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Posted to dev@solr.apache.org by Jan Høydahl <ja...@cominvent.com> on 2022/01/16 19:08:56 UTC
[VOTE] Stop releasing Solr binary ZIP artifact
Hi,
I know that ZIP vs TGZ has been discussed before, but I'd like to propose that we ditch the Solr ZIP artifacts for the 9.0 release.
Below is a plot of downloads <https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Vgiwvs7mVv-ARNWoO4b9KcJjrGuK1cn-Mzeq0crJk_M/edit?usp=sharing> from DLCDN last 3 months, where we see that the zip artifact now constitutes only 9% of the downloads.
As the tar utility ships with Windows since several years, and users are well aware of the format, I see no reason to keep publishing the ZIP.
We can simplify the release, speed up the smoketester and save the environment, all at the same time :-)
Here is my +1
[VOTE][RESULT] Stop releasing Solr binary ZIP artifact
Posted by Jan Høydahl <ja...@cominvent.com>.
This vote has run for >72h, and the vote results are:
+1: 7
+0: 1
-1: 0
The vote has PASSED.
I'll follow up in JIRA.
Jan
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Re: [VOTE] Stop releasing Solr binary ZIP artifact
Posted by Jason Gerlowski <ge...@gmail.com>.
+1 from me as well - sorry this just escaped my notice initially.
On Thu, Jan 20, 2022 at 12:46 AM Ishan Chattopadhyaya <
ichattopadhyaya@gmail.com> wrote:
> +1
>
> On Thu, 20 Jan, 2022, 8:28 am Timothy Potter, <th...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> +1 from me as well.
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 19, 2022 at 7:47 PM Noble Paul <no...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> +1
>>>
>>> I think every platform can support .tgz. This is one less artifact to
>>> upload during releases
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jan 20, 2022 at 11:38 AM Jan Høydahl <ja...@cominvent.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I don't want to do this without a bit more support than three +1 and
>>>> one +0.
>>>> Asking user's list would likely trigger a response from some of those
>>>> 9% using ZIP today who don't want to change scripts.
>>>> But I'm more looking for technical arguments that are important but
>>>> have slipped our minds.
>>>> We can of course add some extra docs to README and Ref-Guide about how
>>>> to untar on Windows.
>>>>
>>>> Jan
>>>>
>>>> 17. jan. 2022 kl. 12:07 skrev Alessandro Benedetti <
>>>> a.benedetti@sease.io>:
>>>>
>>>> +1, I think the benefits in terms of preserving resources (and also
>>>> environment-wise) outweigh the cost of downloading a specialized tool on
>>>> windows for the users that need that because on an old windows.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers
>>>> --------------------------
>>>> Alessandro Benedetti
>>>> Apache Lucene/Solr PMC member and Committer
>>>> Director, R&D Software Engineer, Search Consultant
>>>>
>>>> www.sease.io
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, 16 Jan 2022 at 22:54, Shawn Heisey <ap...@elyograg.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 1/16/2022 2:58 PM, Mike Drob wrote:
>>>>> > +0
>>>>> >
>>>>> > I have no issue with this, but would maybe like to see a discussion
>>>>> on
>>>>> > the user@ list first and to hear the thoughts of our Windows users
>>>>> (Uwe?
>>>>> > Steve? Shawn?)
>>>>>
>>>>> +1
>>>>>
>>>>> To say that I'm a Windows user would not quite be accurate. Every
>>>>> place
>>>>> I have actually deployed Solr has been on Linux. CentOS mostly, and
>>>>> most recently on Ubuntu. I prefer the latter.
>>>>>
>>>>> My personal workstations have always been Windows. It's a path of
>>>>> least
>>>>> resistance -- I'm very familiar with it, and most of the games I like
>>>>> to
>>>>> play are only available for Windows. I have recently been using
>>>>> Ubuntu
>>>>> Desktop on my primary work machine. And I have to say that I really
>>>>> like it. It was easier to transition than I had imagined. I
>>>>> absolutely
>>>>> love having linux commandline tools available on a workstation.
