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JAMES Projects on Hudson

Hi all,

I finally received an account for the hudson webui to setup our
projects. The result is here:

http://hudson.zones.apache.org/hudson/view/James/

The projects get builded once a day if nothing change in SVN. Hudson
polls the SVN-Server every 10 minutes for changes, if changes are
detected it rebuild the project. Hope this works for you.

At the moment mailet-crypto-trunk fails because of missing
activation.jar in the classpath, maybe someone find the time to have
look. 
Postage fails because of missing james-2.3 path. Maybe we have to find
some better way to handle this or have to remove postage-trunk from
hudson. 

If someone else of the PMC wants an account feel free to reopen
INFRA-1685 ( https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-1685) and ask
for some account. I'm sure Nigel will be more then happy to create one.


Cheers,
Norman


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Re: JAMES Projects on Hudson

Posted by Robert Burrell Donkin <ro...@gmail.com>.
On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 2:42 PM, Robert Burrell Donkin
<ro...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 1:18 PM, Norman Maurer <no...@apache.org> wrote:
>> Am Sonntag, den 27.07.2008, 14:06 +0200 schrieb Stefano Bagnara:
>>> Robert Burrell Donkin ha scritto:
>>> > On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 8:35 AM, Robert Burrell Donkin
>>> > <ro...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >> On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 7:49 AM, Norman Maurer <no...@apache.org> wrote:
>>> >>> Hi all,
>>> >>>
>>> >>> I finally received an account for the hudson webui to setup our
>>> >>> projects. The result is here:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> http://hudson.zones.apache.org/hudson/view/James/
>>> >> great - thanks :-)
>>> >>
>>> >>> The projects get builded once a day if nothing change in SVN. Hudson
>>> >>> polls the SVN-Server every 10 minutes for changes, if changes are
>>> >>> detected it rebuild the project. Hope this works for you.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> At the moment mailet-crypto-trunk fails because of missing
>>> >>> activation.jar in the classpath, maybe someone find the time to have
>>> >>> look.
>>> >> ATM eclipse crashes ever 60 seconds but once i've found a fix, i'll take a look
>>> >
>>> > i'm a little confused: a clean checkout builds fine for me :-/
>>> >
>>> > ideas?
>>>
>>> Didn't check it, but it could be something related to JVM version.
>>> Activation is bundled in java 6 but not in previous java, so if we don't
>>> include it in classpath it will anyway build with java 6 but not with
>>> java 2 1.4.
>>>
>>> Stefano
>>>
>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Maybe thats the cause.. I use 1.5 for bulding projects in hudson..
>
> yes - that's the problem
>
> hope to have a fix sometime soon

should be fixed now

- robert

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Re: JAMES Projects on Hudson

Posted by Robert Burrell Donkin <ro...@gmail.com>.
On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 1:18 PM, Norman Maurer <no...@apache.org> wrote:
> Am Sonntag, den 27.07.2008, 14:06 +0200 schrieb Stefano Bagnara:
>> Robert Burrell Donkin ha scritto:
>> > On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 8:35 AM, Robert Burrell Donkin
>> > <ro...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 7:49 AM, Norman Maurer <no...@apache.org> wrote:
>> >>> Hi all,
>> >>>
>> >>> I finally received an account for the hudson webui to setup our
>> >>> projects. The result is here:
>> >>>
>> >>> http://hudson.zones.apache.org/hudson/view/James/
>> >> great - thanks :-)
>> >>
>> >>> The projects get builded once a day if nothing change in SVN. Hudson
>> >>> polls the SVN-Server every 10 minutes for changes, if changes are
>> >>> detected it rebuild the project. Hope this works for you.
>> >>>
>> >>> At the moment mailet-crypto-trunk fails because of missing
>> >>> activation.jar in the classpath, maybe someone find the time to have
>> >>> look.
>> >> ATM eclipse crashes ever 60 seconds but once i've found a fix, i'll take a look
>> >
>> > i'm a little confused: a clean checkout builds fine for me :-/
>> >
>> > ideas?
>>
>> Didn't check it, but it could be something related to JVM version.
>> Activation is bundled in java 6 but not in previous java, so if we don't
>> include it in classpath it will anyway build with java 6 but not with
>> java 2 1.4.
>>
>> Stefano
>>
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> Maybe thats the cause.. I use 1.5 for bulding projects in hudson..

yes - that's the problem

hope to have a fix sometime soon

- robert

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Re: JAMES Projects on Hudson

Posted by Norman Maurer <no...@apache.org>.
Am Sonntag, den 27.07.2008, 14:06 +0200 schrieb Stefano Bagnara:
> Robert Burrell Donkin ha scritto:
> > On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 8:35 AM, Robert Burrell Donkin
> > <ro...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 7:49 AM, Norman Maurer <no...@apache.org> wrote:
> >>> Hi all,
> >>>
> >>> I finally received an account for the hudson webui to setup our
> >>> projects. The result is here:
> >>>
> >>> http://hudson.zones.apache.org/hudson/view/James/
> >> great - thanks :-)
> >>
> >>> The projects get builded once a day if nothing change in SVN. Hudson
> >>> polls the SVN-Server every 10 minutes for changes, if changes are
> >>> detected it rebuild the project. Hope this works for you.
> >>>
> >>> At the moment mailet-crypto-trunk fails because of missing
> >>> activation.jar in the classpath, maybe someone find the time to have
> >>> look.
> >> ATM eclipse crashes ever 60 seconds but once i've found a fix, i'll take a look
> > 
> > i'm a little confused: a clean checkout builds fine for me :-/
> > 
> > ideas?
> 
> Didn't check it, but it could be something related to JVM version. 
> Activation is bundled in java 6 but not in previous java, so if we don't 
> include it in classpath it will anyway build with java 6 but not with 
> java 2 1.4.
> 
> Stefano
> 
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
Maybe thats the cause.. I use 1.5 for bulding projects in hudson..

