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Lenya system requirements (was: Re: cmsuis_en missing)
solprovider@gmail.com schrieb:
> (...)
> Would someone please update the Installation Instructions with a note
> about other known good versions of Tomcat?
>
> "1. Get Apache Tomcat for JDK 1.4
> Lenya is developed and tested with Tomcat 5.0.28; it is assumed in the
> following instructions, and we highly recommend it.
> Tomcat 4.0.0+, 4.1.24+, 5.0.18+ and 5.5.0+ should work too."
That sounds reasonable to me, are there any objections ?
Actually I am not aware of any *Lenya* specific restrictions, AFAIK the
system requirements are those of Cocoon. As you can see in
http://cocoon.apache.org/2.1/installing/index.html#Installing+Cocoon
there are always differences between versions.
In fact, for my previous Cocoon app I hung on to Tomcat 3.3 as long as I
could in production, because I found it much leaner and stabler than
Tomcat 4. AFAIK Lenya should work fine on Tomcat 3.3 as well.
>
> Use the oldest possible versions in the documentation: 4.1.0?
>
> Hey everybody,
> What versions of Tomcat are you using with Lenya 1.2.2?
Started out with Tomcat 4 (as shipped in Suse 9.0) for several months,
now running Tomcat 5 (self downloaded because of problems in SuSE 9.2's
shipped version)
For dev purposes I use the Jetty that comes along. If the system
packages included Jetty I would have switched to that at the last server
update; in fact I may still do so anyway.
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Re: Lenya system requirements
Posted by so...@gmail.com.
On 5/25/05, J. Wolfgang Kaltz <ka...@interactivesystems.info> wrote:
> solprovider@gmail.com schrieb:
> > On 5/24/05, J. Wolfgang Kaltz <ka...@interactivesystems.info> wrote:
> > Then start a Wiki page for "KnownConfigurations":
> > Lenya, Cocoon, XSL, JRE, JSP Server, WebServer
>
> Would you care to start that Wiki page ?
> I am not familiar enough with Wiki formats to know if your ideas can be
> represented there (such as "Use a combined table with light green
> (good), yellow (conflicting reports), and pink (bad) backgrounds.") but
> it sounds like a good idea.
> Wolfgang
I can write HTML. I have no experience with Wiki (or most basic OSS
tools), but some Wiki pages have formatting. If I was designing an
application, I would store all the data including the email addresses
of the submitter (hidden from display), then automatically choose the
colors by comparing goods vs. bads. Would also want a Form so updates
do not require work; that should be publically available. I could
build this in Lenya if we move to Lenya for documentation.
Should add a comment field, especially for bad configs. Then we have
issue with approving the text.
One concern if we move to Lenya for documentation: would the proposed
new system track who made each change? If the SVN updates are
nightly, would individual edits be grouped into one "system" update?
Then the Lenya app would need accountability tracking.
---
So is Tomcat3.3 the lowest acceptable version?
Installation Instructions Revision Attempt #3:
"1. Get Apache Tomcat for JDK 1.4
Lenya is developed and tested with Tomcat 5.0.28; it is assumed in the
following instructions, and we highly recommend it.
Lenya uses the Java Servlet 2.2 specification, and may be compatible
with any version of Tomcat since the 3.3.0 release, but must use
Java 1.4.2. See <A>Known good configurations.</A>"
solprovider
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Re: Lenya system requirements
Posted by "J. Wolfgang Kaltz" <ka...@interactivesystems.info>.
solprovider@gmail.com schrieb:
> On 5/24/05, J. Wolfgang Kaltz <ka...@interactivesystems.info> wrote:
>
>>I am not aware of any *Lenya* specific restrictions, AFAIK the
>>system requirements are those of Cocoon. As you can see in
>>http://cocoon.apache.org/2.1/installing/index.html#Installing+Cocoon
>>there are always differences between versions.
>>In fact, for my previous Cocoon app I hung on to Tomcat 3.3 as long as I
>>could in production, because I found it much leaner and stabler than
>>Tomcat 4. AFAIK Lenya should work fine on Tomcat 3.3 as well.
>
>
> Aarrgh! When I started, the server already had Tomcat3.3 installed
> with mod_jk working. Tomcat4 was unstable then. I never tried
> Tomcat3 with Lenya because the Installation Instructions made it very
> clear anything less than Tomcat5.0.28 would not work. What forced you
> to upgrade?
