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Concerted Proposal
Hi!
as some of you know, Atri and I have been
discussing his Concerted Proposal lately:
https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/ConcertedProposal
At this point I can no longer offer my mentorship
services (I ended up quite overloaded as it is)
and I feel it is only fair to Atri if I ask for help here.
Consider this thread a pre-DICUSS. Concerted isn't
what most of the Incubator proposals are these days.
It is much more about promise of technology rather
than something that exists today. In this it reminds
me of Drill a great deal when it just got proposed -- mostly
and idea. Not much of an existing code base or product.
So I guess what I'm asking is an IPMC opinion on
how to proceed with this given the mentor situation
and the state of technology.
Please help by chiming in.
Thanks,
Roman.
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Re: Concerted Proposal
Posted by Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>.
Hi,
On Sun, Oct 4, 2015 at 5:08 PM, Roman Shaposhnik <rv...@apache.org> wrote:
> ...Concerted isn't
> what most of the Incubator proposals are these days.
> It is much more about promise of technology rather
> than something that exists today....
I don't see a problem with incubating that project, the list of
initial committers includes some experienced Apache people, so if
those think the project is promising that's fine.
The list of mentors also looks good to me.
-Bertrand
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Re: Concerted Proposal
Posted by Greg Stein <gs...@gmail.com>.
The Board created the Incubator as a mechanism to bring projects into the
ASF.
Whether that could be construed as "provide a space for a project to
bootstrap itself, into a new ASF project" is arguable.
On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 3:09 AM, Sergio Fernández <wi...@apache.org> wrote:
> Well, I think what we should ask ourselves is if this is actually the role
> of ASF incubation. FMPOV the project will evolve much easier at github, and
> once the code base becomes a reality we can help mentoring the project in
> the Apache way. But this is just my personal opinion.
>
> On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 8:18 AM, Ted Dunning <te...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > It looks like there is plenty of mentor-power left on the project. I
> don't
> > see why one mentor dropping out from a good and large group is a problem.
> >
> > On Sun, Oct 4, 2015 at 8:08 AM, Roman Shaposhnik <rv...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi!
> > >
> > > as some of you know, Atri and I have been
> > > discussing his Concerted Proposal lately:
> > > https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/ConcertedProposal
> > >
> > > At this point I can no longer offer my mentorship
> > > services (I ended up quite overloaded as it is)
> > > and I feel it is only fair to Atri if I ask for help here.
> > >
> > > Consider this thread a pre-DICUSS. Concerted isn't
> > > what most of the Incubator proposals are these days.
> > > It is much more about promise of technology rather
> > > than something that exists today. In this it reminds
> > > me of Drill a great deal when it just got proposed -- mostly
> > > and idea. Not much of an existing code base or product.
> > >
> > > So I guess what I'm asking is an IPMC opinion on
> > > how to proceed with this given the mentor situation
> > > and the state of technology.
> > >
> > > Please help by chiming in.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Roman.
> > >
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> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Sergio Fernández
> Partner Technology Manager
> Redlink GmbH
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> e: sergio.fernandez@redlink.co
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>
Re: Concerted Proposal
Posted by Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>.
On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 1:20 PM, Sergio Fernández <wi...@apache.org> wrote:
> ...I just wanted to state the fact that mentoring is not expected to take an
> active role in technical questions....
I agree that's not required from mentors, and I don't think people
were asking for that.
OTOH if mentors want to take an active technical role that's fine as well.
-Bertrand
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Re: Concerted Proposal
Posted by Atri Sharma <at...@gmail.com>.
Hi All,
Proposal is posted for voting.
Please vote.
Regards,
Atri
On Wed, Oct 7, 2015 at 1:59 PM, Atri Sharma <at...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I have posted proposal in Discuss thread.
>
> Please provide your contributions there.
>
> Regards,
>
> Atri
>
> On Wed, Oct 7, 2015 at 12:27 AM, Atri Sharma <at...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Thanks for your opinion.
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 4:50 PM, Sergio Fernández <wi...@apache.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I just wanted to state the fact that mentoring is not expected to take an
>>> active role in technical questions.
>>
>>
>> I agree for that and I understand that we are not looking for technical
>> mentoring. However, if our mentors are wishing to help us in that manner,
>> we will be more than happy.
>>
>> Moreover arguing that "bootstrapping
>>> the existing code base and community into ASF will generate much more
>>> interest" clearly shows an excessive fascination with the Apache brand.
>>>
>>
>> I respectfully disagree. I think the motivation here is not attracting
>> more people into the community using Apache brand but manage existing and
>> future community using Apache processes. I believe that managing our
>> community with the Apache way is a better way of handling the community and
>> that is what we mean when we say that the community management process is
>> easier and healthier with Apache way.
>>
>> For the visibility side, we believe that the biggest advantage Concerted
>> will have is that it will have a chance to be directed and helped by big
>> data projects which are end user targets for Concerted. The primary target
>> for Concerted is to be support engine platform for big data projects and
>> Apache Big Data projects are the biggest use cases that we see. Hence, we
>> see the project as a liable candidate for ASF project and since we aim to
>> have Concerted be in sync with needs and use cases for Apache Big Data
>> projects, it seems logical to have Concerted as an ASF project early on and
>> be able to start helping Apache Big Data projects. Community development in
>> this case only means the potential direction or support project might get
>> from Apache Big Data projects that might be interested in Concerted. I
>> assure you that it is not a translation of excessive fascination with
>> Apache brand for us. If we are incorrect please correct us.
>>
>>
>>> In
>>> the end you have to take into account that been a podling introduces
>>> quite
>>> some overhead, which personally I don't find healthy in such very early
>>> stage.
>>>
>>> But well, looks the proposal has enough support, so my opinion is just
>>> that, an individual opinion. Go ahead with the proposal, and all the
>>> best!
>>>
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 10:51 AM, <nu...@ingeniumsys.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> > As a member of Concerted community, I believe that acceptance into ASF
>>> > Incubator is beneficial for Concerted especially in terms of community
>>> > support. Being an independent project on github really does not help
>>> when
>>> > we want to build a healthy community of people interested in Concerted
>>> and
>>> > aiming to take Concerted to ultimate goal we have i.e. being the
>>> primary in
>>> > memory support framework for big data engines. I really feel that
>>> > bootstrapping the existing code base and community into ASF will
>>> generate
>>> > much more interest, visibility and allow the community to be regulated
>>> in a
>>> > much better manner.
>>> >
>>> > Also, I agree with Atri on the fact that since our eventual goal is to
>>> be
>>> > supporting existing big data projects, working with them early on is a
>>> > great way to improve our roadmap and get contributions from those
>>> projects.
>>> >
>>> > As a person who has been revamping Concerted code base for a while
>>> now, I
>>> > believe that the existing code base is a great place to pick up the
>>> main
>>> > development of Concerted.