bye
Norman


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Re: JAMES Projects on Hudson

Posted by Stefano Bagnara <ap...@bago.org>.
Robert Burrell Donkin ha scritto:
> On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 8:35 AM, Robert Burrell Donkin
> <ro...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 7:49 AM, Norman Maurer <no...@apache.org> wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I finally received an account for the hudson webui to setup our
>>> projects. The result is here:
>>>
>>> http://hudson.zones.apache.org/hudson/view/James/
>> great - thanks :-)
>>
>>> The projects get builded once a day if nothing change in SVN. Hudson
>>> polls the SVN-Server every 10 minutes for changes, if changes are
>>> detected it rebuild the project. Hope this works for you.
>>>
>>> At the moment mailet-crypto-trunk fails because of missing
>>> activation.jar in the classpath, maybe someone find the time to have
>>> look.
>> ATM eclipse crashes ever 60 seconds but once i've found a fix, i'll take a look
> 
> i'm a little confused: a clean checkout builds fine for me :-/
> 
> ideas?

Didn't check it, but it could be something related to JVM version. 
Activation is bundled in java 6 but not in previous java, so if we don't 
include it in classpath it will anyway build with java 6 but not with 
java 2 1.4.

Stefano

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Re: JAMES Projects on Hudson

Posted by Robert Burrell Donkin <ro...@gmail.com>.
On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 8:35 AM, Robert Burrell Donkin
<ro...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 7:49 AM, Norman Maurer <no...@apache.org> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I finally received an account for the hudson webui to setup our
>> projects. The result is here:
>>
>> http://hudson.zones.apache.org/hudson/view/James/
>
> great - thanks :-)
>
>> The projects get builded once a day if nothing change in SVN. Hudson
>> polls the SVN-Server every 10 minutes for changes, if changes are
>> detected it rebuild the project. Hope this works for you.
>>
>> At the moment mailet-crypto-trunk fails because of missing
>> activation.jar in the classpath, maybe someone find the time to have
>> look.
>
> ATM eclipse crashes ever 60 seconds but once i've found a fix, i'll take a look

i'm a little confused: a clean checkout builds fine for me :-/

ideas?

- robert

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Re: JAMES Projects on Hudson

Posted by Robert Burrell Donkin <ro...@gmail.com>.
On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 7:49 AM, Norman Maurer <no...@apache.org> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I finally received an account for the hudson webui to setup our
> projects. The result is here:
>
> http://hudson.zones.apache.org/hudson/view/James/

great - thanks :-)

> The projects get builded once a day if nothing change in SVN. Hudson
> polls the SVN-Server every 10 minutes for changes, if changes are
> detected it rebuild the project. Hope this works for you.
>
> At the moment mailet-crypto-trunk fails because of missing
> activation.jar in the classpath, maybe someone find the time to have
> look.

ATM eclipse crashes ever 60 seconds but once i've found a fix, i'll take a look

> Postage fails because of missing james-2.3 path. Maybe we have to find
> some better way to handle this or have to remove postage-trunk from
> hudson.

+1

- robert

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Re: JAMES Projects on Hudson

Posted by Robert Burrell Donkin <ro...@gmail.com>.
On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 7:49 AM, Norman Maurer <no...@apache.org> wrote:
> Hi all,

<snip>

> Postage fails because of missing james-2.3 path. Maybe we have to find
> some better way to handle this or have to remove postage-trunk from
> hudson.

refactoring postage to remove that dependency may be difficult

- robert

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Re: JAMES Projects on Hudson

Posted by Stefano Bagnara <ap...@bago.org>.
Norman Maurer ha scritto:
> Am Sonntag, den 27.07.2008, 22:20 +0200 schrieb Stefano Bagnara:
>> Norman Maurer ha scritto:
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I finally received an account for the hudson webui to setup our
>>> projects. The result is here:
>>>
>>> http://hudson.zones.apache.org/hudson/view/James/
>> mi*n*e4j-trunk ? ;-)
>> I'd fix it but I don't have an account yet...
> 
> Fat fingers... Fixed it ;-)
> 
>>> The projects get builded once a day if nothing change in SVN. Hudson
>>> polls the SVN-Server every 10 minutes for changes, if changes are
>>> detected it rebuild the project. Hope this works for you.
>> That's fine!
>> Is there any mailing list notification?
> 
> I not enabled it yet because I wanted to talk about it first on ml.
> MAybe we should add a new ml for the notifications so we don't flood the
> dev list ?

Hudson also supports notifications to the person who did the svn commit 
breaking the build.

I never used it, but it simply add notifications to the "svn 
name"@apache.org, so it should work for us.

This way notification is sent to the people that is currently working 
there and does not pollute mailing list.

Often when I deal with refactorings I make many small commits without 
testing locally because I know hudson will check my work in few minutes 
and I can work on the next issue while hudson work. This lead to many 
success/failure cycles and we could have many public notifications 
boring others committer, so the "personal" notifications seems a good 
plan...

Unfortunately user notifications are not user-configurable, so either we 
enable it for all users committing to a project or we don't.

WDYT?

