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Can TomEE used as a complete replacement for JBoss AS 7
Is it possible to use TomEE as a complete replacement for JBoss AS 7 ? if not
can anyone tell me
1) what lacking in TomEE ?
2) can i deploy an EAR ?
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Re: Can TomEE used as a complete replacement for JBoss AS 7
Posted by Nick <ni...@gmail.com>.
Thanks a lot for all your explanations.... Probably i shouldn't ask this
here, but as a sudden curiosity, So can we expect something from Geronimo
side ?
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Re: Can TomEE used as a complete replacement for JBoss AS 7
Posted by Romain Manni-Bucau <rm...@gmail.com>.
just said G and TomEE philosophies are really different even if both uses
as basis JEE6 and both doesnt aim to answer the needs of the same kind of
users.
- Romain
2012/5/23 dsh <da...@googlemail.com>
> @Romain: I don't understand :)
>
> On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 7:50 PM, Romain Manni-Bucau
> <rm...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > @Daniel: anyone who can understand ;)
> >
> > @Nick: G is JEE6 full certified so you can expect what JEE6 propose
> >
> > - Romain
> >
> >
> > 2012/5/23 dsh <da...@googlemail.com>
> >
> >> To whom does that troll thing go to ?
> >>
> >> On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 10:53 AM, Romain Manni-Bucau
> >> <rm...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > [a little troll]TomEE doesn't aim to do what G does, it does
> less...and
> >> > more on some points[/troll]
> >> >
> >> > well even if we dont aim to make TomEE Full Profile certfied we aim to
> >> make
> >> > TomEE useful so we are really open to enhancements
> >> >
> >> > - Romain
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > 2012/5/23 dsh <da...@googlemail.com>
> >> >
> >> >> TomEE only delivers a subset of what Geronimo delivers so I wouldn't
> >> >> expect it to be a complete replacement for something like JBoss AS...
> >> >> I don't even think that should be its intend...
> >> >>
> >> >> On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 10:39 AM, Nick <ni...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> > Hi Romain,
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Thanks a lot for your explanation, So i doubtful on
> TomEE
> >> >> > scalability for a big project like mine. Complete replacement for
> >> Jboss
> >> >> AS 7
> >> >> > means, can i use TomEE instead of Geronimo.
> >> >> > Anyway, i will try to deploy my ear in TomEE and get back to you
> soon.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I am a great lover of Apache and all your projects, I expects
> >> something
> >> >> to
> >> >> > be come up to beat the JBoss AS 7 or any other Application Server.
> I
> >> >> thought
> >> >> > TomEE could do that :( . I assure all help from my side for this.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Hi Daniel,
> >> >> > I have done a comparison study on all J2EE web servers
> >> among
> >> >> > them Geronimo or any AS is not delivering enough like JBoss AS 7
> can
> >> do.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > --
> >> >> > View this message in context:
> >> >>
> >>
> http://openejb.979440.n4.nabble.com/Can-TomEE-used-as-a-complete-replacement-for-JBoss-AS-7-tp4650015p4651285.html
> >> >> > Sent from the OpenEJB Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
> >> >>
> >>
>
Re: Can TomEE used as a complete replacement for JBoss AS 7
Posted by dsh <da...@googlemail.com>.
@Romain: I don't understand :)
On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 7:50 PM, Romain Manni-Bucau
<rm...@gmail.com> wrote:
> @Daniel: anyone who can understand ;)
>
> @Nick: G is JEE6 full certified so you can expect what JEE6 propose
>
> - Romain
>
>
> 2012/5/23 dsh <da...@googlemail.com>
>
>> To whom does that troll thing go to ?
>>
>> On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 10:53 AM, Romain Manni-Bucau
>> <rm...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > [a little troll]TomEE doesn't aim to do what G does, it does less...and
>> > more on some points[/troll]
>> >
>> > well even if we dont aim to make TomEE Full Profile certfied we aim to
>> make
>> > TomEE useful so we are really open to enhancements
>> >
>> > - Romain
>> >
>> >
>> > 2012/5/23 dsh <da...@googlemail.com>
>> >
>> >> TomEE only delivers a subset of what Geronimo delivers so I wouldn't
>> >> expect it to be a complete replacement for something like JBoss AS...
>> >> I don't even think that should be its intend...