>>> >
>>> > Nupur
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On 05/10/2015 02:09 PM, Atri Sharma wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> While I do not disagree with the fact that the code base can evolve at
>>> >> github, the situation here is a bit different. Preliminary though it
>>> is,
>>> >> Concerted does have an existing code base. The bigger question is
>>> having
>>> >> the code base evolve at a higher frequency with a wider community.
>>> >>
>>> >> I think that if Concerted becomes a part of ASF Incubator, it has a
>>> much
>>> >> higher chance of evolving into a wider product with a much better
>>> >> alignment
>>> >> with the existing Apache big data ecosystem. Concerted provides the
>>> >> ability
>>> >> to DIY big data in memory support engines, with a high degree of
>>> custom
>>> >> building for each user project.
>>> >>
>>> >> The reason why Concerted is proposed to become part of ASF Incubator
>>> is
>>> >> that Concerted is a small project right now, with a roadmap and a set
>>> of
>>> >> developers. Getting into ASF allows the Concerted project to have much
>>> >> better visibility with existing big data projects, which will then
>>> allow
>>> >> Concerted to be developed with more goals in mind. Please note that
>>> >> eventual goal of Concerted is to be supporting existing big data
>>> engines
>>> >> with on demand custom in memory support. Since the primary target is
>>> >> Apache
>>> >> big data space, I think it makes sense to be bootstrapping into ASF
>>> early
>>> >> on.
>>> >>
>>> >> Second, ASF will allow Concerted to have better community support and
>>> >> management. As mentioned earlier, visibility and integration with
>>> other
>>> >> ASF
>>> >> projects will allow those projects to contribute to Concerted if they
>>> want
>>> >> to mold it. Also, being a part of ASF anyways helps build community
>>> and
>>> >> manage it in a much better manner.
>>> >>
>>> >> I think Roman put it aptly when he mentioned Apache Drill. I think
>>> Apache
>>> >> Drill came to ASF Incubator with a goal and a community, and Concerted
>>> >> comes with the same goal. We already have a small community of active
>>> >> people, and who are excited at prospect of joining the Incubator.
>>> >>
>>> >> Please also note that Concerted does not aim to become a large project
>>> >> like
>>> >> Apache Spark (although that might change with time). Community current
>>> >> aims
>>> >> are to become a lightweight in memory support engine building
>>> framework,
>>> >> with a small but well managed community and code base. So, the
>>> existing
>>> >> code base might actually be a great starting point for us to be
>>> >> bootstrapped into ASF Incubator, build community and build the
>>> existing
>>> >> framework into a much more mature project dedicated at supporting ASF
>>> big
>>> >> data projects.
>>> >>
>>> >> Thoughts?
>>> >>
>>> >> Regards,
>>> >>
>>> >> Atri
>>> >>
>>> >> On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 1:39 PM, Sergio Fernández <wi...@apache.org>
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> Well, I think what we should ask ourselves is if this is actually the
>>> role
>>> >>> of ASF incubation. FMPOV the project will evolve much easier at
>>> github,
>>> >>> and
>>> >>> once the code base becomes a reality we can help mentoring the
>>> project in
>>> >>> the Apache way. But this is just my personal opinion.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 8:18 AM, Ted Dunning <te...@gmail.com>
>>> >>> wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> It looks like there is plenty of mentor-power left on the project. I
>>> >>>> don't
>>> >>>> see why one mentor dropping out from a good and large group is a
>>> >>>> problem.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> On Sun, Oct 4, 2015 at 8:08 AM, Roman Shaposhnik <rv...@apache.org>
>>> >>>> wrote:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> > Hi!
>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> > as some of you know, Atri and I have been
>>> >>>> > discussing his Concerted Proposal lately:
>>> >>>> > https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/ConcertedProposal
>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> > At this point I can no longer offer my mentorship
>>> >>>> > services (I ended up quite overloaded as it is)
>>> >>>> > and I feel it is only fair to Atri if I ask for help here.
>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> > Consider this thread a pre-DICUSS. Concerted isn't
>>> >>>> > what most of the Incubator proposals are these days.
>>> >>>> > It is much more about promise of technology rather
>>> >>>> > than something that exists today. In this it reminds
>>> >>>> > me of Drill a great deal when it just got proposed -- mostly
>>> >>>> > and idea. Not much of an existing code base or product.
>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> > So I guess what I'm asking is an IPMC opinion on
>>> >>>> > how to proceed with this given the mentor situation
>>> >>>> > and the state of technology.
>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> > Please help by chiming in.
>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> > Thanks,
>>> >>>> > Roman.
>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> >
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>>> >>>> > For additional commands, e-mail:
>>> general-help@incubator.apache.org
>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> --
>>> >>> Sergio Fernández
>>> >>> Partner Technology Manager
>>> >>> Redlink GmbH
>>> >>> m: +43 6602747925
>>> >>> e: sergio.fernandez@redlink.co
>>> >>> w: http://redlink.co
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >
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>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Sergio Fernández
>>> Partner Technology Manager
>>> Redlink GmbH
>>> m: +43 6602747925
>>> e: sergio.fernandez@redlink.co
>>> w: http://redlink.co
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Regards,
>>
>> Atri
>> *l'apprenant*
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Atri
> *l'apprenant*
>
--
Regards,
Atri
*l'apprenant*
Re: Concerted Proposal
Posted by Atri Sharma <at...@gmail.com>.
Hi All,
I have posted proposal in Discuss thread.
Please provide your contributions there.
Regards,
Atri
On Wed, Oct 7, 2015 at 12:27 AM, Atri Sharma <at...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks for your opinion.
>
> On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 4:50 PM, Sergio Fernández <wi...@apache.org>
> wrote:
>
>> I just wanted to state the fact that mentoring is not expected to take an
>> active role in technical questions.
>
>
> I agree for that and I understand that we are not looking for technical
> mentoring. However, if our mentors are wishing to help us in that manner,
> we will be more than happy.
>
> Moreover arguing that "bootstrapping
>> the existing code base and community into ASF will generate much more
>> interest" clearly shows an excessive fascination with the Apache brand.
>>
>
> I respectfully disagree. I think the motivation here is not attracting
> more people into the community using Apache brand but manage existing and
> future community using Apache processes. I believe that managing our
> community with the Apache way is a better way of handling the community and
> that is what we mean when we say that the community management process is
> easier and healthier with Apache way.
