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JDK 1.5 for the "next-major" ?
Hi,
Considering that there are no clear plans to release the "next-major" this year (or in the next few
months), wouldn't it make more sense than to use JDK 1.5 (this in the context of already undergoing
refactoring and restructure) ?
Thanks in advance,
Ahmed.
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Re: JDK 1.5 for the "next-major" ?
Posted by Bernd Fondermann <bf...@brainlounge.de>.
I would support switching to Java5, if it is accepted by our users
Shouldn't we start a poll on users@?
Bernd
Serge Knystautas wrote:
> On 7/4/07, robert burrell donkin <ro...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> i'm agnostic
>>
>> my plan had been to allow switching over to java5 on a the module
>> level since this retains the possibility of a release containing dual
>> configurations. this would mean factoring out modules from core before
>> starting to introduce java5, though.
>>
>> but if anyone feels strongly they want just to switch completely then
>> that would be fine with me
>
> In addition to JMX, the better SSL features would be nice. I'm hazy
> on the specifics, but wasn't it TLS during SMTP?
>
> FWIW, Sun recently moved 1.4.2 to EOL status. I don't have a sense
> for how many people are still on that and if it's as much of a concern
> as it is in the past.
>
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Re: JDK 1.5 for the "next-major" ?
Posted by Serge Knystautas <sk...@gmail.com>.
On 7/4/07, robert burrell donkin <ro...@gmail.com> wrote:
> i'm agnostic
>
> my plan had been to allow switching over to java5 on a the module
> level since this retains the possibility of a release containing dual
> configurations. this would mean factoring out modules from core before
> starting to introduce java5, though.
>
> but if anyone feels strongly they want just to switch completely then
> that would be fine with me
In addition to JMX, the better SSL features would be nice. I'm hazy
on the specifics, but wasn't it TLS during SMTP?
FWIW, Sun recently moved 1.4.2 to EOL status. I don't have a sense
for how many people are still on that and if it's as much of a concern
as it is in the past.
--
Serge Knystautas
Lokitech >> software . strategy . design >> http://www.lokitech.com
p. 301.656.5501
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Re: JDK 1.5 for the "next-major" ?
Posted by robert burrell donkin <ro...@gmail.com>.
On 7/4/07, Stefano Bagnara <ap...@bago.org> wrote:
> Ahmed Mohombe ha scritto:
> >>> Considering that there are no clear plans to release the "next-major"
> >>> this year (or in the next few months), wouldn't it make more sense than
> >>> to use JDK 1.5 (this in the context of already undergoing refactoring
> >>> and restructure) ?
> >>>
> >>> Thanks in advance,
> >>>
> >>> Ahmed.
> >>
> >> I'm +1 to require java 5 for next JAMES Server, but I don't see this as
> >> a critical issue: as soon as some developer will have a need for a java5
> >> only feature he can call a vote.
> > Simple examples that come right away into my mind:
> > - JMX part of JDK 1.5, so there would be no need for 3rd party JMX libs
> > => less things to maintain.
> > - annotations:
> > - simplified testing
> > - @NotNull annotations for better code quality:
> > http://www.jetbrains.com/idea/documentation/howto.html
> > or
> > http://www.jetbrains.com/idea/docs/NullableHowTo.pdf
> >
> > just to mention a few.
> >
> > Ahmed.
>
> Well, maybe I've not explained my concern. I *know* what's new in java5
> as I mainly work on java5 currently. But I think this is something that
> should start from an active developer and not from anyone else.
>
> If an active developer is willing to use java5 stuff or thinks that
> java5 would better fit his needs then he will call a vote.
>
> Otherwise we discuss of nothing as we can agree on java 5 but if noone
> will use java5 stuff in concrete in svn then we only waste time ;-)
>
> I.e: let's wait for Robert opinion.
i'm agnostic
my plan had been to allow switching over to java5 on a the module
level since this retains the possibility of a release containing dual
configurations. this would mean factoring out modules from core before
starting to introduce java5, though.
but if anyone feels strongly they want just to switch completely then
that would be fine with me
- robert
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Re: JDK 1.5 for the "next-major" ?