Stefano

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Re: JAMES Projects on Hudson

Posted by Robert Burrell Donkin <ro...@gmail.com>.
On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 6:35 PM, Stefano Bagnara <ap...@bago.org> wrote:
> Robert Burrell Donkin ha scritto:
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 5:27 PM, Norman Maurer <no...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Am Montag, den 04.08.2008, 18:13 +0200 schrieb Stefano Bagnara:
>>>>
>>>> Robert Burrell Donkin ha scritto:
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Aug 3, 2008 at 1:16 PM, Stefano Bagnara <ap...@bago.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Robert Burrell Donkin ha scritto:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 7/28/08, Norman Maurer <no...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Am Sonntag, den 27.07.2008, 22:20 +0200 schrieb Stefano Bagnara:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Is there any mailing list notification?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I not enabled it yet because I wanted to talk about it first on ml.
>>>>>>>> MAybe we should add a new ml for the notifications so we don't flood
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> dev list ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Providing that mail is only sent on failure, I think this list should
>>>>>>> be ok. If we need to reduce traffic all the admin stuff (commits,
>>>>>>> JIRA
>>>>>>> etc) should be moved together. We've had 600ish messages this month
>>>>>>> so
>>>>>>> maybe that's worth considering.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Moving "admin stuff" to a separate list could help not loosing
>>>>>> important
>>>>>> discussion and procedural threads between svn committs and JIRA
>>>>>> updates.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On the other hand we tend to mix discussions in JIRA and the mailing
>>>>>> list so
>>>>>> we should agree on the way to deal with it before planning a switch,
>>>>>> IMHO.
>>>>>
>>>>> set an appropriate reply-to usually works ok for most clients
>>>>
>>>> My concern was about discussions happening via JIRA comments, they would
>>>> not go through the discussion list, but only the admin list. Currently a
>>>> JIRA comment is the substitute for a mailing list post. If we move JIRA
>>>> notifications to an admin list beside svn comments they will loose
>>>> visibility to developers not subscribed to the notification list.
>>>>
>>>>>> If only JIRA could track mailing list messages having its identifiers
>>>>>> in the
>>>>>> subject the same way it deals with svn commit I would be happy to move
>>>>>> all
>>>>>> discussions out of JIRA, but ATM I think slow discussions about
>>>>>> specific
>>>>>> issues are better handled in JIRA because they are better organized
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> tracked and they serve as future reference when people will look at
>>>>>> the same
>>>>>> issue again in the next years. We have experience of issues discussed
>>>>>> multiple times and open since years.
>>>>>
>>>>> might be worth raising this on infra
>>>>
>>>> I searched the internet. I see that a similar plugin does not exists.
>>>> There is a JIRA-NNTP bridge, but there is no NNTP server for ASF lists,
>>>> so it is not an option. Weird, indeed, I thought it was something more
>>>> used/requested around the world.
>>>>
>>>>>> Maybe we could move svn commits and the notifications to their own
>>>>>> list as a
>>>>>> first step while keep JIRAs on server-dev... WDYT?
>>>>>
>>>>> fine by me
>>>>
>>>> What is the list name used by other projects in this cases?
>>>> notifications@james.a.o?
>>>>
>>>> Stefano
>>>
>>> What about raising a jia feature request ? This sounds like something
>>> wich could be interessting for more people...
>>
>> +1
>>
>> apache has good contacts at atlassian
>
> What's the way to make this contacts work? Who should we talk to?
>
> I don't believe that a feature request from me in the "JIRA's JIRA" will
> have any chance to produce something useful, unless we have a different
> path....

ask on infrastructure :-)

- robert

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Re: JAMES Projects on Hudson

Posted by Stefano Bagnara <ap...@bago.org>.
Norman Maurer ha scritto:
> Am Montag, den 04.08.2008, 19:35 +0200 schrieb Stefano Bagnara:
>> Robert Burrell Donkin ha scritto:
>>> On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 5:27 PM, Norman Maurer <no...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>> Am Montag, den 04.08.2008, 18:13 +0200 schrieb Stefano Bagnara:
>>>>> Robert Burrell Donkin ha scritto:
>>>>>> On Sun, Aug 3, 2008 at 1:16 PM, Stefano Bagnara <ap...@bago.org> wrote:
>>>>>>> If only JIRA could track mailing list messages having its identifiers in the
>>>>>>> subject the same way it deals with svn commit I would be happy to move all
>>>>>>> discussions out of JIRA, but ATM I think slow discussions about specific
>>>>>>> issues are better handled in JIRA because they are better organized and
>>>>>>> tracked and they serve as future reference when people will look at the same
>>>>>>> issue again in the next years. We have experience of issues discussed
>>>>>>> multiple times and open since years.
>>>>>> might be worth raising this on infra
>>>>> I searched the internet. I see that a similar plugin does not exists.
>>>>> There is a JIRA-NNTP bridge, but there is no NNTP server for ASF lists,
>>>>> so it is not an option. Weird, indeed, I thought it was something more
>>>>> used/requested around the world.
>>>>>
>>>> What about raising a jia feature request ? This sounds like something
>>>> wich could be interessting for more people...
>>> +1
>>>
>>> apache has good contacts at atlassian
>> What's the way to make this contacts work? Who should we talk to?
>>
>> I don't believe that a feature request from me in the "JIRA's JIRA" will 
>> have any chance to produce something useful, unless we have a different 
>> path....
>>
>> Stefano
> 
> I will try to talk with James Dumay..

Great! :-)

Stefano

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Re: JAMES Projects on Hudson