>> >>
>> >> On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 10:39 AM, Nick <ni...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > Hi Romain,
>> >> >
>> >> > Thanks a lot for your explanation, So i doubtful on TomEE
>> >> > scalability for a big project like mine. Complete replacement for
>> Jboss
>> >> AS 7
>> >> > means, can i use TomEE instead of Geronimo.
>> >> > Anyway, i will try to deploy my ear in TomEE and get back to you soon.
>> >> >
>> >> > I am a great lover of Apache and all your projects, I expects
>> something
>> >> to
>> >> > be come up to beat the JBoss AS 7 or any other Application Server. I
>> >> thought
>> >> > TomEE could do that :( . I assure all help from my side for this.
>> >> >
>> >> > Hi Daniel,
>> >> > I have done a comparison study on all J2EE web servers
>> among
>> >> > them Geronimo or any AS is not delivering enough like JBoss AS 7 can
>> do.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > --
>> >> > View this message in context:
>> >>
>> http://openejb.979440.n4.nabble.com/Can-TomEE-used-as-a-complete-replacement-for-JBoss-AS-7-tp4650015p4651285.html
>> >> > Sent from the OpenEJB Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>> >>
>>
Re: Can TomEE used as a complete replacement for JBoss AS 7
Posted by Romain Manni-Bucau <rm...@gmail.com>.
@Daniel: anyone who can understand ;)
@Nick: G is JEE6 full certified so you can expect what JEE6 propose
- Romain
2012/5/23 dsh <da...@googlemail.com>
> To whom does that troll thing go to ?
>
> On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 10:53 AM, Romain Manni-Bucau
> <rm...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > [a little troll]TomEE doesn't aim to do what G does, it does less...and
> > more on some points[/troll]
> >
> > well even if we dont aim to make TomEE Full Profile certfied we aim to
> make
> > TomEE useful so we are really open to enhancements
> >
> > - Romain
> >
> >
> > 2012/5/23 dsh <da...@googlemail.com>
> >
> >> TomEE only delivers a subset of what Geronimo delivers so I wouldn't
> >> expect it to be a complete replacement for something like JBoss AS...
> >> I don't even think that should be its intend...
> >>
> >> On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 10:39 AM, Nick <ni...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > Hi Romain,
> >> >
> >> > Thanks a lot for your explanation, So i doubtful on TomEE
> >> > scalability for a big project like mine. Complete replacement for
> Jboss
> >> AS 7
> >> > means, can i use TomEE instead of Geronimo.
> >> > Anyway, i will try to deploy my ear in TomEE and get back to you soon.
> >> >
> >> > I am a great lover of Apache and all your projects, I expects
> something
> >> to
> >> > be come up to beat the JBoss AS 7 or any other Application Server. I
> >> thought
> >> > TomEE could do that :( . I assure all help from my side for this.
> >> >
> >> > Hi Daniel,
> >> > I have done a comparison study on all J2EE web servers
> among
> >> > them Geronimo or any AS is not delivering enough like JBoss AS 7 can
> do.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > View this message in context:
> >>
> http://openejb.979440.n4.nabble.com/Can-TomEE-used-as-a-complete-replacement-for-JBoss-AS-7-tp4650015p4651285.html
> >> > Sent from the OpenEJB Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
> >>
>
Re: Can TomEE used as a complete replacement for JBoss AS 7
Posted by Neale Rudd <ne...@metawerx.net>.
* I get the [troll] notices - they go a special list here that records what
TomEE does, and what it doesn't. It's valuable up-to-the-minute hosting
info
* ezmlm knows more about how to sub/unsub
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From: "dsh" <da...@googlemail.com>
To: <de...@openejb.apache.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2012 3:39 AM
Subject: Re: Can TomEE used as a complete replacement for JBoss AS 7
To whom does that troll thing go to ?
On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 10:53 AM, Romain Manni-Bucau
<rm...@gmail.com> wrote:
> [a little troll]TomEE doesn't aim to do what G does, it does less...and
> more on some points[/troll]
>
> well even if we dont aim to make TomEE Full Profile certfied we aim to
> make
> TomEE useful so we are really open to enhancements
>
> - Romain
>
>
> 2012/5/23 dsh <da...@googlemail.com>
>
>> TomEE only delivers a subset of what Geronimo delivers so I wouldn't
>> expect it to be a complete replacement for something like JBoss AS...
>> I don't even think that should be its intend...
