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[all] Size of releases
Hello,
today the size of releases were discussed. If your podling release
exceeds 1 GB of (total) size, please inform infra. They probably need
to coordinate such releases to prevent problems with our mirrors.
I will try to update this document now with the recommendation from infra:
http://incubator.apache.org/guides/releasemanagement.html#release-distribution
Cheers,
Christian
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Re: [all] Size of releases
Posted by Christian Grobmeier <gr...@gmail.com>.
On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 2:05 AM, Daniel Shahaf <d....@daniel.shahaf.name> wrote:
> Christian Grobmeier wrote on Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 00:22:19 +0200:
>> On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 12:06 AM, Daniel Shahaf <d....@daniel.shahaf.name> wrote:
>> > Jukka Zitting wrote on Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 22:34:30 +0200:
>> >> Hi,
>> >>
>> >> On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 6:19 PM, Christian Grobmeier
>> >> <gr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > I will try to update this document now with the recommendation from infra:
>> >> > http://incubator.apache.org/guides/releasemanagement.html#release-distribution
>> >>
>> >> While you're at it, can you please also (or rather instead) update the
>> >> ASF-wide documentation at http://www.apache.org/dev/#releases?
>> >>
>> >> This isn't particularly tied to the Incubator, so the primary place
>> >> for the relevant guidance shouldn't IMHO be incubator.apache.org. Most
>> >> notably the IPMC shouldn't be responsible for updating this
>> >> information in case the related infra policies change.
>> >>
>> >
>> > Yes it's on infra's radar to document the "some releases are large
>> > enough to need coordination with us" point. We've been busy so haven't
>> > got to it yet
>>
>> Please let us know if you have found some time, then we can point from
>> our release-docs to your document.
>
> http://www.apache.org/dev/release#heads-up
Thank you, I have linked this document in the "release management" guide.
Cheers
Christian
> % $svn di
> Index: release.mdtext
> ===================================================================
> --- release.mdtext (revision 1311120)
> +++ release.mdtext (revision 1311121)
> @@ -222,6 +222,18 @@
> their dist/ dir. To transition just open a Jira ticket and specify: (1) what
> mailing list commit mails should go to.
>
> +## Do I need to talk to Infrastructure before distributing a release? {#heads-up}
> +
> +Most projects can just distribute a release as described in the previous two
> +questions. However, releases that are likely to strain the mirroring and
> +download resources **must** be coordinated with infrastructure.
> +
> +Releases of more than 1GB of artifacts require a heads-up to Infrastructure in
> +advance.
> +
> +Specific exemptions from other dist policies (such as what may or must or must
> +not be distributed via the mirrors) also need to be coordinated with Infrastructure.
> +
> ## How Should Releases Be Announced? ## {#release-announcements}
>
> Please ensure that you wait at least 24 hours after uploading a new release
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Re: [all] Size of releases
Posted by Daniel Shahaf <d....@daniel.shahaf.name>.
Christian Grobmeier wrote on Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 00:22:19 +0200:
> On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 12:06 AM, Daniel Shahaf <d....@daniel.shahaf.name> wrote:
> > Jukka Zitting wrote on Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 22:34:30 +0200:
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 6:19 PM, Christian Grobmeier
> >> <gr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > I will try to update this document now with the recommendation from infra:
> >> > http://incubator.apache.org/guides/releasemanagement.html#release-distribution
> >>
> >> While you're at it, can you please also (or rather instead) update the
> >> ASF-wide documentation at http://www.apache.org/dev/#releases?
> >>
> >> This isn't particularly tied to the Incubator, so the primary place
> >> for the relevant guidance shouldn't IMHO be incubator.apache.org. Most
> >> notably the IPMC shouldn't be responsible for updating this
> >> information in case the related infra policies change.
> >>
> >
> > Yes it's on infra's radar to document the "some releases are large
> > enough to need coordination with us" point. We've been busy so haven't
> > got to it yet
>
> Please let us know if you have found some time, then we can point from
> our release-docs to your document.
http://www.apache.org/dev/release#heads-up
% $svn di
Index: release.mdtext
===================================================================
--- release.mdtext (revision 1311120)
+++ release.mdtext (revision 1311121)
@@ -222,6 +222,18 @@
their dist/ dir. To transition just open a Jira ticket and specify: (1) what
mailing list commit mails should go to.
+## Do I need to talk to Infrastructure before distributing a release? {#heads-up}
+
+Most projects can just distribute a release as described in the previous two
+questions. However, releases that are likely to strain the mirroring and
+download resources **must** be coordinated with infrastructure.
+
+Releases of more than 1GB of artifacts require a heads-up to Infrastructure in
+advance.
+
+Specific exemptions from other dist policies (such as what may or must or must
+not be distributed via the mirrors) also need to be coordinated with Infrastructure.
+
## How Should Releases Be Announced? ## {#release-announcements}
Please ensure that you wait at least 24 hours after uploading a new release
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Re: [all] Size of releases
Posted by Christian Grobmeier <gr...@gmail.com>.
On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 12:06 AM, Daniel Shahaf <d....@daniel.shahaf.name> wrote:
> Jukka Zitting wrote on Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 22:34:30 +0200:
>> Hi,
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 6:19 PM, Christian Grobmeier
>> <gr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > I will try to update this document now with the recommendation from infra:
>> > http://incubator.apache.org/guides/releasemanagement.html#release-distribution
>>
>> While you're at it, can you please also (or rather instead) update the
>> ASF-wide documentation at http://www.apache.org/dev/#releases?
>>
>> This isn't particularly tied to the Incubator, so the primary place
>> for the relevant guidance shouldn't IMHO be incubator.apache.org. Most
>> notably the IPMC shouldn't be responsible for updating this
>> information in case the related infra policies change.