>>>>>
>>>>> With no zip, it will be a slight inconvenience for some Windows users,
>>>>> but they do have tools available that can extract a tgz file. I
>>>>> wasn't
>>>>> aware that tar had been added to Windows ... that's cool. I just
>>>>> extracted the tgz on my Windows 10 desktop using it. And for users of
>>>>> Windows versions that don't include tar, they can download a tool like
>>>>> 7zip.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Shawn
>>>>>
>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@solr.apache.org
>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@solr.apache.org
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> -----------------------------------------------------
>>> Noble Paul
>>>
>>
Re: [VOTE] Stop releasing Solr binary ZIP artifact
Posted by Ishan Chattopadhyaya <ic...@gmail.com>.
+1
On Thu, 20 Jan, 2022, 8:28 am Timothy Potter, <th...@gmail.com> wrote:
> +1 from me as well.
>
> On Wed, Jan 19, 2022 at 7:47 PM Noble Paul <no...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> +1
>>
>> I think every platform can support .tgz. This is one less artifact to
>> upload during releases
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 20, 2022 at 11:38 AM Jan Høydahl <ja...@cominvent.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I don't want to do this without a bit more support than three +1 and one
>>> +0.
>>> Asking user's list would likely trigger a response from some of those 9%
>>> using ZIP today who don't want to change scripts.
>>> But I'm more looking for technical arguments that are important but have
>>> slipped our minds.
>>> We can of course add some extra docs to README and Ref-Guide about how
>>> to untar on Windows.
>>>
>>> Jan
>>>
>>> 17. jan. 2022 kl. 12:07 skrev Alessandro Benedetti <a.benedetti@sease.io
>>> >:
>>>
>>> +1, I think the benefits in terms of preserving resources (and also
>>> environment-wise) outweigh the cost of downloading a specialized tool on
>>> windows for the users that need that because on an old windows.
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> --------------------------
>>> Alessandro Benedetti
>>> Apache Lucene/Solr PMC member and Committer
>>> Director, R&D Software Engineer, Search Consultant
>>>
>>> www.sease.io
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, 16 Jan 2022 at 22:54, Shawn Heisey <ap...@elyograg.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 1/16/2022 2:58 PM, Mike Drob wrote:
>>>> > +0
>>>> >
>>>> > I have no issue with this, but would maybe like to see a discussion
>>>> on
>>>> > the user@ list first and to hear the thoughts of our Windows users
>>>> (Uwe?
>>>> > Steve? Shawn?)
>>>>
>>>> +1
>>>>
>>>> To say that I'm a Windows user would not quite be accurate. Every
>>>> place
>>>> I have actually deployed Solr has been on Linux. CentOS mostly, and
>>>> most recently on Ubuntu. I prefer the latter.
>>>>
>>>> My personal workstations have always been Windows. It's a path of
>>>> least
>>>> resistance -- I'm very familiar with it, and most of the games I like
>>>> to
>>>> play are only available for Windows. I have recently been using Ubuntu
>>>> Desktop on my primary work machine. And I have to say that I really
>>>> like it. It was easier to transition than I had imagined. I absolutely
>>>> love having linux commandline tools available on a workstation.
>>>>
>>>> With no zip, it will be a slight inconvenience for some Windows users,
>>>> but they do have tools available that can extract a tgz file. I wasn't
>>>> aware that tar had been added to Windows ... that's cool. I just
>>>> extracted the tgz on my Windows 10 desktop using it. And for users of
>>>> Windows versions that don't include tar, they can download a tool like
>>>> 7zip.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Shawn
>>>>
>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@solr.apache.org
>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@solr.apache.org
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>> -----------------------------------------------------
>> Noble Paul
>>
>
Re: [VOTE] Stop releasing Solr binary ZIP artifact
Posted by Timothy Potter <th...@gmail.com>.
+1 from me as well.
