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Migration of Wiki content
Hello,
in addition to the migration of code and bugs (which should happen in bulk) we also need to migrate our Wiki content.
So far Wiki content is distributed on 3 Wikis (Hyracks, AsterixDB, and Grape) and for each page we have up to 4 options
1) leave it where it is (only for Grape)
2) move to the confluence wiki [1]
3) add it to the website that is managed in git
4) abandon the page (maybe some stuff is a little outdated).
I’ve created a Google spreadsheet [2] to help with the process. It lists some pages grouped by Wiki.
For pages that are not listed, I suggest to either abandon them (Google Code Wikis) or leave them as-is (Grape Wiki).
For each page that is listed, we can vote for 1 of the 4 options by adding 1 to the column of the option.
I’ve pre-populated the sheet with my votes so far.
Please add pages that should be migrated as well and vote for the existing ones.
Cheers,
Till
[1] https://cwiki.apache.org/ <https://cwiki.apache.org/>
[2] http://s.apache.org/0HfX <http://s.apache.org/0HfX>
Re: Migration of Wiki content
Posted by Mike Carey <dt...@gmail.com>.
EVERYONE: Please try to take a look at this between now and Friday's
status meeting. (That way we can get this figured out soon by
crowd-sourcing.) Thx!
On 4/14/15 10:05 PM, Till Westmann wrote:
> Hello,
>
> in addition to the migration of code and bugs (which should happen in bulk) we also need to migrate our Wiki content.
> So far Wiki content is distributed on 3 Wikis (Hyracks, AsterixDB, and Grape) and for each page we have up to 4 options
> 1) leave it where it is (only for Grape)
> 2) move to the confluence wiki [1]
> 3) add it to the website that is managed in git
> 4) abandon the page (maybe some stuff is a little outdated).
>
> I’ve created a Google spreadsheet [2] to help with the process. It lists some pages grouped by Wiki.
> For pages that are not listed, I suggest to either abandon them (Google Code Wikis) or leave them as-is (Grape Wiki).
> For each page that is listed, we can vote for 1 of the 4 options by adding 1 to the column of the option.
> I’ve pre-populated the sheet with my votes so far.
> Please add pages that should be migrated as well and vote for the existing ones.
>
> Cheers,
> Till
>
> [1] https://cwiki.apache.org/ <https://cwiki.apache.org/>
> [2] http://s.apache.org/0HfX <http://s.apache.org/0HfX>
>
>
Re: Migration of Wiki content
Posted by Yingyi Bu <bu...@gmail.com>.
Hi Till, Mike,
I have a bunch of Pregelix-related wikis (user manual/dev
manual/release notes) under https://code.google.com/p/hyracks/w/list, also
there is an IMRU wiki in the hyracks wiki list. I definitely want to keep
them. Where should I put them?
Thanks!
Best,
Yingyi
On Sun, Apr 19, 2015 at 4:12 PM, Till Westmann <ti...@apache.org> wrote:
> I think that user audience vs developer audience is orthogonal to wiki vs
> website.
>
> Many Apache websites contain documentation for both audiences.
> I think that it is helpful to separate the documentation for both
> audiences to set expectations right, but we don’t need a different
> technology to highlight the difference :)
>
> Just my 2c,
> Till
>
> > On Apr 19, 2015, at 3:54 PM, Steven Jacobs <sj...@ucr.edu> wrote:
> >
> > Okay, my understanding was that things that aren't for end users (such as
> > my serialization doc) wouldn't go on the git website, but it doesn't
> matter
> > much to me.
> > Steven
> >
> > On Sun, Apr 19, 2015 at 3:27 PM, Till Westmann <ti...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> >> I think that the determining factor is where you think it should be put.
> >>
> >> I'm not a big fan of Wikis. I think that they are ok for temporary stuff
> >> (status reports, idea collections, ..). But anything that might be
> relevant
> >> a bit longer, I'd prefer to see in git.
> >> But then that's just my opinion (at this point in time :) ), and I'd be
> >> fine to have the documents in a Wiki if that works better for most other
> >> people.
> >> That's why I put numbers into the spreadsheet so that everybody can
> >> increment the number for their preferred option.
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >> Till
> >>
> >>> On Apr 19, 2015, at 15:09, Steven Jacobs <sj...@ucr.edu> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> What is the determining factor between the Confluence Wiki and the git
> >>> website?
