Post on the geronimo list

[Remy Maucherat <re...@apache.org>]

I saw this nice post on the Geronimo list, and I feel insulted.

 > Two full-blown articles on the topic is forthcoming in the coming 
weeks.  I want
 >to take the time and care necessary to convey my various points in the 
most
 > positive and constructive way I can.  I'll send a link to this list 
and to the
 > Tomcat list when it's published.

and

<quote>
JBoss does not embed Tomcat.  They bolt it onto the side of their 
server--this
is not the same thing.  If they say it is, they are either misleading you or
they are honestly wrong.  I know enough about Marketecture to safely say 
this.
I've also read their source code, and I know how it works.  Again, watch 
for the
articles ; )

As far as "competitive advantages" go, once people get a taste of Geronimo's
configuration and distribution features, once they understand what IoC-3
Components and GBeans buy them, they're never going to want to develop for
anything else.  Order-of-magnitude performance gains not included, I 
think the
JBoss server is in serious trouble and I would hate to be holding ten 
million
dollars of debt on my shoulders riding in *that* boat.  The configuration
advantages alone will challenge the way we think about application 
development.

Yeah, they set the bar really high around here.  I got a couple of 
nosebleeds
trying to get over it.  I'm sure the JBoss guys'll start seeing similar 
problems
when they sit down to implement JSR-77.
</quote>

I feel inflamatory articles, FUD, and nonsense is a very unproductive 
way to interact (given your latest fine article on the ASF, I see you 
have a habit of taking people hostage using that method), and, given 
that, my answer to any of your proposals is very simple: no (aka, -1).
As for the apparently marvellous G experience, we'll see and let the 
market decide. Quite frankly, you sound like an Avalon fan turned bad.

Rémy


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Re: Post on the geronimo list

[Henri Gomez <hg...@apache.org>]

Remy Maucherat wrote:

> I saw this nice post on the Geronimo list, and I feel insulted.

Remy,

It seems these ASF new-comers (geronimo) need too learn a little
about modesty.

For now JBoss is the leader and Geronimo is still in the limb
since there is NO official release.

Users will decide themself if Geronimo is greater than JBoss
when Geronimo will be available.

If they continue in such direction (flams/injures),
we'll have to send strong notice to Board since this kind
of discussions as nothing to do in ASF and between ASF peoples.






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Re: Post on the geronimo list

[Peter Lin <tc...@yahoo.com>]

 
can't wait to read more FUD articles proclaiming they're the savor of the world.
 
I think I'll keep plugging along until the rubber hits the tires and some real traction is observed.
 
peter


Remy Maucherat <re...@apache.org> wrote:
I saw this nice post on the Geronimo list, and I feel insulted.

> Two full-blown articles on the topic is forthcoming in the coming 
weeks. I want
>to take the time and care necessary to convey my various points in the 
most
> positive and constructive way I can. I'll send a link to this list 
and to the
> Tomcat list when it's published.

and


JBoss does not embed Tomcat. They bolt it onto the side of their 
server--this
is not the same thing. If they say it is, they are either misleading you or
they are honestly wrong. I know enough about Marketecture to safely say 
this.
I've also read their source code, and I know how it works. Again, watch 
for the
articles ; )

As far as "competitive advantages" go, once people get a taste of Geronimo's
configuration and distribution features, once they understand what IoC-3
Components and GBeans buy them, they're never going to want to develop for
anything else. Order-of-magnitude performance gains not included, I 
think the
JBoss server is in serious trouble and I would hate to be holding ten 
million
dollars of debt on my shoulders riding in *that* boat. The configuration
advantages alone will challenge the way we think about application 
development.

Yeah, they set the bar really high around here. I got a couple of 
nosebleeds
trying to get over it. I'm sure the JBoss guys'll start seeing similar 
problems
when they sit down to implement JSR-77.


I feel inflamatory articles, FUD, and nonsense is a very unproductive 
way to interact (given your latest fine article on the ASF, I see you 
have a habit of taking people hostage using that method), and, given 
that, my answer to any of your proposals is very simple: no (aka, -1).
As for the apparently marvellous G experience, we'll see and let the 
market decide. Quite frankly, you sound like an Avalon fan turned bad.

R�my


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