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Posted to dev@heron.apache.org by Ron Wilcom <rw...@wilcomweb.net> on 2023/01/06 12:43:48 UTC
Re[2]: [VOTE] Retire Heron from the Incubator
ok thank you... so the tech stays 'open source' or can someone claim it
as commercial (and start charging for it?)?
------ Original Message ------
From: "Josh Fischer" <jo...@joshfischer.io>
To: "Ron Wilcom" <rw...@wilcomweb.net>
Cc: dev@heron.apache.org
Sent: 1/5/2023 12:05:40 PM
Subject: Re: [VOTE] Retire Heron from the Incubator
>Retiring a project is specific to retiring a community around the
>project, not necessarily the tech. The source code will still be
>available publicly [1]. Open source projects need a healthy community to
>survive. At this point, I do not think that Heron has hardly any community
>left.
>
>[1]. https://incubator.apache.org/guides/retirement.html
>
>On Thu, Jan 5, 2023 at 10:59 AM Ron Wilcom <rw...@wilcomweb.net> wrote:
>
>> *-1 [X ] Do not retire Heron from the Incubator*
>>
>> What does it even mean to 'retire from the incubator'?? Why isn't this
>> project handed up to Apache open source by now? I assume the libraries/etc
>> will still be available if its "retired"?? Projects still use Heron - I'm
>> fine if no more updates but the libraries should remain available.
>>
>> Ron W
>>
>>
>> On 2023-01-05 11:50, Josh Fischer wrote:
>>
>> I think it's time to retire Heron from the incubator. Activity has been
>> close to non-existent on the mailing list. Also [1] after sending out a
>> [DISCUSS] email on the topic, I received zero replies.
>>
>> The vote is by lazy consensus and runs for 72 hours.
>>
>> +1 [ ] Retire Heron from the Incubator
>> -1 [ ] Do not retire Heron from the Incubator
>>
>> Here is my vote:
>> +1 [x] Retire Heron from the Incubator
>>
>> Josh
>>
>> 1. https://lists.apache.org/thread/lxm0ko3bx0y0xzblcnf2wfkw5lk3m00f
>>
>>
Re: [VOTE] Retire Heron from the Incubator
Posted by Josh Fischer <jo...@joshfischer.io>.
I agree, Saad. This was my first open source project and I sunk a ton of
time into it.
However, it was not for nothing. I learned a ton about the tech, the
Apache Way and made a few new friends along the way.
I’ll carry this over to general@a.o in a bit.
On Sat, Jan 7, 2023 at 9:53 AM Saad Ur Rahman <sa...@apache.org>
wrote:
> This project represents thousands of hours of engineering and a
> considerable portion of people's professional lives. It is therefore
> with a heavy heart that I vote:
>
> +1 [X] Retire Heron from the Incubator
>
> We are the custodians of this codebase, and it is our responsibility
> to convey to any potential end-users that it is no longer being
> maintained. I wish it could have graduated to a top-level project and
> then transitioned to the attic.
>
> On Fri, Jan 6, 2023 at 10:12 AM Dave Fisher <wa...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> > You can do what you want with the Heron software. You cannot use the
> trademarks Heron nor Apache in the name of your successor version.
> >
> > Best,
> > Dave
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On Jan 6, 2023, at 5:32 AM, Windham Wong <wi...@stormeye.io>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > Apache license do not stop you commercializing the software. Feel
> free to
> > > have a look the license in GitHub, it has a quick helper explain to
> you.
> > >
> > >> On Fri, Jan 6, 2023, 20:43 Ron Wilcom <rw...@wilcomweb.net> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> ok thank you... so the tech stays 'open source' or can someone claim
> it
> > >> as commercial (and start charging for it?)?
> > >>
> > >> ------ Original Message ------
> > >> From: "Josh Fischer" <jo...@joshfischer.io>
> > >> To: "Ron Wilcom" <rw...@wilcomweb.net>
> > >> Cc: dev@heron.apache.org
> > >> Sent: 1/5/2023 12:05:40 PM
> > >> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Retire Heron from the Incubator
> > >>
> > >>> Retiring a project is specific to retiring a community around the
> > >>> project, not necessarily the tech. The source code will still be
> > >>> available publicly [1]. Open source projects need a healthy
> community to
> > >>> survive. At this point, I do not think that Heron has hardly any
> > >> community
> > >>> left.