> >>> Steven
> >>>
> >>>> On Sun, Apr 19, 2015 at 10:45 AM, Mike Carey <dt...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> AsterixDB developers: As was mentioned last week, we are going to
> >>>> migrate (now!) our content from the Coogle code and UCI (grape) wiki
> >> worlds
> >>>> into Apache-land. Till's reference [2] below is a list of all
> >>>> documents/notes that should be moved. We won't throw out ancient
> >> history
> >>>> at UCI, but we needn't move it - we should only move things from grape
> >> to
> >>>> Apache that are current/relevant/helpful - and we will soon lose all
> our
> >>>> Google-resident stuff.
> >>>>
> >>>> PLEASE: Have a look at the Google doc (reference [2]) and add things
> to
> >>>> the list that you think need to be added. @Steven, @Keren, make sure
> >> your
> >>>> stuff is there - @Chris, the same for anything you might have created
> -
> >>>> ditto for others. Thanks!! Anything that is not on the list by this
> >>>> coming Friday (4/24) will be deemed unnecessary - and there is surely
> >> more
> >>>> that's necessary to preserve than what's listed so far. Please ask
> Till
> >>>> and I if you have questions about anything in terms of its relevance.
> >> Thx!
> >>>>
> >>>> Cheers,
> >>>> Mike
> >>>>
> >>>> On 4/14/15 10:05 PM, Till Westmann wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Hello,
> >>>>
> >>>> in addition to the migration of code and bugs (which should happen in
> >> bulk) we also need to migrate our Wiki content.
> >>>> So far Wiki content is distributed on 3 Wikis (Hyracks, AsterixDB, and
> >> Grape) and for each page we have up to 4 options
> >>>> 1) leave it where it is (only for Grape)
> >>>> 2) move to the confluence wiki [1]
> >>>> 3) add it to the website that is managed in git
> >>>> 4) abandon the page (maybe some stuff is a little outdated).
> >>>>
> >>>> I’ve created a Google spreadsheet [2] to help with the process. It
> >> lists some pages grouped by Wiki.
> >>>> For pages that are not listed, I suggest to either abandon them
> (Google
> >> Code Wikis) or leave them as-is (Grape Wiki).
> >>>> For each page that is listed, we can vote for 1 of the 4 options by
> >> adding 1 to the column of the option.
> >>>> I’ve pre-populated the sheet with my votes so far.
> >>>> Please add pages that should be migrated as well and vote for the
> >> existing ones.
> >>>>
> >>>> Cheers,
> >>>> Till
> >>>>
> >>>> [1] https://cwiki.apache.org/ <https://cwiki.apache.org/> <
> >> https://cwiki.apache.org/>
> >>>> [2] http://s.apache.org/0HfX <http://s.apache.org/0HfX> <
> >> http://s.apache.org/0HfX>
> >>>>
> >>>>
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Re: Migration of Wiki content
Posted by Till Westmann <ti...@apache.org>.
I think that user audience vs developer audience is orthogonal to wiki vs website.
Many Apache websites contain documentation for both audiences.
I think that it is helpful to separate the documentation for both audiences to set expectations right, but we don’t need a different technology to highlight the difference :)
Just my 2c,
Till
> On Apr 19, 2015, at 3:54 PM, Steven Jacobs <sj...@ucr.edu> wrote:
>
> Okay, my understanding was that things that aren't for end users (such as
> my serialization doc) wouldn't go on the git website, but it doesn't matter
> much to me.
> Steven
>
> On Sun, Apr 19, 2015 at 3:27 PM, Till Westmann <ti...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> I think that the determining factor is where you think it should be put.
>>
>> I'm not a big fan of Wikis. I think that they are ok for temporary stuff
>> (status reports, idea collections, ..). But anything that might be relevant
>> a bit longer, I'd prefer to see in git.
>> But then that's just my opinion (at this point in time :) ), and I'd be
>> fine to have the documents in a Wiki if that works better for most other
>> people.
>> That's why I put numbers into the spreadsheet so that everybody can
>> increment the number for their preferred option.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Till
>>
>>> On Apr 19, 2015, at 15:09, Steven Jacobs <sj...@ucr.edu> wrote:
>>>
>>> What is the determining factor between the Confluence Wiki and the git
>>> website?
