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DeviceMap Community - Incubator PMC/Board report
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Hi,
my 2 cents regarding growing the community :
In short :
This community is small and we see it getting smaller.
There some very good reasons for this (see below).
This will by it's nature always be a rather small specialized community.
But the ability to identify a user-agent/device will remain a
fundamental thing.
Bit Longer :
1) The 'Frameworks' always had the edge : much closer to the
web-developer. DDR is HTTP-headers, back-end-y, further...far away
stuff and never really reached them.
2) "Device" is shifting. What is currently understood as a "device",
the smart-and not so-smart phones, tables, pads, phablets,... are
becoming more generic. Instead of long lists of esoteric properties,
it's basically back to : OS/browser/rendering-engine.
DDR was 'sexy' because 'mobile' was 'device'.
3) HTML5 : following what goes on on the WhatWg list and 'out there'
you see it becoming easier and easier to 'do mobile' -- the sexy
stuff, no frameworks etc.
*But* the need for other uses stays [traffic analyses] and much more
importantly : 'device' will shift : "the Internet of Things"...sounds
very much like "devices" to me.
Maybe the community should congratulate 'mobile' as it graduates from
'device', and be ready to welcome in the next 'devices'.
esjr
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Re: DeviceMap Community - Incubator PMC/Board report
Posted by Reza <re...@yahoo.com.INVALID>.
As for your other question, would device map be more active if it had device data?
Yes, I believe so. First, I've pointed this out several times, the current implementation is not entirely accurate. This is due to the ODDR legacy. I rewrote the api which address many aspects of it, but the next step is to take control of the data so the 2 parts (data and api) are married in a more complete way. Right now they are disjointed, patterns are added without any knowledge of how they are best matched by the pattern matcher in the api. Also, the data gets copied over from ODDR. Its unknown whether ODDR is still active. The website is down. This risks the entire device map project.
Also, the data in itself is very useful. It doesnt need to be used with the api. I for one would port my dclass project to the data, so you will at least have 1 other project using this data. Im sure other projects would want to leverage this device data as well. Devices are the future, so there should be a project which captures and classifies these devices in a meaningful way.
________________________________
From: Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>
To: "devicemap-dev@incubator.apache.org" <de...@incubator.apache.org>
Cc: Reza <re...@yahoo.com>
Sent: Friday, June 27, 2014 11:27 AM
Subject: Re: DeviceMap Community - Incubator PMC/Board report
Hi,
On Fri, Jun 27, 2014 at 4:56 PM, Werner Keil <we...@gmail.com> wrote:
> ...there has never been the vitality we'd hope if there was finally an infrastructure here...
IIUC you mean that DeviceMap would be much more active if people could
easily submit device data.
If that's correct, how do you see this? What's the simplest setup that
allows that to happen?
-Bertrand
Re: DeviceMap Community - Incubator PMC/Board report
Posted by Werner Keil <we...@gmail.com>.
Hi,
Yes, that's correct. And while I can't say, what Gopal has in the pipeline,
it should work similar to e.g. Eclipse Babel:
http://babel.eclipse.org/babel/
Or the various Crowd Translation projects mentioned here:
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1866655/crowdsourced-translation
A good example would be Ackuna.com <http://ackuna.com/> which supports the
following string formats:
1. Microsoft Excel (.xls)
2. Microsoft Office Open XML (.xlsx)
3. Android XML (.xml)
4. Ruby YAML (.yml)
5. Blackberry Resource (.rrc)
6. iOS Strings (.strings)
7. Java configuration (.properties)
8. Gnu Gettext Protable Object (.po)
The XML based DDR resource format would be quite similar to several of
these markup languages.
IMHO the gathering of device signatures is far closer to e.g. translation
as it literally helps "translate" a mobile web application to a particular
device or class of devices.
P.s.: I proposed DM for ApacheCon Europe. Also told organizers, you could
be there and happy to act as co-speaker. Not sure, if they entered you, did
anybody approach you yet?
Werner
On Fri, Jun 27, 2014 at 5:27 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz <bdelacretaz@apache.org
> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Fri, Jun 27, 2014 at 4:56 PM, Werner Keil <we...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > ...there has never been the vitality we'd hope if there was finally an
> infrastructure here...
>
> IIUC you mean that DeviceMap would be much more active if people could
> easily submit device data.
>
> If that's correct, how do you see this? What's the simplest setup that
> allows that to happen?
>
> -Bertrand
>
Re: DeviceMap Community - Incubator PMC/Board report
Posted by Werner Keil <we...@gmail.com>.
I know, the important question is, are they (either with "paperwork" or by
simply registering online, could probably be similar and connected to a
JIRA account, after all it's also Java-based and see Eclipse, there a Babel
user works for Wiki or Bugzilla, too) allowed to contribute this way?
Artifacts which pretty much are the same you get out of Babel, some XML or
Java Resource Bundle/Properties.
On Fri, Jun 27, 2014 at 6:14 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz <bdelacretaz@apache.org
> wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 27, 2014 at 6:10 PM, Werner Keil <we...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > ...I don't know if this class of contributor exists as Apache, but it is
> comparable to
> > someone who files a bug in JIRA and may also attach something...
>
> You're kind of answering your own question ;-)
>
> Of course contributors exist for Apache projects, we get tons of
> contributions via jira issues, mailing lists answers and code snippets
> etc.
>
> -Bertrand
>
Re: DeviceMap Community - Incubator PMC/Board report
Posted by Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>.
On Fri, Jun 27, 2014 at 6:10 PM, Werner Keil <we...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> ...I don't know if this class of contributor exists as Apache, but it is comparable to
> someone who files a bug in JIRA and may also attach something...
You're kind of answering your own question ;-)
Of course contributors exist for Apache projects, we get tons of
contributions via jira issues, mailing lists answers and code snippets
etc.
-Bertrand
Re: DeviceMap Community - Incubator PMC/Board report
Posted by Werner Keil <we...@gmail.com>.
You misunderstand the point, and as mentioned in last month's report, this
web interface isn't primarily for *committers*, it is for another class of "
*contributors*", e.g. Eclipse Foundation just increased the lines of code
that can simply be contributed by Gerrit (a mechanism to provide/approve
change and pull-requests via Git, in theory we could also explore Git as
opposed to SVN to improve participation) without being a full committer.
I don't know if this class of contributor exists as Apache, but it is
comparable to someone who files a bug in JIRA and may also attach something
(anywhere from screenshot to an actual patch) but patch files sound
cumbersome and would require effort similar to what I do with OpenDDR so
far.
Take some pull-requests in the OpenDDR repo, which only a small number of
people there can process. That's why updates happen fewer now or may even
stop. Something we should avoid, but the key is to allow a wider audience
to make "casual contributions" without having to use SVN or install an IDE.
If you want a Web-based IDE, doesn't matter what you call it, the key is,
that people ON mobile devices could contribute device signatures either
manually or semi-automatic (via some experimental Cordova/DeviceMap ideas
we had earlier[?])
Werner
On Fri, Jun 27, 2014 at 5:45 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz <bdelacretaz@apache.org
> wrote:
> Hi Reza,
>
> On Fri, Jun 27, 2014 at 5:40 PM, Reza <re...@yahoo.com.invalid>
> wrote:
> > 2) create a website which allows user agents to be tested and new
> devices to be submitted...
>
> Ok, I see, and yes that's what I was asking for.
>
> Who among our committers would be using such a website to actually
> test devices and submit missing ones?
>
> Who would be willing to look at incoming missing User-Agents to
> enhance DeviceMap's database?
>
> I'm asking so as to gauge interest and try to find out if the project
> becomes viable with that.
>
> -Bertrand
>
Re: DeviceMap Community - Incubator PMC/Board report
Posted by Reza <re...@yahoo.com.INVALID>.
I will take care of it this weekend, otherwise soon.
________________________________
From: Werner Keil <we...@gmail.com>
To: "devicemap-dev@incubator.apache.org" <de...@incubator.apache.org>; Reza <re...@yahoo.com>
Sent: Friday, June 27, 2014 1:36 PM
Subject: Re: DeviceMap Community - Incubator PMC/Board report
Eclipse is fine with that, not sure, about Apache? There is a mirror on GitHub, but it only contains "browser-map", a no longer very active project AFAIK.
Maybe we could port some old or at least new stuff to Git, then it might be mirrored there, too?
On Fri, Jun 27, 2014 at 7:30 PM, Reza <re...@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
Well, I was talking specifically about the website/portal for device map. I will put some hours into it and then hopefully that will help it grow some legs.
>
>Any reasons not to mirror all of this stuff over on github and have that be the main workspace?
>
>
>
>________________________________
> From: Werner Keil <we...@gmail.com>
>To: "devicemap-dev@incubator.apache.org" <de...@incubator.apache.org>; Reza <re...@yahoo.com>
>Sent: Friday, June 27, 2014 1:25 PM
>
>Subject: Re: DeviceMap Community - Incubator PMC/Board report
>
>
>
>Similar to translations, the XML artifacts are not necessarily "code", but whatever we can do to attract more people. If you look at stats like those by Babel http://babel.eclipse.org/babel/recent.php not many of the total translators are committers.
>
>Werner
>
>
>
>
>
>On Fri, Jun 27, 2014 at 6:53 PM, Reza <re...@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
>
>Same, its probably better if this was developed in a more open way so multiple people can go in there and push code and make progress.
>>
>>
>>I will try and dust off the server this weekend and setup an environment and publish the code somewhere so we can get this going again.
>>
>>
>>Your welcome :)
>>
>>
>>
>>________________________________
>> From: Werner Keil <we...@gmail.com>
>>
>>To: "devicemap-dev@incubator.apache.org" <de...@incubator.apache.org>; Reza <re...@yahoo.com>
>>Sent: Friday, June 27, 2014 12:12 PM
>>
>>Subject: Re: DeviceMap Community - Incubator PMC/Board report
>>
>>
>>
>>I had the impression Gopal was proposing something like that web frontend to add/update device data, but maybe we misunderstood him?
>>
>>
>
>>We also haven't heard much from him lately here...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>On Fri, Jun 27, 2014 at 6:06 PM, Reza <re...@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>I will propose this, if I can get another java backend/frontend developer to commit to building the website, I will put the code into an svn/git and help build it in a more open fashion.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>________________________________
>>> From: Reza <re...@yahoo.com.INVALID>
>>>To: "devicemap-dev@incubator.apache.org" <de...@incubator.apache.org>
>>>Sent: Friday, June 27, 2014 12:00 PM
>>>
>>>Subject: Re: DeviceMap Community - Incubator PMC/Board report
>>>
>>>
>>>I can test the user agents and add them to the DDR. I can also maintain the the pattern matching apis (java).
>>>
>>>I was hoping someone could help out building said website. I frameworked out a barebone java project to build the website on. Just never go further than that... I know there was a few volenteers to do that. I just wanted an extra set of hands to build the website. I can definitely help out. I just dont want this to be a solo effort on my part.
>>>
>>>
>>>________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>From: Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>
>>>To: "devicemap-dev@incubator.apache.org" <de...@incubator.apache.org>; Reza <re...@yahoo.com>
>>>Sent: Friday, June 27, 2014 11:45 AM
>>>Subject: Re: DeviceMap Community - Incubator PMC/Board report
>>>
>>>
>>>Hi Reza,
>>>
>>>On Fri, Jun 27, 2014 at 5:40 PM, Reza <re...@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
>>>> 2) create a website which allows user agents to be tested and new devices to be submitted...
>>>
>>>Ok, I see, and yes that's what I was asking for.
>>>
>>>Who among our committers would be using such a website to actually
>>>test devices and submit missing ones?
>>>
>>>Who would be willing to look at incoming missing User-Agents to
>>>enhance DeviceMap's database?
>>>
>>>I'm asking so as to gauge interest and try to find out if the project
>>>becomes viable with that.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>-Bertrand
>>
>>
>>
Re: DeviceMap Community - Incubator PMC/Board report
Posted by Werner Keil <we...@gmail.com>.
Eclipse is fine with that, not sure, about Apache? There is a mirror on
GitHub, but it only contains "browser-map", a no longer very active project
AFAIK.
Maybe we could port some old or at least new stuff to Git, then it might be
mirrored there, too?
On Fri, Jun 27, 2014 at 7:30 PM, Reza <re...@yahoo.com.invalid>
wrote:
> Well, I was talking specifically about the website/portal for device map.
> I will put some hours into it and then hopefully that will help it grow
> some legs.
>
> Any reasons not to mirror all of this stuff over on github and have that
> be the main workspace?