>>
>> On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 10:39 AM, Nick <ni...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Hi Romain,
>> >
>> > Thanks a lot for your explanation, So i doubtful on TomEE
>> > scalability for a big project like mine. Complete replacement for Jboss
>> AS 7
>> > means, can i use TomEE instead of Geronimo.
>> > Anyway, i will try to deploy my ear in TomEE and get back to you soon.
>> >
>> > I am a great lover of Apache and all your projects, I expects something
>> to
>> > be come up to beat the JBoss AS 7 or any other Application Server. I
>> thought
>> > TomEE could do that :( . I assure all help from my side for this.
>> >
>> > Hi Daniel,
>> > I have done a comparison study on all J2EE web servers among
>> > them Geronimo or any AS is not delivering enough like JBoss AS 7 can
>> > do.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > View this message in context:
>> http://openejb.979440.n4.nabble.com/Can-TomEE-used-as-a-complete-replacement-for-JBoss-AS-7-tp4650015p4651285.html
>> > Sent from the OpenEJB Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>>
Re: Can TomEE used as a complete replacement for JBoss AS 7
Posted by dsh <da...@googlemail.com>.
To whom does that troll thing go to ?
On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 10:53 AM, Romain Manni-Bucau
<rm...@gmail.com> wrote:
> [a little troll]TomEE doesn't aim to do what G does, it does less...and
> more on some points[/troll]
>
> well even if we dont aim to make TomEE Full Profile certfied we aim to make
> TomEE useful so we are really open to enhancements
>
> - Romain
>
>
> 2012/5/23 dsh <da...@googlemail.com>
>
>> TomEE only delivers a subset of what Geronimo delivers so I wouldn't
>> expect it to be a complete replacement for something like JBoss AS...
>> I don't even think that should be its intend...
>>
>> On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 10:39 AM, Nick <ni...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Hi Romain,
>> >
>> > Thanks a lot for your explanation, So i doubtful on TomEE
>> > scalability for a big project like mine. Complete replacement for Jboss
>> AS 7
>> > means, can i use TomEE instead of Geronimo.
>> > Anyway, i will try to deploy my ear in TomEE and get back to you soon.
>> >
>> > I am a great lover of Apache and all your projects, I expects something
>> to
>> > be come up to beat the JBoss AS 7 or any other Application Server. I
>> thought
>> > TomEE could do that :( . I assure all help from my side for this.
>> >
>> > Hi Daniel,
>> > I have done a comparison study on all J2EE web servers among
>> > them Geronimo or any AS is not delivering enough like JBoss AS 7 can do.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > View this message in context:
>> http://openejb.979440.n4.nabble.com/Can-TomEE-used-as-a-complete-replacement-for-JBoss-AS-7-tp4650015p4651285.html
>> > Sent from the OpenEJB Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>>
Re: Can TomEE used as a complete replacement for JBoss AS 7
Posted by Romain Manni-Bucau <rm...@gmail.com>.
[a little troll]TomEE doesn't aim to do what G does, it does less...and
more on some points[/troll]
well even if we dont aim to make TomEE Full Profile certfied we aim to make
TomEE useful so we are really open to enhancements
- Romain
2012/5/23 dsh <da...@googlemail.com>
> TomEE only delivers a subset of what Geronimo delivers so I wouldn't
> expect it to be a complete replacement for something like JBoss AS...
> I don't even think that should be its intend...
>
> On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 10:39 AM, Nick <ni...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hi Romain,
> >
> > Thanks a lot for your explanation, So i doubtful on TomEE
> > scalability for a big project like mine. Complete replacement for Jboss
> AS 7
> > means, can i use TomEE instead of Geronimo.
> > Anyway, i will try to deploy my ear in TomEE and get back to you soon.
> >
> > I am a great lover of Apache and all your projects, I expects something
> to
> > be come up to beat the JBoss AS 7 or any other Application Server. I
> thought
> > TomEE could do that :( . I assure all help from my side for this.
> >
> > Hi Daniel,
> > I have done a comparison study on all J2EE web servers among
> > them Geronimo or any AS is not delivering enough like JBoss AS 7 can do.
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > View this message in context:
> http://openejb.979440.n4.nabble.com/Can-TomEE-used-as-a-complete-replacement-for-JBoss-AS-7-tp4650015p4651285.html
> > Sent from the OpenEJB Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>
Re: Can TomEE used as a complete replacement for JBoss AS 7
Posted by dsh <da...@googlemail.com>.