>>> Steven
>>>
>>>> On Sun, Apr 19, 2015 at 10:45 AM, Mike Carey <dt...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> AsterixDB developers: As was mentioned last week, we are going to
>>>> migrate (now!) our content from the Coogle code and UCI (grape) wiki
>> worlds
>>>> into Apache-land. Till's reference [2] below is a list of all
>>>> documents/notes that should be moved. We won't throw out ancient
>> history
>>>> at UCI, but we needn't move it - we should only move things from grape
>> to
>>>> Apache that are current/relevant/helpful - and we will soon lose all our
>>>> Google-resident stuff.
>>>>
>>>> PLEASE: Have a look at the Google doc (reference [2]) and add things to
>>>> the list that you think need to be added. @Steven, @Keren, make sure
>> your
>>>> stuff is there - @Chris, the same for anything you might have created -
>>>> ditto for others. Thanks!! Anything that is not on the list by this
>>>> coming Friday (4/24) will be deemed unnecessary - and there is surely
>> more
>>>> that's necessary to preserve than what's listed so far. Please ask Till
>>>> and I if you have questions about anything in terms of its relevance.
>> Thx!
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Mike
>>>>
>>>> On 4/14/15 10:05 PM, Till Westmann wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hello,
>>>>
>>>> in addition to the migration of code and bugs (which should happen in
>> bulk) we also need to migrate our Wiki content.
>>>> So far Wiki content is distributed on 3 Wikis (Hyracks, AsterixDB, and
>> Grape) and for each page we have up to 4 options
>>>> 1) leave it where it is (only for Grape)
>>>> 2) move to the confluence wiki [1]
>>>> 3) add it to the website that is managed in git
>>>> 4) abandon the page (maybe some stuff is a little outdated).
>>>>
>>>> I’ve created a Google spreadsheet [2] to help with the process. It
>> lists some pages grouped by Wiki.
>>>> For pages that are not listed, I suggest to either abandon them (Google
>> Code Wikis) or leave them as-is (Grape Wiki).
>>>> For each page that is listed, we can vote for 1 of the 4 options by
>> adding 1 to the column of the option.
>>>> I’ve pre-populated the sheet with my votes so far.
>>>> Please add pages that should be migrated as well and vote for the
>> existing ones.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Till
>>>>
>>>> [1] https://cwiki.apache.org/ <https://cwiki.apache.org/> <
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/>
>>>> [2] http://s.apache.org/0HfX <http://s.apache.org/0HfX> <
>> http://s.apache.org/0HfX>
>>>>
>>>>
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Re: Migration of Wiki content
Posted by Steven Jacobs <sj...@ucr.edu>.
Okay, my understanding was that things that aren't for end users (such as
my serialization doc) wouldn't go on the git website, but it doesn't matter
much to me.
Steven
On Sun, Apr 19, 2015 at 3:27 PM, Till Westmann <ti...@apache.org> wrote:
> I think that the determining factor is where you think it should be put.
>
> I'm not a big fan of Wikis. I think that they are ok for temporary stuff
> (status reports, idea collections, ..). But anything that might be relevant
> a bit longer, I'd prefer to see in git.
> But then that's just my opinion (at this point in time :) ), and I'd be
> fine to have the documents in a Wiki if that works better for most other
> people.
> That's why I put numbers into the spreadsheet so that everybody can
> increment the number for their preferred option.
>
> Cheers,
> Till
>
> > On Apr 19, 2015, at 15:09, Steven Jacobs <sj...@ucr.edu> wrote:
> >
> > What is the determining factor between the Confluence Wiki and the git
> > website?
> > Steven
> >
> >> On Sun, Apr 19, 2015 at 10:45 AM, Mike Carey <dt...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> AsterixDB developers: As was mentioned last week, we are going to
> >> migrate (now!) our content from the Coogle code and UCI (grape) wiki
> worlds
> >> into Apache-land. Till's reference [2] below is a list of all
> >> documents/notes that should be moved. We won't throw out ancient
> history
> >> at UCI, but we needn't move it - we should only move things from grape
> to
> >> Apache that are current/relevant/helpful - and we will soon lose all our
> >> Google-resident stuff.
> >>
> >> PLEASE: Have a look at the Google doc (reference [2]) and add things to
> >> the list that you think need to be added. @Steven, @Keren, make sure
> your
> >> stuff is there - @Chris, the same for anything you might have created -
> >> ditto for others. Thanks!! Anything that is not on the list by this
> >> coming Friday (4/24) will be deemed unnecessary - and there is surely
> more
> >> that's necessary to preserve than what's listed so far. Please ask Till
> >> and I if you have questions about anything in terms of its relevance.
> Thx!