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Werner Keil <we...@gmail.com>
> To: "devicemap-dev@incubator.apache.org" <
> devicemap-dev@incubator.apache.org>; Reza <re...@yahoo.com>
> Sent: Friday, June 27, 2014 1:25 PM
> Subject: Re: DeviceMap Community - Incubator PMC/Board report
>
>
>
> Similar to translations, the XML artifacts are not necessarily "code", but
> whatever we can do to attract more people. If you look at stats like those
> by Babel http://babel.eclipse.org/babel/recent.php not many of the total
> translators are committers.
>
> Werner
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 27, 2014 at 6:53 PM, Reza <re...@yahoo.com.invalid>
> wrote:
>
> Same, its probably better if this was developed in a more open way so
> multiple people can go in there and push code and make progress.
> >
> >
> >I will try and dust off the server this weekend and setup an environment
> and publish the code somewhere so we can get this going again.
> >
> >
> >Your welcome :)
> >
> >
> >
> >________________________________
> > From: Werner Keil <we...@gmail.com>
> >
> >To: "devicemap-dev@incubator.apache.org" <
> devicemap-dev@incubator.apache.org>; Reza <re...@yahoo.com>
> >Sent: Friday, June 27, 2014 12:12 PM
> >
> >Subject: Re: DeviceMap Community - Incubator PMC/Board report
> >
> >
> >
> >I had the impression Gopal was proposing something like that web frontend
> to add/update device data, but maybe we misunderstood him?
> >
> >
> >We also haven't heard much from him lately here...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >On Fri, Jun 27, 2014 at 6:06 PM, Reza <re...@yahoo.com.invalid>
> wrote:
> >
> >I will propose this, if I can get another java backend/frontend developer
> to commit to building the website, I will put the code into an svn/git and
> help build it in a more open fashion.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>________________________________
> >> From: Reza <re...@yahoo.com.INVALID>
> >>To: "devicemap-dev@incubator.apache.org" <
> devicemap-dev@incubator.apache.org>
> >>Sent: Friday, June 27, 2014 12:00 PM
> >>
> >>Subject: Re: DeviceMap Community - Incubator PMC/Board report
> >>
> >>
> >>I can test the user agents and add them to the DDR. I can also maintain
> the the pattern matching apis (java).
> >>
> >>I was hoping someone could help out building said website. I frameworked
> out a barebone java project to build the website on. Just never go further
> than that... I know there was a few volenteers to do that. I just wanted an
> extra set of hands to build the website. I can definitely help out. I just
> dont want this to be a solo effort on my part.
> >>
> >>
> >>________________________________
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>From: Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>
> >>To: "devicemap-dev@incubator.apache.org" <
> devicemap-dev@incubator.apache.org>; Reza <re...@yahoo.com>
> >>Sent: Friday, June 27, 2014 11:45 AM
> >>Subject: Re: DeviceMap Community - Incubator PMC/Board report
> >>
> >>
> >>Hi Reza,
> >>
> >>On Fri, Jun 27, 2014 at 5:40 PM, Reza <re...@yahoo.com.invalid>
> wrote:
> >>> 2) create a website which allows user agents to be tested and new
> devices to be submitted...
> >>
> >>Ok, I see, and yes that's what I was asking for.
> >>
> >>Who among our committers would be using such a website to actually
> >>test devices and submit missing ones?
> >>
> >>Who would be willing to look at incoming missing User-Agents to
> >>enhance DeviceMap's database?
> >>
> >>I'm asking so as to gauge interest and try to find out if the project
> >>becomes viable with that.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>-Bertrand
> >
> >
> >
>
Re: DeviceMap Community - Incubator PMC/Board report
Posted by Reza <re...@yahoo.com.INVALID>.
Well, I was talking specifically about the website/portal for device map. I will put some hours into it and then hopefully that will help it grow some legs.
Any reasons not to mirror all of this stuff over on github and have that be the main workspace?
________________________________
From: Werner Keil <we...@gmail.com>
To: "devicemap-dev@incubator.apache.org" <de...@incubator.apache.org>; Reza <re...@yahoo.com>
Sent: Friday, June 27, 2014 1:25 PM
Subject: Re: DeviceMap Community - Incubator PMC/Board report
Similar to translations, the XML artifacts are not necessarily "code", but whatever we can do to attract more people. If you look at stats like those by Babel http://babel.eclipse.org/babel/recent.php not many of the total translators are committers.
Werner
On Fri, Jun 27, 2014 at 6:53 PM, Reza <re...@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
Same, its probably better if this was developed in a more open way so multiple people can go in there and push code and make progress.
>
>
>I will try and dust off the server this weekend and setup an environment and publish the code somewhere so we can get this going again.
>
>
>Your welcome :)
>
>
>
>________________________________
> From: Werner Keil <we...@gmail.com>
>
>To: "devicemap-dev@incubator.apache.org" <de...@incubator.apache.org>; Reza <re...@yahoo.com>
>Sent: Friday, June 27, 2014 12:12 PM
>
>Subject: Re: DeviceMap Community - Incubator PMC/Board report
>
>
>
>I had the impression Gopal was proposing something like that web frontend to add/update device data, but maybe we misunderstood him?
>
>
>We also haven't heard much from him lately here...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>On Fri, Jun 27, 2014 at 6:06 PM, Reza <re...@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
>
>I will propose this, if I can get another java backend/frontend developer to commit to building the website, I will put the code into an svn/git and help build it in a more open fashion.
>>
>>
>>
>>________________________________
>> From: Reza <re...@yahoo.com.INVALID>
>>To: "devicemap-dev@incubator.apache.org" <de...@incubator.apache.org>
>>Sent: Friday, June 27, 2014 12:00 PM
>>
>>Subject: Re: DeviceMap Community - Incubator PMC/Board report
>>
>>
>>I can test the user agents and add them to the DDR. I can also maintain the the pattern matching apis (java).
>>
>>I was hoping someone could help out building said website. I frameworked out a barebone java project to build the website on. Just never go further than that... I know there was a few volenteers to do that. I just wanted an extra set of hands to build the website. I can definitely help out. I just dont want this to be a solo effort on my part.
>>
>>
>>________________________________
>>
>>
>>
>>From: Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>
>>To: "devicemap-dev@incubator.apache.org" <de...@incubator.apache.org>; Reza <re...@yahoo.com>
>>Sent: Friday, June 27, 2014 11:45 AM
>>Subject: Re: DeviceMap Community - Incubator PMC/Board report
>>
>>
>>Hi Reza,
>>
>>On Fri, Jun 27, 2014 at 5:40 PM, Reza <re...@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
>>> 2) create a website which allows user agents to be tested and new devices to be submitted...
>>
>>Ok, I see, and yes that's what I was asking for.
>>
>>Who among our committers would be using such a website to actually
>>test devices and submit missing ones?
>>
>>Who would be willing to look at incoming missing User-Agents to
>>enhance DeviceMap's database?
>>
>>I'm asking so as to gauge interest and try to find out if the project
>>becomes viable with that.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>-Bertrand
>
>
>
Re: DeviceMap Community - Incubator PMC/Board report
Posted by Werner Keil <we...@gmail.com>.
Similar to translations, the XML artifacts are not necessarily "code", but
whatever we can do to attract more people. If you look at stats like those
by Babel http://babel.eclipse.org/babel/recent.php not many of the total
translators are committers.
Werner
On Fri, Jun 27, 2014 at 6:53 PM, Reza <re...@yahoo.com.invalid>
wrote:
> Same, its probably better if this was developed in a more open way so
> multiple people can go in there and push code and make progress.
>
> I will try and dust off the server this weekend and setup an environment
> and publish the code somewhere so we can get this going again.
>
> Your welcome :)
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Werner Keil <we...@gmail.com>
>
> *To:* "devicemap-dev@incubator.apache.org" <
> devicemap-dev@incubator.apache.org>; Reza <re...@yahoo.com>
> *Sent:* Friday, June 27, 2014 12:12 PM
>
> *Subject:* Re: DeviceMap Community - Incubator PMC/Board report
>
> I had the impression Gopal was proposing something like that web frontend
> to add/update device data, but maybe we misunderstood him?
>
> We also haven't heard much from him lately here...
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 27, 2014 at 6:06 PM, Reza <re...@yahoo.com.invalid>
> wrote:
>
> I will propose this, if I can get another java backend/frontend developer
> to commit to building the website, I will put the code into an svn/git and
> help build it in a more open fashion.
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Reza <re...@yahoo.com.INVALID>
> To: "devicemap-dev@incubator.apache.org" <
> devicemap-dev@incubator.apache.org>
> Sent: Friday, June 27, 2014 12:00 PM
> Subject: Re: DeviceMap Community - Incubator PMC/Board report
>
>
> I can test the user agents and add them to the DDR. I can also maintain
> the the pattern matching apis (java).
>
> I was hoping someone could help out building said website. I frameworked
> out a barebone java project to build the website on. Just never go further
> than that... I know there was a few volenteers to do that. I just wanted an
> extra set of hands to build the website. I can definitely help out. I just
> dont want this to be a solo effort on my part.
>
>
> ________________________________
>
>
>
> From: Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>
> To: "devicemap-dev@incubator.apache.org" <
> devicemap-dev@incubator.apache.org>; Reza <re...@yahoo.com>
> Sent: Friday, June 27, 2014 11:45 AM
> Subject: Re: DeviceMap Community - Incubator PMC/Board report
>
>
> Hi Reza,
>
> On Fri, Jun 27, 2014 at 5:40 PM, Reza <re...@yahoo.com.invalid>
> wrote:
> > 2) create a website which allows user agents to be tested and new
> devices to be submitted...
>
> Ok, I see, and yes that's what I was asking for.
>
> Who among our committers would be using such a website to actually
> test devices and submit missing ones?
>
> Who would be willing to look at incoming missing User-Agents to
> enhance DeviceMap's database?
>
> I'm asking so as to gauge interest and try to find out if the project
> becomes viable with that.
>
>
>
>
> -Bertrand
>
>
>
>
>
Re: DeviceMap Community - Incubator PMC/Board report
Posted by Reza <re...@yahoo.com.INVALID>.
Same, its probably better if this was developed in a more open way so multiple people can go in there and push code and make progress.
I will try and dust off the server this weekend and setup an environment and publish the code somewhere so we can get this going again.
Your welcome :)
________________________________
From: Werner Keil <we...@gmail.com>
To: "devicemap-dev@incubator.apache.org" <de...@incubator.apache.org>; Reza <re...@yahoo.com>
Sent: Friday, June 27, 2014 12:12 PM
Subject: Re: DeviceMap Community - Incubator PMC/Board report
I had the impression Gopal was proposing something like that web frontend to add/update device data, but maybe we misunderstood him?
We also haven't heard much from him lately here...
On Fri, Jun 27, 2014 at 6:06 PM, Reza <re...@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
I will propose this, if I can get another java backend/frontend developer to commit to building the website, I will put the code into an svn/git and help build it in a more open fashion.
>
>
>
>________________________________
> From: Reza <re...@yahoo.com.INVALID>
>To: "devicemap-dev@incubator.apache.org" <de...@incubator.apache.org>
>Sent: Friday, June 27, 2014 12:00 PM
>
>Subject: Re: DeviceMap Community - Incubator PMC/Board report
>
>
>I can test the user agents and add them to the DDR. I can also maintain the the pattern matching apis (java).
>
>I was hoping someone could help out building said website. I frameworked out a barebone java project to build the website on. Just never go further than that... I know there was a few volenteers to do that. I just wanted an extra set of hands to build the website. I can definitely help out. I just dont want this to be a solo effort on my part.
>
>
>________________________________
>
>
>
>From: Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>
>To: "devicemap-dev@incubator.apache.org" <de...@incubator.apache.org>; Reza <re...@yahoo.com>
>Sent: Friday, June 27, 2014 11:45 AM
>Subject: Re: DeviceMap Community - Incubator PMC/Board report
>
>
>Hi Reza,
>
>On Fri, Jun 27, 2014 at 5:40 PM, Reza <re...@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
>> 2) create a website which allows user agents to be tested and new devices to be submitted...
>
>Ok, I see, and yes that's what I was asking for.
>
>Who among our committers would be using such a website to actually
>test devices and submit missing ones?
>
>Who would be willing to look at incoming missing User-Agents to
>enhance DeviceMap's database?
>
>I'm asking so as to gauge interest and try to find out if the project
>becomes viable with that.
>
>
>
>
>-Bertrand
Re: DeviceMap Community - Incubator PMC/Board report
Posted by Werner Keil <we...@gmail.com>.
