[Lucene.Net] Re: trouble getting cms content to work correctly

[Joe Schaefer <jo...@yahoo.com>]

Modulo this particular bug affecting only your publication
requests, "massive" documentation commits merely require
some follow-through (to publication) as I've written about
today here:

http://www.apache.org/dev/cmsref.html#mass-change

So the regularity with which you do this won't present any
particular problems other than increasing the frequency of
the subsequent pain you needto endure to walk mass-changes
through to the live site.  Small changes will normally
induce small amounts of pain (modulo this particular bug).


HTH



>________________________________
> From: Prescott Nasser <ge...@hotmail.com>
>To: lucene-net-dev@lucene.apache.org 
>Cc: joe_schaefer@yahoo.com 
>Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 6:30 PM
>Subject: FW: trouble getting cms content to work correctly
> 
>
> 
>Took all day, but Joe was there babysitting and correcting things for us.
> 
>Basically there is a bug in svn 1.6.17 that the CMS is based on, which is making our commits a pain at the moment. Once that gets upgraded it should be relatively smooth sailing.
> 
>It won't help us though if we want still planning on updating massive amounts of documentation on a regular basis.
> 
> 
> 
>Thanks Joe, I can't thank you enough for the help today.
> 
>~Prescott
>
>
>________________________________
>Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 14:49:48 -0800
>From: joe_schaefer@yahoo.com
>Subject: Re: trouble getting cms content to work correctly
>To: geobmx540@hotmail.com
>
>
>After some testing it appears that this performance
>bug is fixed in svn 1.7, but the CMS is currently
>running 1.6.17.  I hope to have the host upgraded
>within the next 30 days or so, but for now I still
>recommend using the script.
>
>
>
>
>>________________________________
>> From: Prescott Nasser <ge...@hotmail.com>
>>To: joe_schaefer@yahoo.com 
>>Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 5:28 PM
>>Subject: RE: trouble getting cms content to work correctly
>> 
>>
>> 
>>Alright - sounds good
>> 
>>Thanks again!
>> 
>>~P
>> 
>>
>>
>>________________________________
>>Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 14:25:45 -0800
>>From: joe_schaefer@yahoo.com
>>Subject: Re: trouble getting cms content to work correctly
>>To: geobmx540@hotmail.com
>>
>>
>>I'm having some svn people look at the merge issues.
>>Right now all I can suggest is that you publish using
>>the publish.pl script on people.apache.org.  It's taking
>>me about 10 min total to carry that out, which is certainly
>>too long given the nature of the changes it's merging,
>>but I'll let you know what I find out.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>________________________________
>>> From: Prescott Nasser <ge...@hotmail.com>
>>>To: joe_schaefer@yahoo.com 
>>>Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 5:13 PM
>>>Subject: RE: trouble getting cms content to work correctly
>>> 
>>>
>>> 
>>>It's butt ugly - all in one directory, 8206 files. I'd prefer a more natural docs structure, but that's how it gets generated
>>> 
>>>~P
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>>________________________________
>>>Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 14:10:47 -0800
>>>From: joe_schaefer@yahoo.com
>>>Subject: Re: trouble getting cms content to work correctly
>>>To: geobmx540@hotmail.com
>>>
>>>
>>>Ok lemee kill it and use the publish.pl script
>>>on people to see if I can get it to work right.
>>>Just curious tho- about how many files do you
>>>have within that docs dir- all in one dir I presume?
>>>
>>>
>>>>________________________________
>>>> From: Prescott Nasser <ge...@hotmail.com>
>>>>To: joe_schaefer@yahoo.com 
>>>>Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 5:08 PM
>>>>Subject: RE: trouble getting cms content to work correctly
>>>> 
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>>I'm thinking still merge funk
>>>> 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>________________________________
>>>>Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 14:05:21 -0800
>>>>From: joe_schaefer@yahoo.com
>>>>Subject: Re: trouble getting cms content to work correctly
>>>>To: geobmx540@hotmail.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Looks like it just completed.  Hmm, go
>>>>ahead and publish and lets try this one
>>>>more time.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>________________________________
>>>>> From: Joe Schaefer <jo...@yahoo.com>
>>>>>To: Prescott Nasser <ge...@hotmail.com> 
>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 5:02 PM
>>>>>Subject: Re: trouble getting cms content to work correctly
>>>>> 
>>>>>
>>>>>Yeah more merge funk. Leave it run for now,
>>>>>but don't take any further action until you
>>>>>hear from me.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>________________________________
>>>>>> From: Prescott Nasser <ge...@hotmail.com>
>>>>>>To: joe_schaefer@yahoo.com 
>>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 4:59 PM
>>>>>>Subject: RE: trouble getting cms content to work correctly
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>I hate to be the bearer of bad news... still taking days to publish (I'm not sure if there is a merge error or not) let me know I'll kill this quick
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>________________________________
>>>>>>Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 13:54:52 -0800
>>>>>>From: joe_schaefer@yahoo.com
>>>>>>Subject: Re: trouble getting cms content to work correctly
>>>>>>To: geobmx540@hotmail.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Yeah try out the webgui and edit/commit/publish
>>>>>>a minor change.  It should take you no more than
>>>>>>a minute or so total.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>________________________________
>>>>>>> From: Prescott Nasser <ge...@hotmail.com>
>>>>>>>To: joe_schaefer@yahoo.com 
>>>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 4:52 PM
>>>>>>>Subject: RE: trouble getting cms content to work correctly
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>Man that sounds like a tool full of awesome!
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>Ok - so for the moment no new docs, a simple edit should be quick?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>________________________________
>>>>>>>Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 13:48:40 -0800
>>>>>>>From: joe_schaefer@yahoo.com
>>>>>>>Subject: Re: trouble getting cms content to work correctly
>>>>>>>To: geobmx540@hotmail.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Ok it's now fixed and your site should work as expected