>
> For the visibility side, we believe that the biggest advantage Concerted
> will have is that it will have a chance to be directed and helped by big
> data projects which are end user targets for Concerted. The primary target
> for Concerted is to be support engine platform for big data projects and
> Apache Big Data projects are the biggest use cases that we see. Hence, we
> see the project as a liable candidate for ASF project and since we aim to
> have Concerted be in sync with needs and use cases for Apache Big Data
> projects, it seems logical to have Concerted as an ASF project early on and
> be able to start helping Apache Big Data projects. Community development in
> this case only means the potential direction or support project might get
> from Apache Big Data projects that might be interested in Concerted. I
> assure you that it is not a translation of excessive fascination with
> Apache brand for us. If we are incorrect please correct us.
>
>
>> In
>> the end you have to take into account that been a podling introduces quite
>> some overhead, which personally I don't find healthy in such very early
>> stage.
>>
>> But well, looks the proposal has enough support, so my opinion is just
>> that, an individual opinion. Go ahead with the proposal, and all the best!
>>
>
> Thank you.
>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 10:51 AM, <nu...@ingeniumsys.com> wrote:
>>
>> > As a member of Concerted community, I believe that acceptance into ASF
>> > Incubator is beneficial for Concerted especially in terms of community
>> > support. Being an independent project on github really does not help
>> when
>> > we want to build a healthy community of people interested in Concerted
>> and
>> > aiming to take Concerted to ultimate goal we have i.e. being the
>> primary in
>> > memory support framework for big data engines. I really feel that
>> > bootstrapping the existing code base and community into ASF will
>> generate
>> > much more interest, visibility and allow the community to be regulated
>> in a
>> > much better manner.
>> >
>> > Also, I agree with Atri on the fact that since our eventual goal is to
>> be
>> > supporting existing big data projects, working with them early on is a
>> > great way to improve our roadmap and get contributions from those
>> projects.
>> >
>> > As a person who has been revamping Concerted code base for a while now,
>> I
>> > believe that the existing code base is a great place to pick up the main
>> > development of Concerted.
>> >
>> > Nupur
>> >
>> >
>> > On 05/10/2015 02:09 PM, Atri Sharma wrote:
>> >
>> >> While I do not disagree with the fact that the code base can evolve at
>> >> github, the situation here is a bit different. Preliminary though it
>> is,
>> >> Concerted does have an existing code base. The bigger question is
>> having
>> >> the code base evolve at a higher frequency with a wider community.
>> >>
>> >> I think that if Concerted becomes a part of ASF Incubator, it has a
>> much
>> >> higher chance of evolving into a wider product with a much better
>> >> alignment
>> >> with the existing Apache big data ecosystem. Concerted provides the
>> >> ability
>> >> to DIY big data in memory support engines, with a high degree of custom
>> >> building for each user project.
>> >>
>> >> The reason why Concerted is proposed to become part of ASF Incubator is
>> >> that Concerted is a small project right now, with a roadmap and a set
>> of
>> >> developers. Getting into ASF allows the Concerted project to have much
>> >> better visibility with existing big data projects, which will then
>> allow
>> >> Concerted to be developed with more goals in mind. Please note that
>> >> eventual goal of Concerted is to be supporting existing big data
>> engines
>> >> with on demand custom in memory support. Since the primary target is
>> >> Apache
>> >> big data space, I think it makes sense to be bootstrapping into ASF
>> early
>> >> on.
>> >>
>> >> Second, ASF will allow Concerted to have better community support and
>> >> management. As mentioned earlier, visibility and integration with other
>> >> ASF
>> >> projects will allow those projects to contribute to Concerted if they
>> want
>> >> to mold it. Also, being a part of ASF anyways helps build community and
>> >> manage it in a much better manner.
>> >>
>> >> I think Roman put it aptly when he mentioned Apache Drill. I think
>> Apache
>> >> Drill came to ASF Incubator with a goal and a community, and Concerted
>> >> comes with the same goal. We already have a small community of active
>> >> people, and who are excited at prospect of joining the Incubator.
>> >>
>> >> Please also note that Concerted does not aim to become a large project
>> >> like
>> >> Apache Spark (although that might change with time). Community current
>> >> aims
>> >> are to become a lightweight in memory support engine building
>> framework,
>> >> with a small but well managed community and code base. So, the existing
>> >> code base might actually be a great starting point for us to be
>> >> bootstrapped into ASF Incubator, build community and build the existing
>> >> framework into a much more mature project dedicated at supporting ASF
>> big
>> >> data projects.
>> >>
>> >> Thoughts?
>> >>
>> >> Regards,
>> >>
>> >> Atri
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 1:39 PM, Sergio Fernández <wi...@apache.org>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Well, I think what we should ask ourselves is if this is actually the
>> role
>> >>> of ASF incubation. FMPOV the project will evolve much easier at
>> github,
>> >>> and
>> >>> once the code base becomes a reality we can help mentoring the
>> project in
>> >>> the Apache way. But this is just my personal opinion.
>> >>>
>> >>> On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 8:18 AM, Ted Dunning <te...@gmail.com>
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> It looks like there is plenty of mentor-power left on the project. I
>> >>>> don't
>> >>>> see why one mentor dropping out from a good and large group is a
>> >>>> problem.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Sun, Oct 4, 2015 at 8:08 AM, Roman Shaposhnik <rv...@apache.org>
>> >>>> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> > Hi!
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > as some of you know, Atri and I have been
>> >>>> > discussing his Concerted Proposal lately:
>> >>>> > https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/ConcertedProposal
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > At this point I can no longer offer my mentorship
>> >>>> > services (I ended up quite overloaded as it is)
>> >>>> > and I feel it is only fair to Atri if I ask for help here.
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > Consider this thread a pre-DICUSS. Concerted isn't
>> >>>> > what most of the Incubator proposals are these days.
>> >>>> > It is much more about promise of technology rather
>> >>>> > than something that exists today. In this it reminds
>> >>>> > me of Drill a great deal when it just got proposed -- mostly
>> >>>> > and idea. Not much of an existing code base or product.
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > So I guess what I'm asking is an IPMC opinion on
>> >>>> > how to proceed with this given the mentor situation
>> >>>> > and the state of technology.
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > Please help by chiming in.
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > Thanks,
>> >>>> > Roman.
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >>>> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org
>> >>>> > For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> --
>> >>> Sergio Fernández
>> >>> Partner Technology Manager
>> >>> Redlink GmbH
>> >>> m: +43 6602747925
>> >>> e: sergio.fernandez@redlink.co
>> >>> w: http://redlink.co
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >
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>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>> --
>> Sergio Fernández
>> Partner Technology Manager
>> Redlink GmbH
>> m: +43 6602747925
>> e: sergio.fernandez@redlink.co
>> w: http://redlink.co
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Atri
> *l'apprenant*
>
--
Regards,
Atri
*l'apprenant*
Re: Concerted Proposal
Posted by Atri Sharma <at...@gmail.com>.
Thanks for your opinion.
