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Posted to j-dev@xerces.apache.org by Ted Leung <tw...@sauria.com> on 2003/01/24 21:55:20 UTC

xml.apache.org refactoring #1 - expansion of PMC

As you are no doubt aware, the ASF board has approved two new PMC's: one for Web Services (to include Axis, SOAP, XML-RPC, and XML-Security), and one for Cocoon.

In keeping with the proposal that I made last week, I'd like each of the remaining subprojects to elect 1 or 2 persons as they see fit to represent them on the XML PMC. I would like to see these elections completed by Friday, Jan 31. If you need vote counting support please send a note to pmc@xml.apache.org. The remaining active projects are:

Axkit
Batik
Crimson
Fop
Forrest
Xalan
Xerces-J
Xerces-C
Xerces-P
Xindice

Please send your vote results to pmc@xml.apache.org.

----- Original Message -----
From: Ted Leung
To: general@xml.apache.org ; pmc@xml.apache.org ; xerces-j-dev@xml.apache.org ; xerces-c-dev@xml.apache.org ; xerces-p-dev@xml.apache.org ; xalan-dev@xml.apache.org ; cocoon-dev@xml.apache.org ; forrest-dev@xml.apache.org ; fop-dev@xml.apache.org ; xang-dev@xml.apache.org ; soap-dev@xml.apache.org ; batik-dev@xml.apache.org ; security-dev@xml.apache.org ; xindice-dev@xml.apache.org ; rpc-dev@xml.apache.org ; axkit-dev@xml.apache.org ; crimson-dev@xml.apache.org
Cc: board@apache.org
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 11:12 AM
Subject: xml.apache.org refactoring #1

Greetings all,

From our discussion last December, it seems clear to me that most of the subprojects are not interested in becoming top-level projects. It also seems clear that people are interested broad based representation in the XML PMC. I think that the best way to improve the issues related to project oversight is to have a series of small refactorings. So here's my proposal for the first refactoring:

We ask each subproject to nominate 1 (or 2) people from that project to be a part of the XML PMC. From my experience, I think that it will be better to have 2 people rather than one in order to share workload, etc. I believe that both Axis (is Axis planning on taking SOAP with it) and Cocoon are in the process of creating their own PMC's. They would obviously be exempt from this.

I know that we're going to have some discussion about this (lets keep it in general@) -- I encourage it -- but I've also noticed that things tend to peter out after while and nothing happens, so I want to have an endmarker. I propose to limit discussion on this proposal until next Friday Jan 24. If this proposal is still being considered on the 24th, then I'd propose that the subprojects nominate their folks by the following Friday, Jan 31.

Ted

Re: [Vote] Nomination for PMC member (was Re: xml.apache.org refactoring #1 - expansion of PMC)

Posted by "Jason E. Stewart" <ja...@openinformatics.com>.

"Tinny Ng" <tn...@ca.ibm.com> writes:

>      I'd like to nominate PeiYong Zhang and Gareth Reakes for PMC Member.
> They both have been very active in developing Xerces-C++ and in the
> community over the past year.

Agreed and seconded!

+1 PeiYong
+1 Gareth

jas.

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Re: [Vote] Nomination for PMC member (was Re: xml.apache.org refactoring #1 - expansion of PMC)

Posted by Khaled Noaman <kn...@ca.ibm.com>.

+1 PeiYong
+1 Gareth

Khaled

Tinny Ng wrote:

> Hi,
>
>      I'd like to nominate PeiYong Zhang and Gareth Reakes for PMC Member.
> They both have been very active in developing Xerces-C++ and in the
> community over the past year.
>
> As Ted requests, would committers pls vote by end of week?
>
> My votes (for the record):
> +1 PeiYong, +1 Gareth
>
> Thanks!
>
> Tinny
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ted Leung
> To: pmc@xml.apache.org ; forrest-dev@xml.apache.org ; general@xml.apache.org
> ; xerces-j-dev@xml.apache.org ; xerces-c-dev@xml.apache.org ;
> xerces-p-dev@xml.apache.org ; xalan-dev@xml.apache.org ;
> fop-dev@xml.apache.org ; xang-dev@xml.apache.org ; batik-dev@xml.apache.org
> ; xindice-dev@xml.apache.org ; axkit-dev@xml.apache.org ;
> crimson-dev@xml.apache.org
> Cc: board@apache.org
> Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 4:02 PM
> Subject: Re: xml.apache.org refactoring #1 - expansion of PMC
>
> One more thing...
>
> Per Dirk's message earlier, the people on the PMC will be the default
> contacts for the ASF wide security effort unless your project specifically
> designates a security contact.
>
> Ted
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ted Leung
> To: forrest-dev@xml.apache.org ; general@xml.apache.org ; pmc@xml.apache.org
> ; xerces-j-dev@xml.apache.org ; xerces-c-dev@xml.apache.org ;
> xerces-p-dev@xml.apache.org ; xalan-dev@xml.apache.org ;
> fop-dev@xml.apache.org ; xang-dev@xml.apache.org ; batik-dev@xml.apache.org
> ; xindice-dev@xml.apache.org ; axkit-dev@xml.apache.org ;
> crimson-dev@xml.apache.org
> Cc: board@apache.org
> Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 12:55 PM
> Subject: xml.apache.org refactoring #1 - expansion of PMC
>
> As you are no doubt aware, the ASF board has approved two new PMC's: one for
> Web Services (to include Axis, SOAP, XML-RPC, and XML-Security), and one for
> Cocoon.
>
> In keeping with the proposal that I made last week, I'd like each of the
> remaining subprojects to elect 1 or 2 persons as they see fit to represent
> them on the XML PMC.  I would like to see these elections completed by
> Friday, Jan 31.   If you need vote counting support please send a note to
> pmc@xml.apache.org.  The remaining active projects are:
>
> Axkit
> Batik
> Crimson
> Fop
> Forrest
> Xalan
> Xerces-J
> Xerces-C
> Xerces-P
> Xindice
>
> Please send your vote results to pmc@xml.apache.org.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ted Leung
> To: general@xml.apache.org ; pmc@xml.apache.org ;
> xerces-j-dev@xml.apache.org ; xerces-c-dev@xml.apache.org ;
> xerces-p-dev@xml.apache.org ; xalan-dev@xml.apache.org ;
> cocoon-dev@xml.apache.org ; forrest-dev@xml.apache.org ;
> fop-dev@xml.apache.org ; xang-dev@xml.apache.org ; soap-dev@xml.apache.org ;
> batik-dev@xml.apache.org ; security-dev@xml.apache.org ;
> xindice-dev@xml.apache.org ; rpc-dev@xml.apache.org ;
> axkit-dev@xml.apache.org ; crimson-dev@xml.apache.org
> Cc: board@apache.org
> Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 11:12 AM
> Subject: xml.apache.org refactoring #1
>
> Greetings all,
>
> >From our discussion last December, it seems clear to me that most of the
> subprojects are not interested in becoming top-level projects.  It also
> seems clear that people are interested broad based representation in the XML
> PMC.   I think that the best way to improve the issues related to project
> oversight is to have a series of small refactorings.  So here's my proposal
> for the first refactoring:
>
> We ask each subproject to nominate 1 (or 2) people from that project to be a
> part of the XML PMC.  From my experience, I think that it will be better to
> have 2 people rather than one in order to share workload, etc.   I believe
> that both Axis (is Axis planning on taking SOAP with it) and Cocoon are in
> the process of creating their own PMC's.  They would obviously be exempt
> from this.
>
> I know that we're going to have some discussion about this (lets keep it in
> general@) -- I encourage it -- but I've also noticed that things tend to
> peter out after while and nothing happens, so I want to have an endmarker.
> I propose to limit discussion on this proposal until next Friday Jan 24.  If
> this proposal is still being considered on the 24th, then I'd propose that
> the subprojects nominate their folks by the following Friday, Jan 31.
>
> Ted
>
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Re: [Vote] Nomination for PMC member

Posted by James Berry <jb...@criticalpath.com>.

On 1/28/03 4:50 AM, "Tinny Ng" <tn...@ca.ibm.com> wrote:

>    I'd like to nominate PeiYong Zhang and Gareth Reakes for PMC Member.
> They both have been very active in developing Xerces-C++ and in the
> community over the past year.

+1 PeiYong
+1 Gareth

I'm glad we have two victims willing to do the bureaucratic stuff.

James.


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[Vote] Nomination for PMC member (was Re: xml.apache.org refactoring #1 - expansion of PMC)

Posted by Tinny Ng <tn...@ca.ibm.com>.

