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Posted to dev@cocoon.apache.org by Antonio Gallardo <ag...@agssa.net> on 2005/09/09 17:09:59 UTC
Re: svn commit: r279762 - in /cocoon/branches/BRANCH_2_1_X: legal/msv-20030225.jar.license.txt
lib/optional/msv-20030225.jar src/blocks/validation/java/org/apache/cocoon/components/validation/Validator.java
pier@apache.org wrote:
>Author: pier
>Date: Fri Sep 9 05:56:29 2005
>New Revision: 279762
>
>URL: http://svn.apache.org/viewcvs?rev=279762&view=rev
>Log:
>Adding SCHEMATRON (ISO and non) grammar identifiers for Gianugo.
>Importing Sun's MSV (it has an Apache license)
>
>Added: cocoon/branches/BRANCH_2_1_X/legal/msv-20030225.jar.license.txt
>URL: http://svn.apache.org/viewcvs/cocoon/branches/BRANCH_2_1_X/legal/msv-20030225.jar.license.txt?rev=279762&view=auto
>==============================================================================
>...
>+You acknowledge that Software is not designed,licensed or
>+intended for use in the design, construction, operation or
>+maintenance of any nuclear facility.
>+
>
>
Is this not an additional restriction to the ASL?
I was reviewing the archives and I was unable to find a clear "Yes" or
"Don't" for the "nuclear facility" clausule.
Best Regards,
Antonio Gallardo.
Re: svn commit: r279762 - in /cocoon/branches/BRANCH_2_1_X: legal/msv-20030225.jar.license.txt lib/optional/msv-20030225.jar src/blocks/validation/java/org/apache/cocoon/components/validation/Validator.java
Posted by Pier Fumagalli <pi...@betaversion.org>.
On 11 Sep 2005, at 08:07, Antonio Gallardo wrote:
> Pier Fumagalli wrote:
>> On 10 Sep 2005, at 20:17, Antonio Gallardo wrote:
>>
>> Darn... I wish you found that when I posted the license before
>> committing...
>>
>> http://www.mail-archive.com/dev@cocoon.apache.org/msg34406.html
>>
>
> Yep. I am really sorry for not having time to search the mail
> before the weekend. :-(
No worries... My bad... I should've checked more thoroughly first.
Pier
Re: svn commit: r279762 - in /cocoon/branches/BRANCH_2_1_X: legal/msv-20030225.jar.license.txt
lib/optional/msv-20030225.jar src/blocks/validation/java/org/apache/cocoon/components/validation/Validator.java
Posted by Antonio Gallardo <ag...@agssa.net>.
Pier Fumagalli wrote:
> On 10 Sep 2005, at 20:17, Antonio Gallardo wrote:
>
>> Ralph Goers wrote:
>>
>>> Ralph Goers wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I seem to remember reading on legal-discuss that the "nuclear
>>>> clause" is incompatible with the ASL. If true, any components
>>>> with such a license can not be disctributed with our code or
>>>> reside in SVN.
>>>>
>>>> Ralph
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Faulty memory. The only reference I could find was at http://
>>> wiki.apache.org/jakarta/LicenceIssues which, of course, is not
>>> "official" ASF policy.
>>
>>
>> I found it!
>>
>> http://www.mail-archive.com/dev@cocoon.apache.org/msg18202.html
>
>
> Darn... I wish you found that when I posted the license before
> committing...
>
> http://www.mail-archive.com/dev@cocoon.apache.org/msg34406.html
Yep. I am really sorry for not having time to search the mail before the
weekend. :-(
Best Regards,
Antonio Gallardo.
Re: svn commit: r279762 - in /cocoon/branches/BRANCH_2_1_X: legal/msv-20030225.jar.license.txt lib/optional/msv-20030225.jar src/blocks/validation/java/org/apache/cocoon/components/validation/Validator.java
Posted by David Crossley <cr...@apache.org>.
Pier Fumagalli wrote:
> David Crossley wrote:
>
> >Ah i see now where my extra comments in msg18202 came from:
> >I refererred to an additional file called "copyright.txt"
> >which must have had extra restrictions. Don't know if
> >that is still the same today.
>
> The copyright.txt just states that it's (C) Sun and that it might
> contain some of their patents... So, stating the obvious, but not
> restrictions.