On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 4:50 PM, Sergio Fernández <wi...@apache.org> wrote:
> I just wanted to state the fact that mentoring is not expected to take an
> active role in technical questions.
I agree for that and I understand that we are not looking for technical
mentoring. However, if our mentors are wishing to help us in that manner,
we will be more than happy.
Moreover arguing that "bootstrapping
> the existing code base and community into ASF will generate much more
> interest" clearly shows an excessive fascination with the Apache brand.
>
I respectfully disagree. I think the motivation here is not attracting more
people into the community using Apache brand but manage existing and future
community using Apache processes. I believe that managing our community
with the Apache way is a better way of handling the community and that is
what we mean when we say that the community management process is easier
and healthier with Apache way.
For the visibility side, we believe that the biggest advantage Concerted
will have is that it will have a chance to be directed and helped by big
data projects which are end user targets for Concerted. The primary target
for Concerted is to be support engine platform for big data projects and
Apache Big Data projects are the biggest use cases that we see. Hence, we
see the project as a liable candidate for ASF project and since we aim to
have Concerted be in sync with needs and use cases for Apache Big Data
projects, it seems logical to have Concerted as an ASF project early on and
be able to start helping Apache Big Data projects. Community development in
this case only means the potential direction or support project might get
from Apache Big Data projects that might be interested in Concerted. I
assure you that it is not a translation of excessive fascination with
Apache brand for us. If we are incorrect please correct us.
> In
> the end you have to take into account that been a podling introduces quite
> some overhead, which personally I don't find healthy in such very early
> stage.
>
> But well, looks the proposal has enough support, so my opinion is just
> that, an individual opinion. Go ahead with the proposal, and all the best!
>
Thank you.
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 10:51 AM, <nu...@ingeniumsys.com> wrote:
>
> > As a member of Concerted community, I believe that acceptance into ASF
> > Incubator is beneficial for Concerted especially in terms of community
> > support. Being an independent project on github really does not help when
> > we want to build a healthy community of people interested in Concerted
> and
> > aiming to take Concerted to ultimate goal we have i.e. being the primary
> in
> > memory support framework for big data engines. I really feel that
> > bootstrapping the existing code base and community into ASF will generate
> > much more interest, visibility and allow the community to be regulated
> in a
> > much better manner.
> >
> > Also, I agree with Atri on the fact that since our eventual goal is to be
> > supporting existing big data projects, working with them early on is a
> > great way to improve our roadmap and get contributions from those
> projects.
> >
> > As a person who has been revamping Concerted code base for a while now, I
> > believe that the existing code base is a great place to pick up the main
> > development of Concerted.
> >
> > Nupur
> >
> >
> > On 05/10/2015 02:09 PM, Atri Sharma wrote:
> >
> >> While I do not disagree with the fact that the code base can evolve at
> >> github, the situation here is a bit different. Preliminary though it is,
> >> Concerted does have an existing code base. The bigger question is having
> >> the code base evolve at a higher frequency with a wider community.
> >>
> >> I think that if Concerted becomes a part of ASF Incubator, it has a much
> >> higher chance of evolving into a wider product with a much better
> >> alignment
> >> with the existing Apache big data ecosystem. Concerted provides the
> >> ability
> >> to DIY big data in memory support engines, with a high degree of custom
> >> building for each user project.
> >>
> >> The reason why Concerted is proposed to become part of ASF Incubator is
> >> that Concerted is a small project right now, with a roadmap and a set of
> >> developers. Getting into ASF allows the Concerted project to have much
> >> better visibility with existing big data projects, which will then allow
> >> Concerted to be developed with more goals in mind. Please note that
> >> eventual goal of Concerted is to be supporting existing big data engines
> >> with on demand custom in memory support. Since the primary target is
> >> Apache
> >> big data space, I think it makes sense to be bootstrapping into ASF
> early
> >> on.
> >>
> >> Second, ASF will allow Concerted to have better community support and
> >> management. As mentioned earlier, visibility and integration with other
> >> ASF
> >> projects will allow those projects to contribute to Concerted if they
> want
> >> to mold it. Also, being a part of ASF anyways helps build community and
> >> manage it in a much better manner.
> >>
> >> I think Roman put it aptly when he mentioned Apache Drill. I think
> Apache
> >> Drill came to ASF Incubator with a goal and a community, and Concerted
> >> comes with the same goal. We already have a small community of active
> >> people, and who are excited at prospect of joining the Incubator.
> >>
> >> Please also note that Concerted does not aim to become a large project
> >> like
> >> Apache Spark (although that might change with time). Community current
> >> aims
> >> are to become a lightweight in memory support engine building framework,
> >> with a small but well managed community and code base. So, the existing
> >> code base might actually be a great starting point for us to be
> >> bootstrapped into ASF Incubator, build community and build the existing
> >> framework into a much more mature project dedicated at supporting ASF
> big
> >> data projects.
> >>
> >> Thoughts?
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> Atri
> >>
> >> On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 1:39 PM, Sergio Fernández <wi...@apache.org>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> Well, I think what we should ask ourselves is if this is actually the
> role
> >>> of ASF incubation. FMPOV the project will evolve much easier at github,
> >>> and
> >>> once the code base becomes a reality we can help mentoring the project
> in
> >>> the Apache way. But this is just my personal opinion.
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 8:18 AM, Ted Dunning <te...@gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> It looks like there is plenty of mentor-power left on the project. I
> >>>> don't
> >>>> see why one mentor dropping out from a good and large group is a
> >>>> problem.
> >>>>
> >>>> On Sun, Oct 4, 2015 at 8:08 AM, Roman Shaposhnik <rv...@apache.org>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> > Hi!
> >>>> >
> >>>> > as some of you know, Atri and I have been
> >>>> > discussing his Concerted Proposal lately:
> >>>> > https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/ConcertedProposal
> >>>> >
> >>>> > At this point I can no longer offer my mentorship
> >>>> > services (I ended up quite overloaded as it is)
> >>>> > and I feel it is only fair to Atri if I ask for help here.
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Consider this thread a pre-DICUSS. Concerted isn't
> >>>> > what most of the Incubator proposals are these days.
> >>>> > It is much more about promise of technology rather
> >>>> > than something that exists today. In this it reminds
> >>>> > me of Drill a great deal when it just got proposed -- mostly
> >>>> > and idea. Not much of an existing code base or product.
> >>>> >
> >>>> > So I guess what I'm asking is an IPMC opinion on
> >>>> > how to proceed with this given the mentor situation
> >>>> > and the state of technology.
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Please help by chiming in.
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Thanks,
> >>>> > Roman.