Posted by Norman Maurer <no...@apache.org>.
Am Montag, den 04.08.2008, 19:35 +0200 schrieb Stefano Bagnara:
> Robert Burrell Donkin ha scritto:
> > On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 5:27 PM, Norman Maurer <no...@apache.org> wrote:
> >> Am Montag, den 04.08.2008, 18:13 +0200 schrieb Stefano Bagnara:
> >>> Robert Burrell Donkin ha scritto:
> >>>> On Sun, Aug 3, 2008 at 1:16 PM, Stefano Bagnara <ap...@bago.org> wrote:
> >>>>> Robert Burrell Donkin ha scritto:
> >>>>>> On 7/28/08, Norman Maurer <no...@apache.org> wrote:
> >>>>>>> Am Sonntag, den 27.07.2008, 22:20 +0200 schrieb Stefano Bagnara:
> >>>>>>>> Is there any mailing list notification?
> >>>>>>> I not enabled it yet because I wanted to talk about it first on ml.
> >>>>>>> MAybe we should add a new ml for the notifications so we don't flood the
> >>>>>>> dev list ?
> >>>>>> Providing that mail is only sent on failure, I think this list should
> >>>>>> be ok. If we need to reduce traffic all the admin stuff (commits, JIRA
> >>>>>> etc) should be moved together. We've had 600ish messages this month so
> >>>>>> maybe that's worth considering.
> >>>>> Moving "admin stuff" to a separate list could help not loosing important
> >>>>> discussion and procedural threads between svn committs and JIRA updates.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On the other hand we tend to mix discussions in JIRA and the mailing list so
> >>>>> we should agree on the way to deal with it before planning a switch, IMHO.
> >>>> set an appropriate reply-to usually works ok for most clients
> >>> My concern was about discussions happening via JIRA comments, they would
> >>> not go through the discussion list, but only the admin list. Currently a
> >>> JIRA comment is the substitute for a mailing list post. If we move JIRA
> >>> notifications to an admin list beside svn comments they will loose
> >>> visibility to developers not subscribed to the notification list.
> >>>
> >>>>> If only JIRA could track mailing list messages having its identifiers in the
> >>>>> subject the same way it deals with svn commit I would be happy to move all
> >>>>> discussions out of JIRA, but ATM I think slow discussions about specific
> >>>>> issues are better handled in JIRA because they are better organized and
> >>>>> tracked and they serve as future reference when people will look at the same
> >>>>> issue again in the next years. We have experience of issues discussed
> >>>>> multiple times and open since years.
> >>>> might be worth raising this on infra
> >>> I searched the internet. I see that a similar plugin does not exists.
> >>> There is a JIRA-NNTP bridge, but there is no NNTP server for ASF lists,
> >>> so it is not an option. Weird, indeed, I thought it was something more
> >>> used/requested around the world.
> >>>
> >>>>> Maybe we could move svn commits and the notifications to their own list as a
> >>>>> first step while keep JIRAs on server-dev... WDYT?
> >>>> fine by me
> >>> What is the list name used by other projects in this cases?
> >>> notifications@james.a.o?
> >>>
> >>> Stefano
> >> What about raising a jia feature request ? This sounds like something
> >> wich could be interessting for more people...
> > 
> > +1
> > 
> > apache has good contacts at atlassian
> 
> What's the way to make this contacts work? Who should we talk to?
> 
> I don't believe that a feature request from me in the "JIRA's JIRA" will 
> have any chance to produce something useful, unless we have a different 
> path....
> 
> Stefano

I will try to talk with James Dumay..

Bye
Norman


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Re: JAMES Projects on Hudson

Posted by Stefano Bagnara <ap...@bago.org>.
Robert Burrell Donkin ha scritto:
> On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 5:27 PM, Norman Maurer <no...@apache.org> wrote:
>> Am Montag, den 04.08.2008, 18:13 +0200 schrieb Stefano Bagnara:
>>> Robert Burrell Donkin ha scritto:
>>>> On Sun, Aug 3, 2008 at 1:16 PM, Stefano Bagnara <ap...@bago.org> wrote:
>>>>> Robert Burrell Donkin ha scritto:
>>>>>> On 7/28/08, Norman Maurer <no...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>> Am Sonntag, den 27.07.2008, 22:20 +0200 schrieb Stefano Bagnara:
>>>>>>>> Is there any mailing list notification?
>>>>>>> I not enabled it yet because I wanted to talk about it first on ml.
>>>>>>> MAybe we should add a new ml for the notifications so we don't flood the
>>>>>>> dev list ?
>>>>>> Providing that mail is only sent on failure, I think this list should
>>>>>> be ok. If we need to reduce traffic all the admin stuff (commits, JIRA
>>>>>> etc) should be moved together. We've had 600ish messages this month so
>>>>>> maybe that's worth considering.
>>>>> Moving "admin stuff" to a separate list could help not loosing important
>>>>> discussion and procedural threads between svn committs and JIRA updates.
>>>>>
>>>>> On the other hand we tend to mix discussions in JIRA and the mailing list so
>>>>> we should agree on the way to deal with it before planning a switch, IMHO.
>>>> set an appropriate reply-to usually works ok for most clients
>>> My concern was about discussions happening via JIRA comments, they would
>>> not go through the discussion list, but only the admin list. Currently a
>>> JIRA comment is the substitute for a mailing list post. If we move JIRA
>>> notifications to an admin list beside svn comments they will loose
>>> visibility to developers not subscribed to the notification list.
>>>
>>>>> If only JIRA could track mailing list messages having its identifiers in the
>>>>> subject the same way it deals with svn commit I would be happy to move all
>>>>> discussions out of JIRA, but ATM I think slow discussions about specific
>>>>> issues are better handled in JIRA because they are better organized and
>>>>> tracked and they serve as future reference when people will look at the same
>>>>> issue again in the next years. We have experience of issues discussed
>>>>> multiple times and open since years.
>>>> might be worth raising this on infra
>>> I searched the internet. I see that a similar plugin does not exists.
>>> There is a JIRA-NNTP bridge, but there is no NNTP server for ASF lists,
>>> so it is not an option. Weird, indeed, I thought it was something more
>>> used/requested around the world.
>>>
>>>>> Maybe we could move svn commits and the notifications to their own list as a
>>>>> first step while keep JIRAs on server-dev... WDYT?
>>>> fine by me
>>> What is the list name used by other projects in this cases?
>>> notifications@james.a.o?
>>>
>>> Stefano
>> What about raising a jia feature request ? This sounds like something
>> wich could be interessting for more people...
> 
> +1
> 
> apache has good contacts at atlassian

What's the way to make this contacts work? Who should we talk to?