Hi,

     I'd like to nominate PeiYong Zhang and Gareth Reakes for PMC Member.
They both have been very active in developing Xerces-C++ and in the
community over the past year.

As Ted requests, would committers pls vote by end of week?

My votes (for the record):
+1 PeiYong, +1 Gareth

Thanks!

Tinny


----- Original Message -----
From: Ted Leung
To: pmc@xml.apache.org ; forrest-dev@xml.apache.org ; general@xml.apache.org
; xerces-j-dev@xml.apache.org ; xerces-c-dev@xml.apache.org ;
xerces-p-dev@xml.apache.org ; xalan-dev@xml.apache.org ;
fop-dev@xml.apache.org ; xang-dev@xml.apache.org ; batik-dev@xml.apache.org
; xindice-dev@xml.apache.org ; axkit-dev@xml.apache.org ;
crimson-dev@xml.apache.org
Cc: board@apache.org
Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 4:02 PM
Subject: Re: xml.apache.org refactoring #1 - expansion of PMC


One more thing...

Per Dirk's message earlier, the people on the PMC will be the default
contacts for the ASF wide security effort unless your project specifically
designates a security contact.

Ted
----- Original Message -----
From: Ted Leung
To: forrest-dev@xml.apache.org ; general@xml.apache.org ; pmc@xml.apache.org
; xerces-j-dev@xml.apache.org ; xerces-c-dev@xml.apache.org ;
xerces-p-dev@xml.apache.org ; xalan-dev@xml.apache.org ;
fop-dev@xml.apache.org ; xang-dev@xml.apache.org ; batik-dev@xml.apache.org
; xindice-dev@xml.apache.org ; axkit-dev@xml.apache.org ;
crimson-dev@xml.apache.org
Cc: board@apache.org
Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 12:55 PM
Subject: xml.apache.org refactoring #1 - expansion of PMC


As you are no doubt aware, the ASF board has approved two new PMC's: one for
Web Services (to include Axis, SOAP, XML-RPC, and XML-Security), and one for
Cocoon.

In keeping with the proposal that I made last week, I'd like each of the
remaining subprojects to elect 1 or 2 persons as they see fit to represent
them on the XML PMC.  I would like to see these elections completed by
Friday, Jan 31.   If you need vote counting support please send a note to
pmc@xml.apache.org.  The remaining active projects are:

Axkit
Batik
Crimson
Fop
Forrest
Xalan
Xerces-J
Xerces-C
Xerces-P
Xindice

Please send your vote results to pmc@xml.apache.org.

----- Original Message -----
From: Ted Leung
To: general@xml.apache.org ; pmc@xml.apache.org ;
xerces-j-dev@xml.apache.org ; xerces-c-dev@xml.apache.org ;
xerces-p-dev@xml.apache.org ; xalan-dev@xml.apache.org ;
cocoon-dev@xml.apache.org ; forrest-dev@xml.apache.org ;
fop-dev@xml.apache.org ; xang-dev@xml.apache.org ; soap-dev@xml.apache.org ;
batik-dev@xml.apache.org ; security-dev@xml.apache.org ;
xindice-dev@xml.apache.org ; rpc-dev@xml.apache.org ;
axkit-dev@xml.apache.org ; crimson-dev@xml.apache.org
Cc: board@apache.org
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 11:12 AM
Subject: xml.apache.org refactoring #1


Greetings all,

>From our discussion last December, it seems clear to me that most of the
subprojects are not interested in becoming top-level projects.  It also
seems clear that people are interested broad based representation in the XML
PMC.   I think that the best way to improve the issues related to project
oversight is to have a series of small refactorings.  So here's my proposal
for the first refactoring:

We ask each subproject to nominate 1 (or 2) people from that project to be a
part of the XML PMC.  From my experience, I think that it will be better to
have 2 people rather than one in order to share workload, etc.   I believe
that both Axis (is Axis planning on taking SOAP with it) and Cocoon are in
the process of creating their own PMC's.  They would obviously be exempt
from this.

I know that we're going to have some discussion about this (lets keep it in
general@) -- I encourage it -- but I've also noticed that things tend to
peter out after while and nothing happens, so I want to have an endmarker.
I propose to limit discussion on this proposal until next Friday Jan 24.  If
this proposal is still being considered on the 24th, then I'd propose that
the subprojects nominate their folks by the following Friday, Jan 31.