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org
> >>>> > For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Sergio Fernández
> >>> Partner Technology Manager
> >>> Redlink GmbH
> >>> m: +43 6602747925
> >>> e: sergio.fernandez@redlink.co
> >>> w: http://redlink.co
> >>>
> >>>
> >
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> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Sergio Fernández
> Partner Technology Manager
> Redlink GmbH
> m: +43 6602747925
> e: sergio.fernandez@redlink.co
> w: http://redlink.co
>
--
Regards,
Atri
*l'apprenant*
Re: Concerted Proposal
Posted by Sergio Fernández <wi...@apache.org>.
I just wanted to state the fact that mentoring is not expected to take an
active role in technical questions. Moreover arguing that "bootstrapping
the existing code base and community into ASF will generate much more
interest" clearly shows an excessive fascination with the Apache brand. In
the end you have to take into account that been a podling introduces quite
some overhead, which personally I don't find healthy in such very early
stage.
But well, looks the proposal has enough support, so my opinion is just
that, an individual opinion. Go ahead with the proposal, and all the best!
On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 10:51 AM, <nu...@ingeniumsys.com> wrote:
> As a member of Concerted community, I believe that acceptance into ASF
> Incubator is beneficial for Concerted especially in terms of community
> support. Being an independent project on github really does not help when
> we want to build a healthy community of people interested in Concerted and
> aiming to take Concerted to ultimate goal we have i.e. being the primary in
> memory support framework for big data engines. I really feel that
> bootstrapping the existing code base and community into ASF will generate
> much more interest, visibility and allow the community to be regulated in a
> much better manner.
>
> Also, I agree with Atri on the fact that since our eventual goal is to be
> supporting existing big data projects, working with them early on is a
> great way to improve our roadmap and get contributions from those projects.
>
> As a person who has been revamping Concerted code base for a while now, I
> believe that the existing code base is a great place to pick up the main
> development of Concerted.
>
> Nupur
>
>
> On 05/10/2015 02:09 PM, Atri Sharma wrote:
>
>> While I do not disagree with the fact that the code base can evolve at
>> github, the situation here is a bit different. Preliminary though it is,
>> Concerted does have an existing code base. The bigger question is having
>> the code base evolve at a higher frequency with a wider community.
>>
>> I think that if Concerted becomes a part of ASF Incubator, it has a much
>> higher chance of evolving into a wider product with a much better
>> alignment
>> with the existing Apache big data ecosystem. Concerted provides the
>> ability
>> to DIY big data in memory support engines, with a high degree of custom
>> building for each user project.
>>
>> The reason why Concerted is proposed to become part of ASF Incubator is
>> that Concerted is a small project right now, with a roadmap and a set of
>> developers. Getting into ASF allows the Concerted project to have much
>> better visibility with existing big data projects, which will then allow
>> Concerted to be developed with more goals in mind. Please note that
>> eventual goal of Concerted is to be supporting existing big data engines
>> with on demand custom in memory support. Since the primary target is
>> Apache
>> big data space, I think it makes sense to be bootstrapping into ASF early
>> on.
>>
>> Second, ASF will allow Concerted to have better community support and
>> management. As mentioned earlier, visibility and integration with other
>> ASF
>> projects will allow those projects to contribute to Concerted if they want
>> to mold it. Also, being a part of ASF anyways helps build community and
>> manage it in a much better manner.
>>
>> I think Roman put it aptly when he mentioned Apache Drill. I think Apache
>> Drill came to ASF Incubator with a goal and a community, and Concerted
>> comes with the same goal. We already have a small community of active
>> people, and who are excited at prospect of joining the Incubator.
>>
>> Please also note that Concerted does not aim to become a large project
>> like
>> Apache Spark (although that might change with time). Community current
>> aims
>> are to become a lightweight in memory support engine building framework,
>> with a small but well managed community and code base. So, the existing
>> code base might actually be a great starting point for us to be
>> bootstrapped into ASF Incubator, build community and build the existing
>> framework into a much more mature project dedicated at supporting ASF big
>> data projects.
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Atri
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 1:39 PM, Sergio Fernández <wi...@apache.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Well, I think what we should ask ourselves is if this is actually the role
>>> of ASF incubation. FMPOV the project will evolve much easier at github,
>>> and
>>> once the code base becomes a reality we can help mentoring the project in
>>> the Apache way. But this is just my personal opinion.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 8:18 AM, Ted Dunning <te...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> It looks like there is plenty of mentor-power left on the project. I
>>>> don't
>>>> see why one mentor dropping out from a good and large group is a
>>>> problem.
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Oct 4, 2015 at 8:08 AM, Roman Shaposhnik <rv...@apache.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > Hi!
>>>> >
>>>> > as some of you know, Atri and I have been
>>>> > discussing his Concerted Proposal lately:
>>>> > https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/ConcertedProposal
>>>> >
>>>> > At this point I can no longer offer my mentorship
>>>> > services (I ended up quite overloaded as it is)
>>>> > and I feel it is only fair to Atri if I ask for help here.
>>>> >
>>>> > Consider this thread a pre-DICUSS. Concerted isn't
>>>> > what most of the Incubator proposals are these days.
>>>> > It is much more about promise of technology rather
>>>> > than something that exists today. In this it reminds
>>>> > me of Drill a great deal when it just got proposed -- mostly
>>>> > and idea. Not much of an existing code base or product.
>>>> >
>>>> > So I guess what I'm asking is an IPMC opinion on
>>>> > how to proceed with this given the mentor situation
>>>> > and the state of technology.
>>>> >
>>>> > Please help by chiming in.
>>>> >
>>>> > Thanks,
>>>> > Roman.
>>>> >
>>>> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org
>>>> > For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Sergio Fernández
>>> Partner Technology Manager
>>> Redlink GmbH
>>> m: +43 6602747925
>>> e: sergio.fernandez@redlink.co
>>> w: http://redlink.co
>>>
>>>
>
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>
--
Sergio Fernández
Partner Technology Manager
Redlink GmbH
m: +43 6602747925
e: sergio.fernandez@redlink.co
w: http://redlink.co
Re: Concerted Proposal
Posted by Greg Stein <gs...@gmail.com>.
Always!
On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 2:05 PM, Atri Sharma <at...@gmail.com> wrote:
> If Incubator PMC sees fit, can I move this thread to a discuss thread to
> discuss accepting of Concerted into ASF Incubator?
> On 5 Oct 2015 14:24, <nu...@ingeniumsys.com> wrote:
>
> > As a member of Concerted community, I believe that acceptance into ASF
> > Incubator is beneficial for Concerted especially in terms of community
> > support. Being an independent project on github really does not help when
> > we want to build a healthy community of people interested in Concerted
> and
> > aiming to take Concerted to ultimate goal we have i.e. being the primary
> in
> > memory support framework for big data engines. I really feel that
> > bootstrapping the existing code base and community into ASF will generate
> > much more interest, visibility and allow the community to be regulated
> in a
> > much better manner.