Nothing technical, just the usual "it's obsolete" rhetoric. From my
part-time sysadmin perspective, my preference would actually be to use
whatever Java + Servlet container is available out-of-the-box on the
server's system. Unfortunately that is currently not the case.
> (...)
> Then start a Wiki page for "KnownConfigurations":
> Lenya, Cocoon, XSL, JRE, JSP Server, WebServer
Would you care to start that Wiki page ?
I am not familiar enough with Wiki formats to know if your ideas can be
represented there (such as "Use a combined table with light green
(good), yellow (conflicting reports), and pink (bad) backgrounds.") but
it sounds like a good idea.
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Re: Lenya system requirements
Posted by "J. Wolfgang Kaltz" <ka...@interactivesystems.info>.
Gregor J. Rothfuss schrieb:
> solprovider@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Installation Instructions Revision Attempt #2:
>> 1. Get Apache Tomcat for JDK 1.4
>> Lenya is developed and tested with Tomcat 5.0.28; it is assumed in the
>> following instructions, and we highly recommend it.
>> Lenya uses the Java Servlet 2.2 specification, and may be compatible
>> with any version of Tomcat since the initial 3.0 release, but must use
>> Java 1.4.2. See <A>Known good configurations.</A>
>
>
> 2.3 actually. 2.2 does not have the getResourceAsStream()
Actually, according to
http://servlets.com/soapbox/servlet21.html and
http://java.sun.com/products/servlet/2.1/api/javax.servlet.ServletContext.html
this was introduced in API 2.1.
So Tomcat 3.3 shouldn't be a problem.
I can imagine (as solprovider indicated) that there are still many of
these around in production, so Lenya should work on such existing
installations (assuming the current xml libraries can be added and do
not cause incompatibilities with other running webapps)
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Re: Lenya system requirements
Posted by "Gregor J. Rothfuss" <gr...@apache.org>.
solprovider@gmail.com wrote:
> Installation Instructions Revision Attempt #2:
> 1. Get Apache Tomcat for JDK 1.4
> Lenya is developed and tested with Tomcat 5.0.28; it is assumed in the
> following instructions, and we highly recommend it.
> Lenya uses the Java Servlet 2.2 specification, and may be compatible
> with any version of Tomcat since the initial 3.0 release, but must use
> Java 1.4.2. See <A>Known good configurations.</A>
2.3 actually. 2.2 does not have the getResourceAsStream()
> Then start a Wiki page for "KnownConfigurations":
> Lenya, Cocoon, XSL, JRE, JSP Server, WebServer
good idea
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Re: Lenya system requirements (was: Re: cmsuis_en missing)
Posted by so...@gmail.com.
On 5/24/05, J. Wolfgang Kaltz <ka...@interactivesystems.info> wrote:
> I am not aware of any *Lenya* specific restrictions, AFAIK the
> system requirements are those of Cocoon. As you can see in
> http://cocoon.apache.org/2.1/installing/index.html#Installing+Cocoon
> there are always differences between versions.
> In fact, for my previous Cocoon app I hung on to Tomcat 3.3 as long as I
> could in production, because I found it much leaner and stabler than
> Tomcat 4. AFAIK Lenya should work fine on Tomcat 3.3 as well.
Aarrgh! When I started, the server already had Tomcat3.3 installed
with mod_jk working. Tomcat4 was unstable then. I never tried
Tomcat3 with Lenya because the Installation Instructions made it very
clear anything less than Tomcat5.0.28 would not work. What forced you
to upgrade?
> solprovider@gmail.com schrieb:
> > Would someone please update the Installation Instructions with a note
> > about other known good versions of Tomcat?
On 5/24/05, J. Wolfgang Kaltz <ka...@interactivesystems.info> wrote:
> That sounds reasonable to me, are there any objections ?
>
> Started out with Tomcat 4 (as shipped in Suse 9.0) for several months,
> now running Tomcat 5 (self downloaded because of problems in SuSE 9.2's
> shipped version)
>
> For dev purposes I use the Jetty that comes along. If the system
> packages included Jetty I would have switched to that at the last server
> update; in fact I may still do so anyway.