On Wed, Jan 19, 2022 at 7:47 PM Noble Paul <no...@gmail.com> wrote:
> +1
>
> I think every platform can support .tgz. This is one less artifact to
> upload during releases
>
> On Thu, Jan 20, 2022 at 11:38 AM Jan Høydahl <ja...@cominvent.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I don't want to do this without a bit more support than three +1 and one
>> +0.
>> Asking user's list would likely trigger a response from some of those 9%
>> using ZIP today who don't want to change scripts.
>> But I'm more looking for technical arguments that are important but have
>> slipped our minds.
>> We can of course add some extra docs to README and Ref-Guide about how to
>> untar on Windows.
>>
>> Jan
>>
>> 17. jan. 2022 kl. 12:07 skrev Alessandro Benedetti <a.benedetti@sease.io
>> >:
>>
>> +1, I think the benefits in terms of preserving resources (and also
>> environment-wise) outweigh the cost of downloading a specialized tool on
>> windows for the users that need that because on an old windows.
>>
>> Cheers
>> --------------------------
>> Alessandro Benedetti
>> Apache Lucene/Solr PMC member and Committer
>> Director, R&D Software Engineer, Search Consultant
>>
>> www.sease.io
>>
>>
>> On Sun, 16 Jan 2022 at 22:54, Shawn Heisey <ap...@elyograg.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On 1/16/2022 2:58 PM, Mike Drob wrote:
>>> > +0
>>> >
>>> > I have no issue with this, but would maybe like to see a discussion on
>>> > the user@ list first and to hear the thoughts of our Windows users
>>> (Uwe?
>>> > Steve? Shawn?)
>>>
>>> +1
>>>
>>> To say that I'm a Windows user would not quite be accurate. Every place
>>> I have actually deployed Solr has been on Linux. CentOS mostly, and
>>> most recently on Ubuntu. I prefer the latter.
>>>
>>> My personal workstations have always been Windows. It's a path of least
>>> resistance -- I'm very familiar with it, and most of the games I like to
>>> play are only available for Windows. I have recently been using Ubuntu
>>> Desktop on my primary work machine. And I have to say that I really
>>> like it. It was easier to transition than I had imagined. I absolutely
>>> love having linux commandline tools available on a workstation.
>>>
>>> With no zip, it will be a slight inconvenience for some Windows users,
>>> but they do have tools available that can extract a tgz file. I wasn't
>>> aware that tar had been added to Windows ... that's cool. I just
>>> extracted the tgz on my Windows 10 desktop using it. And for users of
>>> Windows versions that don't include tar, they can download a tool like
>>> 7zip.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Shawn
>>>
>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@solr.apache.org
>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@solr.apache.org
>>>
>>>
>>
>
> --
> -----------------------------------------------------
> Noble Paul
>
Re: [VOTE] Stop releasing Solr binary ZIP artifact
Posted by Noble Paul <no...@gmail.com>.
+1
I think every platform can support .tgz. This is one less artifact to
upload during releases
On Thu, Jan 20, 2022 at 11:38 AM Jan Høydahl <ja...@cominvent.com> wrote:
> I don't want to do this without a bit more support than three +1 and one
> +0.
> Asking user's list would likely trigger a response from some of those 9%
> using ZIP today who don't want to change scripts.
> But I'm more looking for technical arguments that are important but have
> slipped our minds.
> We can of course add some extra docs to README and Ref-Guide about how to
> untar on Windows.
>
> Jan
>
> 17. jan. 2022 kl. 12:07 skrev Alessandro Benedetti <a....@sease.io>:
>
> +1, I think the benefits in terms of preserving resources (and also
> environment-wise) outweigh the cost of downloading a specialized tool on
> windows for the users that need that because on an old windows.