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >> Mike
> >>
> >> On 4/14/15 10:05 PM, Till Westmann wrote:
> >>
> >> Hello,
> >>
> >> in addition to the migration of code and bugs (which should happen in
> bulk) we also need to migrate our Wiki content.
> >> So far Wiki content is distributed on 3 Wikis (Hyracks, AsterixDB, and
> Grape) and for each page we have up to 4 options
> >> 1) leave it where it is (only for Grape)
> >> 2) move to the confluence wiki [1]
> >> 3) add it to the website that is managed in git
> >> 4) abandon the page (maybe some stuff is a little outdated).
> >>
> >> I’ve created a Google spreadsheet [2] to help with the process. It
> lists some pages grouped by Wiki.
> >> For pages that are not listed, I suggest to either abandon them (Google
> Code Wikis) or leave them as-is (Grape Wiki).
> >> For each page that is listed, we can vote for 1 of the 4 options by
> adding 1 to the column of the option.
> >> I’ve pre-populated the sheet with my votes so far.
> >> Please add pages that should be migrated as well and vote for the
> existing ones.
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >> Till
> >>
> >> [1] https://cwiki.apache.org/ <https://cwiki.apache.org/> <
> https://cwiki.apache.org/>
> >> [2] http://s.apache.org/0HfX <http://s.apache.org/0HfX> <
> http://s.apache.org/0HfX>
> >>
> >>
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Re: Migration of Wiki content
Posted by Till Westmann <ti...@apache.org>.
I think that the determining factor is where you think it should be put.
I'm not a big fan of Wikis. I think that they are ok for temporary stuff (status reports, idea collections, ..). But anything that might be relevant a bit longer, I'd prefer to see in git.
But then that's just my opinion (at this point in time :) ), and I'd be fine to have the documents in a Wiki if that works better for most other people.
That's why I put numbers into the spreadsheet so that everybody can increment the number for their preferred option.
Cheers,
Till
> On Apr 19, 2015, at 15:09, Steven Jacobs <sj...@ucr.edu> wrote:
>
> What is the determining factor between the Confluence Wiki and the git
> website?
> Steven
>
>> On Sun, Apr 19, 2015 at 10:45 AM, Mike Carey <dt...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> AsterixDB developers: As was mentioned last week, we are going to
>> migrate (now!) our content from the Coogle code and UCI (grape) wiki worlds
>> into Apache-land. Till's reference [2] below is a list of all
>> documents/notes that should be moved. We won't throw out ancient history
>> at UCI, but we needn't move it - we should only move things from grape to
>> Apache that are current/relevant/helpful - and we will soon lose all our
>> Google-resident stuff.
>>
>> PLEASE: Have a look at the Google doc (reference [2]) and add things to
>> the list that you think need to be added. @Steven, @Keren, make sure your
>> stuff is there - @Chris, the same for anything you might have created -
>> ditto for others. Thanks!! Anything that is not on the list by this
>> coming Friday (4/24) will be deemed unnecessary - and there is surely more
>> that's necessary to preserve than what's listed so far. Please ask Till
>> and I if you have questions about anything in terms of its relevance. Thx!
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Mike
>>
>> On 4/14/15 10:05 PM, Till Westmann wrote:
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> in addition to the migration of code and bugs (which should happen in bulk) we also need to migrate our Wiki content.
>> So far Wiki content is distributed on 3 Wikis (Hyracks, AsterixDB, and Grape) and for each page we have up to 4 options
>> 1) leave it where it is (only for Grape)
>> 2) move to the confluence wiki [1]
>> 3) add it to the website that is managed in git
>> 4) abandon the page (maybe some stuff is a little outdated).
>>
>> I’ve created a Google spreadsheet [2] to help with the process. It lists some pages grouped by Wiki.
>> For pages that are not listed, I suggest to either abandon them (Google Code Wikis) or leave them as-is (Grape Wiki).
>> For each page that is listed, we can vote for 1 of the 4 options by adding 1 to the column of the option.
>> I’ve pre-populated the sheet with my votes so far.
>> Please add pages that should be migrated as well and vote for the existing ones.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Till
>>
>> [1] https://cwiki.apache.org/ <https://cwiki.apache.org/> <https://cwiki.apache.org/>
>> [2] http://s.apache.org/0HfX <http://s.apache.org/0HfX> <http://s.apache.org/0HfX>
>>
>>
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Re: Migration of Wiki content
Posted by Steven Jacobs <sj...@ucr.edu>.