>>>>>>>at this point.  I had to redact the lazy_publish feature
>>>>>>>and reserve it for admins only because you don't actually
>>>>>>>have permission to completely remove your publication site
>>>>>>>from svn and that's not something I can offer without providing
>>>>>>>you and every other committer with the ability to nuke
>>>>>>>each other's entire sites.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>________________________________
>>>>>>>> From: Joe Schaefer <jo...@yahoo.com>
>>>>>>>>To: Prescott Nasser <ge...@hotmail.com> 
>>>>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 4:20 PM
>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: trouble getting cms content to work correctly
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Yeah well it's probably timing out somewhere along the line.
>>>>>>>>I'm looking into your svn tree now to see if I can figure out
>>>>>>>>what's going on.  Basically the svn merge it's running is
>>>>>>>>doing evil things.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>________________________________
>>>>>>>>> From: Prescott Nasser <ge...@hotmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>To: joe_schaefer@yahoo.com 
>>>>>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 4:18 PM
>>>>>>>>>Subject: RE: trouble getting cms content to work correctly
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>Sorry, I'm not seeing merge errors, just seeing my browser waiting for a response..I'll hold up
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>________________________________
>>>>>>>>>Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 13:15:32 -0800
>>>>>>>>>From: joe_schaefer@yahoo.com
>>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: trouble getting cms content to work correctly
>>>>>>>>>To: geobmx540@hotmail.com; site-dev@apache.org
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Stop Prescott when you get a merge error please.
>>>>>>>>>There's something funky going on here that I need
>>>>>>>>>to dig into and running publish again won't magically
>>>>>>>>>fix it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>________________________________
>>>>>>>>>> From: Prescott Nasser <ge...@hotmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>To: joe_schaefer@yahoo.com; site-dev@apache.org 
>>>>>>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 3:52 PM
>>>>>>>>>>Subject: RE: trouble getting cms content to work correctly
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>Ah ok, I thought we were past that part - I'm losing track, just blinding taking orders at this point :)
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>~P 
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 12:50:41 -0800
>>>>>>>>>>From: joe_schaefer@yahoo.com
>>>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: trouble getting cms content to work correctly
>>>>>>>>>>To: geobmx540@hotmail.com; site-dev@apache.org
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Yes as I explained before by using lazy_publish
>>>>>>>>>>you will incur a performance hit the first time
>>>>>>>>>>you subsequently publish normally.  Once this
>>>>>>>>>>completes things should behave properly.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>> From: Prescott Nasser <ge...@hotmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>To: joe_schaefer@yahoo.com; site-dev@apache.org 
>>>>>>>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 3:48 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>Subject: RE: trouble getting cms content to work correctly
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>small change still seems to be taking longer than it should..
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 12:41:20 -0800
>>>>>>>>>>>From: joe_schaefer@yahoo.com
>>>>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: trouble getting cms content to work correctly
>>>>>>>>>>>To: geobmx540@hotmail.com; site-dev@apache.org
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>No a regular publish this time please.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Prescott Nasser <ge...@hotmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>To: joe_schaefer@yahoo.com; site-dev@apache.org 
>>>>>>>>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 3:39 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>Subject: RE: trouble getting cms content to work correctly
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>I started the regular publish - but stopped that, should I do a lazy publish?
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 12:36:57 -0800
>>>>>>>>>>>>From: joe_schaefer@yahoo.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: trouble getting cms content to work correctly
>>>>>>>>>>>>To: joe_schaefer@yahoo.com; geobmx540@hotmail.com; site-dev@apache.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Ok that seems to have gone thru cleanly this time.
>>>>>>>>>>>>Now please make another minor edit to the site and
>>>>>>>>>>>>let's flush things thru one last time.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Joe Schaefer <jo...@yahoo.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>To: Prescott Nasser <ge...@hotmail.com>; "site-dev@apache.org" <si...@apache.org> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 3:30 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: trouble getting cms content to work correctly
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>I had a bug in lazy_publish- please use that instead
>>>>>>>>>>>>>when you get an error message indicating the merge
>>>>>>>>>>>>>failed (like you just did).  I'll keep an eye on things
>>>>>>>>>>>>>while you do.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Prescott Nasser <ge...@hotmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>To: joe_schaefer@yahoo.com; site-dev@apache.org 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 2:49 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Subject: RE: trouble getting cms content to work correctly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>So, that worked, site was all there - looking good.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I made a small change to the index.html page (to up the words that it shows from the blog roll). And hit publish - I seem to be stuck (taking forever)... Not sure why that would occur?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 11:31:02 -0800