I had the impression Gopal was proposing something like that web frontend
to add/update device data, but maybe we misunderstood him?[?]
We also haven't heard much from him lately here...
On Fri, Jun 27, 2014 at 6:06 PM, Reza <re...@yahoo.com.invalid>
wrote:
> I will propose this, if I can get another java backend/frontend developer
> to commit to building the website, I will put the code into an svn/git and
> help build it in a more open fashion.
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Reza <re...@yahoo.com.INVALID>
> To: "devicemap-dev@incubator.apache.org" <
> devicemap-dev@incubator.apache.org>
> Sent: Friday, June 27, 2014 12:00 PM
> Subject: Re: DeviceMap Community - Incubator PMC/Board report
>
>
> I can test the user agents and add them to the DDR. I can also maintain
> the the pattern matching apis (java).
>
> I was hoping someone could help out building said website. I frameworked
> out a barebone java project to build the website on. Just never go further
> than that... I know there was a few volenteers to do that. I just wanted an
> extra set of hands to build the website. I can definitely help out. I just
> dont want this to be a solo effort on my part.
>
>
> ________________________________
>
>
>
> From: Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>
> To: "devicemap-dev@incubator.apache.org" <
> devicemap-dev@incubator.apache.org>; Reza <re...@yahoo.com>
> Sent: Friday, June 27, 2014 11:45 AM
> Subject: Re: DeviceMap Community - Incubator PMC/Board report
>
>
> Hi Reza,
>
> On Fri, Jun 27, 2014 at 5:40 PM, Reza <re...@yahoo.com.invalid>
> wrote:
> > 2) create a website which allows user agents to be tested and new
> devices to be submitted...
>
> Ok, I see, and yes that's what I was asking for.
>
> Who among our committers would be using such a website to actually
> test devices and submit missing ones?
>
> Who would be willing to look at incoming missing User-Agents to
> enhance DeviceMap's database?
>
> I'm asking so as to gauge interest and try to find out if the project
> becomes viable with that.
>
>
>
>
> -Bertrand
>
Re: DeviceMap Community - Incubator PMC/Board report
Posted by Reza <re...@yahoo.com.INVALID>.
I will propose this, if I can get another java backend/frontend developer to commit to building the website, I will put the code into an svn/git and help build it in a more open fashion.
________________________________
From: Reza <re...@yahoo.com.INVALID>
To: "devicemap-dev@incubator.apache.org" <de...@incubator.apache.org>
Sent: Friday, June 27, 2014 12:00 PM
Subject: Re: DeviceMap Community - Incubator PMC/Board report
I can test the user agents and add them to the DDR. I can also maintain the the pattern matching apis (java).
I was hoping someone could help out building said website. I frameworked out a barebone java project to build the website on. Just never go further than that... I know there was a few volenteers to do that. I just wanted an extra set of hands to build the website. I can definitely help out. I just dont want this to be a solo effort on my part.
________________________________
From: Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>
To: "devicemap-dev@incubator.apache.org" <de...@incubator.apache.org>; Reza <re...@yahoo.com>
Sent: Friday, June 27, 2014 11:45 AM
Subject: Re: DeviceMap Community - Incubator PMC/Board report
Hi Reza,
On Fri, Jun 27, 2014 at 5:40 PM, Reza <re...@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
> 2) create a website which allows user agents to be tested and new devices to be submitted...
Ok, I see, and yes that's what I was asking for.
Who among our committers would be using such a website to actually
test devices and submit missing ones?
Who would be willing to look at incoming missing User-Agents to
enhance DeviceMap's database?
I'm asking so as to gauge interest and try to find out if the project
becomes viable with that.
-Bertrand
Re: DeviceMap Community - Incubator PMC/Board report
Posted by Reza <re...@yahoo.com.INVALID>.
I can test the user agents and add them to the DDR. I can also maintain the the pattern matching apis (java).
I was hoping someone could help out building said website. I frameworked out a barebone java project to build the website on. Just never go further than that... I know there was a few volenteers to do that. I just wanted an extra set of hands to build the website. I can definitely help out. I just dont want this to be a solo effort on my part.
________________________________
From: Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>
To: "devicemap-dev@incubator.apache.org" <de...@incubator.apache.org>; Reza <re...@yahoo.com>
Sent: Friday, June 27, 2014 11:45 AM
Subject: Re: DeviceMap Community - Incubator PMC/Board report
Hi Reza,
On Fri, Jun 27, 2014 at 5:40 PM, Reza <re...@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
> 2) create a website which allows user agents to be tested and new devices to be submitted...
Ok, I see, and yes that's what I was asking for.
Who among our committers would be using such a website to actually
test devices and submit missing ones?
Who would be willing to look at incoming missing User-Agents to
enhance DeviceMap's database?
I'm asking so as to gauge interest and try to find out if the project
becomes viable with that.
-Bertrand
Re: DeviceMap Community - Incubator PMC/Board report
Posted by Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>.
Hi Reza,
On Fri, Jun 27, 2014 at 5:40 PM, Reza <re...@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
> 2) create a website which allows user agents to be tested and new devices to be submitted...
Ok, I see, and yes that's what I was asking for.
Who among our committers would be using such a website to actually
test devices and submit missing ones?
Who would be willing to look at incoming missing User-Agents to
enhance DeviceMap's database?
I'm asking so as to gauge interest and try to find out if the project
becomes viable with that.
-Bertrand
Re: DeviceMap Community - Incubator PMC/Board report
Posted by Reza <re...@yahoo.com.INVALID>.
Well, it would be 1 of 2 ways:
1) a developer or contributor keeps the data up to date privately. This is similar to how openddr is working today. The problem with this approach is that it can easily fail if said developer does follow thru. Also, said developer has to have great visibility into the device space to be able to stay on top of new devices that enter the market.
2) create a website which allows user agents to be tested and new devices to be submitted. So the scenario is that we release the device data and api and a user finds a new device which does work. They goto the website and enter in the user-agent and the website confirms the device does not match or the match is invalid. The user then submits the user-agent into a queue where a developer then looks at the user-agent and adds a new pattern (or fixes an existing pattern) to make the device match properly. If its a new device, the device attributes are added in as well. This new pattern and device are picked up in the next release.
Is this what you were asking for?
________________________________
From: Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>
To: "devicemap-dev@incubator.apache.org" <de...@incubator.apache.org>
Cc: Reza <re...@yahoo.com>
Sent: Friday, June 27, 2014 11:27 AM
Subject: Re: DeviceMap Community - Incubator PMC/Board report
Hi,
On Fri, Jun 27, 2014 at 4:56 PM, Werner Keil <we...@gmail.com> wrote:
> ...there has never been the vitality we'd hope if there was finally an infrastructure here...
IIUC you mean that DeviceMap would be much more active if people could
easily submit device data.
If that's correct, how do you see this? What's the simplest setup that
allows that to happen?
-Bertrand
Re: DeviceMap Community - Incubator PMC/Board report
Posted by Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>.
Hi,
On Fri, Jun 27, 2014 at 4:56 PM, Werner Keil <we...@gmail.com> wrote:
> ...there has never been the vitality we'd hope if there was finally an infrastructure here...
IIUC you mean that DeviceMap would be much more active if people could
easily submit device data.
If that's correct, how do you see this? What's the simplest setup that
allows that to happen?
-Bertrand
Re: DeviceMap Community - Incubator PMC/Board report
Posted by Reza <re...@yahoo.com.INVALID>.
>> I expect to meet people interested in DeviceMap this weekend at the MeetUp...
Yes, that sounds like a great idea :)
Keep us posted.
________________________________
From: Werner Keil <we...@gmail.com>
To: "devicemap-dev@incubator.apache.org" <de...@incubator.apache.org>; Reza <re...@yahoo.com>
Sent: Friday, June 27, 2014 10:56 AM
Subject: Re: DeviceMap Community - Incubator PMC/Board report
At least contributions are fewer this year. I would not say it's dead, but there has never been the vitality we'd hope if there was finally an infrastructure here
Loking at WURFL that is completely dead. The last version of even its API (visible on MavenCentral) was
net.sourceforge.wurfl wurfl 1.3.1.1 all (12) 24-Aug-2011
I expect to meet people interested in DeviceMap this weekend at the MeetUp...
Werner
On Fri, Jun 27, 2014 at 4:45 PM, Reza <re...@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
is ODDR dead? If it is, thats a large setback for this project (and their users)...
>
>This is why I have been pushing for this project to collect and maintain its own device data set. The data core to this effort. I wish I could devote more time to building the infrastructure for this... but I dont have the bandwidth at the moment. I can definitely help, but I cannot lead on this aspect.
>
>
>
>________________________________
> From: Werner Keil <we...@gmail.com>
>To: "devicemap-dev@incubator.apache.org" <de...@incubator.apache.org>; Reza <re...@yahoo.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2014 11:04 AM
>
>Subject: Re: DeviceMap Community - Incubator PMC/Board report
>
>
>Not quite monthly any more. I don't think there was a real big change, but
>after I did the last merge there was one new ODDR update.
>
>
>
>
>
>On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 4:36 PM, Reza <re...@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
>
>> Do we have new device data? These updates are supposed to come monthly...
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: Werner Keil <we...@gmail.com>
>> To: "devicemap-dev@incubator.apache.org" <
>> devicemap-dev@incubator.apache.org>
>> Cc: Gopal Kris <ma...@gmail.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2014 10:33 AM
>> Subject: Re: DeviceMap Community - Incubator PMC/Board report
>>
>>
>> Gopal/all,
>>
>> This is the June report for DeviceMap. We skipped a month or two before
>> that, ideally we'd like to contribute to the next report, but the question
>> is, can we say anything substantial about the Device Data Service prototype
>> you said you have in the pipeline yet?
>>
>> I'll talk about DeviceMap this weekend (Sun) at a Web Developer MeetUp.
>> That was already mentioned, but if attendees or the organizer of this
>> meeting have clear intentions to contribute based on their dealing with the
>> project I'd add this before July 1 or 2. Nothing new from me other than
>> that.
>>
>> --------------------DeviceMapApache DeviceMap is a data repository
>> containing device information, imagesand other relevant information
>> for all sorts of mobile devices, e.g.smartphones and tablets. While
>> the focus is initially on that data, APIswill also be created to use
>> and manage it.DeviceMap has been incubating since 2012-01-03.Three
>> most important issues to address in the move towards graduation: 1.
>> Grow community. 2. Generate a release. 3. Explore options to allow
>> contributions through a Web based interface/API to add new device
>> specs. 4. Improved support for additional languages/platform (.NET,
>> PHP,...)Any issues that the Incubator PMC (IPMC) or ASF Board
>> wish/need to beaware of? (None)How has the community developed since
>> the last report? Tangentially, there have been presentations at
>> conferences like JavaLand raised awareness. A Mobile Development
>> MeetUp group in Germany is looking into the code, and where they
>> might contribute.How has the project developed since the last report?
>> Syncing device data with OpenDDR in regular intervals when relevant
>> changes occur. Update of the Java DDR Simple API and other
>> libraries.Date of last release: N/AWhen were the last committers or
>> PMC members elected? N/A
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Werner
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 6:20 AM, Gopal Kris <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Web based interface to verify and add new device specs is what iam
>> working
>> > on.
>> >
>> > Sent from my iPhone
>> >
>> > > On 02-Jun-2014, at 10:40 pm, Werner Keil <we...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Spreading the word (as one of the few at the moment) is the best thing
>> > to do at the moment.
>> > > If contribution via a solid Web Service or Web Based interface can't be
>> > established here for DeviceMap, then I'm afraid, it's likely t fail.
>> > > And for that there's always a fall-back option to OpenDDR
>> > >
>> > > See attempts by Stephen Colebourne to create "Apache Commons Money"
>> > which failed quite miserably. So did his follow-up "JodaMoney", but he at
>> > least occasionally helped a bit with a new Java Standard in this area,
>> > JavaMoney.org (JSR 354). Sometimes it takes time and also exploring
>> > multiple options. Let's see which one is right here
>> > >
>> > > Werner
>> > >
>> > >> On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 6:58 PM, Kevan Miller <ke...@gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> > >> Thanks for the info.
>> > >>
>> > >> There may be lots of technical reasons justifying DeviceMap as
>> project.
>> > >> From an ASF perspective, these are secondary. Primarily, the ASF will
>> > need
>> > >> to see a viable DeviceMap *community*.
>> > >>
>> > >> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html is worth reading
>> > from
>> > >> time to time. And measuring where we think we are in meeting these
>> > criteria.