Oh, i hate to be a license spook, but ...
I see by the filenames at this commit that you got
the old version from
http://www.sun.com/software/xml/developers/multischema/
The new version is at http://msv.dev.java.net/
However either way, the copyright.txt is practically the same.
It says:
"
...This product is distributed under licenses
restricting its use, copying, distribution, and decompilation. No part
of this product may be reproduced in any form by any means without
prior written authorization of Sun and its licensors, if any.
..."
Maybe it is the "if any" at the end that saves us :-)
Seriously, it does not look good.
-David
Re: svn commit: r279762 - in /cocoon/branches/BRANCH_2_1_X: legal/msv-20030225.jar.license.txt lib/optional/msv-20030225.jar src/blocks/validation/java/org/apache/cocoon/components/validation/Validator.java
Posted by Pier Fumagalli <pi...@betaversion.org>.
On 11 Sep 2005, at 07:05, David Crossley wrote:
> Ah i see now where my extra comments in msg18202 came from:
> I refererred to an additional file called "copyright.txt"
> which must have had extra restrictions. Don't know if
> that is still the same today.
The copyright.txt just states that it's (C) Sun and that it might
contain some of their patents... So, stating the obvious, but not
restrictions.
Pier
Re: svn commit: r279762 - in /cocoon/branches/BRANCH_2_1_X: legal/msv-20030225.jar.license.txt lib/optional/msv-20030225.jar src/blocks/validation/java/org/apache/cocoon/components/validation/Validator.java
Posted by David Crossley <cr...@apache.org>.
Pier Fumagalli wrote:
> David Crossley wrote:
> >>>
> >>>http://www.mail-archive.com/dev@cocoon.apache.org/msg18202.html
> >>
> >>Darn... I wish you found that when I posted the license before
> >>committing...
> >>
> >>http://www.mail-archive.com/dev@cocoon.apache.org/msg34406.html
> >
> >The License that Pier shows in msg34406 is not
> >the same one as was commented on in msg18202.
> >The main comments do not match, only the nuclear
> >thing still remains.
>
> As far as I can see I can't see any difference between the one that
> was discussed in 2004 (the thread Antonio pointed out) and the one I
> posted last week:
>
> Original 2k4 thread:
>
> http://www.mail-archive.com/dev@cocoon.apache.org/msg18195.html
>
> My post:
>
> http://www.mail-archive.com/dev@cocoon.apache.org/msg34406.html
Ah i see now where my extra comments in msg18202 came from:
I refererred to an additional file called "copyright.txt"
which must have had extra restrictions. Don't know if
that is still the same today.
Anyway, legal-discuss@ is the place to take it and if
it gets complex then Cliff will probably pick up the
issue from there.
-David
Re: svn commit: r279762 - in /cocoon/branches/BRANCH_2_1_X: legal/msv-20030225.jar.license.txt lib/optional/msv-20030225.jar src/blocks/validation/java/org/apache/cocoon/components/validation/Validator.java
Posted by Pier Fumagalli <pi...@betaversion.org>.
On 11 Sep 2005, at 01:19, David Crossley wrote:
>>> I found it!
>>>
>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/dev@cocoon.apache.org/msg18202.html
>>>
>>
>> Darn... I wish you found that when I posted the license before
>> committing...
>>
>> http://www.mail-archive.com/dev@cocoon.apache.org/msg34406.html
>
> The License that Pier shows in msg34406 is not
> the same one as was commented on in msg18202.
> The main comments do not match, only the nuclear
> thing still remains.
As far as I can see I can't see any difference between the one that
was discussed in 2004 (the thread Antonio pointed out) and the one I
posted last week:
Original 2k4 thread:
http://www.mail-archive.com/dev@cocoon.apache.org/msg18195.html
My post:
http://www.mail-archive.com/dev@cocoon.apache.org/msg34406.html
Pier
Re: svn commit: r279762 - in /cocoon/branches/BRANCH_2_1_X: legal/msv-20030225.jar.license.txt lib/optional/msv-20030225.jar src/blocks/validation/java/org/apache/cocoon/components/validation/Validator.java
Posted by Niclas Hedhman <ni...@hedhman.org>.
