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[VOTE] Retire AltRMI
The AltRMI podling, <http://incubator.apache.org/projects/
altrmi.html> has become stagnant. Here is a vote to move it into
retirement.
[ ] -1 : It lives on, you someone missed my recent commits on it last
week
[ ] 0 : I don't do fall cleansing
[ ] +1 : Move to retirement
Here's my +1
-pete
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Re: [VOTE] Retire AltRMI
Posted by Alex Karasulu <ao...@bellsouth.net>.
peter royal wrote:
> The AltRMI podling, <http://incubator.apache.org/projects/altrmi.html>
> has become stagnant. Here is a vote to move it into retirement.
>
> [ ] -1 : It lives on, you someone missed my recent commits on it last week
> [ ] 0 : I don't do fall cleansing
> [X] +1 : Move to retirement
Alex
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Re: [VOTE] Retire AltRMI
Posted by J Aaron Farr <fa...@apache.org>.
On 11/6/06, peter royal <pr...@apache.org> wrote:
> The AltRMI podling, <http://incubator.apache.org/projects/
> altrmi.html> has become stagnant. Here is a vote to move it into
> retirement.
>
> [ ] -1 : It lives on, you someone missed my recent commits on it last
> week
> [ ] 0 : I don't do fall cleansing
> [ ] +1 : Move to retirement
+1
Poor altrmi... I really liked that code... :-)
And stagnant is putting it nicely.
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Re: [VOTE] Retire AltRMI
Posted by Yoav Shapira <yo...@apache.org>.
Hi,
On 11/7/06, Noel J. Bergman <no...@devtech.com> wrote:
> Yoav Shapira wrote:
>
> > am in favor of fall/spring/periodic cleanups in general.
>
> +1 Would be happy if people would help select some other candidates.
>
> > I would not be at ease retiring a project without hearing from
> > its mentor, who's yet to vote on this thread.
>
> It is such an old project it predates the notion, but Paul has several times
> suggested retirement.
Great. Thank you Noel for clarifying, and thanks Paul for explaining
much the same in your vote post. +1 from me now.
As for suggesting other retirement candidates, I'll take a look.
How's WSRP4J going?
Yoav
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Re: [VOTE] Retire AltRMI
Posted by Yoav Shapira <yo...@apache.org>.
Hi,
On 11/6/06, peter royal <pr...@apache.org> wrote:
> AltRMI pre-dates mentors. It was one of the very first things to
> enter the incubator (being an offshot from the ex-Avalon project).
> Nicola Ken Barozzi is the closest there is, and he's currently
> emeritus with the foundation.
>
> Paul Hammant was one of the principal committers on the project (I
> contributed as well), which is why I cc'd him on the vote.
Ah, OK. Thank you for the clarification. Looking at the project page
I mistakingly understood that Paul was the sole mentor at this time.
Yoav
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Re: [VOTE] Retire AltRMI
Posted by peter royal <pr...@apache.org>.
On Nov 6, 2006, at 1:03 PM, Yoav Shapira wrote:
> I myself am +0 as I don't follow the project but am in favor of
> fall/spring/periodic cleanups in general. However, I would not be at
> ease retiring a project without hearing from its mentor, who's yet to
> vote on this thread.
AltRMI pre-dates mentors. It was one of the very first things to
enter the incubator (being an offshot from the ex-Avalon project).
Nicola Ken Barozzi is the closest there is, and he's currently
emeritus with the foundation.
Paul Hammant was one of the principal committers on the project (I
contributed as well), which is why I cc'd him on the vote.
-pete
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RE: [VOTE] Retire AltRMI
Posted by "Noel J. Bergman" <no...@devtech.com>.
Yoav Shapira wrote:
> am in favor of fall/spring/periodic cleanups in general.
+1 Would be happy if people would help select some other candidates.
> I would not be at ease retiring a project without hearing from
> its mentor, who's yet to vote on this thread.
It is such an old project it predates the notion, but Paul has several times
suggested retirement.
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Re: [VOTE] Retire AltRMI
Posted by Yoav Shapira <yo...@apache.org>.
Hi,
I myself am +0 as I don't follow the project but am in favor of
fall/spring/periodic cleanups in general. However, I would not be at
ease retiring a project without hearing from its mentor, who's yet to
vote on this thread.
Yoav
On 11/6/06, Henri Yandell <fl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> +1. Retire.
>
> On 11/6/06, peter royal <pr...@apache.org> wrote:
> > The AltRMI podling, <http://incubator.apache.org/projects/
> > altrmi.html> has become stagnant. Here is a vote to move it into
> > retirement.
> >
> > [ ] -1 : It lives on, you someone missed my recent commits on it last
> > week
> > [ ] 0 : I don't do fall cleansing
> > [ ] +1 : Move to retirement
> >
> > Here's my +1
> >
> > -pete
> >
> >
> > --
> > proyal@apache.org - http://fotap.org/~osi
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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Re: [VOTE] Retire AltRMI
Posted by Henri Yandell <fl...@gmail.com>.
+1. Retire.
On 11/6/06, peter royal <pr...@apache.org> wrote:
> The AltRMI podling, <http://incubator.apache.org/projects/
> altrmi.html> has become stagnant. Here is a vote to move it into
> retirement.
>
> [ ] -1 : It lives on, you someone missed my recent commits on it last
> week
> [ ] 0 : I don't do fall cleansing
> [ ] +1 : Move to retirement
>
> Here's my +1
>
> -pete
>
>
> --
> proyal@apache.org - http://fotap.org/~osi
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [VOTE] Retire AltRMI
Posted by Brett Porter <br...@gmail.com>.