>> > >>
>> > >> --kevan
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 3:35 AM, Werner Keil <we...@gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >> > I'd say these are only 2 very good arguments for the existence (and
>> > >> > eventual graduation) of DeviceMap:
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> >
>> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/samsung/10869294/Samsung-launches-first-open-source-Tizen-smartphone.html?bcsi-ac-95bb4efa6a1646c8=229BB80200000503pehAqDaU4KXwMGaXAhZZ60bGqOWhAAAAAwUAADJVUQAIBwAAIQAAAON6AwA=
>> > >> > and
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> >
>> http://dashburst.com/mobile-devices-insanely-large-screens/?utm_content=bufferfa4e6&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer
>> > >> >
>> > >> > Werner
>> > >> >
>> > >> > On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 2:08 AM, eberhard speer jr. <
>> seshat@ducis.net
>> > >
>> > >> > wrote:
>> > >> >
>> > >> > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>> > >> > > Hash: SHA1
>> > >> > >
>> > >> > > Hi,
>> > >> > >
>> > >> > > my 2 cents regarding growing the community :
>> > >> > >
>> > >> > > In short :
>> > >> > >
>> > >> > > This community is small and we see it getting smaller.
>> > >> > > There some very good reasons for this (see below).
>> > >> > > This will by it's nature always be a rather small specialized
>> > community.
>> > >> > > But the ability to identify a user-agent/device will remain a
>> > >> > > fundamental thing.
>> > >> > >
>> > >> > > Bit Longer :
>> > >> > >
>> > >> > > 1) The 'Frameworks' always had the edge : much closer to the
>> > >> > > web-developer. DDR is HTTP-headers, back-end-y, further...far away
>> > >> > > stuff and never really reached them.
>> > >> > >
>> > >> > > 2) "Device" is shifting. What is currently understood as a
>> "device",
>> > >> > > the smart-and not so-smart phones, tables, pads, phablets,... are
>> > >> > > becoming more generic. Instead of long lists of esoteric
>> properties,
>> > >> > > it's basically back to : OS/browser/rendering-engine.
>> > >> > > DDR was 'sexy' because 'mobile' was 'device'.
>> > >> > >
>> > >> > > 3) HTML5 : following what goes on on the WhatWg list and 'out
>> there'
>> > >> > > you see it becoming easier and easier to 'do mobile' -- the sexy
>> > >> > > stuff, no frameworks etc.
>> > >> > >
>> > >> > > *But* the need for other uses stays [traffic analyses] and much
>> more
>> > >> > > importantly : 'device' will shift : "the Internet of
>> > Things"...sounds
>> > >> > > very much like "devices" to me.
>> > >> > >
>> > >> > > Maybe the community should congratulate 'mobile' as it graduates
>> > from
>> > >> > > 'device', and be ready to welcome in the next 'devices'.
>> > >> > >
>> > >> > >
>> > >> > > esjr
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>>
Re: DeviceMap Community - Incubator PMC/Board report
Posted by Werner Keil <we...@gmail.com>.
At least contributions are fewer this year. I would not say it's dead, but
there has never been the vitality we'd hope if there was finally an
infrastructure here[?]
Loking at WURFL that is completely dead. The last version of even its API
(visible on MavenCentral) was
net.sourceforge.wurfl
<http://search.maven.org/#search%7Cga%7C1%7Cg%3A%22net.sourceforge.wurfl%22>
wurfl <http://search.maven.org/#search%7Cga%7C1%7Ca%3A%22wurfl%22>1.3.1.1
<http://search.maven.org/#artifactdetails%7Cnet.sourceforge.wurfl%7Cwurfl%7C1.3.1.1%7Cjar>
all (12)
<http://search.maven.org/#search%7Cgav%7C1%7Cg%3A%22net.sourceforge.wurfl%22%20AND%20a%3A%22wurfl%22>
24-Aug-*2011*
I expect to meet people interested in DeviceMap this weekend at the
MeetUp...
Werner
On Fri, Jun 27, 2014 at 4:45 PM, Reza <re...@yahoo.com.invalid>
wrote:
> is ODDR dead? If it is, thats a large setback for this project (and their
> users)...
>
> This is why I have been pushing for this project to collect and maintain
> its own device data set. The data core to this effort. I wish I could
> devote more time to building the infrastructure for this... but I dont have
> the bandwidth at the moment. I can definitely help, but I cannot lead on
> this aspect.
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Werner Keil <we...@gmail.com>
> To: "devicemap-dev@incubator.apache.org" <
> devicemap-dev@incubator.apache.org>; Reza <re...@yahoo.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2014 11:04 AM
> Subject: Re: DeviceMap Community - Incubator PMC/Board report
>
>
> Not quite monthly any more. I don't think there was a real big change, but
> after I did the last merge there was one new ODDR update.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 4:36 PM, Reza <re...@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
>
> > Do we have new device data? These updates are supposed to come monthly...
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Werner Keil <we...@gmail.com>
> > To: "devicemap-dev@incubator.apache.org" <
> > devicemap-dev@incubator.apache.org>
> > Cc: Gopal Kris <ma...@gmail.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2014 10:33 AM
> > Subject: Re: DeviceMap Community - Incubator PMC/Board report
> >
> >
> > Gopal/all,
> >
> > This is the June report for DeviceMap. We skipped a month or two before
> > that, ideally we'd like to contribute to the next report, but the
> question
> > is, can we say anything substantial about the Device Data Service
> prototype
> > you said you have in the pipeline yet?
> >
> > I'll talk about DeviceMap this weekend (Sun) at a Web Developer MeetUp.
> > That was already mentioned, but if attendees or the organizer of this
> > meeting have clear intentions to contribute based on their dealing with
> the
> > project I'd add this before July 1 or 2. Nothing new from me other than
> > that.
> >
> > --------------------DeviceMapApache DeviceMap is a data repository
> > containing device information, imagesand other relevant information
> > for all sorts of mobile devices, e.g.smartphones and tablets. While
> > the focus is initially on that data, APIswill also be created to use
> > and manage it.DeviceMap has been incubating since 2012-01-03.Three
> > most important issues to address in the move towards graduation: 1.
> > Grow community. 2. Generate a release. 3. Explore options to allow
> > contributions through a Web based interface/API to add new device
> > specs. 4. Improved support for additional languages/platform (.NET,
> > PHP,...)Any issues that the Incubator PMC (IPMC) or ASF Board
> > wish/need to beaware of? (None)How has the community developed since
> > the last report? Tangentially, there have been presentations at
> > conferences like JavaLand raised awareness. A Mobile Development
> > MeetUp group in Germany is looking into the code, and where they
> > might contribute.How has the project developed since the last report?
> > Syncing device data with OpenDDR in regular intervals when relevant
> > changes occur. Update of the Java DDR Simple API and other
> > libraries.Date of last release: N/AWhen were the last committers or
> > PMC members elected? N/A
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Werner
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 6:20 AM, Gopal Kris <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Web based interface to verify and add new device specs is what iam
> > working
> > > on.
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > > > On 02-Jun-2014, at 10:40 pm, Werner Keil <we...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Spreading the word (as one of the few at the moment) is the best
> thing
> > > to do at the moment.
> > > > If contribution via a solid Web Service or Web Based interface can't
> be
> > > established here for DeviceMap, then I'm afraid, it's likely t fail.
> > > > And for that there's always a fall-back option to OpenDDR
> > > >
> > > > See attempts by Stephen Colebourne to create "Apache Commons Money"
> > > which failed quite miserably. So did his follow-up "JodaMoney", but he
> at
> > > least occasionally helped a bit with a new Java Standard in this area,
> > > JavaMoney.org (JSR 354). Sometimes it takes time and also exploring
> > > multiple options. Let's see which one is right here
> > > >
> > > > Werner
> > > >
> > > >> On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 6:58 PM, Kevan Miller <
> kevan.miller@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > >> Thanks for the info.
> > > >>
> > > >> There may be lots of technical reasons justifying DeviceMap as
> > project.
> > > >> From an ASF perspective, these are secondary. Primarily, the ASF
> will
> > > need
> > > >> to see a viable DeviceMap *community*.
> > > >>
> > > >> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html is worth reading
> > > from
> > > >> time to time. And measuring where we think we are in meeting these
> > > criteria.
> > > >>
> > > >> --kevan
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 3:35 AM, Werner Keil <we...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> > I'd say these are only 2 very good arguments for the existence
> (and
> > > >> > eventual graduation) of DeviceMap:
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > >
> >
> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/samsung/10869294/Samsung-launches-first-open-source-Tizen-smartphone.html?bcsi-ac-95bb4efa6a1646c8=229BB80200000503pehAqDaU4KXwMGaXAhZZ60bGqOWhAAAAAwUAADJVUQAIBwAAIQAAAON6AwA=
> > > >> > and
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > >
> >
> http://dashburst.com/mobile-devices-insanely-large-screens/?utm_content=bufferfa4e6&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Werner
> > > >> >
> > > >> > On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 2:08 AM, eberhard speer jr. <
> > seshat@ducis.net
> > > >
> > > >> > wrote:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> > > >> > > Hash: SHA1
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > Hi,
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > my 2 cents regarding growing the community :
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > In short :
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > This community is small and we see it getting smaller.
> > > >> > > There some very good reasons for this (see below).
> > > >> > > This will by it's nature always be a rather small specialized
> > > community.
> > > >> > > But the ability to identify a user-agent/device will remain a
> > > >> > > fundamental thing.
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > Bit Longer :
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > 1) The 'Frameworks' always had the edge : much closer to the
> > > >> > > web-developer. DDR is HTTP-headers, back-end-y, further...far
> away
> > > >> > > stuff and never really reached them.
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > 2) "Device" is shifting. What is currently understood as a
> > "device",
> > > >> > > the smart-and not so-smart phones, tables, pads, phablets,...
> are
> > > >> > > becoming more generic. Instead of long lists of esoteric
> > properties,
> > > >> > > it's basically back to : OS/browser/rendering-engine.
> > > >> > > DDR was 'sexy' because 'mobile' was 'device'.
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > 3) HTML5 : following what goes on on the WhatWg list and 'out
> > there'
> > > >> > > you see it becoming easier and easier to 'do mobile' -- the sexy
> > > >> > > stuff, no frameworks etc.
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > *But* the need for other uses stays [traffic analyses] and much
> > more
> > > >> > > importantly : 'device' will shift : "the Internet of
> > > Things"...sounds
> > > >> > > very much like "devices" to me.
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > Maybe the community should congratulate 'mobile' as it graduates
> > > from
> > > >> > > 'device', and be ready to welcome in the next 'devices'.
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > esjr
> > > >> > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
> > > >> > > Version: GnuPG v1.4.8 (MingW32)
> > > >> > > Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird -
> http://www.enigmail.net/
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJThnqJAAoJEOxywXcFLKYcRlkH/irsBE8rnMWdu2Lfqrh31IDx
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> > > >> > > //hmfmCuQT2TueOouN/Hk+RCiV3WuFW0JJ0l+MmBlMX9YgHp5Q2IxtuWegVae/Bn
> > > >> > > 1jF0zKewHAgrk90K5zH6gS4S1wS1h8QFTRcfHgxhUPEkMVg+c8X8aTS9QkYFNVmY
> > > >> > > VX4PC4UshrsStHVOve9lbic948qTLxBbIw5PPOapl55BXJJ/lLvfcs3ODHulLW0=
> > > >> > > =qjoV
> > > >> > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
> > > >> > >
> > > >> >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
Re: DeviceMap Community - Incubator PMC/Board report
Posted by Reza <re...@yahoo.com.INVALID>.
is ODDR dead? If it is, thats a large setback for this project (and their users)...
This is why I have been pushing for this project to collect and maintain its own device data set. The data core to this effort. I wish I could devote more time to building the infrastructure for this... but I dont have the bandwidth at the moment. I can definitely help, but I cannot lead on this aspect.
________________________________
From: Werner Keil <we...@gmail.com>
To: "devicemap-dev@incubator.apache.org" <de...@incubator.apache.org>; Reza <re...@yahoo.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2014 11:04 AM
Subject: Re: DeviceMap Community - Incubator PMC/Board report
Not quite monthly any more. I don't think there was a real big change, but
after I did the last merge there was one new ODDR update.
On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 4:36 PM, Reza <re...@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
> Do we have new device data? These updates are supposed to come monthly...