> >
> > Also, I agree with Atri on the fact that since our eventual goal is to be
> > supporting existing big data projects, working with them early on is a
> > great way to improve our roadmap and get contributions from those
> projects.
> >
> > As a person who has been revamping Concerted code base for a while now, I
> > believe that the existing code base is a great place to pick up the main
> > development of Concerted.
> >
> > Nupur
> >
> > On 05/10/2015 02:09 PM, Atri Sharma wrote:
> >
> >> While I do not disagree with the fact that the code base can evolve at
> >> github, the situation here is a bit different. Preliminary though it is,
> >> Concerted does have an existing code base. The bigger question is having
> >> the code base evolve at a higher frequency with a wider community.
> >>
> >> I think that if Concerted becomes a part of ASF Incubator, it has a much
> >> higher chance of evolving into a wider product with a much better
> >> alignment
> >> with the existing Apache big data ecosystem. Concerted provides the
> >> ability
> >> to DIY big data in memory support engines, with a high degree of custom
> >> building for each user project.
> >>
> >> The reason why Concerted is proposed to become part of ASF Incubator is
> >> that Concerted is a small project right now, with a roadmap and a set of
> >> developers. Getting into ASF allows the Concerted project to have much
> >> better visibility with existing big data projects, which will then allow
> >> Concerted to be developed with more goals in mind. Please note that
> >> eventual goal of Concerted is to be supporting existing big data engines
> >> with on demand custom in memory support. Since the primary target is
> >> Apache
> >> big data space, I think it makes sense to be bootstrapping into ASF
> early
> >> on.
> >>
> >> Second, ASF will allow Concerted to have better community support and
> >> management. As mentioned earlier, visibility and integration with other
> >> ASF
> >> projects will allow those projects to contribute to Concerted if they
> want
> >> to mold it. Also, being a part of ASF anyways helps build community and
> >> manage it in a much better manner.
> >>
> >> I think Roman put it aptly when he mentioned Apache Drill. I think
> Apache
> >> Drill came to ASF Incubator with a goal and a community, and Concerted
> >> comes with the same goal. We already have a small community of active
> >> people, and who are excited at prospect of joining the Incubator.
> >>
> >> Please also note that Concerted does not aim to become a large project
> >> like
> >> Apache Spark (although that might change with time). Community current
> >> aims
> >> are to become a lightweight in memory support engine building framework,
> >> with a small but well managed community and code base. So, the existing
> >> code base might actually be a great starting point for us to be
> >> bootstrapped into ASF Incubator, build community and build the existing
> >> framework into a much more mature project dedicated at supporting ASF
> big
> >> data projects.
> >>
> >> Thoughts?
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> Atri
> >>
> >> On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 1:39 PM, Sergio Fernández <wi...@apache.org>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> Well, I think what we should ask ourselves is if this is actually the
> role
> >>> of ASF incubation. FMPOV the project will evolve much easier at github,
> >>> and
> >>> once the code base becomes a reality we can help mentoring the project
> in
> >>> the Apache way. But this is just my personal opinion.
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 8:18 AM, Ted Dunning <te...@gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> It looks like there is plenty of mentor-power left on the project. I
> >>>> don't
> >>>> see why one mentor dropping out from a good and large group is a
> >>>> problem.
> >>>>
> >>>> On Sun, Oct 4, 2015 at 8:08 AM, Roman Shaposhnik <rv...@apache.org>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> > Hi!
> >>>> >
> >>>> > as some of you know, Atri and I have been
> >>>> > discussing his Concerted Proposal lately:
> >>>> > https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/ConcertedProposal
> >>>> >
> >>>> > At this point I can no longer offer my mentorship
> >>>> > services (I ended up quite overloaded as it is)
> >>>> > and I feel it is only fair to Atri if I ask for help here.
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Consider this thread a pre-DICUSS. Concerted isn't
> >>>> > what most of the Incubator proposals are these days.
> >>>> > It is much more about promise of technology rather
> >>>> > than something that exists today. In this it reminds
> >>>> > me of Drill a great deal when it just got proposed -- mostly
> >>>> > and idea. Not much of an existing code base or product.
> >>>> >
> >>>> > So I guess what I'm asking is an IPMC opinion on
> >>>> > how to proceed with this given the mentor situation
> >>>> > and the state of technology.
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Please help by chiming in.
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Thanks,
> >>>> > Roman.
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org
> >>>> > For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Sergio Fernández
> >>> Partner Technology Manager
> >>> Redlink GmbH
> >>> m: +43 6602747925
> >>> e: sergio.fernandez@redlink.co
> >>> w: http://redlink.co
> >>>
> >>>
> >
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> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org
> > For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org
> >
> >
>
Re: Concerted Proposal
Posted by Atri Sharma <at...@gmail.com>.
If Incubator PMC sees fit, can I move this thread to a discuss thread to
discuss accepting of Concerted into ASF Incubator?
On 5 Oct 2015 14:24, <nu...@ingeniumsys.com> wrote:
> As a member of Concerted community, I believe that acceptance into ASF
> Incubator is beneficial for Concerted especially in terms of community
> support. Being an independent project on github really does not help when
> we want to build a healthy community of people interested in Concerted and
> aiming to take Concerted to ultimate goal we have i.e. being the primary in
> memory support framework for big data engines. I really feel that
> bootstrapping the existing code base and community into ASF will generate
> much more interest, visibility and allow the community to be regulated in a
> much better manner.
>
> Also, I agree with Atri on the fact that since our eventual goal is to be
> supporting existing big data projects, working with them early on is a
> great way to improve our roadmap and get contributions from those projects.
>
> As a person who has been revamping Concerted code base for a while now, I
> believe that the existing code base is a great place to pick up the main
> development of Concerted.
>
> Nupur
>
> On 05/10/2015 02:09 PM, Atri Sharma wrote:
>
>> While I do not disagree with the fact that the code base can evolve at
>> github, the situation here is a bit different. Preliminary though it is,
>> Concerted does have an existing code base. The bigger question is having
>> the code base evolve at a higher frequency with a wider community.
>>
>> I think that if Concerted becomes a part of ASF Incubator, it has a much
>> higher chance of evolving into a wider product with a much better
>> alignment
>> with the existing Apache big data ecosystem. Concerted provides the
>> ability
>> to DIY big data in memory support engines, with a high degree of custom
>> building for each user project.
>>
>> The reason why Concerted is proposed to become part of ASF Incubator is
>> that Concerted is a small project right now, with a roadmap and a set of
>> developers. Getting into ASF allows the Concerted project to have much
>> better visibility with existing big data projects, which will then allow
>> Concerted to be developed with more goals in mind. Please note that
>> eventual goal of Concerted is to be supporting existing big data engines
>> with on demand custom in memory support. Since the primary target is
>> Apache
>> big data space, I think it makes sense to be bootstrapping into ASF early
>> on.