On Sunday 11 September 2005 09:24, Pier Fumagalli wrote:
> Skolnick or Wooley?
Cliff Schmidt
Cheers
Niclas
Re: svn commit: r279762 - in /cocoon/branches/BRANCH_2_1_X: legal/msv-20030225.jar.license.txt lib/optional/msv-20030225.jar src/blocks/validation/java/org/apache/cocoon/components/validation/Validator.java
Posted by Pier Fumagalli <pi...@betaversion.org>.
On 11 Sep 2005, at 01:23, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
>
> We have a Legal VP now :-)
>
> Pier, if you want to use that code, send a comment to Cliff.
Skolnick or Wooley?
> Also, we could also tell sun to remove that clause or to relicense
> under CDDL.
Nah, just make some mock classes and re-distribute... We've got 90%
of the functionality in there implemented. Someone smart might even
be able to use Xerces to do DTD validation, rather than using MSV.
For now, I just want to finalize the API for validation and clean up
that block...
Pier
Re: svn commit: r279762 - in /cocoon/branches/BRANCH_2_1_X: legal/msv-20030225.jar.license.txt
lib/optional/msv-20030225.jar src/blocks/validation/java/org/apache/cocoon/components/validation/Validator.java
Posted by Stefano Mazzocchi <st...@apache.org>.
David Crossley wrote:
> Pier Fumagalli wrote:
>
>>Antonio Gallardo wrote:
>>
>>>Ralph Goers wrote:
>>>
>>>>Ralph Goers wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>I seem to remember reading on legal-discuss that the "nuclear
>>>>>clause" is incompatible with the ASL. If true, any components
>>>>>with such a license can not be disctributed with our code or
>>>>>reside in SVN.
>>>>>
>>>>>Ralph
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Faulty memory. The only reference I could find was at http://
>>>>wiki.apache.org/jakarta/LicenceIssues which, of course, is not
>>>>"official" ASF policy.
>>>
>>>I found it!
>>>
>>>http://www.mail-archive.com/dev@cocoon.apache.org/msg18202.html
>>
>>Darn... I wish you found that when I posted the license before
>>committing...
>>
>>http://www.mail-archive.com/dev@cocoon.apache.org/msg34406.html
>
>
> The License that Pier shows in msg34406 is not
> the same one as was commented on in msg18202.
> The main comments do not match, only the nuclear
> thing still remains.
>
> We are not lawyers, so someone should clear this up
> with the ASF license-discuss list.
We have a Legal VP now :-)
Pier, if you want to use that code, send a comment to Cliff.
Also, we could also tell sun to remove that clause or to relicense under
CDDL.
--
Stefano.
Re: svn commit: r279762 - in /cocoon/branches/BRANCH_2_1_X: legal/msv-20030225.jar.license.txt lib/optional/msv-20030225.jar src/blocks/validation/java/org/apache/cocoon/components/validation/Validator.java
Posted by David Crossley <cr...@apache.org>.
Pier Fumagalli wrote:
> Antonio Gallardo wrote:
> >Ralph Goers wrote:
> >>Ralph Goers wrote:
> >>>
> >>>I seem to remember reading on legal-discuss that the "nuclear
> >>>clause" is incompatible with the ASL. If true, any components
> >>>with such a license can not be disctributed with our code or
> >>>reside in SVN.
> >>>
> >>>Ralph
> >>>
> >>>
> >>Faulty memory. The only reference I could find was at http://
> >>wiki.apache.org/jakarta/LicenceIssues which, of course, is not
> >>"official" ASF policy.
> >
> >I found it!
> >
> >http://www.mail-archive.com/dev@cocoon.apache.org/msg18202.html
>
> Darn... I wish you found that when I posted the license before
> committing...
>
> http://www.mail-archive.com/dev@cocoon.apache.org/msg34406.html
The License that Pier shows in msg34406 is not
the same one as was commented on in msg18202.
The main comments do not match, only the nuclear
thing still remains.
We are not lawyers, so someone should clear this up
with the ASF license-discuss list.
-David
Re: svn commit: r279762 - in /cocoon/branches/BRANCH_2_1_X: legal/msv-20030225.jar.license.txt lib/optional/msv-20030225.jar src/blocks/validation/java/org/apache/cocoon/components/validation/Validator.java
Posted by Pier Fumagalli <pi...@betaversion.org>.