TomEE only delivers a subset of what Geronimo delivers so I wouldn't
expect it to be a complete replacement for something like JBoss AS...
I don't even think that should be its intend...
On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 10:39 AM, Nick <ni...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Romain,
>
> Thanks a lot for your explanation, So i doubtful on TomEE
> scalability for a big project like mine. Complete replacement for Jboss AS 7
> means, can i use TomEE instead of Geronimo.
> Anyway, i will try to deploy my ear in TomEE and get back to you soon.
>
> I am a great lover of Apache and all your projects, I expects something to
> be come up to beat the JBoss AS 7 or any other Application Server. I thought
> TomEE could do that :( . I assure all help from my side for this.
>
> Hi Daniel,
> I have done a comparison study on all J2EE web servers among
> them Geronimo or any AS is not delivering enough like JBoss AS 7 can do.
>
>
>
> --
> View this message in context: http://openejb.979440.n4.nabble.com/Can-TomEE-used-as-a-complete-replacement-for-JBoss-AS-7-tp4650015p4651285.html
> Sent from the OpenEJB Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
Re: Can TomEE used as a complete replacement for JBoss AS 7
Posted by Nick <ni...@gmail.com>.
Hi Romain,
Thanks a lot for your explanation, So i doubtful on TomEE
scalability for a big project like mine. Complete replacement for Jboss AS 7
means, can i use TomEE instead of Geronimo.
Anyway, i will try to deploy my ear in TomEE and get back to you soon.
I am a great lover of Apache and all your projects, I expects something to
be come up to beat the JBoss AS 7 or any other Application Server. I thought
TomEE could do that :( . I assure all help from my side for this.
Hi Daniel,
I have done a comparison study on all J2EE web servers among
them Geronimo or any AS is not delivering enough like JBoss AS 7 can do.
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Re: Can TomEE used as a complete replacement for JBoss AS 7
Posted by dsh <da...@googlemail.com>.
Why don't you try Apache Geronimo if you want to replace a full Java
EE app server with another full Java EE app server?
Cheers
Daniel
On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 10:02 AM, Romain Manni-Bucau
<rm...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> 1) what does mean a complete replacement for JBoss AS7? TomEE is a JEE
> server implementation, the main target is web profile but it proposes a lot
> of other features (JMX, JAXRS, JAXWS...). If you think of the full profile
> i'm not sure we will make it certified but if you encounter any issue
> create an issue on apache jira or mail us and ther eis no reason we can't
> fix it
>
> 2) to be honest we didnt test ear support a lot (in particular with so big
> apps) so i think the best way to know is to try
> 2.1) no problem
> 2.2) which kind of caching? we manage JPA2 one, session one is configurable
> 2.3) should be fine but you have to put hibernate in your libs since we
> can't deliver it with tomee (licence issue)
> 2.4) for stateless we have clustering, load balancing is easily doable with
> apache httpd
> 2.5) we manage rar so i think it should be fine
>
> i don"t think tomee and jboss have the same behavior about ear support
> (regarding cdi) but will be fixed since CDI will fix it in next version
> normally
>
> - Romain
>
>
> 2012/5/23 Nick <ni...@gmail.com>
>
>> 1) Do TomEE have any plan to become a complete replacement for JBoss AS 7 ?
>>
>> 2) My EAR projects having more than ten WAR and 100s of jars which all work
>> together as an ERP project , can i get the following capability from
>> TomEE.?
>>
>> 2.1) Multiple Data source / Transaction Support (JTA/JPA/Hibernate)
>> 2.2) Caching
>> 2.3) Struts2, Spring, Hibernate framework support or (CDI/EJB3.1 now we
>> are not using)
>> 2.4) Clustering and Load Balancing.
>> 2.5) Jackrabbit rar deployment
>> 2.6) And many more, it doesn't really matter how is my EAR now. You can
>> think as creating a new EAR (ERP) project with the above capabilities.
>>
>> I don't know whether you have ever tried deploying an EAR in JBoss AS 7, do
>> TomEE behave the same for my ear?
>>
>> You have already answered for my question by saying TomEE is not a full
>> profile. So the question no (1) above, is the main question now.
