Cayenne ASF proposal

[Andrus Adamchik <an...@objectstyle.org>]

Brian, et all.

We put a proposal draft on Cayenne Wiki:

http://objectstyle.org/confluence/display/CAY/ASF+Proposal

As we are requesting DB PMC to sponsor it, I am posting it on this  
list before we send it to the incubator. I guess someone from DB PMC  
would have to initiate the incubator request. Please comment.

Thanks
Andrus


On Feb 20, 2006, at 8:38 PM, Brian McCallister wrote:
> Cayenne might be better suited for TLP status, which I suggest  
> considering as the DB project is starting to balloon =)
>
> That said, I am very willing to support Cayenne personally, and  
> suspect the rest of the DB PMC might be supportive as well. It  
> would fit well in the DB project conceptually (which historically  
> is more about database access than databases). I just am trying to  
> go with the TLP preference vibe going around, and that Cayenne has  
> been around a while I don't want to cramp their style.
>
> So, I'm very happy to help mentor (the Official Incubator Role and  
> the actual verb, as it relates to working within Apache) Cayenne,  
> and would love to see this work out! It may be worth pinging the  
> Tapestry folks as well as I have seen a lot of Cayenne use within  
> the Tapestry community, and they are an energetic bunch.
>
> -Brian

Re: Cayenne ASF proposal

[Andrus Adamchik <an...@objectstyle.org>]

On Feb 25, 2006, at 8:26 PM, Brian McCallister wrote:

> Having the DB PMC sponsor the proposal basically means the DB PMC  
> is taking responsibility and it will become a part of the DB  
> Project -- which I don't think is quite what you want.

Yes, we want to go TLP. I am just hearing/reading conflicting  
information about who can sponsor what. So whose help do we need to  
enlist?


> We may also want to take this discussion to general@incubator --  
> which gets a bit more traffic and probably where people can offer  
> more advice!

Probably a good idea. I sent a note here since I was under the  
impression that DB PMC can be a sponsor of a TLP.

Andrus

Re: Cayenne ASF proposal

[Bill Dudney <bd...@apache.org>]

Hi Brian,

I'm happy to mentor. I'm not  a member of ASF (I'm a committer/PMC on  
MyFaces) and I thought you had to be an ASF member to mentor. If I'm  
allowed as a mentor I'd be glad to help out!

Do you want me to post to the general@incubator list? Or should it  
come from you?

Can you sponsor directly? Or maybe the correct question is, who  
should we list as our sponsor? I think we'd (the cayenne community)  
would be glad to go into DB to start if that is the best fit for now.  
We are open to where ever the best fit is. The TLP request is because  
cayenne is headed to be much more than your fathers OR mapping  
framework :-)

I added myself as a mentor and removed the DB PMC sponsorship  
language on the proposal page.

Thanks again!

Bill Dudney
MyFaces - myfaces.apache.org
Wadi - incubator.apache.org/wadi



On Feb 25, 2006, at 10:26 AM, Brian McCallister wrote:

> Having the DB PMC sponsor the proposal basically means the DB PMC  
> is taking responsibility and it will become a part of the DB  
> Project -- which I don't think is quite what you want. I'm more  
> than happy to mentor, personally, but that is me speaking, not the  
> DB PMC. The ways of the incubator are more or less in slow flux as  
> we figure out how best to make it work.
>
> If you want the DB PMC to sponsor the project I can bring a  
> proposal to the PMC, but I am not sure what it means to have the DB  
> PMC sponsor it and have the project intended to become a top level  
> project.
>
> Looking at the proposal, I would suggest a couple small changes:
>
> * Change the requested cayenne-pmc mailing list to cayenne-ppmc
> * Let's see if the DB PMC is willing to sponsor (I am just the  
> chair) before we make that part of the proposal =)
>
>
> Bill, are you willing to help mentor? I ask as you initially  
> contacted us here =)
>
> We may also want to take this discussion to general@incubator --  
> which gets a bit more traffic and probably where people can offer  
> more advice!
>
> -Brian
>
> On Feb 24, 2006, at 10:55 PM, Andrus Adamchik wrote:
>
>> Brian, et all.
>>
>> We put a proposal draft on Cayenne Wiki:
>>
>> http://objectstyle.org/confluence/display/CAY/ASF+Proposal
>>
>> As we are requesting DB PMC to sponsor it, I am posting it on this  
>> list before we send it to the incubator. I guess someone from DB  
>> PMC would have to initiate the incubator request. Please comment.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Andrus
>>
>>
>> On Feb 20, 2006, at 8:38 PM, Brian McCallister wrote:
>>> Cayenne might be better suited for TLP status, which I suggest  
>>> considering as the DB project is starting to balloon =)
>>>
>>> That said, I am very willing to support Cayenne personally, and  
>>> suspect the rest of the DB PMC might be supportive as well. It  
>>> would fit well in the DB project conceptually (which historically  
>>> is more about database access than databases). I just am trying  
>>> to go with the TLP preference vibe going around, and that Cayenne  
>>> has been around a while I don't want to cramp their style.
>>>
>>> So, I'm very happy to help mentor (the Official Incubator Role  
>>> and the actual verb, as it relates to working within Apache)  
>>> Cayenne, and would love to see this work out! It may be worth  
>>> pinging the Tapestry folks as well as I have seen a lot of  
>>> Cayenne use within the Tapestry community, and they are an  
>>> energetic bunch.
>>>
>>> -Brian
>>
>

Re: Cayenne ASF proposal

[Brian McCallister <br...@apache.org>]

Having the DB PMC sponsor the proposal basically means the DB PMC is  
taking responsibility and it will become a part of the DB Project --  
which I don't think is quite what you want. I'm more than happy to  
mentor, personally, but that is me speaking, not the DB PMC. The ways  
of the incubator are more or less in slow flux as we figure out how  
best to make it work.

If you want the DB PMC to sponsor the project I can bring a proposal  
to the PMC, but I am not sure what it means to have the DB PMC  
sponsor it and have the project intended to become a top level project.

Looking at the proposal, I would suggest a couple small changes:

* Change the requested cayenne-pmc mailing list to cayenne-ppmc
* Let's see if the DB PMC is willing to sponsor (I am just the chair)  
before we make that part of the proposal =)


Bill, are you willing to help mentor? I ask as you initially  
contacted us here =)

We may also want to take this discussion to general@incubator --  
which gets a bit more traffic and probably where people can offer  
more advice!

-Brian

On Feb 24, 2006, at 10:55 PM, Andrus Adamchik wrote:

> Brian, et all.
>
> We put a proposal draft on Cayenne Wiki:
>
> http://objectstyle.org/confluence/display/CAY/ASF+Proposal
>
> As we are requesting DB PMC to sponsor it, I am posting it on this  
> list before we send it to the incubator. I guess someone from DB  
> PMC would have to initiate the incubator request. Please comment.
>
> Thanks
> Andrus
>
>
> On Feb 20, 2006, at 8:38 PM, Brian McCallister wrote:
>> Cayenne might be better suited for TLP status, which I suggest  
>> considering as the DB project is starting to balloon =)
>>
>> That said, I am very willing to support Cayenne personally, and  
>> suspect the rest of the DB PMC might be supportive as well. It  
>> would fit well in the DB project conceptually (which historically  
>> is more about database access than databases). I just am trying to  
>> go with the TLP preference vibe going around, and that Cayenne has  
>> been around a while I don't want to cramp their style.
>>
>> So, I'm very happy to help mentor (the Official Incubator Role and  
>> the actual verb, as it relates to working within Apache) Cayenne,  
>> and would love to see this work out! It may be worth pinging the  
>> Tapestry folks as well as I have seen a lot of Cayenne use within  
>> the Tapestry community, and they are an energetic bunch.
>>
>> -Brian
>