> > >>>
> > >>> [1]. https://incubator.apache.org/guides/retirement.html
> > >>>
> > >>>> On Thu, Jan 5, 2023 at 10:59 AM Ron Wilcom <rw...@wilcomweb.net>
> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> *-1 [X ] Do not retire Heron from the Incubator*
> > >>>>
> > >>>> What does it even mean to 'retire from the incubator'?? Why isn't
> this
> > >>>> project handed up to Apache open source by now? I assume the
> > >> libraries/etc
> > >>>> will still be available if its "retired"?? Projects still use
> Heron -
> > >> I'm
> > >>>> fine if no more updates but the libraries should remain available.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Ron W
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On 2023-01-05 11:50, Josh Fischer wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I think it's time to retire Heron from the incubator. Activity has
> > >> been
> > >>>> close to non-existent on the mailing list. Also [1] after sending
> out a
> > >>>> [DISCUSS] email on the topic, I received zero replies.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> The vote is by lazy consensus and runs for 72 hours.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> +1 [ ] Retire Heron from the Incubator
> > >>>> -1 [ ] Do not retire Heron from the Incubator
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Here is my vote:
> > >>>> +1 [x] Retire Heron from the Incubator
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Josh
> > >>>>
> > >>>> 1. https://lists.apache.org/thread/lxm0ko3bx0y0xzblcnf2wfkw5lk3m00f
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > >>
> >
>
--
Sent from A Mobile Device
Re: [VOTE] Retire Heron from the Incubator
Posted by Saad Ur Rahman <sa...@apache.org>.
This project represents thousands of hours of engineering and a
considerable portion of people's professional lives. It is therefore
with a heavy heart that I vote:
+1 [X] Retire Heron from the Incubator
We are the custodians of this codebase, and it is our responsibility
to convey to any potential end-users that it is no longer being
maintained. I wish it could have graduated to a top-level project and
then transitioned to the attic.
On Fri, Jan 6, 2023 at 10:12 AM Dave Fisher <wa...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> You can do what you want with the Heron software. You cannot use the trademarks Heron nor Apache in the name of your successor version.
>
> Best,
> Dave
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jan 6, 2023, at 5:32 AM, Windham Wong <wi...@stormeye.io> wrote:
> >
> > Apache license do not stop you commercializing the software. Feel free to
> > have a look the license in GitHub, it has a quick helper explain to you.
> >
> >> On Fri, Jan 6, 2023, 20:43 Ron Wilcom <rw...@wilcomweb.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> ok thank you... so the tech stays 'open source' or can someone claim it
> >> as commercial (and start charging for it?)?
> >>
> >> ------ Original Message ------
> >> From: "Josh Fischer" <jo...@joshfischer.io>
> >> To: "Ron Wilcom" <rw...@wilcomweb.net>
> >> Cc: dev@heron.apache.org
> >> Sent: 1/5/2023 12:05:40 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Retire Heron from the Incubator
> >>
> >>> Retiring a project is specific to retiring a community around the
> >>> project, not necessarily the tech. The source code will still be
> >>> available publicly [1]. Open source projects need a healthy community to
> >>> survive. At this point, I do not think that Heron has hardly any
> >> community
> >>> left.
> >>>
> >>> [1]. https://incubator.apache.org/guides/retirement.html
> >>>
> >>>> On Thu, Jan 5, 2023 at 10:59 AM Ron Wilcom <rw...@wilcomweb.net> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> *-1 [X ] Do not retire Heron from the Incubator*
> >>>>
> >>>> What does it even mean to 'retire from the incubator'?? Why isn't this
> >>>> project handed up to Apache open source by now? I assume the
> >> libraries/etc
> >>>> will still be available if its "retired"?? Projects still use Heron -
> >> I'm
> >>>> fine if no more updates but the libraries should remain available.
> >>>>
> >>>> Ron W
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On 2023-01-05 11:50, Josh Fischer wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> I think it's time to retire Heron from the incubator. Activity has
> >> been
> >>>> close to non-existent on the mailing list. Also [1] after sending out a
> >>>> [DISCUSS] email on the topic, I received zero replies.