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>From: joe_schaefer@yahoo.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: trouble getting cms content to work correctly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>To: geobmx540@hotmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Seems to have worked, no?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Prescott Nasser <ge...@hotmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>To: joe_schaefer@yahoo.com 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 2:11 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Subject: RE: trouble getting cms content to work correctly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Here's goes..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 10:56:11 -0800
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>From: joe_schaefer@yahoo.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: trouble getting cms content to work correctly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>To: geobmx540@hotmail.com; site-dev@apache.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Try https://cms.apache.org/lucene.net/lazy_publish
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Quick and dirty if it works ;-)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Prescott Nasser <ge...@hotmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>To: joe_schaefer@yahoo.com; site-dev@apache.org 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 1:27 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Subject: RE: trouble getting cms content to work correctly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I'm sorry :( Please by all means take a stab - I'll do nothing until I hear  back.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 10:24:46 -0800
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: joe_schaefer@yahoo.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: trouble getting cms content to work correctly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: joe_schaefer@yahoo.com; geobmx540@hotmail.com; site-dev@apache.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well I watched your attempt to publish the site and you guys
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have managed to break svn merge with too many adds/deletes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the same paths within a single merge session.  I suggest
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you let me fix your site by nuking the publication tree
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and copying things over from staging.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > From:
 Joe Schaefer
 <jo...@yahoo.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > To:
 Prescott Nasser
 <ge...@hotmail.com>;
 "site-dev@apache.org"
 <si...@apache.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
 Cc: 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 12:14 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Subject: Re: trouble getting cms content to work correctly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> ________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>  From: Prescott Nasser <ge...@hotmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> To: joe_schaefer@yahoo.com; site-dev@apache.org 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 11:58 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> Subject: RE: trouble getting cms content to work correctly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> Thanks Joe, I really appreciate your help.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> My next task was to tackle that doc issue. I was experimenting with the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > upload a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> tarball option hoping that would reduce the number of files in the repo, but 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> found out all it does is unpack it for me, saves me some bandwidth, but does 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
 nothing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> to save the tree.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> A couple of weeks ago, I was making no changes to the docs (and there were 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > no pending changes that I saw), and just making a minor change to the index page 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > (to announce a new version of Lucene.Net) took FOREVER - same timeout issues. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > This lead me to believe, that regardless of the size of the change, the number 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > of files will always be a PIA. But it seems like that shouldn't be the case?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Hard to say what the cause of that delay was, but I can assure you it had little 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > or nothing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > to do with the overall size of your site.  The only O(N) algorithm involved is 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > when the build
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > system svn up's the tree, and if the changes are already present that 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > process shouldn't take
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > more
 than a handful of seconds even for a 10GB site.  Of course the actual time 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > may fluctuate
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > wildly due to server conditions on the cms or svn host systems, but there you 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > go.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > I just added some docs about this to the bottom of the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > http://www.apache.org/dev/cmsref page
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > you might want to look over.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> I will publish what we have now (need to fix a minor issue in the 2.9.4 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > documentation first), and give a shot at making a minor change. Hopefully 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > publishing just a minor change in that case will be quick and painless.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Good luck.  I suggest using the publish.pl script on people.apache.org and 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > grabbing a cuppa
 coffee
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
 while things progress.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > 
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