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Werner Keil <we...@gmail.com>
> To: "devicemap-dev@incubator.apache.org" <
> devicemap-dev@incubator.apache.org>
> Cc: Gopal Kris <ma...@gmail.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2014 10:33 AM
> Subject: Re: DeviceMap Community - Incubator PMC/Board report
>
>
> Gopal/all,
>
> This is the June report for DeviceMap. We skipped a month or two before
> that, ideally we'd like to contribute to the next report, but the question
> is, can we say anything substantial about the Device Data Service prototype
> you said you have in the pipeline yet?
>
> I'll talk about DeviceMap this weekend (Sun) at a Web Developer MeetUp.
> That was already mentioned, but if attendees or the organizer of this
> meeting have clear intentions to contribute based on their dealing with the
> project I'd add this before July 1 or 2. Nothing new from me other than
> that.
>
> --------------------DeviceMapApache DeviceMap is a data repository
> containing device information, imagesand other relevant information
> for all sorts of mobile devices, e.g.smartphones and tablets. While
> the focus is initially on that data, APIswill also be created to use
> and manage it.DeviceMap has been incubating since 2012-01-03.Three
> most important issues to address in the move towards graduation: 1.
> Grow community. 2. Generate a release. 3. Explore options to allow
> contributions through a Web based interface/API to add new device
> specs. 4. Improved support for additional languages/platform (.NET,
> PHP,...)Any issues that the Incubator PMC (IPMC) or ASF Board
> wish/need to beaware of? (None)How has the community developed since
> the last report? Tangentially, there have been presentations at
> conferences like JavaLand raised awareness. A Mobile Development
> MeetUp group in Germany is looking into the code, and where they
> might contribute.How has the project developed since the last report?
> Syncing device data with OpenDDR in regular intervals when relevant
> changes occur. Update of the Java DDR Simple API and other
> libraries.Date of last release: N/AWhen were the last committers or
> PMC members elected? N/A
>
> Cheers,
> Werner
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 6:20 AM, Gopal Kris <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Web based interface to verify and add new device specs is what iam
> working
> > on.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On 02-Jun-2014, at 10:40 pm, Werner Keil <we...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > Spreading the word (as one of the few at the moment) is the best thing
> > to do at the moment.
> > > If contribution via a solid Web Service or Web Based interface can't be
> > established here for DeviceMap, then I'm afraid, it's likely t fail.
> > > And for that there's always a fall-back option to OpenDDR
> > >
> > > See attempts by Stephen Colebourne to create "Apache Commons Money"
> > which failed quite miserably. So did his follow-up "JodaMoney", but he at
> > least occasionally helped a bit with a new Java Standard in this area,
> > JavaMoney.org (JSR 354). Sometimes it takes time and also exploring
> > multiple options. Let's see which one is right here
> > >
> > > Werner
> > >
> > >> On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 6:58 PM, Kevan Miller <ke...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >> Thanks for the info.
> > >>
> > >> There may be lots of technical reasons justifying DeviceMap as
> project.
> > >> From an ASF perspective, these are secondary. Primarily, the ASF will
> > need
> > >> to see a viable DeviceMap *community*.
> > >>
> > >> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html is worth reading
> > from
> > >> time to time. And measuring where we think we are in meeting these
> > criteria.
> > >>
> > >> --kevan
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 3:35 AM, Werner Keil <we...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > I'd say these are only 2 very good arguments for the existence (and
> > >> > eventual graduation) of DeviceMap:
> > >> >
> > >> >
> >
> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/samsung/10869294/Samsung-launches-first-open-source-Tizen-smartphone.html?bcsi-ac-95bb4efa6a1646c8=229BB80200000503pehAqDaU4KXwMGaXAhZZ60bGqOWhAAAAAwUAADJVUQAIBwAAIQAAAON6AwA=
> > >> > and
> > >> >
> > >> >
> >
> http://dashburst.com/mobile-devices-insanely-large-screens/?utm_content=bufferfa4e6&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer
> > >> >
> > >> > Werner
> > >> >
> > >> > On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 2:08 AM, eberhard speer jr. <
> seshat@ducis.net
> > >
> > >> > wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> > >> > > Hash: SHA1
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Hi,
> > >> > >
> > >> > > my 2 cents regarding growing the community :
> > >> > >
> > >> > > In short :
> > >> > >
> > >> > > This community is small and we see it getting smaller.
> > >> > > There some very good reasons for this (see below).
> > >> > > This will by it's nature always be a rather small specialized
> > community.
> > >> > > But the ability to identify a user-agent/device will remain a
> > >> > > fundamental thing.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Bit Longer :
> > >> > >
> > >> > > 1) The 'Frameworks' always had the edge : much closer to the
> > >> > > web-developer. DDR is HTTP-headers, back-end-y, further...far away
> > >> > > stuff and never really reached them.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > 2) "Device" is shifting. What is currently understood as a
> "device",
> > >> > > the smart-and not so-smart phones, tables, pads, phablets,... are
> > >> > > becoming more generic. Instead of long lists of esoteric
> properties,
> > >> > > it's basically back to : OS/browser/rendering-engine.
> > >> > > DDR was 'sexy' because 'mobile' was 'device'.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > 3) HTML5 : following what goes on on the WhatWg list and 'out
> there'
> > >> > > you see it becoming easier and easier to 'do mobile' -- the sexy
> > >> > > stuff, no frameworks etc.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > *But* the need for other uses stays [traffic analyses] and much
> more
> > >> > > importantly : 'device' will shift : "the Internet of
> > Things"...sounds
> > >> > > very much like "devices" to me.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Maybe the community should congratulate 'mobile' as it graduates
> > from
> > >> > > 'device', and be ready to welcome in the next 'devices'.
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > esjr
> > >> > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
> > >> > > Version: GnuPG v1.4.8 (MingW32)
> > >> > > Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/
> > >> > >
> > >> > > iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJThnqJAAoJEOxywXcFLKYcRlkH/irsBE8rnMWdu2Lfqrh31IDx
> > >> > > WH7xSTdUf6i3ZJeimcig7MaLQy1G/3FR/QrmSjjwNCGo73Gq5sss6YnRLuDxwB3m
> > >> > > ZMphxb3EAV2SUsT037fnSiM+I6BFC86nWs78S6FTD9etySlT2TCjW9OUp3wwXcIB
> > >> > > //hmfmCuQT2TueOouN/Hk+RCiV3WuFW0JJ0l+MmBlMX9YgHp5Q2IxtuWegVae/Bn
> > >> > > 1jF0zKewHAgrk90K5zH6gS4S1wS1h8QFTRcfHgxhUPEkMVg+c8X8aTS9QkYFNVmY
> > >> > > VX4PC4UshrsStHVOve9lbic948qTLxBbIw5PPOapl55BXJJ/lLvfcs3ODHulLW0=
> > >> > > =qjoV
> > >> > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
> > >> > >
> > >> >
> > >
> >
>
Re: DeviceMap Community - Incubator PMC/Board report
Posted by Werner Keil <we...@gmail.com>.
Not quite monthly any more. I don't think there was a real big change, but
after I did the last merge there was one new ODDR update.
On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 4:36 PM, Reza <re...@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
> Do we have new device data? These updates are supposed to come monthly...
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Werner Keil <we...@gmail.com>
> To: "devicemap-dev@incubator.apache.org" <
> devicemap-dev@incubator.apache.org>
> Cc: Gopal Kris <ma...@gmail.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2014 10:33 AM
> Subject: Re: DeviceMap Community - Incubator PMC/Board report
>
>
> Gopal/all,
>
> This is the June report for DeviceMap. We skipped a month or two before
> that, ideally we'd like to contribute to the next report, but the question
> is, can we say anything substantial about the Device Data Service prototype
> you said you have in the pipeline yet?
>
> I'll talk about DeviceMap this weekend (Sun) at a Web Developer MeetUp.
> That was already mentioned, but if attendees or the organizer of this
> meeting have clear intentions to contribute based on their dealing with the
> project I'd add this before July 1 or 2. Nothing new from me other than
> that.
>
> --------------------DeviceMapApache DeviceMap is a data repository
> containing device information, imagesand other relevant information
> for all sorts of mobile devices, e.g.smartphones and tablets. While
> the focus is initially on that data, APIswill also be created to use
> and manage it.DeviceMap has been incubating since 2012-01-03.Three
> most important issues to address in the move towards graduation: 1.
> Grow community. 2. Generate a release. 3. Explore options to allow
> contributions through a Web based interface/API to add new device
> specs. 4. Improved support for additional languages/platform (.NET,
> PHP,...)Any issues that the Incubator PMC (IPMC) or ASF Board
> wish/need to beaware of? (None)How has the community developed since
> the last report? Tangentially, there have been presentations at
> conferences like JavaLand raised awareness. A Mobile Development
> MeetUp group in Germany is looking into the code, and where they
> might contribute.How has the project developed since the last report?
> Syncing device data with OpenDDR in regular intervals when relevant
> changes occur. Update of the Java DDR Simple API and other
> libraries.Date of last release: N/AWhen were the last committers or
> PMC members elected? N/A
>
> Cheers,
> Werner
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 6:20 AM, Gopal Kris <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Web based interface to verify and add new device specs is what iam
> working
> > on.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On 02-Jun-2014, at 10:40 pm, Werner Keil <we...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > Spreading the word (as one of the few at the moment) is the best thing
> > to do at the moment.
> > > If contribution via a solid Web Service or Web Based interface can't be
> > established here for DeviceMap, then I'm afraid, it's likely t fail.
> > > And for that there's always a fall-back option to OpenDDR
> > >
> > > See attempts by Stephen Colebourne to create "Apache Commons Money"
> > which failed quite miserably. So did his follow-up "JodaMoney", but he at
> > least occasionally helped a bit with a new Java Standard in this area,
> > JavaMoney.org (JSR 354). Sometimes it takes time and also exploring
> > multiple options. Let's see which one is right here
> > >
> > > Werner
> > >
> > >> On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 6:58 PM, Kevan Miller <ke...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >> Thanks for the info.
> > >>
> > >> There may be lots of technical reasons justifying DeviceMap as
> project.
> > >> From an ASF perspective, these are secondary. Primarily, the ASF will
> > need
> > >> to see a viable DeviceMap *community*.
> > >>
> > >> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html is worth reading
> > from
> > >> time to time. And measuring where we think we are in meeting these
> > criteria.
> > >>
> > >> --kevan
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 3:35 AM, Werner Keil <we...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > I'd say these are only 2 very good arguments for the existence (and
> > >> > eventual graduation) of DeviceMap:
> > >> >
> > >> >
> >
> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/samsung/10869294/Samsung-launches-first-open-source-Tizen-smartphone.html?bcsi-ac-95bb4efa6a1646c8=229BB80200000503pehAqDaU4KXwMGaXAhZZ60bGqOWhAAAAAwUAADJVUQAIBwAAIQAAAON6AwA=
> > >> > and
> > >> >
> > >> >
> >
> http://dashburst.com/mobile-devices-insanely-large-screens/?utm_content=bufferfa4e6&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer
> > >> >
> > >> > Werner
> > >> >
> > >> > On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 2:08 AM, eberhard speer jr. <
> seshat@ducis.net
> > >
> > >> > wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> > >> > > Hash: SHA1
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Hi,
> > >> > >
> > >> > > my 2 cents regarding growing the community :
> > >> > >
> > >> > > In short :
> > >> > >
> > >> > > This community is small and we see it getting smaller.
> > >> > > There some very good reasons for this (see below).
> > >> > > This will by it's nature always be a rather small specialized
> > community.
> > >> > > But the ability to identify a user-agent/device will remain a
> > >> > > fundamental thing.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Bit Longer :
> > >> > >
> > >> > > 1) The 'Frameworks' always had the edge : much closer to the
> > >> > > web-developer. DDR is HTTP-headers, back-end-y, further...far away
> > >> > > stuff and never really reached them.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > 2) "Device" is shifting. What is currently understood as a
> "device",
> > >> > > the smart-and not so-smart phones, tables, pads, phablets,... are
> > >> > > becoming more generic. Instead of long lists of esoteric
> properties,
> > >> > > it's basically back to : OS/browser/rendering-engine.
> > >> > > DDR was 'sexy' because 'mobile' was 'device'.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > 3) HTML5 : following what goes on on the WhatWg list and 'out
> there'
> > >> > > you see it becoming easier and easier to 'do mobile' -- the sexy
> > >> > > stuff, no frameworks etc.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > *But* the need for other uses stays [traffic analyses] and much
> more
> > >> > > importantly : 'device' will shift : "the Internet of
> > Things"...sounds
> > >> > > very much like "devices" to me.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Maybe the community should congratulate 'mobile' as it graduates
> > from
> > >> > > 'device', and be ready to welcome in the next 'devices'.