What is the determining factor between the Confluence Wiki and the git
website?
Steven
On Sun, Apr 19, 2015 at 10:45 AM, Mike Carey <dt...@gmail.com> wrote:
> AsterixDB developers: As was mentioned last week, we are going to
> migrate (now!) our content from the Coogle code and UCI (grape) wiki worlds
> into Apache-land. Till's reference [2] below is a list of all
> documents/notes that should be moved. We won't throw out ancient history
> at UCI, but we needn't move it - we should only move things from grape to
> Apache that are current/relevant/helpful - and we will soon lose all our
> Google-resident stuff.
>
> PLEASE: Have a look at the Google doc (reference [2]) and add things to
> the list that you think need to be added. @Steven, @Keren, make sure your
> stuff is there - @Chris, the same for anything you might have created -
> ditto for others. Thanks!! Anything that is not on the list by this
> coming Friday (4/24) will be deemed unnecessary - and there is surely more
> that's necessary to preserve than what's listed so far. Please ask Till
> and I if you have questions about anything in terms of its relevance. Thx!
>
> Cheers,
> Mike
>
> On 4/14/15 10:05 PM, Till Westmann wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> in addition to the migration of code and bugs (which should happen in bulk) we also need to migrate our Wiki content.
> So far Wiki content is distributed on 3 Wikis (Hyracks, AsterixDB, and Grape) and for each page we have up to 4 options
> 1) leave it where it is (only for Grape)
> 2) move to the confluence wiki [1]
> 3) add it to the website that is managed in git
> 4) abandon the page (maybe some stuff is a little outdated).
>
> I’ve created a Google spreadsheet [2] to help with the process. It lists some pages grouped by Wiki.
> For pages that are not listed, I suggest to either abandon them (Google Code Wikis) or leave them as-is (Grape Wiki).
> For each page that is listed, we can vote for 1 of the 4 options by adding 1 to the column of the option.
> I’ve pre-populated the sheet with my votes so far.
> Please add pages that should be migrated as well and vote for the existing ones.
>
> Cheers,
> Till
>
> [1] https://cwiki.apache.org/ <https://cwiki.apache.org/> <https://cwiki.apache.org/>
> [2] http://s.apache.org/0HfX <http://s.apache.org/0HfX> <http://s.apache.org/0HfX>
>
>
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Re: Migration of Wiki content
Posted by Mike Carey <dt...@gmail.com>.
AsterixDB developers: As was mentioned last week, we are going to
migrate (now!) our content from the Coogle code and UCI (grape) wiki
worlds into Apache-land. Till's reference [2] below is a list of all
documents/notes that should be moved. We won't throw out ancient history
at UCI, but we needn't move it - we should only move things from grape
to Apache that are current/relevant/helpful - and we will soon lose all
our Google-resident stuff.
PLEASE: Have a look at the Google doc (reference [2]) and add things to
the list that you think need to be added. @Steven, @Keren, make sure
your stuff is there - @Chris, the same for anything you might have
created - ditto for others. Thanks!! Anything that is not on the list
by this coming Friday (4/24) will be deemed unnecessary - and there is
surely more that's necessary to preserve than what's listed so far.
Please ask Till and I if you have questions about anything in terms of
its relevance. Thx!
Cheers,
Mike
On 4/14/15 10:05 PM, Till Westmann wrote:
> Hello,
>
> in addition to the migration of code and bugs (which should happen in bulk) we also need to migrate our Wiki content.
> So far Wiki content is distributed on 3 Wikis (Hyracks, AsterixDB, and Grape) and for each page we have up to 4 options
> 1) leave it where it is (only for Grape)
> 2) move to the confluence wiki [1]
> 3) add it to the website that is managed in git
> 4) abandon the page (maybe some stuff is a little outdated).
>
> I’ve created a Google spreadsheet [2] to help with the process. It lists some pages grouped by Wiki.
> For pages that are not listed, I suggest to either abandon them (Google Code Wikis) or leave them as-is (Grape Wiki).
> For each page that is listed, we can vote for 1 of the 4 options by adding 1 to the column of the option.
> I’ve pre-populated the sheet with my votes so far.
> Please add pages that should be migrated as well and vote for the existing ones.
>
> Cheers,
> Till
>
> [1] https://cwiki.apache.org/ <https://cwiki.apache.org/>
> [2] http://s.apache.org/0HfX <http://s.apache.org/0HfX>
>
>