>>
>> Second, ASF will allow Concerted to have better community support and
>> management. As mentioned earlier, visibility and integration with other
>> ASF
>> projects will allow those projects to contribute to Concerted if they want
>> to mold it. Also, being a part of ASF anyways helps build community and
>> manage it in a much better manner.
>>
>> I think Roman put it aptly when he mentioned Apache Drill. I think Apache
>> Drill came to ASF Incubator with a goal and a community, and Concerted
>> comes with the same goal. We already have a small community of active
>> people, and who are excited at prospect of joining the Incubator.
>>
>> Please also note that Concerted does not aim to become a large project
>> like
>> Apache Spark (although that might change with time). Community current
>> aims
>> are to become a lightweight in memory support engine building framework,
>> with a small but well managed community and code base. So, the existing
>> code base might actually be a great starting point for us to be
>> bootstrapped into ASF Incubator, build community and build the existing
>> framework into a much more mature project dedicated at supporting ASF big
>> data projects.
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Atri
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 1:39 PM, Sergio Fernández <wi...@apache.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Well, I think what we should ask ourselves is if this is actually the role
>>> of ASF incubation. FMPOV the project will evolve much easier at github,
>>> and
>>> once the code base becomes a reality we can help mentoring the project in
>>> the Apache way. But this is just my personal opinion.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 8:18 AM, Ted Dunning <te...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> It looks like there is plenty of mentor-power left on the project. I
>>>> don't
>>>> see why one mentor dropping out from a good and large group is a
>>>> problem.
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Oct 4, 2015 at 8:08 AM, Roman Shaposhnik <rv...@apache.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > Hi!
>>>> >
>>>> > as some of you know, Atri and I have been
>>>> > discussing his Concerted Proposal lately:
>>>> > https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/ConcertedProposal
>>>> >
>>>> > At this point I can no longer offer my mentorship
>>>> > services (I ended up quite overloaded as it is)
>>>> > and I feel it is only fair to Atri if I ask for help here.
>>>> >
>>>> > Consider this thread a pre-DICUSS. Concerted isn't
>>>> > what most of the Incubator proposals are these days.
>>>> > It is much more about promise of technology rather
>>>> > than something that exists today. In this it reminds
>>>> > me of Drill a great deal when it just got proposed -- mostly
>>>> > and idea. Not much of an existing code base or product.
>>>> >
>>>> > So I guess what I'm asking is an IPMC opinion on
>>>> > how to proceed with this given the mentor situation
>>>> > and the state of technology.
>>>> >
>>>> > Please help by chiming in.
>>>> >
>>>> > Thanks,
>>>> > Roman.
>>>> >
>>>> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org
>>>> > For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Sergio Fernández
>>> Partner Technology Manager
>>> Redlink GmbH
>>> m: +43 6602747925
>>> e: sergio.fernandez@redlink.co
>>> w: http://redlink.co
>>>
>>>
>
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>
Re: Concerted Proposal
Posted by nu...@ingeniumsys.com.
As a member of Concerted community, I believe that acceptance into ASF
Incubator is beneficial for Concerted especially in terms of community
support. Being an independent project on github really does not help
when we want to build a healthy community of people interested in
Concerted and aiming to take Concerted to ultimate goal we have i.e.
being the primary in memory support framework for big data engines. I
really feel that bootstrapping the existing code base and community into
ASF will generate much more interest, visibility and allow the community
to be regulated in a much better manner.
Also, I agree with Atri on the fact that since our eventual goal is to
be supporting existing big data projects, working with them early on is
a great way to improve our roadmap and get contributions from those
projects.
As a person who has been revamping Concerted code base for a while now,
I believe that the existing code base is a great place to pick up the
main development of Concerted.
Nupur
On 05/10/2015 02:09 PM, Atri Sharma wrote:
> While I do not disagree with the fact that the code base can evolve at
> github, the situation here is a bit different. Preliminary though it
> is,
> Concerted does have an existing code base. The bigger question is
> having
> the code base evolve at a higher frequency with a wider community.
>
> I think that if Concerted becomes a part of ASF Incubator, it has a
> much
> higher chance of evolving into a wider product with a much better
> alignment
> with the existing Apache big data ecosystem. Concerted provides the
> ability
> to DIY big data in memory support engines, with a high degree of custom
> building for each user project.
>
> The reason why Concerted is proposed to become part of ASF Incubator is
> that Concerted is a small project right now, with a roadmap and a set
> of
> developers. Getting into ASF allows the Concerted project to have much
> better visibility with existing big data projects, which will then
> allow
> Concerted to be developed with more goals in mind. Please note that
> eventual goal of Concerted is to be supporting existing big data
> engines
> with on demand custom in memory support. Since the primary target is
> Apache
> big data space, I think it makes sense to be bootstrapping into ASF
> early
> on.
>
> Second, ASF will allow Concerted to have better community support and
> management. As mentioned earlier, visibility and integration with other
> ASF
> projects will allow those projects to contribute to Concerted if they
> want
> to mold it. Also, being a part of ASF anyways helps build community and
> manage it in a much better manner.
>
> I think Roman put it aptly when he mentioned Apache Drill. I think
> Apache
> Drill came to ASF Incubator with a goal and a community, and Concerted
> comes with the same goal. We already have a small community of active
> people, and who are excited at prospect of joining the Incubator.
>
> Please also note that Concerted does not aim to become a large project
> like
> Apache Spark (although that might change with time). Community current
> aims
> are to become a lightweight in memory support engine building
> framework,
> with a small but well managed community and code base. So, the existing
> code base might actually be a great starting point for us to be
> bootstrapped into ASF Incubator, build community and build the existing
> framework into a much more mature project dedicated at supporting ASF
> big
> data projects.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Regards,
>
> Atri
>
> On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 1:39 PM, Sergio Fernández <wi...@apache.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Well, I think what we should ask ourselves is if this is actually the
>> role
>> of ASF incubation. FMPOV the project will evolve much easier at
>> github, and
>> once the code base becomes a reality we can help mentoring the project
>> in
>> the Apache way. But this is just my personal opinion.
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 8:18 AM, Ted Dunning <te...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> It looks like there is plenty of mentor-power left on the project. I
>>> don't
>>> see why one mentor dropping out from a good and large group is a
>>> problem.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Oct 4, 2015 at 8:08 AM, Roman Shaposhnik <rv...@apache.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> > Hi!
>>> >
>>> > as some of you know, Atri and I have been
>>> > discussing his Concerted Proposal lately:
>>> > https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/ConcertedProposal
>>> >
>>> > At this point I can no longer offer my mentorship
>>> > services (I ended up quite overloaded as it is)
>>> > and I feel it is only fair to Atri if I ask for help here.