Installation Instructions Revision Attempt #2:
1. Get Apache Tomcat for JDK 1.4
Lenya is developed and tested with Tomcat 5.0.28; it is assumed in the
following instructions, and we highly recommend it.
Lenya uses the Java Servlet 2.2 specification, and may be compatible
with any version of Tomcat since the initial 3.0 release, but must use
Java 1.4.2. See <A>Known good configurations.</A>
Then start a Wiki page for "KnownConfigurations":
Lenya, Cocoon, XSL, JRE, JSP Server, WebServer
Recommendations:
Lenya 1.2.2, Cocoon 2.1.7,
jakarta-bcel-20040329/jakarta-regexp-1.3/xalan-2.6.0/xercesImpl-2.6.2,
j2sdk1.4.2, None, None
Lenya 1.2.2, Cocoon 2.1.7,
jakarta-bcel-20040329/jakarta-regexp-1.3/xalan-2.6.0/xercesImpl-2.6.2,
j2sdk1.4.2, Tomcat5.0.28, None
Mine:
Lenya 1.2.2, Cocoon 2.1.6,
jakarta-bcel-20040329/jakarta-regexp-1.3/xalan-2.6.1-dev-20041008T0304/xercesImpl-2.6.2,
j2sdk1.4.2_08, Tomcat5.0.28, Apache 2.0.53
I upgraded j2sdk1.4.2_06 to j2sdk1.4.2_08 to stop Tomcat from
crashing. We should also track bad combinations. Replace the SDK in
my list for a bad config. Use a combined table with light green
(good), yellow (conflicting reports), and pink (bad) backgrounds.
Keep it sorted, JSP Server first so new users can pick the
Lenya-related software compatible with their current installation.
Hey everybody,
What is your software configuration for Lenya? Please use the
above format, and very specific versions.
Once the Wiki page is up, we should ask for data from the Users ml.
solprovider
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Re: Lenya system requirements
Posted by so...@gmail.com.
On 5/24/05, J. Wolfgang Kaltz <ka...@interactivesystems.info> wrote:
> AFAIK Lenya should work fine on Tomcat 3.3 as well.
On 5/25/05, Michael Wechner <mi...@wyona.com> wrote:
> Sorry to say this, but it's ridiculous to focus on 5.0.28!
>
> It should/might depend on the servlet API version, but certainly not on
> a specific servlet container implementation.
>
> Michi
This conversation is now on 3 threads; hopefully everyone will respond
here (as it has the best Subject.) This is mostly a repeat of my
response to "Lenya system requirements (was: Re: cmsuis_en missing)".
I think the new phrasing solves your issue.
Installation Instructions Revision Attempt #2:
"1. Get Apache Tomcat for JDK 1.4
Lenya is developed and tested with Tomcat 5.0.28; it is assumed in the
following instructions, and we highly recommend it.
Lenya uses the Java Servlet 2.2 specification, and may be compatible
with any version of Tomcat since the initial 3.0 release, but must use
Java 1.4.2. See <A>Known good configurations.</A>"
Then start a Wiki page for "KnownConfigurations":
Lenya, Cocoon, XSL, JRE, JSP Server, WebServer
Recommendations:
Lenya 1.2.2, Cocoon 2.1.7,
jakarta-bcel-20040329/jakarta-regexp-1.3/xalan-2.6.0/xercesImpl-2.6.2,
j2sdk1.4.2, None, None
Lenya 1.2.2, Cocoon 2.1.7,
jakarta-bcel-20040329/jakarta-regexp-1.3/xalan-2.6.0/xercesImpl-2.6.2,
j2sdk1.4.2, Tomcat5.0.28, None
Mine:
Lenya 1.2.2, Cocoon 2.1.6,
jakarta-bcel-20040329/jakarta-regexp-1.3/xalan-2.6.1-dev-20041008T0304/xercesImpl-2.6.2,
j2sdk1.4.2_08, Tomcat5.0.28, Apache 2.0.53
We should also track bad combinations. Use a combined table with light green
(good), yellow (conflicting reports), and pink (bad) backgrounds.
Keep it sorted, JSP Server first so new users can pick the
Lenya-related software compatible with their current installation.
Hey everybody,
What is your software configuration for Lenya? Please use the
above format, and very specific versions.