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > esjr
> > >> > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
> > >> > > Version: GnuPG v1.4.8 (MingW32)
> > >> > > Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/
> > >> > >
> > >> > > iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJThnqJAAoJEOxywXcFLKYcRlkH/irsBE8rnMWdu2Lfqrh31IDx
> > >> > > WH7xSTdUf6i3ZJeimcig7MaLQy1G/3FR/QrmSjjwNCGo73Gq5sss6YnRLuDxwB3m
> > >> > > ZMphxb3EAV2SUsT037fnSiM+I6BFC86nWs78S6FTD9etySlT2TCjW9OUp3wwXcIB
> > >> > > //hmfmCuQT2TueOouN/Hk+RCiV3WuFW0JJ0l+MmBlMX9YgHp5Q2IxtuWegVae/Bn
> > >> > > 1jF0zKewHAgrk90K5zH6gS4S1wS1h8QFTRcfHgxhUPEkMVg+c8X8aTS9QkYFNVmY
> > >> > > VX4PC4UshrsStHVOve9lbic948qTLxBbIw5PPOapl55BXJJ/lLvfcs3ODHulLW0=
> > >> > > =qjoV
> > >> > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
> > >> > >
> > >> >
> > >
> >
>
Re: DeviceMap Community - Incubator PMC/Board report
Posted by Reza <re...@yahoo.com.INVALID>.
Do we have new device data? These updates are supposed to come monthly...
________________________________
From: Werner Keil <we...@gmail.com>
To: "devicemap-dev@incubator.apache.org" <de...@incubator.apache.org>
Cc: Gopal Kris <ma...@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2014 10:33 AM
Subject: Re: DeviceMap Community - Incubator PMC/Board report
Gopal/all,
This is the June report for DeviceMap. We skipped a month or two before
that, ideally we'd like to contribute to the next report, but the question
is, can we say anything substantial about the Device Data Service prototype
you said you have in the pipeline yet?
I'll talk about DeviceMap this weekend (Sun) at a Web Developer MeetUp.
That was already mentioned, but if attendees or the organizer of this
meeting have clear intentions to contribute based on their dealing with the
project I'd add this before July 1 or 2. Nothing new from me other than
that.
--------------------DeviceMapApache DeviceMap is a data repository
containing device information, imagesand other relevant information
for all sorts of mobile devices, e.g.smartphones and tablets. While
the focus is initially on that data, APIswill also be created to use
and manage it.DeviceMap has been incubating since 2012-01-03.Three
most important issues to address in the move towards graduation: 1.
Grow community. 2. Generate a release. 3. Explore options to allow
contributions through a Web based interface/API to add new device
specs. 4. Improved support for additional languages/platform (.NET,
PHP,...)Any issues that the Incubator PMC (IPMC) or ASF Board
wish/need to beaware of? (None)How has the community developed since
the last report? Tangentially, there have been presentations at
conferences like JavaLand raised awareness. A Mobile Development
MeetUp group in Germany is looking into the code, and where they
might contribute.How has the project developed since the last report?
Syncing device data with OpenDDR in regular intervals when relevant
changes occur. Update of the Java DDR Simple API and other
libraries.Date of last release: N/AWhen were the last committers or
PMC members elected? N/A
Cheers,
Werner
On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 6:20 AM, Gopal Kris <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Web based interface to verify and add new device specs is what iam working
> on.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On 02-Jun-2014, at 10:40 pm, Werner Keil <we...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Spreading the word (as one of the few at the moment) is the best thing
> to do at the moment.
> > If contribution via a solid Web Service or Web Based interface can't be
> established here for DeviceMap, then I'm afraid, it's likely t fail.
> > And for that there's always a fall-back option to OpenDDR
> >
> > See attempts by Stephen Colebourne to create "Apache Commons Money"
> which failed quite miserably. So did his follow-up "JodaMoney", but he at
> least occasionally helped a bit with a new Java Standard in this area,
> JavaMoney.org (JSR 354). Sometimes it takes time and also exploring
> multiple options. Let's see which one is right here
> >
> > Werner
> >
> >> On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 6:58 PM, Kevan Miller <ke...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> Thanks for the info.
> >>
> >> There may be lots of technical reasons justifying DeviceMap as project.
> >> >From an ASF perspective, these are secondary. Primarily, the ASF will
> need
> >> to see a viable DeviceMap *community*.
> >>
> >> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html is worth reading
> from
> >> time to time. And measuring where we think we are in meeting these
> criteria.
> >>
> >> --kevan
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 3:35 AM, Werner Keil <we...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> > I'd say these are only 2 very good arguments for the existence (and
> >> > eventual graduation) of DeviceMap:
> >> >
> >> >
> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/samsung/10869294/Samsung-launches-first-open-source-Tizen-smartphone.html?bcsi-ac-95bb4efa6a1646c8=229BB80200000503pehAqDaU4KXwMGaXAhZZ60bGqOWhAAAAAwUAADJVUQAIBwAAIQAAAON6AwA=
> >> > and
> >> >
> >> >
> http://dashburst.com/mobile-devices-insanely-large-screens/?utm_content=bufferfa4e6&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer
> >> >
> >> > Werner
> >> >
> >> > On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 2:08 AM, eberhard speer jr. <seshat@ducis.net
> >
> >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> >> > > Hash: SHA1
> >> > >
> >> > > Hi,
> >> > >
> >> > > my 2 cents regarding growing the community :
> >> > >
> >> > > In short :
> >> > >
> >> > > This community is small and we see it getting smaller.
> >> > > There some very good reasons for this (see below).
> >> > > This will by it's nature always be a rather small specialized
> community.
> >> > > But the ability to identify a user-agent/device will remain a
> >> > > fundamental thing.
> >> > >
> >> > > Bit Longer :
> >> > >
> >> > > 1) The 'Frameworks' always had the edge : much closer to the
> >> > > web-developer. DDR is HTTP-headers, back-end-y, further...far away
> >> > > stuff and never really reached them.
> >> > >
> >> > > 2) "Device" is shifting. What is currently understood as a "device",
> >> > > the smart-and not so-smart phones, tables, pads, phablets,... are
> >> > > becoming more generic. Instead of long lists of esoteric properties,
> >> > > it's basically back to : OS/browser/rendering-engine.
> >> > > DDR was 'sexy' because 'mobile' was 'device'.
> >> > >
> >> > > 3) HTML5 : following what goes on on the WhatWg list and 'out there'
> >> > > you see it becoming easier and easier to 'do mobile' -- the sexy
> >> > > stuff, no frameworks etc.
> >> > >
> >> > > *But* the need for other uses stays [traffic analyses] and much more
> >> > > importantly : 'device' will shift : "the Internet of
> Things"...sounds
> >> > > very much like "devices" to me.
> >> > >
> >> > > Maybe the community should congratulate 'mobile' as it graduates
> from
> >> > > 'device', and be ready to welcome in the next 'devices'.
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > esjr
> >> > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
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Re: DeviceMap Community - Incubator PMC/Board report
Posted by Werner Keil <we...@gmail.com>.
Gopal/all,
This is the June report for DeviceMap. We skipped a month or two before
that, ideally we'd like to contribute to the next report, but the question
is, can we say anything substantial about the Device Data Service prototype
you said you have in the pipeline yet?
I'll talk about DeviceMap this weekend (Sun) at a Web Developer MeetUp.
That was already mentioned, but if attendees or the organizer of this
meeting have clear intentions to contribute based on their dealing with the
project I'd add this before July 1 or 2. Nothing new from me other than
that.
--------------------DeviceMapApache DeviceMap is a data repository
containing device information, imagesand other relevant information
for all sorts of mobile devices, e.g.smartphones and tablets. While
the focus is initially on that data, APIswill also be created to use
and manage it.DeviceMap has been incubating since 2012-01-03.Three
most important issues to address in the move towards graduation: 1.
Grow community. 2. Generate a release. 3. Explore options to allow
contributions through a Web based interface/API to add new device
specs. 4. Improved support for additional languages/platform (.NET,
PHP,...)Any issues that the Incubator PMC (IPMC) or ASF Board
wish/need to beaware of? (None)How has the community developed since
the last report? Tangentially, there have been presentations at
conferences like JavaLand raised awareness. A Mobile Development
MeetUp group in Germany is looking into the code, and where they
might contribute.How has the project developed since the last report?
Syncing device data with OpenDDR in regular intervals when relevant
changes occur. Update of the Java DDR Simple API and other
libraries.Date of last release: N/AWhen were the last committers or
PMC members elected? N/A
Cheers,
Werner
On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 6:20 AM, Gopal Kris <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Web based interface to verify and add new device specs is what iam working
> on.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On 02-Jun-2014, at 10:40 pm, Werner Keil <we...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Spreading the word (as one of the few at the moment) is the best thing
> to do at the moment.
> > If contribution via a solid Web Service or Web Based interface can't be
> established here for DeviceMap, then I'm afraid, it's likely t fail.
> > And for that there's always a fall-back option to OpenDDR
> >
> > See attempts by Stephen Colebourne to create "Apache Commons Money"
> which failed quite miserably. So did his follow-up "JodaMoney", but he at
> least occasionally helped a bit with a new Java Standard in this area,
> JavaMoney.org (JSR 354). Sometimes it takes time and also exploring
> multiple options. Let's see which one is right here
> >
> > Werner
> >
> >> On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 6:58 PM, Kevan Miller <ke...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> Thanks for the info.
> >>
> >> There may be lots of technical reasons justifying DeviceMap as project.
> >> From an ASF perspective, these are secondary. Primarily, the ASF will
> need
> >> to see a viable DeviceMap *community*.
> >>
> >> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html is worth reading
> from
> >> time to time. And measuring where we think we are in meeting these
> criteria.
> >>
> >> --kevan
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 3:35 AM, Werner Keil <we...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> > I'd say these are only 2 very good arguments for the existence (and
> >> > eventual graduation) of DeviceMap:
> >> >
> >> >
> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/samsung/10869294/Samsung-launches-first-open-source-Tizen-smartphone.html?bcsi-ac-95bb4efa6a1646c8=229BB80200000503pehAqDaU4KXwMGaXAhZZ60bGqOWhAAAAAwUAADJVUQAIBwAAIQAAAON6AwA=
> >> > and
> >> >
> >> >
> http://dashburst.com/mobile-devices-insanely-large-screens/?utm_content=bufferfa4e6&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer
> >> >
> >> > Werner
> >> >
> >> > On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 2:08 AM, eberhard speer jr. <seshat@ducis.net
> >
> >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> >> > > Hash: SHA1
> >> > >
> >> > > Hi,
> >> > >
> >> > > my 2 cents regarding growing the community :
> >> > >
> >> > > In short :
> >> > >
> >> > > This community is small and we see it getting smaller.
> >> > > There some very good reasons for this (see below).
> >> > > This will by it's nature always be a rather small specialized
> community.
> >> > > But the ability to identify a user-agent/device will remain a
> >> > > fundamental thing.
> >> > >
> >> > > Bit Longer :
> >> > >
> >> > > 1) The 'Frameworks' always had the edge : much closer to the
> >> > > web-developer. DDR is HTTP-headers, back-end-y, further...far away
> >> > > stuff and never really reached them.
> >> > >
> >> > > 2) "Device" is shifting. What is currently understood as a "device",
> >> > > the smart-and not so-smart phones, tables, pads, phablets,... are
> >> > > becoming more generic. Instead of long lists of esoteric properties,
> >> > > it's basically back to : OS/browser/rendering-engine.
> >> > > DDR was 'sexy' because 'mobile' was 'device'.
> >> > >
> >> > > 3) HTML5 : following what goes on on the WhatWg list and 'out there'
> >> > > you see it becoming easier and easier to 'do mobile' -- the sexy
> >> > > stuff, no frameworks etc.
> >> > >
> >> > > *But* the need for other uses stays [traffic analyses] and much more
> >> > > importantly : 'device' will shift : "the Internet of
> Things"...sounds
> >> > > very much like "devices" to me.
> >> > >
> >> > > Maybe the community should congratulate 'mobile' as it graduates
> from
> >> > > 'device', and be ready to welcome in the next 'devices'.
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > esjr
> >> > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
> >> > > Version: GnuPG v1.4.8 (MingW32)
> >> > > Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/
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> >> > >
> >> >
> >
>
Re: DeviceMap Community - Incubator PMC/Board report
Posted by gopal kris <ma...@gmail.com>.