Ted


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Re: Semantics of string types

Posted by David N Bertoni/Cambridge/IBM <da...@us.ibm.com>.




Hi Brian,

We end up doing what Xerces does, so we can consume each other's UTF-16
strings.  Xerces is a bit funny in that they always use unsigned short,
except on some platforms where the port was done by someone else.
Currently, Borland C++ is the only platform where wchar_t is used by
Xerces.

The algorithm really ought to be:

   If wchar_t is known to be UTF-16, then use it.  Otherwise, use unsigned
   short.

So, all WIN32/64 compilers should use wchar_t, as should AIX 32-bit.  I
don't know about any of the other Unix platforms.  Linux is an entirely
different story, as wchar_t can even be EBCDIC, depending on the platform.

The only reason that ifdef exists in Xalan is because I started to do a
Borland port (but gave up), and had to do that first.

We didn't ever figure the whole URIResolver thing, did we?  It's probably
too late to do that for the next release, but we ought to revive that
discussion and settle on something.

Dave



                                                                                                                                      
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I'd like to get my head around the various string types used in Xalan-C.

#ifdef XALAN_USE_NATIVE_WCHAR_T
XalanDOMChar is a wchar_t (is it interpreted as UTF-16 or as
UCS-2/UCS-4?)
#elsif
XalanDOMChar is a UTF-16 character
#endif

XMLCh is a wchar_t, how is that to be interpreted?

Cheers,
Brian

Semantics of string types

Posted by Brian Quinlan <br...@sweetapp.com>.

I'd like to get my head around the various string types used in Xalan-C.

#ifdef XALAN_USE_NATIVE_WCHAR_T
XalanDOMChar is a wchar_t (is it interpreted as UTF-16 or as
UCS-2/UCS-4?)
#elsif
XalanDOMChar is a UTF-16 character
#endif

XMLCh is a wchar_t, how is that to be interpreted?

Cheers,
Brian

Re: xml.apache.org refactoring #1 - expansion of PMC

Posted by Ted Leung <tw...@sauria.com>.

One more thing...

Per Dirk's message earlier, the people on the PMC will be the default contacts for the ASF wide security effort unless your project specifically designates a security contact.

Ted
----- Original Message -----
From: Ted Leung
To: forrest-dev@xml.apache.org ; general@xml.apache.org ; pmc@xml.apache.org ; xerces-j-dev@xml.apache.org ; xerces-c-dev@xml.apache.org ; xerces-p-dev@xml.apache.org ; xalan-dev@xml.apache.org ; fop-dev@xml.apache.org ; xang-dev@xml.apache.org ; batik-dev@xml.apache.org ; xindice-dev@xml.apache.org ; axkit-dev@xml.apache.org ; crimson-dev@xml.apache.org
Cc: board@apache.org
Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 12:55 PM
Subject: xml.apache.org refactoring #1 - expansion of PMC

As you are no doubt aware, the ASF board has approved two new PMC's: one for Web Services (to include Axis, SOAP, XML-RPC, and XML-Security), and one for Cocoon.

Axkit
Batik
Crimson
Fop
Forrest
Xalan
Xerces-J
Xerces-C
Xerces-P
Xindice

Please send your vote results to pmc@xml.apache.org.

Greetings all,

Ted

Re: xml.apache.org refactoring #1 - expansion of PMC

Posted by Ted Leung <tw...@sauria.com>.

One more thing...

Per Dirk's message earlier, the people on the PMC will be the default contacts for the ASF wide security effort unless your project specifically designates a security contact.

As you are no doubt aware, the ASF board has approved two new PMC's: one for Web Services (to include Axis, SOAP, XML-RPC, and XML-Security), and one for Cocoon.

Axkit
Batik
Crimson
Fop
Forrest
Xalan
Xerces-J
Xerces-C
Xerces-P
Xindice

Please send your vote results to pmc@xml.apache.org.

Greetings all,

Ted

Re: xml.apache.org refactoring #1 - expansion of PMC

Posted by Ted Leung <tw...@sauria.com>.

One more thing...

Per Dirk's message earlier, the people on the PMC will be the default contacts for the ASF wide security effort unless your project specifically designates a security contact.

As you are no doubt aware, the ASF board has approved two new PMC's: one for Web Services (to include Axis, SOAP, XML-RPC, and XML-Security), and one for Cocoon.