>
> Cheers
> --------------------------
> Alessandro Benedetti
> Apache Lucene/Solr PMC member and Committer
> Director, R&D Software Engineer, Search Consultant
>
> www.sease.io
>
>
> On Sun, 16 Jan 2022 at 22:54, Shawn Heisey <ap...@elyograg.org> wrote:
>
>> On 1/16/2022 2:58 PM, Mike Drob wrote:
>> > +0
>> >
>> > I have no issue with this, but would maybe like to see a discussion on
>> > the user@ list first and to hear the thoughts of our Windows users
>> (Uwe?
>> > Steve? Shawn?)
>>
>> +1
>>
>> To say that I'm a Windows user would not quite be accurate. Every place
>> I have actually deployed Solr has been on Linux. CentOS mostly, and
>> most recently on Ubuntu. I prefer the latter.
>>
>> My personal workstations have always been Windows. It's a path of least
>> resistance -- I'm very familiar with it, and most of the games I like to
>> play are only available for Windows. I have recently been using Ubuntu
>> Desktop on my primary work machine. And I have to say that I really
>> like it. It was easier to transition than I had imagined. I absolutely
>> love having linux commandline tools available on a workstation.
>>
>> With no zip, it will be a slight inconvenience for some Windows users,
>> but they do have tools available that can extract a tgz file. I wasn't
>> aware that tar had been added to Windows ... that's cool. I just
>> extracted the tgz on my Windows 10 desktop using it. And for users of
>> Windows versions that don't include tar, they can download a tool like
>> 7zip.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Shawn
>>
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@solr.apache.org
>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@solr.apache.org
>>
>>
>
--
-----------------------------------------------------
Noble Paul
Re: [VOTE] Stop releasing Solr binary ZIP artifact
Posted by Jan Høydahl <ja...@cominvent.com>.
I don't want to do this without a bit more support than three +1 and one +0.
Asking user's list would likely trigger a response from some of those 9% using ZIP today who don't want to change scripts.
But I'm more looking for technical arguments that are important but have slipped our minds.
We can of course add some extra docs to README and Ref-Guide about how to untar on Windows.
Jan
> 17. jan. 2022 kl. 12:07 skrev Alessandro Benedetti <a....@sease.io>:
>
> +1, I think the benefits in terms of preserving resources (and also environment-wise) outweigh the cost of downloading a specialized tool on windows for the users that need that because on an old windows.
>
> Cheers
> --------------------------
> Alessandro Benedetti
> Apache Lucene/Solr PMC member and Committer
> Director, R&D Software Engineer, Search Consultant
>
> www.sease.io <http://www.sease.io/>
>
> On Sun, 16 Jan 2022 at 22:54, Shawn Heisey <apache@elyograg.org <ma...@elyograg.org>> wrote:
> On 1/16/2022 2:58 PM, Mike Drob wrote:
> > +0
> >
> > I have no issue with this, but would maybe like to see a discussion on
> > the user@ list first and to hear the thoughts of our Windows users (Uwe?
> > Steve? Shawn?)
>
> +1
>
> To say that I'm a Windows user would not quite be accurate. Every place
> I have actually deployed Solr has been on Linux. CentOS mostly, and
> most recently on Ubuntu. I prefer the latter.
>
> My personal workstations have always been Windows. It's a path of least
> resistance -- I'm very familiar with it, and most of the games I like to
> play are only available for Windows. I have recently been using Ubuntu
> Desktop on my primary work machine. And I have to say that I really
> like it. It was easier to transition than I had imagined. I absolutely
> love having linux commandline tools available on a workstation.
>
> With no zip, it will be a slight inconvenience for some Windows users,
> but they do have tools available that can extract a tgz file. I wasn't
> aware that tar had been added to Windows ... that's cool. I just
> extracted the tgz on my Windows 10 desktop using it. And for users of
> Windows versions that don't include tar, they can download a tool like 7zip.
>
> Thanks,
> Shawn
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@solr.apache.org <ma...@solr.apache.org>
> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@solr.apache.org <ma...@solr.apache.org>
>
Re: [VOTE] Stop releasing Solr binary ZIP artifact
Posted by Alessandro Benedetti <a....@sease.io>.