I don't believe that a feature request from me in the "JIRA's JIRA" will 
have any chance to produce something useful, unless we have a different 
path....

Stefano

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Re: JAMES Projects on Hudson

Posted by Robert Burrell Donkin <ro...@gmail.com>.
On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 5:27 PM, Norman Maurer <no...@apache.org> wrote:
> Am Montag, den 04.08.2008, 18:13 +0200 schrieb Stefano Bagnara:
>> Robert Burrell Donkin ha scritto:
>> > On Sun, Aug 3, 2008 at 1:16 PM, Stefano Bagnara <ap...@bago.org> wrote:
>> >> Robert Burrell Donkin ha scritto:
>> >>> On 7/28/08, Norman Maurer <no...@apache.org> wrote:
>> >>>> Am Sonntag, den 27.07.2008, 22:20 +0200 schrieb Stefano Bagnara:
>> >>>>> Is there any mailing list notification?
>> >>>> I not enabled it yet because I wanted to talk about it first on ml.
>> >>>> MAybe we should add a new ml for the notifications so we don't flood the
>> >>>> dev list ?
>> >>> Providing that mail is only sent on failure, I think this list should
>> >>> be ok. If we need to reduce traffic all the admin stuff (commits, JIRA
>> >>> etc) should be moved together. We've had 600ish messages this month so
>> >>> maybe that's worth considering.
>> >> Moving "admin stuff" to a separate list could help not loosing important
>> >> discussion and procedural threads between svn committs and JIRA updates.
>> >>
>> >> On the other hand we tend to mix discussions in JIRA and the mailing list so
>> >> we should agree on the way to deal with it before planning a switch, IMHO.
>> >
>> > set an appropriate reply-to usually works ok for most clients
>>
>> My concern was about discussions happening via JIRA comments, they would
>> not go through the discussion list, but only the admin list. Currently a
>> JIRA comment is the substitute for a mailing list post. If we move JIRA
>> notifications to an admin list beside svn comments they will loose
>> visibility to developers not subscribed to the notification list.
>>
>> >> If only JIRA could track mailing list messages having its identifiers in the
>> >> subject the same way it deals with svn commit I would be happy to move all
>> >> discussions out of JIRA, but ATM I think slow discussions about specific
>> >> issues are better handled in JIRA because they are better organized and
>> >> tracked and they serve as future reference when people will look at the same
>> >> issue again in the next years. We have experience of issues discussed
>> >> multiple times and open since years.
>> >
>> > might be worth raising this on infra
>>
>> I searched the internet. I see that a similar plugin does not exists.
>> There is a JIRA-NNTP bridge, but there is no NNTP server for ASF lists,
>> so it is not an option. Weird, indeed, I thought it was something more
>> used/requested around the world.
>>
>> >> Maybe we could move svn commits and the notifications to their own list as a
>> >> first step while keep JIRAs on server-dev... WDYT?
>> >
>> > fine by me
>>
>> What is the list name used by other projects in this cases?
>> notifications@james.a.o?
>>
>> Stefano
>
> What about raising a jia feature request ? This sounds like something
> wich could be interessting for more people...

+1

apache has good contacts at atlassian

- robert

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Re: JAMES Projects on Hudson

Posted by Norman Maurer <no...@apache.org>.
Am Montag, den 04.08.2008, 18:13 +0200 schrieb Stefano Bagnara:
> Robert Burrell Donkin ha scritto:
> > On Sun, Aug 3, 2008 at 1:16 PM, Stefano Bagnara <ap...@bago.org> wrote:
> >> Robert Burrell Donkin ha scritto:
> >>> On 7/28/08, Norman Maurer <no...@apache.org> wrote:
> >>>> Am Sonntag, den 27.07.2008, 22:20 +0200 schrieb Stefano Bagnara:
> >>>>> Is there any mailing list notification?
> >>>> I not enabled it yet because I wanted to talk about it first on ml.
> >>>> MAybe we should add a new ml for the notifications so we don't flood the
> >>>> dev list ?
> >>> Providing that mail is only sent on failure, I think this list should
> >>> be ok. If we need to reduce traffic all the admin stuff (commits, JIRA
> >>> etc) should be moved together. We've had 600ish messages this month so
> >>> maybe that's worth considering.
> >> Moving "admin stuff" to a separate list could help not loosing important
> >> discussion and procedural threads between svn committs and JIRA updates.
> >>
> >> On the other hand we tend to mix discussions in JIRA and the mailing list so
> >> we should agree on the way to deal with it before planning a switch, IMHO.
> > 
> > set an appropriate reply-to usually works ok for most clients
> 
> My concern was about discussions happening via JIRA comments, they would 
> not go through the discussion list, but only the admin list. Currently a 
> JIRA comment is the substitute for a mailing list post. If we move JIRA 
> notifications to an admin list beside svn comments they will loose 
> visibility to developers not subscribed to the notification list.
> 
> >> If only JIRA could track mailing list messages having its identifiers in the
> >> subject the same way it deals with svn commit I would be happy to move all
> >> discussions out of JIRA, but ATM I think slow discussions about specific
> >> issues are better handled in JIRA because they are better organized and
> >> tracked and they serve as future reference when people will look at the same
> >> issue again in the next years. We have experience of issues discussed
> >> multiple times and open since years.
> > 
> > might be worth raising this on infra
> 
> I searched the internet. I see that a similar plugin does not exists. 
> There is a JIRA-NNTP bridge, but there is no NNTP server for ASF lists, 
> so it is not an option. Weird, indeed, I thought it was something more 
> used/requested around the world.
> 
> >> Maybe we could move svn commits and the notifications to their own list as a
> >> first step while keep JIRAs on server-dev... WDYT?
> > 
> > fine by me
> 
> What is the list name used by other projects in this cases?
> notifications@james.a.o?
> 
> Stefano

What about raising a jia feature request ? This sounds like something
wich could be interessting for more people...