I do not seem to have access to that wiki
On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 3:11 PM, Werner Keil <we...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Gopal,
>
> Could you add exactly that sentence as a bullet point under
>
> Three most important issues to address in the move towards graduation:
> 1. 2. 3.
>
> in the Wiki page above?
>
> IMHO it is among the most important ones. I'll add a few words especially
> about evangelizing and interested parties who just told me they want to
> look into the project more closely.
>
> Werner
>
> On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 6:31 AM, Kevan Miller <ke...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > The Wiki being used to prepare the June board report is here:
> >
> > http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/June2014
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 9:20 PM, Gopal Kris <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Web based interface to verify and add new device specs is what iam
> > working
> > > on.
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > > > On 02-Jun-2014, at 10:40 pm, Werner Keil <we...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Spreading the word (as one of the few at the moment) is the best
> thing
> > > to do at the moment.
> > > > If contribution via a solid Web Service or Web Based interface can't
> be
> > > established here for DeviceMap, then I'm afraid, it's likely t fail.
> > > > And for that there's always a fall-back option to OpenDDR
> > > >
> > > > See attempts by Stephen Colebourne to create "Apache Commons Money"
> > > which failed quite miserably. So did his follow-up "JodaMoney", but he
> at
> > > least occasionally helped a bit with a new Java Standard in this area,
> > > JavaMoney.org (JSR 354). Sometimes it takes time and also exploring
> > > multiple options. Let's see which one is right here
> > > >
> > > > Werner
> > > >
> > > >> On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 6:58 PM, Kevan Miller <
> kevan.miller@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > >> Thanks for the info.
> > > >>
> > > >> There may be lots of technical reasons justifying DeviceMap as
> > project.
> > > >> From an ASF perspective, these are secondary. Primarily, the ASF
> will
> > > need
> > > >> to see a viable DeviceMap *community*.
> > > >>
> > > >> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html is worth reading
> > > from
> > > >> time to time. And measuring where we think we are in meeting these
> > > criteria.
> > > >>
> > > >> --kevan
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 3:35 AM, Werner Keil <we...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> > I'd say these are only 2 very good arguments for the existence
> (and
> > > >> > eventual graduation) of DeviceMap:
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > >
> >
> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/samsung/10869294/Samsung-launches-first-open-source-Tizen-smartphone.html?bcsi-ac-95bb4efa6a1646c8=229BB80200000503pehAqDaU4KXwMGaXAhZZ60bGqOWhAAAAAwUAADJVUQAIBwAAIQAAAON6AwA=
> > > >> > and
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > >
> >
> http://dashburst.com/mobile-devices-insanely-large-screens/?utm_content=bufferfa4e6&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Werner
> > > >> >
> > > >> > On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 2:08 AM, eberhard speer jr. <
> > seshat@ducis.net
> > > >
> > > >> > wrote:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> > > >> > > Hash: SHA1
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > Hi,
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > my 2 cents regarding growing the community :
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > In short :
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > This community is small and we see it getting smaller.
> > > >> > > There some very good reasons for this (see below).
> > > >> > > This will by it's nature always be a rather small specialized
> > > community.
> > > >> > > But the ability to identify a user-agent/device will remain a
> > > >> > > fundamental thing.
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > Bit Longer :
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > 1) The 'Frameworks' always had the edge : much closer to the
> > > >> > > web-developer. DDR is HTTP-headers, back-end-y, further...far
> away
> > > >> > > stuff and never really reached them.
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > 2) "Device" is shifting. What is currently understood as a
> > "device",
> > > >> > > the smart-and not so-smart phones, tables, pads, phablets,...
> are
> > > >> > > becoming more generic. Instead of long lists of esoteric
> > properties,
> > > >> > > it's basically back to : OS/browser/rendering-engine.
> > > >> > > DDR was 'sexy' because 'mobile' was 'device'.
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > 3) HTML5 : following what goes on on the WhatWg list and 'out
> > there'
> > > >> > > you see it becoming easier and easier to 'do mobile' -- the sexy
> > > >> > > stuff, no frameworks etc.
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > *But* the need for other uses stays [traffic analyses] and much
> > more
> > > >> > > importantly : 'device' will shift : "the Internet of
> > > Things"...sounds
> > > >> > > very much like "devices" to me.
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > Maybe the community should congratulate 'mobile' as it graduates
> > > from
> > > >> > > 'device', and be ready to welcome in the next 'devices'.
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > esjr
> > > >> > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
> > > >> > > Version: GnuPG v1.4.8 (MingW32)
> > > >> > > Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird -
> http://www.enigmail.net/
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJThnqJAAoJEOxywXcFLKYcRlkH/irsBE8rnMWdu2Lfqrh31IDx
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> > > >> > > VX4PC4UshrsStHVOve9lbic948qTLxBbIw5PPOapl55BXJJ/lLvfcs3ODHulLW0=
> > > >> > > =qjoV
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> > > >> > >
> > > >> >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
Re: DeviceMap Community - Incubator PMC/Board report
Posted by Gopal Kris <ma...@gmail.com>.
Not yet.
I shall send you in a week.
Sent from my iPhone
> On 03-Jun-2014, at 6:22 pm, "reza.naghibi@yahoo.com.INVALID" <re...@yahoo.com.INVALID> wrote:
>
> Is there a demo?
>
Re: DeviceMap Community - Incubator PMC/Board report
Posted by "reza.naghibi@yahoo.com.INVALID" <re...@yahoo.com.INVALID>.
Is there a demo?
Re: DeviceMap Community - Incubator PMC/Board report
Posted by Werner Keil <we...@gmail.com>.
Gopal,
Could you add exactly that sentence as a bullet point under
Three most important issues to address in the move towards graduation:
1. 2. 3.
in the Wiki page above?
IMHO it is among the most important ones. I'll add a few words especially
about evangelizing and interested parties who just told me they want to
look into the project more closely.
Werner
On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 6:31 AM, Kevan Miller <ke...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The Wiki being used to prepare the June board report is here:
>
> http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/June2014
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 9:20 PM, Gopal Kris <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Web based interface to verify and add new device specs is what iam
> working
> > on.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On 02-Jun-2014, at 10:40 pm, Werner Keil <we...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > Spreading the word (as one of the few at the moment) is the best thing
> > to do at the moment.
> > > If contribution via a solid Web Service or Web Based interface can't be
> > established here for DeviceMap, then I'm afraid, it's likely t fail.
> > > And for that there's always a fall-back option to OpenDDR
> > >
> > > See attempts by Stephen Colebourne to create "Apache Commons Money"
> > which failed quite miserably. So did his follow-up "JodaMoney", but he at
> > least occasionally helped a bit with a new Java Standard in this area,
> > JavaMoney.org (JSR 354). Sometimes it takes time and also exploring
> > multiple options. Let's see which one is right here
> > >
> > > Werner
> > >
> > >> On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 6:58 PM, Kevan Miller <ke...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >> Thanks for the info.
> > >>
> > >> There may be lots of technical reasons justifying DeviceMap as
> project.
> > >> From an ASF perspective, these are secondary. Primarily, the ASF will
> > need
> > >> to see a viable DeviceMap *community*.
> > >>
> > >> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html is worth reading
> > from
> > >> time to time. And measuring where we think we are in meeting these
> > criteria.
> > >>
> > >> --kevan
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 3:35 AM, Werner Keil <we...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > I'd say these are only 2 very good arguments for the existence (and
> > >> > eventual graduation) of DeviceMap:
> > >> >
> > >> >
> >
> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/samsung/10869294/Samsung-launches-first-open-source-Tizen-smartphone.html?bcsi-ac-95bb4efa6a1646c8=229BB80200000503pehAqDaU4KXwMGaXAhZZ60bGqOWhAAAAAwUAADJVUQAIBwAAIQAAAON6AwA=
> > >> > and
> > >> >
> > >> >
> >
> http://dashburst.com/mobile-devices-insanely-large-screens/?utm_content=bufferfa4e6&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer
> > >> >
> > >> > Werner
> > >> >
> > >> > On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 2:08 AM, eberhard speer jr. <
> seshat@ducis.net
> > >
> > >> > wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> > >> > > Hash: SHA1
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Hi,
> > >> > >
> > >> > > my 2 cents regarding growing the community :
> > >> > >
> > >> > > In short :
> > >> > >
> > >> > > This community is small and we see it getting smaller.
> > >> > > There some very good reasons for this (see below).
> > >> > > This will by it's nature always be a rather small specialized
> > community.
> > >> > > But the ability to identify a user-agent/device will remain a
> > >> > > fundamental thing.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Bit Longer :
> > >> > >
> > >> > > 1) The 'Frameworks' always had the edge : much closer to the
> > >> > > web-developer. DDR is HTTP-headers, back-end-y, further...far away
> > >> > > stuff and never really reached them.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > 2) "Device" is shifting. What is currently understood as a
> "device",
> > >> > > the smart-and not so-smart phones, tables, pads, phablets,... are
> > >> > > becoming more generic. Instead of long lists of esoteric
> properties,
> > >> > > it's basically back to : OS/browser/rendering-engine.
> > >> > > DDR was 'sexy' because 'mobile' was 'device'.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > 3) HTML5 : following what goes on on the WhatWg list and 'out
> there'
> > >> > > you see it becoming easier and easier to 'do mobile' -- the sexy
> > >> > > stuff, no frameworks etc.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > *But* the need for other uses stays [traffic analyses] and much
> more
> > >> > > importantly : 'device' will shift : "the Internet of
> > Things"...sounds
> > >> > > very much like "devices" to me.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Maybe the community should congratulate 'mobile' as it graduates
> > from
> > >> > > 'device', and be ready to welcome in the next 'devices'.
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > esjr
> > >> > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
> > >> > > Version: GnuPG v1.4.8 (MingW32)
> > >> > > Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/
> > >> > >
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Re: DeviceMap Community - Incubator PMC/Board report
Posted by Kevan Miller <ke...@gmail.com>.
The Wiki being used to prepare the June board report is here:
http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/June2014
On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 9:20 PM, Gopal Kris <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Web based interface to verify and add new device specs is what iam working
> on.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On 02-Jun-2014, at 10:40 pm, Werner Keil <we...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Spreading the word (as one of the few at the moment) is the best thing
> to do at the moment.
> > If contribution via a solid Web Service or Web Based interface can't be
> established here for DeviceMap, then I'm afraid, it's likely t fail.
> > And for that there's always a fall-back option to OpenDDR
> >
> > See attempts by Stephen Colebourne to create "Apache Commons Money"
> which failed quite miserably. So did his follow-up "JodaMoney", but he at
> least occasionally helped a bit with a new Java Standard in this area,
> JavaMoney.org (JSR 354). Sometimes it takes time and also exploring
> multiple options. Let's see which one is right here
> >
> > Werner
> >
> >> On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 6:58 PM, Kevan Miller <ke...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> Thanks for the info.
> >>
> >> There may be lots of technical reasons justifying DeviceMap as project.
> >> From an ASF perspective, these are secondary. Primarily, the ASF will
> need
> >> to see a viable DeviceMap *community*.
> >>
> >> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html is worth reading
> from
> >> time to time. And measuring where we think we are in meeting these
> criteria.
> >>
> >> --kevan
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 3:35 AM, Werner Keil <we...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> > I'd say these are only 2 very good arguments for the existence (and
> >> > eventual graduation) of DeviceMap:
> >> >
> >> >
> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/samsung/10869294/Samsung-launches-first-open-source-Tizen-smartphone.html?bcsi-ac-95bb4efa6a1646c8=229BB80200000503pehAqDaU4KXwMGaXAhZZ60bGqOWhAAAAAwUAADJVUQAIBwAAIQAAAON6AwA=
> >> > and
> >> >
> >> >
> http://dashburst.com/mobile-devices-insanely-large-screens/?utm_content=bufferfa4e6&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer
> >> >
> >> > Werner
> >> >
> >> > On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 2:08 AM, eberhard speer jr. <seshat@ducis.net
> >
> >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> >> > > Hash: SHA1
> >> > >
> >> > > Hi,
> >> > >
> >> > > my 2 cents regarding growing the community :
> >> > >
> >> > > In short :
> >> > >
> >> > > This community is small and we see it getting smaller.
> >> > > There some very good reasons for this (see below).
> >> > > This will by it's nature always be a rather small specialized
> community.
> >> > > But the ability to identify a user-agent/device will remain a
> >> > > fundamental thing.