+1, I think the benefits in terms of preserving resources (and also
environment-wise) outweigh the cost of downloading a specialized tool on
windows for the users that need that because on an old windows.
Cheers
--------------------------
Alessandro Benedetti
Apache Lucene/Solr PMC member and Committer
Director, R&D Software Engineer, Search Consultant
www.sease.io
On Sun, 16 Jan 2022 at 22:54, Shawn Heisey <ap...@elyograg.org> wrote:
> On 1/16/2022 2:58 PM, Mike Drob wrote:
> > +0
> >
> > I have no issue with this, but would maybe like to see a discussion on
> > the user@ list first and to hear the thoughts of our Windows users
> (Uwe?
> > Steve? Shawn?)
>
> +1
>
> To say that I'm a Windows user would not quite be accurate. Every place
> I have actually deployed Solr has been on Linux. CentOS mostly, and
> most recently on Ubuntu. I prefer the latter.
>
> My personal workstations have always been Windows. It's a path of least
> resistance -- I'm very familiar with it, and most of the games I like to
> play are only available for Windows. I have recently been using Ubuntu
> Desktop on my primary work machine. And I have to say that I really
> like it. It was easier to transition than I had imagined. I absolutely
> love having linux commandline tools available on a workstation.
>
> With no zip, it will be a slight inconvenience for some Windows users,
> but they do have tools available that can extract a tgz file. I wasn't
> aware that tar had been added to Windows ... that's cool. I just
> extracted the tgz on my Windows 10 desktop using it. And for users of
> Windows versions that don't include tar, they can download a tool like
> 7zip.
>
> Thanks,
> Shawn
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@solr.apache.org
> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@solr.apache.org
>
>
Re: [VOTE] Stop releasing Solr binary ZIP artifact
Posted by Shawn Heisey <ap...@elyograg.org>.
On 1/16/2022 2:58 PM, Mike Drob wrote:
> +0
>
> I have no issue with this, but would maybe like to see a discussion on
> the user@ list first and to hear the thoughts of our Windows users (Uwe?
> Steve? Shawn?)
+1
To say that I'm a Windows user would not quite be accurate. Every place
I have actually deployed Solr has been on Linux. CentOS mostly, and
most recently on Ubuntu. I prefer the latter.
My personal workstations have always been Windows. It's a path of least
resistance -- I'm very familiar with it, and most of the games I like to
play are only available for Windows. I have recently been using Ubuntu
Desktop on my primary work machine. And I have to say that I really
like it. It was easier to transition than I had imagined. I absolutely
love having linux commandline tools available on a workstation.
With no zip, it will be a slight inconvenience for some Windows users,
but they do have tools available that can extract a tgz file. I wasn't
aware that tar had been added to Windows ... that's cool. I just
extracted the tgz on my Windows 10 desktop using it. And for users of
Windows versions that don't include tar, they can download a tool like 7zip.
Thanks,
Shawn
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Re: [VOTE] Stop releasing Solr binary ZIP artifact
Posted by Mike Drob <md...@mdrob.com>.
+0
I have no issue with this, but would maybe like to see a discussion on the
user@ list first and to hear the thoughts of our Windows users (Uwe? Steve?
Shawn?)
On Sun, Jan 16, 2022 at 1:08 PM Jan Høydahl <ja...@cominvent.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I know that ZIP vs TGZ has been discussed before, but I'd like to propose
> that we ditch the Solr ZIP artifacts for the 9.0 release.
> Below is a plot of downloads
> <https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Vgiwvs7mVv-ARNWoO4b9KcJjrGuK1cn-Mzeq0crJk_M/edit?usp=sharing> from
> DLCDN last 3 months, where we see that the zip artifact now constitutes
> only 9% of the downloads.
>
> As the tar utility ships with Windows since several years, and users are
> well aware of the format, I see no reason to keep publishing the ZIP.
> We can simplify the release, speed up the smoketester and save the
> environment, all at the same time :-)
>
> Here is my +1
>
>