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Maven 2.0 question
Is Jelly still the scripting language for Maven 2.0?
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Re: Maven 2.0 question
Posted by Dion Gillard <di...@gmail.com>.
And for what it's worth, Jelly is and will continue to be maintained
separately from Maven.
On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 00:03:54 -0400, John Casey <jd...@commonjava.org> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Marmalade is hosted at http://marmalade.codehaus.org. You should find
> CVS information as well as a link to recent source drops at that site.
>
> I named it marmalade so people would get the relationship to jelly,
> without thinking it was the next logical iteration of jelly. This is a
> clean implementation, with a fresh approach to the problem domain of XML
> languages.
>
> As for the rest of Jason's message regarding current Jelly taglib
> functionality, I should be a bit more modest. I've currently implemented
> the Jelly-core library, and have a compatibility layer that I've tested
> against core, define and a couple of others. This compat-layer is really
> a way of running jelly inside of marmalade as a stop-gap until we get
> full native reimplementations of Jelly taglibs finished.
>
> Anyway, feel free to ask me any other questions you have about Marmalade
> (I'm the project lead), but you may want to relocate the thread to
> user@marmalade.codehaus.org (see the project website for subscription
> information).
>
> HTH,
>
> John Casey
>
>
>
> Colin Chalmers wrote:
> > Jelly, Marmalade hhmm what's next Jam I guess :-))
> >
> > Any info on Mamalade? I can't seem to find any, with google.
> >
> > Colin
> >
> > Jason van Zyl wrote:
> >
> >> On Thu, 2004-10-07 at 14:47, STRAYER, JON (SBCSI) wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>> Is Jelly still the scripting language for Maven 2.0?
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> The short answer is no.
> >> The long answer is that there will be several options for scripting
> >> plugins: the XML scripting option is something called Marmalade which is
> >> something like Jelly except it actually works and doesn't result in the
> >> operator pulling out his own teeth trying to get it work. Jelly is a
> >> guaragantuan piece of crap and I made the dire mistake of incorporating
> >> it into Maven which I will always regret. Marmalade is written by John
> >> Casey who has been long involved in Maven, he's heavily involved in
> >> Maven 2.x and is committed to the long-term maintenance of Marmalade.
> >> He's got all the core Jelly tag libs working as well.
> >>
> >> Some other options are Beanshell, Janino and possibly JRuby. Don't even
> >> ask about Groovy because I wouldn't touch it with a 10' pole.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
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Re: Maven 2.0 question
Posted by John Casey <jd...@commonjava.org>.
Hi,
Marmalade is hosted at http://marmalade.codehaus.org. You should find
CVS information as well as a link to recent source drops at that site.
I named it marmalade so people would get the relationship to jelly,
without thinking it was the next logical iteration of jelly. This is a
clean implementation, with a fresh approach to the problem domain of XML
languages.
As for the rest of Jason's message regarding current Jelly taglib
functionality, I should be a bit more modest. I've currently implemented
the Jelly-core library, and have a compatibility layer that I've tested
against core, define and a couple of others. This compat-layer is really
a way of running jelly inside of marmalade as a stop-gap until we get
full native reimplementations of Jelly taglibs finished.
Anyway, feel free to ask me any other questions you have about Marmalade
(I'm the project lead), but you may want to relocate the thread to
user@marmalade.codehaus.org (see the project website for subscription
information).
HTH,
John Casey
Colin Chalmers wrote:
> Jelly, Marmalade hhmm what's next Jam I guess :-))
>
> Any info on Mamalade? I can't seem to find any, with google.
>
> Colin
>
> Jason van Zyl wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 2004-10-07 at 14:47, STRAYER, JON (SBCSI) wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Is Jelly still the scripting language for Maven 2.0?
>>>
>>
>>
>> The short answer is no.
>> The long answer is that there will be several options for scripting
>> plugins: the XML scripting option is something called Marmalade which is
>> something like Jelly except it actually works and doesn't result in the
>> operator pulling out his own teeth trying to get it work. Jelly is a
>> guaragantuan piece of crap and I made the dire mistake of incorporating
>> it into Maven which I will always regret. Marmalade is written by John
>> Casey who has been long involved in Maven, he's heavily involved in
>> Maven 2.x and is committed to the long-term maintenance of Marmalade.
>> He's got all the core Jelly tag libs working as well.
>>
>> Some other options are Beanshell, Janino and possibly JRuby. Don't even
>> ask about Groovy because I wouldn't touch it with a 10' pole.
