisions are made/recorded, and *acted on* via our ASF
mailing
lists. So, I would say, do so.
And if you do all those things, and then just follow up, I personally trust
that you guys are doing the right thing and no one is doing anything
nefarious here.
Heck you have done a ton of things to discuss this telecon on the list,
there are
already several announcements of it, etc.
I would for sure NOT get into the habit of doing this as the only modis
operandi for
communication but of course, no one is suggesting that.
So, I would say, move forward, nothing much to see here. I will try my
best to attend it
but if I can't I trust you guys are doing the right thing and will take
care of stuff
on list as it should be.
Thanks.
Cheers,
Chris
-----Original Message-----
From: "kelly@apache.org" <ke...@apache.org>
Reply-To: "dev@oodt.apache.org" <de...@oodt.apache.org>
Date: Thursday, July 31, 2014 8:33 AM
To: "dev@oodt.apache.org" <de...@oodt.apache.org>
Subject: OODT Roadmap Telecon
>Folks:
>
>Thanks for everyone for signing up at http://doodle.com/bi6g5rr8hukziqga
>to pick a time for an OODT Roadmap Teleconference.
>
>Unfortunately, I've just received a reminder that discussion outside our
>mailing lists is frowned upon as not being part of "the Apache Way"
>(accountability and all that).
>
>We could flaunt the policy and hold it anyway, but it might be better if
>we were good Apache citizens and stick to this mailing list.
>
>Comments?
>--k
>
>
>
Re: OODT Roadmap Telecon
Posted by "Ramirez, Paul M (398J)" <pa...@jpl.nasa.gov>.
Sounds good. Maybe we should start a release discussion thread. That would help us map out what we're doing and maybe drive a discussion of what's next.
--Paul
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jul 31, 2014, at 8:33 AM, "kelly@apache.org" <ke...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> Folks:
>
> Thanks for everyone for signing up at http://doodle.com/bi6g5rr8hukziqga to pick a time for an OODT Roadmap Teleconference.
>
> Unfortunately, I've just received a reminder that discussion outside our mailing lists is frowned upon as not being part of "the Apache Way" (accountability and all that).
>
> We could flaunt the policy and hold it anyway, but it might be better if we were good Apache citizens and stick to this mailing list.
>
> Comments?
> --k
>
>
>