Cheers,
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Re: notification/commit list (was: JAMES Projects on Hudson)

Posted by Robert Burrell Donkin <ro...@gmail.com>.
On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 7:06 PM, Stefano Bagnara <ap...@bago.org> wrote:
> Robert Burrell Donkin ha scritto:
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 5:13 PM, Stefano Bagnara <ap...@bago.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Robert Burrell Donkin ha scritto:
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Aug 3, 2008 at 1:16 PM, Stefano Bagnara <ap...@bago.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Robert Burrell Donkin ha scritto:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 7/28/08, Norman Maurer <no...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Am Sonntag, den 27.07.2008, 22:20 +0200 schrieb Stefano Bagnara:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Is there any mailing list notification?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I not enabled it yet because I wanted to talk about it first on ml.
>>>>>>> MAybe we should add a new ml for the notifications so we don't flood
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> dev list ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Providing that mail is only sent on failure, I think this list should
>>>>>> be ok. If we need to reduce traffic all the admin stuff (commits, JIRA
>>>>>> etc) should be moved together. We've had 600ish messages this month so
>>>>>> maybe that's worth considering.
>>>>>
>>>>> Moving "admin stuff" to a separate list could help not loosing
>>>>> important
>>>>> discussion and procedural threads between svn committs and JIRA
>>>>> updates.
>>>>>
>>>>> On the other hand we tend to mix discussions in JIRA and the mailing
>>>>> list
>>>>> so
>>>>> we should agree on the way to deal with it before planning a switch,
>>>>> IMHO.
>>>>
>>>> set an appropriate reply-to usually works ok for most clients
>>>
>>> My concern was about discussions happening via JIRA comments, they would
>>> not
>>> go through the discussion list, but only the admin list. Currently a JIRA
>>> comment is the substitute for a mailing list post. If we move JIRA
>>> notifications to an admin list beside svn comments they will loose
>>> visibility to developers not subscribed to the notification list.
>>
>> makes sense
>>
>>>>> Maybe we could move svn commits and the notifications to their own list
>>>>> as a
>>>>> first step while keep JIRAs on server-dev... WDYT?
>>>>
>>>> fine by me
>>>
>>> What is the list name used by other projects in this cases?
>>> notifications@james.a.o?
>>
>> probably commits. see http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/
>
> commits is the most common (hundreds of them). Then I see 9 "notifications"
> lists.
>
> It seems we agree on this. What is the procedure? Should we open a proposal
> thread so more people will be aware of this discussion?

for a new mailing list, it's best to have a VOTE

> I prefer "notifications@" because we'll put there more than commits but I'm
> fine with "commits@" too.

i'd recommend a POLL: the idea is to gauge support for various
alternatives so that it's possible to call a good binary VOTE. see
below for example

- robert

<example>
[POLL] Development Mailing Lists

Please cross as many as you like!

---8<---------------------------------------------
[ ] Leave My Lists Alone!
[ ] Send commits and reminders to notifications@
[ ] Send commits and reminders to commits@
---------------------------------------------------
</example>

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notification/commit list (was: JAMES Projects on Hudson)

Posted by Stefano Bagnara <ap...@bago.org>.
Robert Burrell Donkin ha scritto:
> On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 5:13 PM, Stefano Bagnara <ap...@bago.org> wrote:
>> Robert Burrell Donkin ha scritto:
>>> On Sun, Aug 3, 2008 at 1:16 PM, Stefano Bagnara <ap...@bago.org> wrote:
>>>> Robert Burrell Donkin ha scritto:
>>>>> On 7/28/08, Norman Maurer <no...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>> Am Sonntag, den 27.07.2008, 22:20 +0200 schrieb Stefano Bagnara:
>>>>>>> Is there any mailing list notification?
>>>>>> I not enabled it yet because I wanted to talk about it first on ml.
>>>>>> MAybe we should add a new ml for the notifications so we don't flood
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> dev list ?
>>>>> Providing that mail is only sent on failure, I think this list should
>>>>> be ok. If we need to reduce traffic all the admin stuff (commits, JIRA
>>>>> etc) should be moved together. We've had 600ish messages this month so
>>>>> maybe that's worth considering.
>>>> Moving "admin stuff" to a separate list could help not loosing important
>>>> discussion and procedural threads between svn committs and JIRA updates.
>>>>
>>>> On the other hand we tend to mix discussions in JIRA and the mailing list
>>>> so
>>>> we should agree on the way to deal with it before planning a switch,
>>>> IMHO.
>>> set an appropriate reply-to usually works ok for most clients
>> My concern was about discussions happening via JIRA comments, they would not
>> go through the discussion list, but only the admin list. Currently a JIRA
>> comment is the substitute for a mailing list post. If we move JIRA
>> notifications to an admin list beside svn comments they will loose
>> visibility to developers not subscribed to the notification list.
> 
> makes sense
> 
>>>> Maybe we could move svn commits and the notifications to their own list
>>>> as a
>>>> first step while keep JIRAs on server-dev... WDYT?
>>> fine by me
>> What is the list name used by other projects in this cases?
>> notifications@james.a.o?
> 
> probably commits. see http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/

commits is the most common (hundreds of them). Then I see 9 
"notifications" lists.

It seems we agree on this. What is the procedure? Should we open a 
proposal thread so more people will be aware of this discussion?

I prefer "notifications@" because we'll put there more than commits but 
I'm fine with "commits@" too.

