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Re: [PROPOSAL] Zeta Components - Further comments?
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Hi all,
I updated the proposal to reflect the objections regarding the
infrastructure. Our questions regarding the import of our SVN history
has been cleared.
Are there further comments, suggestions, objections?
Thanks a lot for your feedback,
regards,
Toby
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Re: [PROPOSAL] Zeta Components - Further comments?
Posted by Niclas Hedhman <ni...@hedhman.org>.
On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 6:28 PM, Tobias Schlitt <to...@schlitt.info> wrote:
> I actually expected that some mentors would volunteer during the
> discussion here.
Yes, that is normally the case... Question is whether people feel too
over-committed, and we have a short-fall of Mentors.
I would love to, but definitely don't have the cycles...
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Re: [PROPOSAL] Zeta Components - Further comments?
Posted by Christian Grobmeier <gr...@gmail.com>.
> I actually expected that some mentors would volunteer during the
> discussion here. The incubator docs state that "Mentors are chosen by
> the Sponsor". I assumed that the Incubator PMC would be our sponsor. Is
> there a certain process we need to trigger, like asking the Incubator
> PMC for sponsoring or asking for mentors on the list?
Usually interested IPMC members volunteer on the proposal phase. As
already said, I would like to join up, but I am not on the IPMC. I
have asked for addition, but didn't receive a response ont this. Maybe
I can join up after my vacation next week :-)
Christian
>
> Regards,
> Toby
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Re: [PROPOSAL] Zeta Components - Further comments?
Posted by Tobias Schlitt <to...@schlitt.info>.
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Hi Leo,
On 04/23/2010 12:40 AM, Leo Simons wrote:
> On 4/22/10 10:21 AM, Tobias Schlitt wrote:
>> I updated the proposal to reflect the objections regarding the
>> infrastructure. Our questions regarding the import of our SVN history
>> has been cleared.
>>
>> Are there further comments, suggestions, objections?
> Very nicely written proposal, well done! Looks like an interesting
> project to bring into the apache fold - some more PHP sounds like a good
> idea :)
thanks, that sounds very motivating. :)
> It looks like you now need to sign up some mentors after which your
> proposal would be ready for a vote.
I actually expected that some mentors would volunteer during the
discussion here. The incubator docs state that "Mentors are chosen by
the Sponsor". I assumed that the Incubator PMC would be our sponsor. Is
there a certain process we need to trigger, like asking the Incubator
PMC for sponsoring or asking for mentors on the list?
Regards,
Toby
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Re: [PROPOSAL] Zeta Components - Further comments?
Posted by Leo Simons <ma...@leosimons.com>.
On 4/22/10 10:21 AM, Tobias Schlitt wrote:
> I updated the proposal to reflect the objections regarding the
> infrastructure. Our questions regarding the import of our SVN history
> has been cleared.
>
> Are there further comments, suggestions, objections?
Very nicely written proposal, well done! Looks like an interesting
project to bring into the apache fold - some more PHP sounds like a good
idea :)
It looks like you now need to sign up some mentors after which your
proposal would be ready for a vote.
cheers,
Leo
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Re: [PROPOSAL] Zeta Components - Further comments?
Posted by Christian Grobmeier <gr...@gmail.com>.
Hi,
it sounds good, I have no more objections. On CI, lets see how it works out :-)
Cheers!
Christian
On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 1:55 PM, Tobias Schlitt <to...@schlitt.info> wrote:
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> Hi Christian,
>
> On 04/22/2010 12:30 PM, Christian Grobmeier wrote:
>
>>> I updated the proposal to reflect the objections regarding the
>>> infrastructure. Our questions regarding the import of our SVN history
>>> has been cleared.
>>> Are there further comments, suggestions, objections?
>>
>> I read it again and like the update. Only:
>>
>> "Required Resources
>>
>> The current project infrastructure is hosted by eZ Systems, but this
>> should change. The project can be fully hosted on its own servers,
>> sponsored by some of the core contributors. However, for reliability
>> reasons, there are some services which we would want to have hosted by
>> the ASF"
>>
>> I find a little confusing meanwhile - i think its outdated but are
>> there any other services we need to speak off?
>> If SVN, Hudson, Jira and the Website is hosted on ASF servers then all
>> critical services are there and the paragraph can be rephrased. I know
>> you plan to run an own CI server - but is there any other stuff?
>
> Thanks for the hint. I rephrased this section to clear it up.
>
> We require inside ASF:
>
> - - SVN
> - - mailinglists
> - - issue tracker
> - - website
>
> The CI stuff is secondary to get started, since we will also have
> external CI. We can take care of that as soon as we are incubated, I think.