> >>>>
> >>>> The vote is by lazy consensus and runs for 72 hours.
> >>>>
> >>>> +1 [ ] Retire Heron from the Incubator
> >>>> -1 [ ] Do not retire Heron from the Incubator
> >>>>
> >>>> Here is my vote:
> >>>> +1 [x] Retire Heron from the Incubator
> >>>>
> >>>> Josh
> >>>>
> >>>> 1. https://lists.apache.org/thread/lxm0ko3bx0y0xzblcnf2wfkw5lk3m00f
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>
>
Re: [VOTE] Retire Heron from the Incubator
Posted by Dave Fisher <wa...@apache.org>.
You can do what you want with the Heron software. You cannot use the trademarks Heron nor Apache in the name of your successor version.
Best,
Dave
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jan 6, 2023, at 5:32 AM, Windham Wong <wi...@stormeye.io> wrote:
>
> Apache license do not stop you commercializing the software. Feel free to
> have a look the license in GitHub, it has a quick helper explain to you.
>
>> On Fri, Jan 6, 2023, 20:43 Ron Wilcom <rw...@wilcomweb.net> wrote:
>>
>> ok thank you... so the tech stays 'open source' or can someone claim it
>> as commercial (and start charging for it?)?
>>
>> ------ Original Message ------
>> From: "Josh Fischer" <jo...@joshfischer.io>
>> To: "Ron Wilcom" <rw...@wilcomweb.net>
>> Cc: dev@heron.apache.org
>> Sent: 1/5/2023 12:05:40 PM
>> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Retire Heron from the Incubator
>>
>>> Retiring a project is specific to retiring a community around the
>>> project, not necessarily the tech. The source code will still be
>>> available publicly [1]. Open source projects need a healthy community to
>>> survive. At this point, I do not think that Heron has hardly any
>> community
>>> left.
>>>
>>> [1]. https://incubator.apache.org/guides/retirement.html
>>>
>>>> On Thu, Jan 5, 2023 at 10:59 AM Ron Wilcom <rw...@wilcomweb.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> *-1 [X ] Do not retire Heron from the Incubator*
>>>>
>>>> What does it even mean to 'retire from the incubator'?? Why isn't this
>>>> project handed up to Apache open source by now? I assume the
>> libraries/etc
>>>> will still be available if its "retired"?? Projects still use Heron -
>> I'm
>>>> fine if no more updates but the libraries should remain available.
>>>>
>>>> Ron W
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 2023-01-05 11:50, Josh Fischer wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I think it's time to retire Heron from the incubator. Activity has
>> been
>>>> close to non-existent on the mailing list. Also [1] after sending out a
>>>> [DISCUSS] email on the topic, I received zero replies.
>>>>
>>>> The vote is by lazy consensus and runs for 72 hours.
>>>>
>>>> +1 [ ] Retire Heron from the Incubator
>>>> -1 [ ] Do not retire Heron from the Incubator
>>>>
>>>> Here is my vote:
>>>> +1 [x] Retire Heron from the Incubator
>>>>
>>>> Josh
>>>>
>>>> 1. https://lists.apache.org/thread/lxm0ko3bx0y0xzblcnf2wfkw5lk3m00f
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
Re: Re[2]: [VOTE] Retire Heron from the Incubator
Posted by Josh Fischer <jo...@joshfischer.io>.
Ron,
Knowing what you know now, does it change your vote?
On Fri, Jan 6, 2023 at 7:32 AM Windham Wong <wi...@stormeye.io>
wrote:
> Apache license do not stop you commercializing the software. Feel free to
> have a look the license in GitHub, it has a quick helper explain to you.
>
> On Fri, Jan 6, 2023, 20:43 Ron Wilcom <rw...@wilcomweb.net> wrote:
>
> > ok thank you... so the tech stays 'open source' or can someone claim it
> > as commercial (and start charging for it?)?
> >
> > ------ Original Message ------
> > From: "Josh Fischer" <jo...@joshfischer.io>
> > To: "Ron Wilcom" <rw...@wilcomweb.net>
> > Cc: dev@heron.apache.org
> > Sent: 1/5/2023 12:05:40 PM
> > Subject: Re: [VOTE] Retire Heron from the Incubator
> >
> > >Retiring a project is specific to retiring a community around the
> > >project, not necessarily the tech. The source code will still be
> > >available publicly [1]. Open source projects need a healthy community
> to
> > >survive. At this point, I do not think that Heron has hardly any
> > community
> > >left.