Stefano

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Re: JAMES Projects on Hudson

Posted by Robert Burrell Donkin <ro...@gmail.com>.
On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 5:13 PM, Stefano Bagnara <ap...@bago.org> wrote:
> Robert Burrell Donkin ha scritto:
>>
>> On Sun, Aug 3, 2008 at 1:16 PM, Stefano Bagnara <ap...@bago.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Robert Burrell Donkin ha scritto:
>>>>
>>>> On 7/28/08, Norman Maurer <no...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Am Sonntag, den 27.07.2008, 22:20 +0200 schrieb Stefano Bagnara:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is there any mailing list notification?
>>>>>
>>>>> I not enabled it yet because I wanted to talk about it first on ml.
>>>>> MAybe we should add a new ml for the notifications so we don't flood
>>>>> the
>>>>> dev list ?
>>>>
>>>> Providing that mail is only sent on failure, I think this list should
>>>> be ok. If we need to reduce traffic all the admin stuff (commits, JIRA
>>>> etc) should be moved together. We've had 600ish messages this month so
>>>> maybe that's worth considering.
>>>
>>> Moving "admin stuff" to a separate list could help not loosing important
>>> discussion and procedural threads between svn committs and JIRA updates.
>>>
>>> On the other hand we tend to mix discussions in JIRA and the mailing list
>>> so
>>> we should agree on the way to deal with it before planning a switch,
>>> IMHO.
>>
>> set an appropriate reply-to usually works ok for most clients
>
> My concern was about discussions happening via JIRA comments, they would not
> go through the discussion list, but only the admin list. Currently a JIRA
> comment is the substitute for a mailing list post. If we move JIRA
> notifications to an admin list beside svn comments they will loose
> visibility to developers not subscribed to the notification list.

makes sense

>>> Maybe we could move svn commits and the notifications to their own list
>>> as a
>>> first step while keep JIRAs on server-dev... WDYT?
>>
>> fine by me
>
> What is the list name used by other projects in this cases?
> notifications@james.a.o?

probably commits. see http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/

- robert

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Re: JAMES Projects on Hudson

Posted by Stefano Bagnara <ap...@bago.org>.
Robert Burrell Donkin ha scritto:
> On Sun, Aug 3, 2008 at 1:16 PM, Stefano Bagnara <ap...@bago.org> wrote:
>> Robert Burrell Donkin ha scritto:
>>> On 7/28/08, Norman Maurer <no...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>> Am Sonntag, den 27.07.2008, 22:20 +0200 schrieb Stefano Bagnara:
>>>>> Is there any mailing list notification?
>>>> I not enabled it yet because I wanted to talk about it first on ml.
>>>> MAybe we should add a new ml for the notifications so we don't flood the
>>>> dev list ?
>>> Providing that mail is only sent on failure, I think this list should
>>> be ok. If we need to reduce traffic all the admin stuff (commits, JIRA
>>> etc) should be moved together. We've had 600ish messages this month so
>>> maybe that's worth considering.
>> Moving "admin stuff" to a separate list could help not loosing important
>> discussion and procedural threads between svn committs and JIRA updates.
>>
>> On the other hand we tend to mix discussions in JIRA and the mailing list so
>> we should agree on the way to deal with it before planning a switch, IMHO.
> 
> set an appropriate reply-to usually works ok for most clients

My concern was about discussions happening via JIRA comments, they would 
not go through the discussion list, but only the admin list. Currently a 
JIRA comment is the substitute for a mailing list post. If we move JIRA 
notifications to an admin list beside svn comments they will loose 
visibility to developers not subscribed to the notification list.

>> If only JIRA could track mailing list messages having its identifiers in the
>> subject the same way it deals with svn commit I would be happy to move all
>> discussions out of JIRA, but ATM I think slow discussions about specific
>> issues are better handled in JIRA because they are better organized and
>> tracked and they serve as future reference when people will look at the same
>> issue again in the next years. We have experience of issues discussed
>> multiple times and open since years.
> 
> might be worth raising this on infra

I searched the internet. I see that a similar plugin does not exists. 
There is a JIRA-NNTP bridge, but there is no NNTP server for ASF lists, 
so it is not an option. Weird, indeed, I thought it was something more 
used/requested around the world.

>> Maybe we could move svn commits and the notifications to their own list as a
>> first step while keep JIRAs on server-dev... WDYT?
> 
> fine by me

What is the list name used by other projects in this cases?
notifications@james.a.o?

Stefano

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Re: JAMES Projects on Hudson

Posted by Robert Burrell Donkin <ro...@gmail.com>.
On Sun, Aug 3, 2008 at 1:16 PM, Stefano Bagnara <ap...@bago.org> wrote:
> Robert Burrell Donkin ha scritto:
>>
>> On 7/28/08, Norman Maurer <no...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Am Sonntag, den 27.07.2008, 22:20 +0200 schrieb Stefano Bagnara:
>>>>
>>>> Is there any mailing list notification?
>>>
>>> I not enabled it yet because I wanted to talk about it first on ml.
>>> MAybe we should add a new ml for the notifications so we don't flood the
>>> dev list ?
>>
>> Providing that mail is only sent on failure, I think this list should
>> be ok. If we need to reduce traffic all the admin stuff (commits, JIRA
>> etc) should be moved together. We've had 600ish messages this month so
>> maybe that's worth considering.
>
> Moving "admin stuff" to a separate list could help not loosing important
> discussion and procedural threads between svn committs and JIRA updates.
>
> On the other hand we tend to mix discussions in JIRA and the mailing list so
> we should agree on the way to deal with it before planning a switch, IMHO.

set an appropriate reply-to usually works ok for most clients

> If only JIRA could track mailing list messages having its identifiers in the
> subject the same way it deals with svn commit I would be happy to move all
> discussions out of JIRA, but ATM I think slow discussions about specific
> issues are better handled in JIRA because they are better organized and
> tracked and they serve as future reference when people will look at the same
> issue again in the next years. We have experience of issues discussed
> multiple times and open since years.