>
> Regards,
> Toby
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Re: [PROPOSAL] Zeta Components - Further comments?
Posted by Kore Nordmann <ma...@kore-nordmann.de>.
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On 22/04/10 16:27, Tobias Schlitt wrote:
> I think we should do that on the builds@ list later, since I'm not sure
> how to exactly do CI with our stuff in ASF environment, yet. We have a
> custom test suite, based on PHPUnit, and require some PHP extensions to
> be available for testing certain features and other stuff.
Not to mention the database "requirements", since in the optimal case
the suite is run against the following database management systems:
- - sqlite
- - postgresql
- - oracle
- - mysql
(- mssql)
This is kind of hard to accomplish, so I would also to suggest to
discuss the details later. As said before, this isn't really a
requirement anyways, since it can always be run of the shelf.
Kore.
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Re: [PROPOSAL] Zeta Components - Further comments?
Posted by Tobias Schlitt <to...@schlitt.info>.
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Hi,
On 04/22/2010 02:43 PM, Gav... wrote:
>> <snip>
>
> The CI stuff is secondary to get started, since we will also have
> external CI. We can take care of that as soon as we are incubated, I
> think.
>
>> Incubation periods vary, it could be 3 months, 6, a year, two, no one
>> knows for sure.
>> Certainly not a blocker for starting incubation though. Once incubation
>> has started, you can detail all your CI needs to the builds@ list and
>> we'll see what can be done, or you can detail them now and I can give
>> you an idea.
I think we should do that on the builds@ list later, since I'm not sure
how to exactly do CI with our stuff in ASF environment, yet. We have a
custom test suite, based on PHPUnit, and require some PHP extensions to
be available for testing certain features and other stuff.
Thanks for the offer. :)
Cheers,
Toby
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RE: [PROPOSAL] Zeta Components - Further comments?
Posted by "Gav..." <ga...@16degrees.com.au>.
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> From: Tobias Schlitt [mailto:tobias@schlitt.info]
> Sent: Thursday, 22 April 2010 9:55 PM
> To: general@incubator.apache.org
> Cc: Christian Grobmeier
> Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Zeta Components - Further comments?
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<snip>
> The CI stuff is secondary to get started, since we will also have
> external CI. We can take care of that as soon as we are incubated, I
> think.
Incubation periods vary, it could be 3 months, 6, a year, two, no one
knows for sure.
Certainly not a blocker for starting incubation though. Once incubation
has started, you can detail all your CI needs to the builds@ list and
we'll see what can be done, or you can detail them now and I can give
you an idea.
Gav...
>
> Regards,
> Toby
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Re: [PROPOSAL] Zeta Components - Further comments?
Posted by Tobias Schlitt <to...@schlitt.info>.
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Hi Christian,
On 04/22/2010 12:30 PM, Christian Grobmeier wrote:
>> I updated the proposal to reflect the objections regarding the
>> infrastructure. Our questions regarding the import of our SVN history
>> has been cleared.
>> Are there further comments, suggestions, objections?
>
> I read it again and like the update. Only:
>
> "Required Resources
>
> The current project infrastructure is hosted by eZ Systems, but this
> should change. The project can be fully hosted on its own servers,
> sponsored by some of the core contributors. However, for reliability
> reasons, there are some services which we would want to have hosted by
> the ASF"
>
> I find a little confusing meanwhile - i think its outdated but are
> there any other services we need to speak off?
> If SVN, Hudson, Jira and the Website is hosted on ASF servers then all
> critical services are there and the paragraph can be rephrased. I know
> you plan to run an own CI server - but is there any other stuff?
Thanks for the hint. I rephrased this section to clear it up.
We require inside ASF:
- - SVN
- - mailinglists
- - issue tracker
- - website
The CI stuff is secondary to get started, since we will also have
external CI. We can take care of that as soon as we are incubated, I think.
Regards,
Toby
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Re: [PROPOSAL] Zeta Components - Further comments?
Posted by Christian Grobmeier <gr...@gmail.com>.
Hi,
> I updated the proposal to reflect the objections regarding the
> infrastructure. Our questions regarding the import of our SVN history
> has been cleared.
> Are there further comments, suggestions, objections?
I read it again and like the update. Only:
"Required Resources
The current project infrastructure is hosted by eZ Systems, but this
should change. The project can be fully hosted on its own servers,
sponsored by some of the core contributors. However, for reliability
reasons, there are some services which we would want to have hosted by
the ASF"
I find a little confusing meanwhile - i think its outdated but are
there any other services we need to speak off?
If SVN, Hudson, Jira and the Website is hosted on ASF servers then all
critical services are there and the paragraph can be rephrased. I know
you plan to run an own CI server - but is there any other stuff?
Best regards,
Christian
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