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Posted to user@turbine.apache.org by Jon Stevens <jo...@latchkey.com> on 2001/08/25 06:50:35 UTC
The Matrix
I filled in the Matrix.
-jon
Re: The Matrix
Posted by Jon Stevens <jo...@latchkey.com>.
on 8/25/01 1:14 AM, "Kasper Nielsen" <ne...@kav.dk> wrote:
> Perhaps it should be based on releashed versions.
> Its not a fair comparsion if we compare our alpha software with other
> frameworks that has to have a releashed version.
We do have alpha releases that people can use. There are also other projects
depending on these alpha versions already, so we know they work, it is just
a bit of maintenance to keep up...just like it used to be before we got
stable.
> I think its a great idea to have a matrix like that, but in this form it
> will only make us look arrogant (We have 3 XXX in almost all colums) and non
> realistic. Its so biased......
It is biased against what is the future for Turbine. So far, the future
looks pretty damn bright eh? :-)
> I also think we should seperate the entries into categories like
> 'Presentation Part' (MVC, speed, form validation, I18n, stability)
> Enterprise Integration (DB pooling, service framework, Data Abstraction
> Layer, E2JJ integration), Availability (Cost, Vendor Support, Training,....)
I just took what they gave me. Feel free to make the modifications and do
the changes yourself. :-)
> - Kasper
> ps. whats the difference between 'Reasonably Fast' and 'Very Fast' ??
> I don't whink we can have a speed comparison without having done any tests
> comparing all of them.
LOL!
As we all know, speed tests are lame. However, there have been speed tests
against 2.1 and 3.0alpha's and we are seeing something like 4x speed
improvements on something that already seemed very fast. Speed has *never*
been an issue for Turbine/Velocity, however, with any other system that
depends on JSP, speed will be a factor of whatever JSP engine you use.
Needless to say, Tomcat is an admitted dog when it comes to speed.
-jon
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Re: The Matrix
Posted by Kasper Nielsen <ne...@kav.dk>.
Perhaps it should be based on releashed versions.
Its not a fair comparsion if we compare our alpha software with other
frameworks that has to have a releashed version.
I think its a great idea to have a matrix like that, but in this form it
will only make us look arrogant (We have 3 XXX in almost all colums) and non
realistic. Its so biased......
I also think we should seperate the entries into categories like
'Presentation Part' (MVC, speed, form validation, I18n, stability)
Enterprise Integration (DB pooling, service framework, Data Abstraction
Layer, E2JJ integration), Availability (Cost, Vendor Support, Training,....)
- Kasper
ps. whats the difference between 'Reasonably Fast' and 'Very Fast' ??
I don't whink we can have a speed comparison without having done any tests
comparing all of them.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jon Stevens" <jo...@latchkey.com>
To: "Turbine-user" <tu...@jakarta.apache.org>
Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2001 6:53 AM
Subject: Re: The Matrix
> on 8/24/01 9:50 PM, "Jon Stevens" <jo...@latchkey.com> wrote:
>
> > I filled in the Matrix.
> >
> > -jon
>
> I should also add that if there is anything incorrect, feel free to tell
me
> what I messed up on and I will correct it.
>
> Also, if Expresso is now integrated with Struts, I think a side-by-side
> comparison of the two doesn't really make sense.
>
> -jon
>
>
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Re: The Matrix
Posted by Jon Stevens <jo...@latchkey.com>.
on 8/24/01 9:50 PM, "Jon Stevens" <jo...@latchkey.com> wrote:
> I filled in the Matrix.
>
> -jon
I should also add that if there is anything incorrect, feel free to tell me
what I messed up on and I will correct it.
Also, if Expresso is now integrated with Struts, I think a side-by-side
comparison of the two doesn't really make sense.
-jon
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