Once the Wiki page is up, we should ask for data from the Users ml.
solprovider
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Re: Lenya system requirements
Posted by Michael Wechner <mi...@wyona.com>.
Gregor J. Rothfuss wrote:
> Michael Wechner wrote:
>
>>> it's a recommendation. what is the problem again?
>>
>>
>> just think of a user which is running another Tomcat version or a
>> completely other servlet container reading the sentence above ... and
>> also put it in the context of backwards compatibility.
>
>
> >>>>> Tomcat 4.0.0+, 4.1.24+, 5.0.18+ and 5.5.0+ should work too."
>
> what is the problem again?
the original problem was that I noticed an error re cmsuis_en. That's
the problem
and all the other problems we had re backwards compatibility so far.
I am very tired of these kind of discussions and I just would like to be
able to expect
that people take care when changing stuff such that it stays backwards
compatible
and not just focuse on their private settings.
Michi
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Re: Lenya system requirements
Posted by "Gregor J. Rothfuss" <gr...@apache.org>.
Michael Wechner wrote:
>> it's a recommendation. what is the problem again?
>
> just think of a user which is running another Tomcat version or a
> completely other servlet container reading the sentence above ... and
> also put it in the context of backwards compatibility.
>>>>> Tomcat 4.0.0+, 4.1.24+, 5.0.18+ and 5.5.0+ should work too."
what is the problem again?
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Re: Lenya system requirements
Posted by Michael Wechner <mi...@wyona.com>.
Gregor J. Rothfuss wrote:
> Michael Wechner wrote:
>
>> J. Wolfgang Kaltz wrote:
>>
>>> solprovider@gmail.com schrieb:
>>>
>>>> (...)
>>>> Would someone please update the Installation Instructions with a note
>>>> about other known good versions of Tomcat?
>>>>
>>>> "1. Get Apache Tomcat for JDK 1.4
>>>> Lenya is developed and tested with Tomcat 5.0.28; it is assumed in the
>>>> following instructions, and we highly recommend it.
>>>> Tomcat 4.0.0+, 4.1.24+, 5.0.18+ and 5.5.0+ should work too."
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> That sounds reasonable to me, are there any objections ?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> sorry to say this, but it's ridiculous to focuse on 5.0.28!
>
>
> it's a recommendation. what is the problem again?
just think of a user which is running another Tomcat version or a
completely other servlet container reading the sentence above ... and
also put it in the context of backwards compatibility.
Michi
>
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Re: Lenya system requirements
Posted by "Gregor J. Rothfuss" <gr...@apache.org>.
Michael Wechner wrote:
> J. Wolfgang Kaltz wrote:
>
>> solprovider@gmail.com schrieb:
>>
>>> (...)
>>> Would someone please update the Installation Instructions with a note
>>> about other known good versions of Tomcat?
>>>
>>> "1. Get Apache Tomcat for JDK 1.4
>>> Lenya is developed and tested with Tomcat 5.0.28; it is assumed in the
>>> following instructions, and we highly recommend it.
>>> Tomcat 4.0.0+, 4.1.24+, 5.0.18+ and 5.5.0+ should work too."
>>
>>
>>
>> That sounds reasonable to me, are there any objections ?
>
>
>
> sorry to say this, but it's ridiculous to focuse on 5.0.28!
it's a recommendation. what is the problem again?
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Re: Lenya system requirements
Posted by Michael Wechner <mi...@wyona.com>.
J. Wolfgang Kaltz wrote:
> solprovider@gmail.com schrieb:
>
>> (...)
>> Would someone please update the Installation Instructions with a note
>> about other known good versions of Tomcat?
>>
>> "1. Get Apache Tomcat for JDK 1.4
>> Lenya is developed and tested with Tomcat 5.0.28; it is assumed in the
>> following instructions, and we highly recommend it.
>> Tomcat 4.0.0+, 4.1.24+, 5.0.18+ and 5.5.0+ should work too."
>
>
> That sounds reasonable to me, are there any objections ?
sorry to say this, but it's ridiculous to focuse on 5.0.28!
It should/might depend on the servlet API version, but certainly not on
a specific servlet container implementation.
Michi
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michael.wechner@wyona.com michi@apache.org
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