>>> >
>>> > Consider this thread a pre-DICUSS. Concerted isn't
>>> > what most of the Incubator proposals are these days.
>>> > It is much more about promise of technology rather
>>> > than something that exists today. In this it reminds
>>> > me of Drill a great deal when it just got proposed -- mostly
>>> > and idea. Not much of an existing code base or product.
>>> >
>>> > So I guess what I'm asking is an IPMC opinion on
>>> > how to proceed with this given the mentor situation
>>> > and the state of technology.
>>> >
>>> > Please help by chiming in.
>>> >
>>> > Thanks,
>>> > Roman.
>>> >
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>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: Concerted Proposal
Posted by Atri Sharma <at...@gmail.com>.
While I do not disagree with the fact that the code base can evolve at
github, the situation here is a bit different. Preliminary though it is,
Concerted does have an existing code base. The bigger question is having
the code base evolve at a higher frequency with a wider community.
I think that if Concerted becomes a part of ASF Incubator, it has a much
higher chance of evolving into a wider product with a much better alignment
with the existing Apache big data ecosystem. Concerted provides the ability
to DIY big data in memory support engines, with a high degree of custom
building for each user project.
The reason why Concerted is proposed to become part of ASF Incubator is
that Concerted is a small project right now, with a roadmap and a set of
developers. Getting into ASF allows the Concerted project to have much
better visibility with existing big data projects, which will then allow
Concerted to be developed with more goals in mind. Please note that
eventual goal of Concerted is to be supporting existing big data engines
with on demand custom in memory support. Since the primary target is Apache
big data space, I think it makes sense to be bootstrapping into ASF early
on.
Second, ASF will allow Concerted to have better community support and
management. As mentioned earlier, visibility and integration with other ASF
projects will allow those projects to contribute to Concerted if they want
to mold it. Also, being a part of ASF anyways helps build community and
manage it in a much better manner.
I think Roman put it aptly when he mentioned Apache Drill. I think Apache
Drill came to ASF Incubator with a goal and a community, and Concerted
comes with the same goal. We already have a small community of active
people, and who are excited at prospect of joining the Incubator.
Please also note that Concerted does not aim to become a large project like
Apache Spark (although that might change with time). Community current aims
are to become a lightweight in memory support engine building framework,
with a small but well managed community and code base. So, the existing
code base might actually be a great starting point for us to be
bootstrapped into ASF Incubator, build community and build the existing
framework into a much more mature project dedicated at supporting ASF big
data projects.
Thoughts?
Regards,
Atri
On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 1:39 PM, Sergio Fernández <wi...@apache.org> wrote:
> Well, I think what we should ask ourselves is if this is actually the role
> of ASF incubation. FMPOV the project will evolve much easier at github, and
> once the code base becomes a reality we can help mentoring the project in
> the Apache way. But this is just my personal opinion.
>
> On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 8:18 AM, Ted Dunning <te...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> It looks like there is plenty of mentor-power left on the project. I don't
>> see why one mentor dropping out from a good and large group is a problem.
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 4, 2015 at 8:08 AM, Roman Shaposhnik <rv...@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>> > Hi!
>> >
>> > as some of you know, Atri and I have been
>> > discussing his Concerted Proposal lately:
>> > https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/ConcertedProposal
>> >
>> > At this point I can no longer offer my mentorship
>> > services (I ended up quite overloaded as it is)
>> > and I feel it is only fair to Atri if I ask for help here.
>> >
>> > Consider this thread a pre-DICUSS. Concerted isn't
>> > what most of the Incubator proposals are these days.
>> > It is much more about promise of technology rather
>> > than something that exists today. In this it reminds
>> > me of Drill a great deal when it just got proposed -- mostly
>> > and idea. Not much of an existing code base or product.
>> >
>> > So I guess what I'm asking is an IPMC opinion on
>> > how to proceed with this given the mentor situation
>> > and the state of technology.
>> >
>> > Please help by chiming in.
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > Roman.
>> >
>> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org
>> > For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org
>> >
>> >
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Sergio Fernández
> Partner Technology Manager
> Redlink GmbH
> m: +43 6602747925
> e: sergio.fernandez@redlink.co
> w: http://redlink.co
>
--
Regards,
Atri
*l'apprenant*
Re: Concerted Proposal
Posted by Sergio Fernández <wi...@apache.org>.
Well, I think what we should ask ourselves is if this is actually the role
of ASF incubation. FMPOV the project will evolve much easier at github, and
once the code base becomes a reality we can help mentoring the project in
the Apache way. But this is just my personal opinion.
On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 8:18 AM, Ted Dunning <te...@gmail.com> wrote:
> It looks like there is plenty of mentor-power left on the project. I don't
> see why one mentor dropping out from a good and large group is a problem.
>
> On Sun, Oct 4, 2015 at 8:08 AM, Roman Shaposhnik <rv...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> > Hi!
> >
> > as some of you know, Atri and I have been
> > discussing his Concerted Proposal lately:
> > https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/ConcertedProposal
> >
> > At this point I can no longer offer my mentorship
> > services (I ended up quite overloaded as it is)
> > and I feel it is only fair to Atri if I ask for help here.
> >
> > Consider this thread a pre-DICUSS. Concerted isn't
> > what most of the Incubator proposals are these days.
> > It is much more about promise of technology rather
> > than something that exists today. In this it reminds
> > me of Drill a great deal when it just got proposed -- mostly
> > and idea. Not much of an existing code base or product.
> >
> > So I guess what I'm asking is an IPMC opinion on
> > how to proceed with this given the mentor situation
> > and the state of technology.
> >
> > Please help by chiming in.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Roman.
> >
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org
> > For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org
> >
> >
>
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Re: Concerted Proposal
Posted by Ted Dunning <te...@gmail.com>.
It looks like there is plenty of mentor-power left on the project. I don't
see why one mentor dropping out from a good and large group is a problem.
On Sun, Oct 4, 2015 at 8:08 AM, Roman Shaposhnik <rv...@apache.org> wrote:
> Hi!
>
> as some of you know, Atri and I have been
> discussing his Concerted Proposal lately:
> https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/ConcertedProposal
>
> At this point I can no longer offer my mentorship
> services (I ended up quite overloaded as it is)
> and I feel it is only fair to Atri if I ask for help here.
>
> Consider this thread a pre-DICUSS. Concerted isn't
> what most of the Incubator proposals are these days.
> It is much more about promise of technology rather
> than something that exists today. In this it reminds
> me of Drill a great deal when it just got proposed -- mostly
> and idea. Not much of an existing code base or product.
>
> So I guess what I'm asking is an IPMC opinion on
> how to proceed with this given the mentor situation
> and the state of technology.
>
> Please help by chiming in.
>
> Thanks,
> Roman.
>
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