Axkit
Batik
Crimson
Fop
Forrest
Xalan
Xerces-J
Xerces-C
Xerces-P
Xindice

Please send your vote results to pmc@xml.apache.org.

Greetings all,

Ted

Forrest representation in XML PMC [was: Re: xml.apache.org refactoring #1 - expansion of PMC]

Posted by Steven Noels <st...@outerthought.org>.

Jeff Turner wrote:

>>>Please send your vote results to pmc@xml.apache.org 
>>><ma...@xml.apache.org>.
>>
>>Jeff...? OK with you?
> 
> 
> Fine.  Ted's email mentioned voting, which confused me a bit..  +1 for
> Steven if that's what everyone means :)  I'd be happy to be a 2nd Forrest
> PMC person if two are desired (though 1 sounds sufficient for Forrest).

Hehe - no, that's not what I meant. I meant: "are _you_ willing to be 
the second Forrest representative for the XML PMC", so that we can pass 
the answer on to Ted and friends.

So it seems, apparently.

XML PMC: both Jeff Turner & myself will be happy to represent Forrest in 
the XML PMC, as decided upon by the Forrest committers.

</Steven>
-- 
Steven Noels                            http://outerthought.org/
Outerthought - Open Source, Java & XML Competence Support Center
Read my weblog at            http://blogs.cocoondev.org/stevenn/
stevenn at outerthought.org                stevenn at apache.org

Re: xml.apache.org refactoring #1 - expansion of PMC

Posted by Jeff Turner <je...@apache.org>.

On Sat, Jan 25, 2003 at 08:12:21AM +0100, Steven Noels wrote:
> Ted Leung wrote:
> 
> >In keeping with the proposal that I made last week, I'd like each of the 
> >remaining subprojects to elect 1 or 2 persons as they see fit to 
> >represent them on the XML PMC.  I would like to see these elections 
> >completed by Friday, Jan 31.   If you need vote counting support please 
> >send a note to pmc@xml.apache.org <ma...@xml.apache.org>.  The 
> >remaining active projects are:
> > 
> >Axkit
> >Batik
> >Crimson
> >Fop
> >Forrest
> >Xalan
> >Xerces-J
> >Xerces-C
> >Xerces-P
> >Xindice
> > 
> >Please send your vote results to pmc@xml.apache.org 
> ><ma...@xml.apache.org>.
> 
> Jeff...? OK with you?

Fine.  Ted's email mentioned voting, which confused me a bit..  +1 for
Steven if that's what everyone means :)  I'd be happy to be a 2nd Forrest
PMC person if two are desired (though 1 sounds sufficient for Forrest).


--Jeff

> </Steven>

Re: xml.apache.org refactoring #1 - expansion of PMC

Posted by Steven Noels <st...@outerthought.org>.

Ted Leung wrote:

> In keeping with the proposal that I made last week, I'd like each of the 
> remaining subprojects to elect 1 or 2 persons as they see fit to 
> represent them on the XML PMC.  I would like to see these elections 
> completed by Friday, Jan 31.   If you need vote counting support please 
> send a note to pmc@xml.apache.org <ma...@xml.apache.org>.  The 
> remaining active projects are:
>  
> Axkit
> Batik
> Crimson
> Fop
> Forrest
> Xalan
> Xerces-J
> Xerces-C
> Xerces-P
> Xindice
>  
> Please send your vote results to pmc@xml.apache.org 
> <ma...@xml.apache.org>.

Jeff...? OK with you?

</Steven>
-- 
Steven Noels                            http://outerthought.org/
Outerthought - Open Source, Java & XML Competence Support Center
Read my weblog at            http://blogs.cocoondev.org/stevenn/
stevenn at outerthought.org                stevenn at apache.org

Re: xml.apache.org refactoring #1 - expansion of PMC

Posted by Ted Leung <tw...@sauria.com>.

David,

It is precisely this lack of oversight that is driving the addition of
additional people to the PMC.  Unfortunately, I missed commons because I
used the nav menu of the site to remind me of all the projects.   Every
project remaining should be represented on the PMC.   If all the XML
committers are also commons committers, do we hold the election for commons
in general@ or commons-dev@?

