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Posted to dev@cocoon.apache.org by Robert Simmons <de...@arcor.de> on 2003/10/18 23:22:05 UTC
New CVS?
Lets face it, CVS is an OLD product. Furthermore, the development of CVS is
almost dead having few releases in recent years. At least this is my opinion.
What I am doing in polling the community of open source developers as to what
they think. I am seriously considering starting a project to replace CVS using
Java technology in the way that Ant has virtually replaced make as a build
utility (for good reason).
I am curious about the following questions:
1) What do you think about the idea?
2) What lessons do you think can be learned from CVS? Things done badly, not
done at all, etc.
3) What features in CVS do you believe should be deprecated and why?
4) What features would you like to see in a replacement to CVS that currently
are not available in CVS?
And for the Apache Folk:
5) Would you consider this an interesting project for ASF?
I look forward to your answers and comments.
-- Kraythe
Re: New CVS?
Posted by Robert Simmons <de...@arcor.de>.
I didnt know about that one. The page is an interesting read but they do a
pretty good job of keepign a low profile. Maybe Im just too embedded in jakarta
stuff. =) At any rate, one of the things I am tryint to avoid are many of the
things that C suffers from. Principally a lack of easy extensibility. One othe
the things about Java is the ease of extension due to interfaces and proper
extension point architectures.
The Eclipse project is the real mentor here. The architecture of eclipse is
phenominally easy to extend and enhance.
However it would make a good research site.
-- Robert
"Erik Bruchez" <er...@bruchez.org> wrote in message
news:3F91B24A.60808@bruchez.org...
> There is already an open source CVS replacement project that is progressing
> quite well and should reach 1.0 in the next few months:
>
> http://subversion.tigris.org/
>
> It is not written in Java, but if you are looking for a list of what's wrong
> with CVS and how to fix it, the Subversion site is the place to start.
>
> -Erik
>
> Robert Simmons wrote:
>
> > Lets face it, CVS is an OLD product. Furthermore, the development of CVS is
> > almost dead having few releases in recent years. At least this is my
opinion.
> >
> > What I am doing in polling the community of open source developers as to
what
> > they think. I am seriously considering starting a project to replace CVS
using
> > Java technology in the way that Ant has virtually replaced make as a build
> > utility (for good reason).
> >
> > I am curious about the following questions:
> >
> > 1) What do you think about the idea?
> >
> > 2) What lessons do you think can be learned from CVS? Things done badly, not
> > done at all, etc.
> >
> > 3) What features in CVS do you believe should be deprecated and why?
> >
> > 4) What features would you like to see in a replacement to CVS that
currently
> > are not available in CVS?
> >
> > And for the Apache Folk:
> >
> > 5) Would you consider this an interesting project for ASF?
> >
> > I look forward to your answers and comments.
> >
> > -- Kraythe
>
>
>
Re: New CVS?
Posted by Erik Bruchez <er...@bruchez.org>.
There is already an open source CVS replacement project that is progressing
quite well and should reach 1.0 in the next few months:
http://subversion.tigris.org/
It is not written in Java, but if you are looking for a list of what's wrong
with CVS and how to fix it, the Subversion site is the place to start.
-Erik
Robert Simmons wrote:
> Lets face it, CVS is an OLD product. Furthermore, the development of CVS is
> almost dead having few releases in recent years. At least this is my opinion.
>
> What I am doing in polling the community of open source developers as to what
> they think. I am seriously considering starting a project to replace CVS using
> Java technology in the way that Ant has virtually replaced make as a build
> utility (for good reason).
>
> I am curious about the following questions:
>
> 1) What do you think about the idea?
>
> 2) What lessons do you think can be learned from CVS? Things done badly, not
> done at all, etc.
>
> 3) What features in CVS do you believe should be deprecated and why?
>
> 4) What features would you like to see in a replacement to CVS that currently
> are not available in CVS?
>
> And for the Apache Folk:
>
> 5) Would you consider this an interesting project for ASF?
>
> I look forward to your answers and comments.
>
> -- Kraythe
Re: New CVS?
Posted by Nicola Ken Barozzi <ni...@apache.org>.
Robert Simmons wrote:
> Such hostility to Java on a Java newsgroup ... weird.
I think it's more about hostility to recreating things on an opensource
software list. Reuse is much appreciated in opensource.
--
Nicola Ken Barozzi nicolaken@apache.org
- verba volant, scripta manent -
(discussions get forgotten, just code remains)
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Re: New CVS?
Posted by Robert Simmons <de...@arcor.de>.
Such hostility to Java on a Java newsgroup ... weird.
-- Kraythe
"Matt Sergeant" <ma...@sergeant.org> wrote in message
news:6AE32ED5-01C2-11D8-8618-000393DA6672@sergeant.org...
> On 18 Oct 2003, at 22:22, Robert Simmons wrote:
>
> > What I am doing in polling the community of open source developers as
> > to what
> > they think. I am seriously considering starting a project to replace
> > CVS using
> > Java technology in the way that Ant has virtually replaced make as a
> > build
> > utility (for good reason).
>
> What has Java got to do with this? Forget your language focus. The
> problems with CVS (and they are many) are nothing whatsoever to do with
> the language it is written in.
>
> What you are looking for is possibly Arch, or Subversion, or OpenCM, or
> Aegis.
>
> None are Java projects, but then neither is Java.
>
> My recommendation is to look at Arch. It's not perfect yet, but it
> seems to have all the right ideas.
>
> Matt.`
>
>
Re: New CVS?
Posted by Matt Sergeant <ma...@sergeant.org>.
On 18 Oct 2003, at 22:22, Robert Simmons wrote:
> What I am doing in polling the community of open source developers as
> to what
> they think. I am seriously considering starting a project to replace
> CVS using
> Java technology in the way that Ant has virtually replaced make as a
> build
> utility (for good reason).
What has Java got to do with this? Forget your language focus. The
problems with CVS (and they are many) are nothing whatsoever to do with
the language it is written in.
What you are looking for is possibly Arch, or Subversion, or OpenCM, or
Aegis.
None are Java projects, but then neither is Java.
My recommendation is to look at Arch. It's not perfect yet, but it
seems to have all the right ideas.
Matt.`