+1
On 07/11/06, peter royal <pr...@apache.org> wrote:
> The AltRMI podling, <http://incubator.apache.org/projects/
> altrmi.html> has become stagnant. Here is a vote to move it into
> retirement.
>
> [ ] -1 : It lives on, you someone missed my recent commits on it last
> week
> [ ] 0 : I don't do fall cleansing
> [ ] +1 : Move to retirement
>
> Here's my +1
>
> -pete
>
>
> --
> proyal@apache.org - http://fotap.org/~osi
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [VOTE] Retire AltRMI
Posted by Paul Hammant <pa...@hammant.org>.
The mentor and lead (cough) I mean person who made most commits. I've
also voted +1 for retirement@ Apache.
There are tons of things wrong with AltRMI that precluded a 1.0
release. That notwithstanding the fact that it went out in a couple
of releases of http://enterpriseobjectbroker.org/
* the callback side of it (duplex if you like) had some flaws in
that it would not scale very well and would create problems in the
attempt to recover a connection
* there are some logical holes in the client/server
communication ... handshaking if you will
* nothing about it is robust or hardened against hackers.
* its Stub generator (Javac based) was well past in sell by date,
and one could suggest in the age of dynamic proxies is not needed
* 20% of its code was bound to Avalon which just ain't needed
these days.
* coverage was pretty low. no unit tests, although many
integration tests
* arcane naming of classes, methods and concepts.
* I could go on..
As it happens a massively reworked version lives at Codehaus ->
http://svn.jremoting.codehaus.org/ (no site) with many features
deleted. It is a fork yes. Most of the code that survives has a
copyright statement crediting Apache - like http://
svn.jremoting.codehaus.org/browse/jremoting/jremoting/trunk/api/src/
java/org/codehaus/jremoting/server/StubRetriever.java A much smaller
number of genuinely new classes are copyrighted to just "The
JRemoting Committers" - http://svn.jremoting.codehaus.org/browse/
jremoting/jremoting/trunk/server/src/java/org/codehaus/jremoting/
server/transports/ServerXStreamDriver.java All is Apache licensed of
course rather than my more usual BSD
Regards,
- Paul
On Nov 6, 2006, at 10:06 PM, Leo Simons wrote:
> On Nov 6, 2006, at 9:01 PM, peter royal wrote:
>> The AltRMI podling, <http://incubator.apache.org/projects/
>> altrmi.html> has become stagnant. Here is a vote to move it into
>> retirement.
>>
>> [ ] -1 : It lives on, you someone missed my recent commits on it
>> last week
>> [ ] 0 : I don't do fall cleansing
>> [ ] +1 : Move to retirement
>>
>> Here's my +1
>
> +1.
>
> Shame though. Such a great codebase it is. So much "just works"
> feeling attached to it no-one needs to work on it.
>
> Heh. Perhaps we can prod some of its contributors (who moved on to
> bigger and greater things long ago as far as I know) to contribute
> some of the good bits as a replacement RMI module to Harmony, and
> have AltRMI eclipse RMI many years after it was first envisioned.
>
> Or maybe not :)
>
> cheers,
>
> Leo
>
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Re: [VOTE] Retire AltRMI
Posted by Jim Jagielski <ji...@jaguNET.com>.
On Nov 6, 2006, at 5:06 PM, Leo Simons wrote:
> On Nov 6, 2006, at 9:01 PM, peter royal wrote:
>> The AltRMI podling, <http://incubator.apache.org/projects/
>> altrmi.html> has become stagnant. Here is a vote to move it into
>> retirement.
>>
>> [ ] -1 : It lives on, you someone missed my recent commits on it
>> last week
>> [ ] 0 : I don't do fall cleansing
>> [ ] +1 : Move to retirement
>>
>> Here's my +1
>
> +1.
>
> Shame though. Such a great codebase it is. So much "just works"
> feeling attached to it no-one needs to work on it.
>
+1 all the way around.
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Re: [VOTE] Retire AltRMI
Posted by Leo Simons <ma...@leosimons.com>.
On Nov 6, 2006, at 9:01 PM, peter royal wrote:
> The AltRMI podling, <http://incubator.apache.org/projects/
> altrmi.html> has become stagnant. Here is a vote to move it into
> retirement.
>
> [ ] -1 : It lives on, you someone missed my recent commits on it
> last week
> [ ] 0 : I don't do fall cleansing
> [ ] +1 : Move to retirement
>
> Here's my +1
+1.
Shame though. Such a great codebase it is. So much "just works"
feeling attached to it no-one needs to work on it.
Heh. Perhaps we can prod some of its contributors (who moved on to
bigger and greater things long ago as far as I know) to contribute
some of the good bits as a replacement RMI module to Harmony, and
have AltRMI eclipse RMI many years after it was first envisioned.
Or maybe not :)
cheers,
Leo
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Re: [VOTE] Retire AltRMI
Posted by Paul Hammant <pa...@hammant.org>.
> The AltRMI podling, <http://incubator.apache.org/projects/
> altrmi.html> has become stagnant. Here is a vote to move it into
> retirement.
>
> [ ] -1 : It lives on, you someone missed my recent commits on it
> last week
> [ ] 0 : I don't do fall cleansing
> [ ] +1 : Move to retirement
+1
-Paul
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RE: [VOTE] Retire AltRMI
Posted by "Noel J. Bergman" <no...@devtech.com>.
+1 Move to retirement
--- Noel