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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Re: Maven 2.0 question
Posted by Colin Chalmers <co...@xs4all.nl>.
Disregard previou smail, here's the link
http://docs.codehaus.org/display/MMLD/Home
Colin
Colin Chalmers wrote:
> Jelly, Marmalade hhmm what's next Jam I guess :-))
>
> Any info on Mamalade? I can't seem to find any, with google.
>
> Colin
>
> Jason van Zyl wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 2004-10-07 at 14:47, STRAYER, JON (SBCSI) wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Is Jelly still the scripting language for Maven 2.0?
>>>
>>
>>
>> The short answer is no.
>> The long answer is that there will be several options for scripting
>> plugins: the XML scripting option is something called Marmalade which is
>> something like Jelly except it actually works and doesn't result in the
>> operator pulling out his own teeth trying to get it work. Jelly is a
>> guaragantuan piece of crap and I made the dire mistake of incorporating
>> it into Maven which I will always regret. Marmalade is written by John
>> Casey who has been long involved in Maven, he's heavily involved in
>> Maven 2.x and is committed to the long-term maintenance of Marmalade.
>> He's got all the core Jelly tag libs working as well.
>>
>> Some other options are Beanshell, Janino and possibly JRuby. Don't even
>> ask about Groovy because I wouldn't touch it with a 10' pole.
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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Re: Maven 2.0 question
Posted by Colin Chalmers <co...@xs4all.nl>.
Jelly, Marmalade hhmm what's next Jam I guess :-))
Any info on Mamalade? I can't seem to find any, with google.
Colin
Jason van Zyl wrote:
>On Thu, 2004-10-07 at 14:47, STRAYER, JON (SBCSI) wrote:
>
>
>>Is Jelly still the scripting language for Maven 2.0?
>>
>>
>
>The short answer is no.
>
>The long answer is that there will be several options for scripting
>plugins: the XML scripting option is something called Marmalade which is
>something like Jelly except it actually works and doesn't result in the
>operator pulling out his own teeth trying to get it work. Jelly is a
>guaragantuan piece of crap and I made the dire mistake of incorporating
>it into Maven which I will always regret. Marmalade is written by John
>Casey who has been long involved in Maven, he's heavily involved in
>Maven 2.x and is committed to the long-term maintenance of Marmalade.
>He's got all the core Jelly tag libs working as well.
>
>Some other options are Beanshell, Janino and possibly JRuby. Don't even
>ask about Groovy because I wouldn't touch it with a 10' pole.
>
>
>
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Re: Maven 2.0 question
Posted by Jason van Zyl <jv...@maven.org>.
On Thu, 2004-10-07 at 16:50, Leif Nelson wrote:
> So I gotta ask.. What's so bad about Groovy? :-)
I'm not going to answer that question in a public forum.
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Re: Maven 2.0 question
Posted by Leif Nelson <ln...@llnl.gov>.
So I gotta ask.. What's so bad about Groovy? :-) I'd really like to know
what makes it unsuitable for your use. And, I've never used any of the
options you describe except the beanshell.
Thanks,
--Leif
>Some other options are Beanshell, Janino and possibly JRuby. Don't even
>ask about Groovy because I wouldn't touch it with a 10' pole.
>
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Re: Maven 2.0 question
Posted by Jason van Zyl <jv...@maven.org>.
On Thu, 2004-10-07 at 14:47, STRAYER, JON (SBCSI) wrote:
> Is Jelly still the scripting language for Maven 2.0?
The short answer is no.
The long answer is that there will be several options for scripting
plugins: the XML scripting option is something called Marmalade which is
something like Jelly except it actually works and doesn't result in the
operator pulling out his own teeth trying to get it work. Jelly is a
guaragantuan piece of crap and I made the dire mistake of incorporating
it into Maven which I will always regret. Marmalade is written by John
Casey who has been long involved in Maven, he's heavily involved in
Maven 2.x and is committed to the long-term maintenance of Marmalade.
He's got all the core Jelly tag libs working as well.
Some other options are Beanshell, Janino and possibly JRuby. Don't even
ask about Groovy because I wouldn't touch it with a 10' pole.
--
jvz.
Jason van Zyl
jason@maven.org
http://maven.apache.org
happiness is like a butterfly: the more you chase it, the more it will
elude you, but if you turn your attention to other things, it will come
and sit softly on your shoulder ...
-- Thoreau
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