Starting Clean with Bayes

[Jerry Malcolm <te...@malcolms.com>]

I am starting over with a clean install of SA on an AWS Linux2 EC2.  I'm 
am struggling with getting Bayes set up correctly.  I have a very old 
bayes_toks file from a Jam Windows install from about 4 years ago.  I 
created a userId for spamd, and I put the bayes_toks file in 
/home/spamd/bayes.  I set the bayes_path in local.cf to 
/home/spamd/bayes/bayes.  I changed the file owner to spamd:spamd.  I 
get the error message:

      cannot open bayes databases /home/spamd/bayes/bayes_* R/O: tie failed

I tried running the Spamassassin from the command line as sudo, and get 
the same error.  So I don't think it's a permissions issue.

So I moved the file out of the folder and now get:

      no dbs present, cannot tie DB R/O: /home/spamd/bayes/bayes_toks

So in the first case it finds the file but can't open it.  I found some 
posts on forums that suggested there's a possibility the file is so old 
the format is obsolete.  Fine with me.  At this point, I just want to 
start clean.  But I can't find a way to start using bayes from scratch 
with no toks file starting off.  I even did another clean install on a 
separate ec2 to see if SA would create an initial  toks file. But I 
couldn't find one.

My old toks file is probably of marginal value now anyway.  I just need 
to know where to find a brand new toks file to put into my bayes_path 
folder so it can start building up the ham/spam file and start 
contributing to my SA scores.

Where do I find a starter toks file?

Thx

Re: Starting Clean with Bayes

[John Hardin <jh...@impsec.org>]

On Sat, 23 Oct 2021, Benny Pedersen wrote:

> On 2021-10-20 16:58, John Hardin wrote:
>> On Wed, 20 Oct 2021, Axb wrote:
>> 
>>> On 10/19/21 8:06 PM, Jerry Malcolm wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Where do I find a starter toks file?
>>> 
>>> You don't need a "starter" file.
>> 
>> Your Bayes starter is your training corpora, which you should retain
>> in case you ever need to start over from scratch as you're doing now.
>
> no one asked how to make a backup/restore, with imho would have answered all 
> this just like one would just use corpus retraining data

A backup is fine for migration.

A backup of a database that has gone off the rails is useless.

It fairly accepted that there's no such thing as a "generic starter Bayes 
database" due to the variability of peoples' ham.


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Re: Starting Clean with Bayes

[Benny Pedersen <me...@junc.eu>]

On 2021-10-20 16:58, John Hardin wrote:
> On Wed, 20 Oct 2021, Axb wrote:
> 
>> On 10/19/21 8:06 PM, Jerry Malcolm wrote:
>>> 
>>> Where do I find a starter toks file?
>> 
>> You don't need a "starter" file.
> 
> Your Bayes starter is your training corpora, which you should retain
> in case you ever need to start over from scratch as you're doing now.

no one asked how to make a backup/restore, with imho would have answered 
all this just like one would just use corpus retraining data

hmm :)

i just wish that its not only bayes that can be backup/restored but also 
TxRep and awl data

this will make it possible to change from postgresql to redis if needed, 
who will use mysql or berkdb ?

Re: Starting Clean with Bayes

[John Hardin <jh...@impsec.org>]

On Wed, 20 Oct 2021, Axb wrote:

> On 10/19/21 8:06 PM, Jerry Malcolm wrote:
>> 
>> Where do I find a starter toks file?
>
> You don't need a "starter" file.

Your Bayes starter is your training corpora, which you should retain in 
case you ever need to start over from scratch as you're doing now.

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Re: Starting Clean with Bayes

[Axb <ax...@gmail.com>]

On 10/19/21 8:06 PM, Jerry Malcolm wrote:
> 
> Where do I find a starter toks file?

You don't need a "starter" file. As soon as it needs them, SA 
automagically creates the necessary files if it can write into the 
defined path.
Just feed it some spams and hams as per docs and you'll see the files.