On 10 Sep 2005, at 20:17, Antonio Gallardo wrote:
> Ralph Goers wrote:
>> Ralph Goers wrote:
>>>
>>> I seem to remember reading on legal-discuss that the "nuclear
>>> clause" is incompatible with the ASL. If true, any components
>>> with such a license can not be disctributed with our code or
>>> reside in SVN.
>>>
>>> Ralph
>>>
>>>
>> Faulty memory. The only reference I could find was at http://
>> wiki.apache.org/jakarta/LicenceIssues which, of course, is not
>> "official" ASF policy.
>
> I found it!
>
> http://www.mail-archive.com/dev@cocoon.apache.org/msg18202.html
Darn... I wish you found that when I posted the license before
committing...
http://www.mail-archive.com/dev@cocoon.apache.org/msg34406.html
Pier
Re: svn commit: r279762 - in /cocoon/branches/BRANCH_2_1_X: legal/msv-20030225.jar.license.txt
lib/optional/msv-20030225.jar src/blocks/validation/java/org/apache/cocoon/components/validation/Validator.java
Posted by Antonio Gallardo <ag...@agssa.net>.
Ralph Goers wrote:
> Ralph Goers wrote:
>
>>
>> I seem to remember reading on legal-discuss that the "nuclear clause"
>> is incompatible with the ASL. If true, any components with such a
>> license can not be disctributed with our code or reside in SVN.
>>
>> Ralph
>>
> Faulty memory. The only reference I could find was at
> http://wiki.apache.org/jakarta/LicenceIssues which, of course, is not
> "official" ASF policy.
I found it!
http://www.mail-archive.com/dev@cocoon.apache.org/msg18202.html
Best Regards,
Antonio Gallardo
>
> Ralph
Re: svn commit: r279762 - in /cocoon/branches/BRANCH_2_1_X: legal/msv-20030225.jar.license.txt
lib/optional/msv-20030225.jar src/blocks/validation/java/org/apache/cocoon/components/validation/Validator.java
Posted by Ralph Goers <Ra...@dslextreme.com>.
Ralph Goers wrote:
>
> I seem to remember reading on legal-discuss that the "nuclear clause"
> is incompatible with the ASL. If true, any components with such a
> license can not be disctributed with our code or reside in SVN.
>
> Ralph
>
Faulty memory. The only reference I could find was at
http://wiki.apache.org/jakarta/LicenceIssues which, of course, is not
"official" ASF policy.
Ralph
Re: svn commit: r279762 - in /cocoon/branches/BRANCH_2_1_X: legal/msv-20030225.jar.license.txt
lib/optional/msv-20030225.jar src/blocks/validation/java/org/apache/cocoon/components/validation/Validator.java
Posted by Ralph Goers <Ra...@dslextreme.com>.
Antonio Gallardo wrote:
> pier@apache.org wrote:
>
>> Author: pier
>> Date: Fri Sep 9 05:56:29 2005
>> New Revision: 279762
>>
>> URL: http://svn.apache.org/viewcvs?rev=279762&view=rev
>> Log:
>> Adding SCHEMATRON (ISO and non) grammar identifiers for Gianugo.
>> Importing Sun's MSV (it has an Apache license)
>>
>> Added: cocoon/branches/BRANCH_2_1_X/legal/msv-20030225.jar.license.txt
>> URL:
>> http://svn.apache.org/viewcvs/cocoon/branches/BRANCH_2_1_X/legal/msv-20030225.jar.license.txt?rev=279762&view=auto
>>
>> ==============================================================================
>>
>> ...
>> +You acknowledge that Software is not designed,licensed or
>> +intended for use in the design, construction, operation or
>> +maintenance of any nuclear facility.
>> +
>>
>>
> Is this not an additional restriction to the ASL?
>
> I was reviewing the archives and I was unable to find a clear "Yes" or
> "Don't" for the "nuclear facility" clausule.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Antonio Gallardo.
I seem to remember reading on legal-discuss that the "nuclear clause" is
incompatible with the ASL. If true, any components with such a license
can not be disctributed with our code or reside in SVN.
Ralph