> >> > >
> >> > > Bit Longer :
> >> > >
> >> > > 1) The 'Frameworks' always had the edge : much closer to the
> >> > > web-developer. DDR is HTTP-headers, back-end-y, further...far away
> >> > > stuff and never really reached them.
> >> > >
> >> > > 2) "Device" is shifting. What is currently understood as a "device",
> >> > > the smart-and not so-smart phones, tables, pads, phablets,... are
> >> > > becoming more generic. Instead of long lists of esoteric properties,
> >> > > it's basically back to : OS/browser/rendering-engine.
> >> > > DDR was 'sexy' because 'mobile' was 'device'.
> >> > >
> >> > > 3) HTML5 : following what goes on on the WhatWg list and 'out there'
> >> > > you see it becoming easier and easier to 'do mobile' -- the sexy
> >> > > stuff, no frameworks etc.
> >> > >
> >> > > *But* the need for other uses stays [traffic analyses] and much more
> >> > > importantly : 'device' will shift : "the Internet of
> Things"...sounds
> >> > > very much like "devices" to me.
> >> > >
> >> > > Maybe the community should congratulate 'mobile' as it graduates
> from
> >> > > 'device', and be ready to welcome in the next 'devices'.
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > esjr
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> >> >
> >
>
Re: DeviceMap Community - Incubator PMC/Board report
Posted by Gopal Kris <ma...@gmail.com>.
Web based interface to verify and add new device specs is what iam working on.
Sent from my iPhone
> On 02-Jun-2014, at 10:40 pm, Werner Keil <we...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Spreading the word (as one of the few at the moment) is the best thing to do at the moment.
> If contribution via a solid Web Service or Web Based interface can't be established here for DeviceMap, then I'm afraid, it's likely t fail.
> And for that there's always a fall-back option to OpenDDR
>
> See attempts by Stephen Colebourne to create "Apache Commons Money" which failed quite miserably. So did his follow-up "JodaMoney", but he at least occasionally helped a bit with a new Java Standard in this area, JavaMoney.org (JSR 354). Sometimes it takes time and also exploring multiple options. Let's see which one is right here
>
> Werner
>
>> On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 6:58 PM, Kevan Miller <ke...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Thanks for the info.
>>
>> There may be lots of technical reasons justifying DeviceMap as project.
>> From an ASF perspective, these are secondary. Primarily, the ASF will need
>> to see a viable DeviceMap *community*.
>>
>> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html is worth reading from
>> time to time. And measuring where we think we are in meeting these criteria.
>>
>> --kevan
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 3:35 AM, Werner Keil <we...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > I'd say these are only 2 very good arguments for the existence (and
>> > eventual graduation) of DeviceMap:
>> >
>> > http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/samsung/10869294/Samsung-launches-first-open-source-Tizen-smartphone.html?bcsi-ac-95bb4efa6a1646c8=229BB80200000503pehAqDaU4KXwMGaXAhZZ60bGqOWhAAAAAwUAADJVUQAIBwAAIQAAAON6AwA=
>> > and
>> >
>> > http://dashburst.com/mobile-devices-insanely-large-screens/?utm_content=bufferfa4e6&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer
>> >
>> > Werner
>> >
>> > On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 2:08 AM, eberhard speer jr. <se...@ducis.net>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>> > > Hash: SHA1
>> > >
>> > > Hi,
>> > >
>> > > my 2 cents regarding growing the community :
>> > >
>> > > In short :
>> > >
>> > > This community is small and we see it getting smaller.
>> > > There some very good reasons for this (see below).
>> > > This will by it's nature always be a rather small specialized community.
>> > > But the ability to identify a user-agent/device will remain a
>> > > fundamental thing.
>> > >
>> > > Bit Longer :
>> > >
>> > > 1) The 'Frameworks' always had the edge : much closer to the
>> > > web-developer. DDR is HTTP-headers, back-end-y, further...far away
>> > > stuff and never really reached them.
>> > >
>> > > 2) "Device" is shifting. What is currently understood as a "device",
>> > > the smart-and not so-smart phones, tables, pads, phablets,... are
>> > > becoming more generic. Instead of long lists of esoteric properties,
>> > > it's basically back to : OS/browser/rendering-engine.
>> > > DDR was 'sexy' because 'mobile' was 'device'.
>> > >
>> > > 3) HTML5 : following what goes on on the WhatWg list and 'out there'
>> > > you see it becoming easier and easier to 'do mobile' -- the sexy
>> > > stuff, no frameworks etc.
>> > >
>> > > *But* the need for other uses stays [traffic analyses] and much more
>> > > importantly : 'device' will shift : "the Internet of Things"...sounds
>> > > very much like "devices" to me.
>> > >
>> > > Maybe the community should congratulate 'mobile' as it graduates from
>> > > 'device', and be ready to welcome in the next 'devices'.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > esjr
>> > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
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>> > >
>> >
>
Re: DeviceMap Community - Incubator PMC/Board report
Posted by Werner Keil <we...@gmail.com>.
Spreading the word (as one of the few at the moment[?]) is the best thing to
do at the moment.
If contribution via a solid Web Service or Web Based interface can't be
established here for DeviceMap, then I'm afraid, it's likely t fail.
And for that there's always a fall-back option to OpenDDR[?]
See attempts by Stephen Colebourne to create "Apache Commons Money" which
failed quite miserably. So did his follow-up "JodaMoney", but he at least
occasionally helped a bit with a new Java Standard in this area,
JavaMoney.org (JSR 354). Sometimes it takes time and also exploring
multiple options. Let's see which one is right here[?]
Werner
On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 6:58 PM, Kevan Miller <ke...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks for the info.
>
> There may be lots of technical reasons justifying DeviceMap as project.
> From an ASF perspective, these are secondary. Primarily, the ASF will need
> to see a viable DeviceMap *community*.
>
> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html is worth reading from
> time to time. And measuring where we think we are in meeting these
> criteria.
>
> --kevan
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 3:35 AM, Werner Keil <we...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I'd say these are only 2 very good arguments for the existence (and
> > eventual graduation) of DeviceMap:
> >
> >
> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/samsung/10869294/Samsung-launches-first-open-source-Tizen-smartphone.html?bcsi-ac-95bb4efa6a1646c8=229BB80200000503pehAqDaU4KXwMGaXAhZZ60bGqOWhAAAAAwUAADJVUQAIBwAAIQAAAON6AwA=
> > and
> >
> >
> http://dashburst.com/mobile-devices-insanely-large-screens/?utm_content=bufferfa4e6&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer
> >
> > Werner
> >
> > On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 2:08 AM, eberhard speer jr. <se...@ducis.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> > > Hash: SHA1
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > my 2 cents regarding growing the community :
> > >
> > > In short :
> > >
> > > This community is small and we see it getting smaller.
> > > There some very good reasons for this (see below).
> > > This will by it's nature always be a rather small specialized
> community.
> > > But the ability to identify a user-agent/device will remain a
> > > fundamental thing.
> > >
> > > Bit Longer :
> > >
> > > 1) The 'Frameworks' always had the edge : much closer to the
> > > web-developer. DDR is HTTP-headers, back-end-y, further...far away
> > > stuff and never really reached them.
> > >
> > > 2) "Device" is shifting. What is currently understood as a "device",
> > > the smart-and not so-smart phones, tables, pads, phablets,... are
> > > becoming more generic. Instead of long lists of esoteric properties,
> > > it's basically back to : OS/browser/rendering-engine.
> > > DDR was 'sexy' because 'mobile' was 'device'.
> > >
> > > 3) HTML5 : following what goes on on the WhatWg list and 'out there'
> > > you see it becoming easier and easier to 'do mobile' -- the sexy
> > > stuff, no frameworks etc.
> > >
> > > *But* the need for other uses stays [traffic analyses] and much more
> > > importantly : 'device' will shift : "the Internet of Things"...sounds
> > > very much like "devices" to me.
> > >
> > > Maybe the community should congratulate 'mobile' as it graduates from
> > > 'device', and be ready to welcome in the next 'devices'.
> > >
> > >
> > > esjr
> > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
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Re: DeviceMap Community - Incubator PMC/Board report
Posted by Kevan Miller <ke...@gmail.com>.
Thanks for the info.
There may be lots of technical reasons justifying DeviceMap as project.
>From an ASF perspective, these are secondary. Primarily, the ASF will need
to see a viable DeviceMap *community*.
http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html is worth reading from
time to time. And measuring where we think we are in meeting these criteria.
--kevan
On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 3:35 AM, Werner Keil <we...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'd say these are only 2 very good arguments for the existence (and
> eventual graduation) of DeviceMap:
>
> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/samsung/10869294/Samsung-launches-first-open-source-Tizen-smartphone.html?bcsi-ac-95bb4efa6a1646c8=229BB80200000503pehAqDaU4KXwMGaXAhZZ60bGqOWhAAAAAwUAADJVUQAIBwAAIQAAAON6AwA=
> and
>
> http://dashburst.com/mobile-devices-insanely-large-screens/?utm_content=bufferfa4e6&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer
>
> Werner
>
> On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 2:08 AM, eberhard speer jr. <se...@ducis.net>
> wrote:
>
> > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> > Hash: SHA1
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > my 2 cents regarding growing the community :
> >
> > In short :
> >
> > This community is small and we see it getting smaller.
> > There some very good reasons for this (see below).
> > This will by it's nature always be a rather small specialized community.
> > But the ability to identify a user-agent/device will remain a
> > fundamental thing.
> >
> > Bit Longer :
> >
> > 1) The 'Frameworks' always had the edge : much closer to the
> > web-developer. DDR is HTTP-headers, back-end-y, further...far away
> > stuff and never really reached them.
> >
> > 2) "Device" is shifting. What is currently understood as a "device",
> > the smart-and not so-smart phones, tables, pads, phablets,... are
> > becoming more generic. Instead of long lists of esoteric properties,
> > it's basically back to : OS/browser/rendering-engine.
> > DDR was 'sexy' because 'mobile' was 'device'.
> >
> > 3) HTML5 : following what goes on on the WhatWg list and 'out there'
> > you see it becoming easier and easier to 'do mobile' -- the sexy
> > stuff, no frameworks etc.
> >
> > *But* the need for other uses stays [traffic analyses] and much more
> > importantly : 'device' will shift : "the Internet of Things"...sounds
> > very much like "devices" to me.
> >
> > Maybe the community should congratulate 'mobile' as it graduates from
> > 'device', and be ready to welcome in the next 'devices'.
> >
> >
> > esjr
> > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
> > Version: GnuPG v1.4.8 (MingW32)
> > Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/
> >
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>
Re: DeviceMap Community - Incubator PMC/Board report
Posted by Werner Keil <we...@gmail.com>.
I'd say these are only 2 very good arguments for the existence (and
eventual graduation) of DeviceMap:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/samsung/10869294/Samsung-launches-first-open-source-Tizen-smartphone.html?bcsi-ac-95bb4efa6a1646c8=229BB80200000503pehAqDaU4KXwMGaXAhZZ60bGqOWhAAAAAwUAADJVUQAIBwAAIQAAAON6AwA=
and
http://dashburst.com/mobile-devices-insanely-large-screens/?utm_content=bufferfa4e6&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer
Werner
On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 2:08 AM, eberhard speer jr. <se...@ducis.net>
wrote:
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
>
> Hi,
>
> my 2 cents regarding growing the community :
>
> In short :
>
> This community is small and we see it getting smaller.
> There some very good reasons for this (see below).
> This will by it's nature always be a rather small specialized community.
> But the ability to identify a user-agent/device will remain a
> fundamental thing.
>
> Bit Longer :
>
> 1) The 'Frameworks' always had the edge : much closer to the
> web-developer. DDR is HTTP-headers, back-end-y, further...far away
> stuff and never really reached them.
>
> 2) "Device" is shifting. What is currently understood as a "device",
> the smart-and not so-smart phones, tables, pads, phablets,... are
> becoming more generic. Instead of long lists of esoteric properties,
> it's basically back to : OS/browser/rendering-engine.
> DDR was 'sexy' because 'mobile' was 'device'.
>
> 3) HTML5 : following what goes on on the WhatWg list and 'out there'
> you see it becoming easier and easier to 'do mobile' -- the sexy
> stuff, no frameworks etc.
>
> *But* the need for other uses stays [traffic analyses] and much more
> importantly : 'device' will shift : "the Internet of Things"...sounds
> very much like "devices" to me.
>
> Maybe the community should congratulate 'mobile' as it graduates from
> 'device', and be ready to welcome in the next 'devices'.
>
>
> esjr
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
> Version: GnuPG v1.4.8 (MingW32)
> Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/
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