>>
>
> Yes it's on infra's radar to document the "some releases are large
> enough to need coordination with us" point. We've been busy so haven't
> got to it yet
Please let us know if you have found some time, then we can point from
our release-docs to your document.
Cheers
Christian
>> BR,
>>
>> Jukka Zitting
>>
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Re: [all] Size of releases
Posted by Daniel Shahaf <d....@daniel.shahaf.name>.
Jukka Zitting wrote on Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 22:34:30 +0200:
> Hi,
>
> On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 6:19 PM, Christian Grobmeier
> <gr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I will try to update this document now with the recommendation from infra:
> > http://incubator.apache.org/guides/releasemanagement.html#release-distribution
>
> While you're at it, can you please also (or rather instead) update the
> ASF-wide documentation at http://www.apache.org/dev/#releases?
>
> This isn't particularly tied to the Incubator, so the primary place
> for the relevant guidance shouldn't IMHO be incubator.apache.org. Most
> notably the IPMC shouldn't be responsible for updating this
> information in case the related infra policies change.
>
Yes it's on infra's radar to document the "some releases are large
enough to need coordination with us" point. We've been busy so haven't
got to it yet
> BR,
>
> Jukka Zitting
>
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Re: [all] Size of releases
Posted by Jukka Zitting <ju...@gmail.com>.
Hi,
On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 11:41 PM, Christian Grobmeier
<gr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> can you agree?
Sure, no problem. I just want to avoid having us documenting specific
limits (the mentioned 1GB) that, as Joe said, are already becoming
outdated.
BR,
Jukka Zitting
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Re: [all] Size of releases
Posted by Christian Grobmeier <gr...@gmail.com>.
Jukka,
On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 10:34 PM, Jukka Zitting <ju...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I will try to update this document now with the recommendation from infra:
>> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/releasemanagement.html#release-distribution
>
> While you're at it, can you please also (or rather instead) update the
> ASF-wide documentation at http://www.apache.org/dev/#releases?
>
> This isn't particularly tied to the Incubator, so the primary place
> for the relevant guidance shouldn't IMHO be incubator.apache.org. Most
> notably the IPMC shouldn't be responsible for updating this
> information in case the related infra policies change.
it is not really a policy, it was more a recommendation.
IMHO it is not necessary to look at the global website here. TLD
projects already have learned about the mirroring system or know how
to ask. It is very unlikely that an existing project suddenly extends
the binaries extraordinary.
It is more likely, that new projects which just started with the ASF
don't have a clue about the mirroring system and how it all works.
Once they have done their first releases, everything should go pretty
well - we mentors should just catch the exceptions and make sure we
educate them proper on the mirroring system.
That being said, if an incubator release is > 1 GB we should ask the
podling about that, no matter if there are problems with mirrors or
not (personal note).
BTW, I am not speaking for infra here, just want to help avoid nasty
situations were some poor infra guys are waked by a Nagios alarm.
can you agree?
Cheers
Christian
>
> BR,
>
> Jukka Zitting
>
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Re: [all] Size of releases
Posted by Joe Schaefer <jo...@yahoo.com>.
Can I please once again suggest that some
of the enthusiasm for promoting the 1GB
estimate I gave be tempered a bit with the
morerealistic circumstance that this will
all soon be a non-issue again once we've sorted
out OpenOffice over the coming days and weeks?
The bigtop situation is rather unique to
bigtop's goals and shouldn't be used as a
barometer for what "normal" release processes
should be bothering with.
In short, nothing to see here. No need to
start blabbering about mirror limits on
official documentation, etc. A sanity
guideline in the incubator docs is entirely
enough already.
>________________________________
> From: Jukka Zitting <ju...@gmail.com>
>To: general@incubator.apache.org
>Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 4:34 PM
>Subject: Re: [all] Size of releases
>
>Hi,
>
>On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 6:19 PM, Christian Grobmeier
><gr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I will try to update this document now with the recommendation from infra:
>> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/releasemanagement.html#release-distribution
>
>While you're at it, can you please also (or rather instead) update the
>ASF-wide documentation at http://www.apache.org/dev/#releases?
>
>This isn't particularly tied to the Incubator, so the primary place
>for the relevant guidance shouldn't IMHO be incubator.apache.org. Most
>notably the IPMC shouldn't be responsible for updating this
>information in case the related infra policies change.
>
>BR,
>
>Jukka Zitting
>
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Re: [all] Size of releases
Posted by Jukka Zitting <ju...@gmail.com>.
Hi,
On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 6:19 PM, Christian Grobmeier
<gr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I will try to update this document now with the recommendation from infra:
> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/releasemanagement.html#release-distribution
While you're at it, can you please also (or rather instead) update the
ASF-wide documentation at http://www.apache.org/dev/#releases?
This isn't particularly tied to the Incubator, so the primary place
for the relevant guidance shouldn't IMHO be incubator.apache.org. Most
notably the IPMC shouldn't be responsible for updating this
information in case the related infra policies change.
BR,
Jukka Zitting
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Re: [all] Size of releases
Posted by sebb <se...@gmail.com>.
On 28 March 2012 17:19, Christian Grobmeier <gr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> today the size of releases were discussed. If your podling release
> exceeds 1 GB of (total) size, please inform infra. They probably need
> to coordinate such releases to prevent problems with our mirrors.
And please remember to remove superseded releases once a new release
has been out a few days.
Old releases are always available from http://archive.apache.org/dist/
The mirroring system should only be used to serve the current release.
> I will try to update this document now with the recommendation from infra:
> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/releasemanagement.html#release-distribution
>
> Cheers,
> Christian
>
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