might be worth raising this on infra

> Maybe we could move svn commits and the notifications to their own list as a
> first step while keep JIRAs on server-dev... WDYT?

fine by me

- robert

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Re: JAMES Projects on Hudson

Posted by Stefano Bagnara <ap...@bago.org>.
Robert Burrell Donkin ha scritto:
> On 7/28/08, Norman Maurer <no...@apache.org> wrote:
>> Am Sonntag, den 27.07.2008, 22:20 +0200 schrieb Stefano Bagnara:
>>> Is there any mailing list notification?
>> I not enabled it yet because I wanted to talk about it first on ml.
>> MAybe we should add a new ml for the notifications so we don't flood the
>> dev list ?
> Providing that mail is only sent on failure, I think this list should
> be ok. If we need to reduce traffic all the admin stuff (commits, JIRA
> etc) should be moved together. We've had 600ish messages this month so
> maybe that's worth considering.

Moving "admin stuff" to a separate list could help not loosing important 
discussion and procedural threads between svn committs and JIRA updates.

On the other hand we tend to mix discussions in JIRA and the mailing 
list so we should agree on the way to deal with it before planning a 
switch, IMHO.

If only JIRA could track mailing list messages having its identifiers in 
the subject the same way it deals with svn commit I would be happy to 
move all discussions out of JIRA, but ATM I think slow discussions about 
specific issues are better handled in JIRA because they are better 
organized and tracked and they serve as future reference when people 
will look at the same issue again in the next years. We have experience 
of issues discussed multiple times and open since years.

Maybe we could move svn commits and the notifications to their own list 
as a first step while keep JIRAs on server-dev... WDYT?

Stefano

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Re: JAMES Projects on Hudson

Posted by Robert Burrell Donkin <ro...@gmail.com>.
On 7/28/08, Norman Maurer <no...@apache.org> wrote:
> Am Sonntag, den 27.07.2008, 22:20 +0200 schrieb Stefano Bagnara:
>> Norman Maurer ha scritto:
>> > Hi all,
>> >
>> > I finally received an account for the hudson webui to setup our
>> > projects. The result is here:
>> >
>> > http://hudson.zones.apache.org/hudson/view/James/
>>
>> mi*n*e4j-trunk ? ;-)
>> I'd fix it but I don't have an account yet...
>
> Fat fingers... Fixed it ;-)
>
>>
>> > The projects get builded once a day if nothing change in SVN. Hudson
>> > polls the SVN-Server every 10 minutes for changes, if changes are
>> > detected it rebuild the project. Hope this works for you.
>>
>> That's fine!
>> Is there any mailing list notification?
>
> I not enabled it yet because I wanted to talk about it first on ml.
> MAybe we should add a new ml for the notifications so we don't flood the
> dev list ?
Providing that mail is only sent on failure, I think this list should
be ok. If we need to reduce traffic all the admin stuff (commits, JIRA
etc) should be moved together. We've had 600ish messages this month so
maybe that's worth considering.

Robert

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Re: JAMES Projects on Hudson

Posted by Norman Maurer <no...@apache.org>.
Am Sonntag, den 27.07.2008, 22:20 +0200 schrieb Stefano Bagnara:
> Norman Maurer ha scritto:
> > Hi all,
> > 
> > I finally received an account for the hudson webui to setup our
> > projects. The result is here:
> > 
> > http://hudson.zones.apache.org/hudson/view/James/
> 
> mi*n*e4j-trunk ? ;-)
> I'd fix it but I don't have an account yet...

Fat fingers... Fixed it ;-)

> 
> > The projects get builded once a day if nothing change in SVN. Hudson
> > polls the SVN-Server every 10 minutes for changes, if changes are
> > detected it rebuild the project. Hope this works for you.
> 
> That's fine!
> Is there any mailing list notification?

I not enabled it yet because I wanted to talk about it first on ml.
MAybe we should add a new ml for the notifications so we don't flood the
dev list ?

> 
> > At the moment mailet-crypto-trunk fails because of missing
> > activation.jar in the classpath, maybe someone find the time to have
> > look. 
> > Postage fails because of missing james-2.3 path. Maybe we have to find
> > some better way to handle this or have to remove postage-trunk from
> > hudson. 
> 
> We may have to put some JAMES Server jar into postage so it is self 
> contained.

+1

> 
> > If someone else of the PMC wants an account feel free to reopen
> > INFRA-1685 ( https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-1685) and ask
> > for some account. I'm sure Nigel will be more then happy to create one.
> 
> Done!
> 
> thank you,
> Stefano

Bye
Norman


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Re: JAMES Projects on Hudson

Posted by Stefano Bagnara <ap...@bago.org>.
Norman Maurer ha scritto:
> Hi all,
> 
> I finally received an account for the hudson webui to setup our
> projects. The result is here:
> 
> http://hudson.zones.apache.org/hudson/view/James/

mi*n*e4j-trunk ? ;-)
I'd fix it but I don't have an account yet...

> The projects get builded once a day if nothing change in SVN. Hudson
> polls the SVN-Server every 10 minutes for changes, if changes are
> detected it rebuild the project. Hope this works for you.

That's fine!
Is there any mailing list notification?

> At the moment mailet-crypto-trunk fails because of missing
> activation.jar in the classpath, maybe someone find the time to have
> look. 
> Postage fails because of missing james-2.3 path. Maybe we have to find
> some better way to handle this or have to remove postage-trunk from
> hudson. 

We may have to put some JAMES Server jar into postage so it is self 
contained.

> If someone else of the PMC wants an account feel free to reopen
> INFRA-1685 ( https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-1685) and ask
> for some account. I'm sure Nigel will be more then happy to create one.

Done!

thank you,
Stefano

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