> > >
> > >[1]. https://incubator.apache.org/guides/retirement.html
> > >
> > >On Thu, Jan 5, 2023 at 10:59 AM Ron Wilcom <rw...@wilcomweb.net>
> wrote:
> > >
> > >> *-1 [X ] Do not retire Heron from the Incubator*
> > >>
> > >> What does it even mean to 'retire from the incubator'?? Why isn't
> this
> > >> project handed up to Apache open source by now? I assume the
> > libraries/etc
> > >> will still be available if its "retired"?? Projects still use Heron
> -
> > I'm
> > >> fine if no more updates but the libraries should remain available.
> > >>
> > >> Ron W
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On 2023-01-05 11:50, Josh Fischer wrote:
> > >>
> > >> I think it's time to retire Heron from the incubator. Activity has
> > been
> > >> close to non-existent on the mailing list. Also [1] after sending
> out a
> > >> [DISCUSS] email on the topic, I received zero replies.
> > >>
> > >> The vote is by lazy consensus and runs for 72 hours.
> > >>
> > >> +1 [ ] Retire Heron from the Incubator
> > >> -1 [ ] Do not retire Heron from the Incubator
> > >>
> > >> Here is my vote:
> > >> +1 [x] Retire Heron from the Incubator
> > >>
> > >> Josh
> > >>
> > >> 1. https://lists.apache.org/thread/lxm0ko3bx0y0xzblcnf2wfkw5lk3m00f
> > >>
> > >>
> >
> >
>
--
Sent from A Mobile Device
Re: Re[2]: [VOTE] Retire Heron from the Incubator
Posted by Windham Wong <wi...@stormeye.io>.
Apache license do not stop you commercializing the software. Feel free to
have a look the license in GitHub, it has a quick helper explain to you.
On Fri, Jan 6, 2023, 20:43 Ron Wilcom <rw...@wilcomweb.net> wrote:
> ok thank you... so the tech stays 'open source' or can someone claim it
> as commercial (and start charging for it?)?
>
> ------ Original Message ------
> From: "Josh Fischer" <jo...@joshfischer.io>
> To: "Ron Wilcom" <rw...@wilcomweb.net>
> Cc: dev@heron.apache.org
> Sent: 1/5/2023 12:05:40 PM
> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Retire Heron from the Incubator
>
> >Retiring a project is specific to retiring a community around the
> >project, not necessarily the tech. The source code will still be
> >available publicly [1]. Open source projects need a healthy community to
> >survive. At this point, I do not think that Heron has hardly any
> community
> >left.
> >
> >[1]. https://incubator.apache.org/guides/retirement.html
> >
> >On Thu, Jan 5, 2023 at 10:59 AM Ron Wilcom <rw...@wilcomweb.net> wrote:
> >
> >> *-1 [X ] Do not retire Heron from the Incubator*
> >>
> >> What does it even mean to 'retire from the incubator'?? Why isn't this
> >> project handed up to Apache open source by now? I assume the
> libraries/etc
> >> will still be available if its "retired"?? Projects still use Heron -
> I'm
> >> fine if no more updates but the libraries should remain available.
> >>
> >> Ron W
> >>
> >>
> >> On 2023-01-05 11:50, Josh Fischer wrote:
> >>
> >> I think it's time to retire Heron from the incubator. Activity has
> been
> >> close to non-existent on the mailing list. Also [1] after sending out a
> >> [DISCUSS] email on the topic, I received zero replies.
> >>
> >> The vote is by lazy consensus and runs for 72 hours.
> >>
> >> +1 [ ] Retire Heron from the Incubator
> >> -1 [ ] Do not retire Heron from the Incubator
> >>
> >> Here is my vote:
> >> +1 [x] Retire Heron from the Incubator
> >>
> >> Josh
> >>
> >> 1. https://lists.apache.org/thread/lxm0ko3bx0y0xzblcnf2wfkw5lk3m00f
> >>
> >>
>
>