>>
>> thanks
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> View this message in context:
>> http://openejb.979440.n4.nabble.com/Can-TomEE-used-as-a-complete-replacement-for-JBoss-AS-7-tp4650015p4651075.html
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>>
Re: Can TomEE used as a complete replacement for JBoss AS 7
Posted by Romain Manni-Bucau <rm...@gmail.com>.
Hi,
1) what does mean a complete replacement for JBoss AS7? TomEE is a JEE
server implementation, the main target is web profile but it proposes a lot
of other features (JMX, JAXRS, JAXWS...). If you think of the full profile
i'm not sure we will make it certified but if you encounter any issue
create an issue on apache jira or mail us and ther eis no reason we can't
fix it
2) to be honest we didnt test ear support a lot (in particular with so big
apps) so i think the best way to know is to try
2.1) no problem
2.2) which kind of caching? we manage JPA2 one, session one is configurable
2.3) should be fine but you have to put hibernate in your libs since we
can't deliver it with tomee (licence issue)
2.4) for stateless we have clustering, load balancing is easily doable with
apache httpd
2.5) we manage rar so i think it should be fine
i don"t think tomee and jboss have the same behavior about ear support
(regarding cdi) but will be fixed since CDI will fix it in next version
normally
- Romain
2012/5/23 Nick <ni...@gmail.com>
> 1) Do TomEE have any plan to become a complete replacement for JBoss AS 7 ?
>
> 2) My EAR projects having more than ten WAR and 100s of jars which all work
> together as an ERP project , can i get the following capability from
> TomEE.?
>
> 2.1) Multiple Data source / Transaction Support (JTA/JPA/Hibernate)
> 2.2) Caching
> 2.3) Struts2, Spring, Hibernate framework support or (CDI/EJB3.1 now we
> are not using)
> 2.4) Clustering and Load Balancing.
> 2.5) Jackrabbit rar deployment
> 2.6) And many more, it doesn't really matter how is my EAR now. You can
> think as creating a new EAR (ERP) project with the above capabilities.
>
> I don't know whether you have ever tried deploying an EAR in JBoss AS 7, do
> TomEE behave the same for my ear?
>
> You have already answered for my question by saying TomEE is not a full
> profile. So the question no (1) above, is the main question now.
>
> thanks
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> View this message in context:
> http://openejb.979440.n4.nabble.com/Can-TomEE-used-as-a-complete-replacement-for-JBoss-AS-7-tp4650015p4651075.html
> Sent from the OpenEJB Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>
Re: Can TomEE used as a complete replacement for JBoss AS 7
Posted by Nick <ni...@gmail.com>.
1) Do TomEE have any plan to become a complete replacement for JBoss AS 7 ?
2) My EAR projects having more than ten WAR and 100s of jars which all work
together as an ERP project , can i get the following capability from TomEE.?
2.1) Multiple Data source / Transaction Support (JTA/JPA/Hibernate)
2.2) Caching
2.3) Struts2, Spring, Hibernate framework support or (CDI/EJB3.1 now we
are not using)
2.4) Clustering and Load Balancing.
2.5) Jackrabbit rar deployment
2.6) And many more, it doesn't really matter how is my EAR now. You can
think as creating a new EAR (ERP) project with the above capabilities.
I don't know whether you have ever tried deploying an EAR in JBoss AS 7, do
TomEE behave the same for my ear?
You have already answered for my question by saying TomEE is not a full
profile. So the question no (1) above, is the main question now.
thanks
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Re: Can TomEE used as a complete replacement for JBoss AS 7
Posted by Romain Manni-Bucau <rm...@gmail.com>.
Hi,
TomEE is not full profile certified like JBoss but i think the question is
more can your app be ran on TomEE?
What do you need?
We have a small support of ear in last release and more on trunk but it
depends what you need. In particular CDI spec if a bit weird in all
containers (which made different choices).
So maybe give us more information about your requirements and we'll answer
your question in a more relvant way
- Romain
2012/5/22 Nick <ni...@gmail.com>
> Is it possible to use TomEE as a complete replacement for JBoss AS 7 ? if
> not
> can anyone tell me
> 1) what lacking in TomEE ?
> 2) can i deploy an EAR ?
>
>
> --
> View this message in context:
> http://openejb.979440.n4.nabble.com/Can-TomEE-used-as-a-complete-replacement-for-JBoss-AS-7-tp4650015.html
> Sent from the OpenEJB Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>