Posted by Stefano Bagnara <ap...@bago.org>.
Ahmed Mohombe ha scritto:
>>> Considering that there are no clear plans to release the "next-major"
>>> this year (or in the next few months), wouldn't it make more sense than
>>> to use JDK 1.5 (this in the context of already undergoing refactoring
>>> and restructure) ?
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance,
>>>
>>> Ahmed.
>>
>> I'm +1 to require java 5 for next JAMES Server, but I don't see this as
>> a critical issue: as soon as some developer will have a need for a java5
>> only feature he can call a vote.
> Simple examples that come right away into my mind:
> - JMX part of JDK 1.5, so there would be no need for 3rd party JMX libs
> => less things to maintain.
> - annotations:
> - simplified testing
> - @NotNull annotations for better code quality:
> http://www.jetbrains.com/idea/documentation/howto.html
> or
> http://www.jetbrains.com/idea/docs/NullableHowTo.pdf
>
> just to mention a few.
>
> Ahmed.
Well, maybe I've not explained my concern. I *know* what's new in java5
as I mainly work on java5 currently. But I think this is something that
should start from an active developer and not from anyone else.
If an active developer is willing to use java5 stuff or thinks that
java5 would better fit his needs then he will call a vote.
Otherwise we discuss of nothing as we can agree on java 5 but if noone
will use java5 stuff in concrete in svn then we only waste time ;-)
I.e: let's wait for Robert opinion.
Stefano
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Re: JDK 1.5 for the "next-major" ?
Posted by Ahmed Mohombe <am...@yahoo.com>.
>> Considering that there are no clear plans to release the "next-major"
>> this year (or in the next few months), wouldn't it make more sense than
>> to use JDK 1.5 (this in the context of already undergoing refactoring
>> and restructure) ?
>>
>> Thanks in advance,
>>
>> Ahmed.
>
> I'm +1 to require java 5 for next JAMES Server, but I don't see this as
> a critical issue: as soon as some developer will have a need for a java5
> only feature he can call a vote.
Simple examples that come right away into my mind:
- JMX part of JDK 1.5, so there would be no need for 3rd party JMX libs => less things to maintain.
- annotations:
- simplified testing
- @NotNull annotations for better code quality:
http://www.jetbrains.com/idea/documentation/howto.html
or
http://www.jetbrains.com/idea/docs/NullableHowTo.pdf
just to mention a few.
Ahmed.
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Re: JDK 1.5 for the "next-major" ?
Posted by Norman <no...@apache.org>.
Stefano Bagnara schrieb:
> Ahmed Mohombe ha scritto:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Considering that there are no clear plans to release the "next-major"
>> this year (or in the next few months), wouldn't it make more sense than
>> to use JDK 1.5 (this in the context of already undergoing refactoring
>> and restructure) ?
>>
>> Thanks in advance,
>>
>> Ahmed.
>>
>
> I'm +1 to require java 5 for next JAMES Server, but I don't see this as
> a critical issue: as soon as some developer will have a need for a java5
> only feature he can call a vote.
>
> Stefano
>
Same here..
Bye Norman
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Re: JDK 1.5 for the "next-major" ?
Posted by Stefano Bagnara <ap...@bago.org>.
Ahmed Mohombe ha scritto:
> Hi,
>
> Considering that there are no clear plans to release the "next-major"
> this year (or in the next few months), wouldn't it make more sense than
> to use JDK 1.5 (this in the context of already undergoing refactoring
> and restructure) ?
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Ahmed.
I'm +1 to require java 5 for next JAMES Server, but I don't see this as
a critical issue: as soon as some developer will have a need for a java5
only feature he can call a vote.
Stefano
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