Ted

----- Original Message -----
From: "David Crossley" <cr...@indexgeo.com.au>
To: <ge...@xml.apache.org>
Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 9:58 PM
Subject: Re: xml.apache.org refactoring #1 - expansion of PMC


> Ted Leung wrote:
> > As you are no doubt aware, the ASF board has approved two
> > new PMC's: one for Web Services (to include Axis, SOAP, XML-RPC,
> > and XML-Security), and one for Cocoon.
> >
> > In keeping with the proposal that I made last week, I'd like
> > each of the remaining subprojects to elect 1 or 2 persons as they
> > see fit to represent them on the XML PMC.  I would like to see
> > these elections completed by Friday, Jan 31.   If you need vote
> > counting support please send a note to pmc@xml.apache.org.  The
> > remaining active projects are:
> >
> > Axkit
> > Batik
> > Crimson
> > Fop
> > Forrest
> > Xalan
> > Xerces-J
> > Xerces-C
> > Xerces-P
> > Xindice
> >
> > Please send your vote results to pmc@xml.apache.org.
>
> It indicates a serious problem that the xml-commons
> project is omitted from many announcements and decisions.
> If xml-commons does not need representation on the PMC, then
> i think that such announcements should explicitly say so.
>
> There is very little help from the other xml projects on
> xml-commons. It seems to completely slip people's minds
> that they are also by default, committers on xml-commons.
> The project is languishing, yet it has very important
> components that need wider recognition and support.
> --David
>
>
>
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Re: xml.apache.org refactoring #1 - expansion of PMC

Posted by Ted Leung <tw...@sauria.com>.

David,

It is precisely this lack of oversight that is driving the addition of
additional people to the PMC.  Unfortunately, I missed commons because I
used the nav menu of the site to remind me of all the projects.   Every
project remaining should be represented on the PMC.   If all the XML
committers are also commons committers, do we hold the election for commons
in general@ or commons-dev@?

Ted

----- Original Message -----
From: "David Crossley" <cr...@indexgeo.com.au>
To: <ge...@xml.apache.org>
Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 9:58 PM
Subject: Re: xml.apache.org refactoring #1 - expansion of PMC


> Ted Leung wrote:
> > As you are no doubt aware, the ASF board has approved two
> > new PMC's: one for Web Services (to include Axis, SOAP, XML-RPC,
> > and XML-Security), and one for Cocoon.
> >
> > In keeping with the proposal that I made last week, I'd like
> > each of the remaining subprojects to elect 1 or 2 persons as they
> > see fit to represent them on the XML PMC.  I would like to see
> > these elections completed by Friday, Jan 31.   If you need vote
> > counting support please send a note to pmc@xml.apache.org.  The
> > remaining active projects are:
> >
> > Axkit
> > Batik
> > Crimson
> > Fop
> > Forrest
> > Xalan
> > Xerces-J
> > Xerces-C
> > Xerces-P
> > Xindice
> >
> > Please send your vote results to pmc@xml.apache.org.
>
> It indicates a serious problem that the xml-commons
> project is omitted from many announcements and decisions.
> If xml-commons does not need representation on the PMC, then
> i think that such announcements should explicitly say so.
>
> There is very little help from the other xml projects on
> xml-commons. It seems to completely slip people's minds
> that they are also by default, committers on xml-commons.
> The project is languishing, yet it has very important
> components that need wider recognition and support.
> --David
>
>
>
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Re: xml-commons website

Posted by David Crossley <cr...@indexgeo.com.au>.

robert burrell donkin wrote:
> David Crossley wrote:
> 
> <snip>
> 
> > There is very little help from the other xml projects on
> > xml-commons. It seems to completely slip people's minds
> > that they are also by default, committers on xml-commons.
> > The project is languishing, yet it has very important
> > components that need wider recognition and support.
> 
> does xml-commons have a website? (i can't see a link from
> the xml front page.)
> 
> i know that jakarta-commons seems to be thriving and as an insider, the 
> jakarta-commons website is an important element in creating a sense of 
> community and interest.

There is a minimal website at http://xml.apache.org/commons/

Mmmm, not sure why there was no link. Ted reported it recently.
Fixed now.

There is a process happening to improve it
 Re: draft website for xml-commons using Forrest
 http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=xml-commons-dev&m=104322189205667
and this is one place where we need help.

--David



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xml-commons website [WAS Re: xml.apache.org refactoring #1 - expansion of PMC]

Posted by robert burrell donkin <ro...@blueyonder.co.uk>.

On Tuesday, February 4, 2003, at 05:58 AM, David Crossley wrote:

<snip>

> There is very little help from the other xml projects on
> xml-commons. It seems to completely slip people's minds
> that they are also by default, committers on xml-commons.
> The project is languishing, yet it has very important
> components that need wider recognition and support.

does xml-commons have a website? (i can't see a link from the xml front 
page.)

i know that jakarta-commons seems to be thriving and as an insider, the 
jakarta-commons website is an important element in creating a sense of 
community and interest.

- robert

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Re: xml.apache.org refactoring #1 - expansion of PMC

Posted by David Crossley <cr...@indexgeo.com.au>.

Ted Leung wrote:
> As you are no doubt aware, the ASF board has approved two
> new PMC's: one for Web Services (to include Axis, SOAP, XML-RPC,
> and XML-Security), and one for Cocoon.
> 
> In keeping with the proposal that I made last week, I'd like
> each of the remaining subprojects to elect 1 or 2 persons as they
> see fit to represent them on the XML PMC.  I would like to see
> these elections completed by Friday, Jan 31.   If you need vote
> counting support please send a note to pmc@xml.apache.org.  The
> remaining active projects are:
> 
> Axkit
> Batik
> Crimson
> Fop
> Forrest
> Xalan
> Xerces-J
> Xerces-C
> Xerces-P
> Xindice
> 
> Please send your vote results to pmc@xml.apache.org.

It indicates a serious problem that the xml-commons
project is omitted from many announcements and decisions.
If xml-commons does not need representation on the PMC, then
i think that such announcements should explicitly say so.

There is very little help from the other xml projects on
xml-commons. It seems to completely slip people's minds
that they are also by default, committers on xml-commons.
The project is languishing, yet it has very important
components that need wider recognition and support.
--David



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Re: xml.apache.org refactoring #1 - expansion of PMC

Posted by Ted Leung <tw...@sauria.com>.

One more thing...

Per Dirk's message earlier, the people on the PMC will be the default contacts for the ASF wide security effort unless your project specifically designates a security contact.

As you are no doubt aware, the ASF board has approved two new PMC's: one for Web Services (to include Axis, SOAP, XML-RPC, and XML-Security), and one for Cocoon.

Axkit
Batik
Crimson
Fop
Forrest
Xalan
Xerces-J
Xerces-C
Xerces-P
Xindice

Please send your vote results to pmc@xml.apache.org.

Greetings all,

Ted

Re: xml.apache.org refactoring #1 - expansion of PMC

Posted by Ted Leung <tw...@sauria.com>.

One more thing...

Per Dirk's message earlier, the people on the PMC will be the default contacts for the ASF wide security effort unless your project specifically designates a security contact.

As you are no doubt aware, the ASF board has approved two new PMC's: one for Web Services (to include Axis, SOAP, XML-RPC, and XML-Security), and one for Cocoon.

Axkit
Batik
Crimson
Fop
Forrest
Xalan
Xerces-J
Xerces-C
Xerces-P
Xindice

Please send your vote results to pmc@xml.apache.org.

Greetings all,

Ted

Re: xml.apache.org refactoring #1 - expansion of PMC

Posted by Ted Leung <tw...@sauria.com>.

One more thing...

Per Dirk's message earlier, the people on the PMC will be the default contacts for the ASF wide security effort unless your project specifically designates a security contact.

As you are no doubt aware, the ASF board has approved two new PMC's: one for Web Services (to include Axis, SOAP, XML-RPC, and XML-Security), and one for Cocoon.

Axkit
Batik
Crimson
Fop
Forrest
Xalan
Xerces-J
Xerces-C
Xerces-P
Xindice

Please send your vote results to pmc@xml.apache.org.

Greetings all,

Ted

Re: xml.apache.org refactoring #1 - expansion of PMC

Posted by Ted Leung <tw...@sauria.com>.

One more thing...

Per Dirk's message earlier, the people on the PMC will be the default contacts for the ASF wide security effort unless your project specifically designates a security contact.

As you are no doubt aware, the ASF board has approved two new PMC's: one for Web Services (to include Axis, SOAP, XML-RPC, and XML-Security), and one for Cocoon.

Axkit
Batik
Crimson
Fop
Forrest
Xalan
Xerces-J
Xerces-C
Xerces-P
Xindice

Please send your vote results to pmc@xml.apache.org.

Greetings all,

Ted