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Redistributing modified MIT licensed code (JavaScript library)
Hi,
the OpenMeetings project would like to redistribute the jQuery Plugin
"Fullcalendar":
http://arshaw.com/fullcalendar/
As part of its distribution. Which itself should not be a problem:
http://www.apache.org/legal/3party.html#category-a
But we also might need to modify some of the source code to fit our needs.
Are we allowed to do that?
Are there changes to NOTES files needed when we do that ?
I've somebody knows an answer to that or pointers to the FAQ where this
would be covered, I would much appreciate.
But I think the FAQ don't cover that topic yet.
Thanks,
Sebastian
--
Sebastian Wagner
https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
http://www.webbase-design.de
http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
seba.wagner@gmail.com
Re: Redistributing modified MIT licensed code (JavaScript library)
Posted by Kevan Miller <ke...@gmail.com>.
On Jul 31, 2013, at 5:49 PM, Craig L Russell <cr...@oracle.com> wrote:
> Hi Sebastian,
>
> The MIT license is very permissive, and allows you (us) to modify and sublicense etc etc with the only restriction being the NOTICE requirement. There is no reciprocity requirement for the MIT license so change it as you see fit.
>
> So imho as long as you properly identify the code and its license in the project NOTICE and LICENSE files of the distribution you are fine.
Agreed. Sebastian, as noted in the url you included, category A licenses are approved in both binary *and* source form.
--kevan
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Re: Redistributing modified MIT licensed code (JavaScript library)
Posted by Craig L Russell <cr...@oracle.com>.
Hi Sebastian,
The MIT license is very permissive, and allows you (us) to modify and sublicense etc etc with the only restriction being the NOTICE requirement. There is no reciprocity requirement for the MIT license so change it as you see fit.
So imho as long as you properly identify the code and its license in the project NOTICE and LICENSE files of the distribution you are fine.
Craig
On Jul 31, 2013, at 5:36 PM, seba.wagner@gmail.com wrote:
> Hi,
>
> the OpenMeetings project would like to redistribute the jQuery Plugin "Fullcalendar":
> http://arshaw.com/fullcalendar/
>
> As part of its distribution. Which itself should not be a problem:
> http://www.apache.org/legal/3party.html#category-a
>
> But we also might need to modify some of the source code to fit our needs.
>
> Are we allowed to do that?
> Are there changes to NOTES files needed when we do that ?
>
> I've somebody knows an answer to that or pointers to the FAQ where this would be covered, I would much appreciate.
> But I think the FAQ don't cover that topic yet.
>
> Thanks,
> Sebastian
> --
> Sebastian Wagner
> https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> http://www.webbase-design.de
> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> seba.wagner@gmail.com
Craig L Russell
Architect, Oracle
http://db.apache.org/jdo
408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@oracle.com
P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp!
Re: Redistributing modified MIT licensed code (JavaScript library)
Posted by Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com>.
I actively talk with Sebastien (the author of wicket-jquery-ui).
His project consist of different parts with different licences (for example
Kendo* plugins are GPLv3 licensed)
I only took parts licenced under compitible licenses.
I can write him a letter to add NOTICE, should I?
For the changes to the FullCalendar I would:
1) read the documentation (it has 'ignoretimezone' option which might help
2) take a look at the current issues, for ex. this one
https://github.com/arshaw/fullcalendar/pull/92
3) propose the patch to the author
4) hacking ourselves :)
On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 8:48 AM, seba.wagner@gmail.com <seba.wagner@gmail.com
> wrote:
> Okay but it seems like it is Apache Licensed:
> https://code.google.com/p/wicket-jquery-ui/
>
> But wicket-jquery-ui includes other libraries that are under the MIT
> license. So he would need a NOTICE file (According to our rules).
>
> Its really a bit messy, I think we should clean that up and add the
> FullCalendar to our NOTICE file to make sure nobody raises concerns about
> the legal status of our project.
>
> Sebastian
>
>
> 2013/8/1 seba.wagner@gmail.com <se...@gmail.com>
>
> > I am afraid some of our changes that are required for instance for making
> > it timezone safe will be much easier if we simply do it.
> > And also their use will be relatively limited to what we want to do with
> > it. So its unlikely that it will be useful for anybody else.
> >
> > We can then discuss how and when those changes will become part of
> > wicket-jquery-ui.
> >
> > For me it seems like the author of wicket-jquery-ui does not care about
> > the license at all. There is not even a License file or any kind of
> header
> > in the source code of his file.
> > So in theory that can literally mean that he can decide tomorrow he will
> > license it under whatever he wants it to be.
> >
> > That is a bit scary for us. We can't just include a library without
> having
> > a correct attribution of the License.
> >
> > I know there was put a bit of effort into using this library now, but if
> > we release it and there will be doubts raised about this it could mean we
> > have to replace the entire library.
> >
> > Was anybody able to actively talk to the author of that wicket-jquery-ui
> ?
> > Cause if that guy does not respond to any emails its really kind of
> > dangerous to base our application on the hope he will not suddenly change
> > his mind and put the code under a license we don't like.
> >
> > Sebastian
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 2013/8/1 Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com>
> >
> >> Hello Sebastian!
> >>
> >> we actually do not distribute the fullcalendar.js.
> >> We are using wicket-jquery-ui which ships fullcalendar for as.
> >>
> >> Despite wicket-jquery-ui allows to replace almost any resource with
> custom
> >> one, I would start from proposing our patch to the author since it would
> >> be
> >> easier to maintain in the future. (Already was done with
> wicket-jquery-ui,
> >> wicket and some jquery libraries)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 7:36 AM, seba.wagner@gmail.com <
> >> seba.wagner@gmail.com
> >> > wrote:
> >>
> >> > Hi,
> >> >
> >> > the OpenMeetings project would like to redistribute the jQuery Plugin
> >> > "Fullcalendar":
> >> > http://arshaw.com/fullcalendar/
> >> >
> >> > As part of its distribution. Which itself should not be a problem:
> >> > http://www.apache.org/legal/3party.html#category-a
> >> >
> >> > But we also might need to modify some of the source code to fit our
> >> needs.
> >> >
> >> > Are we allowed to do that?
> >> > Are there changes to NOTES files needed when we do that ?
> >> >
> >> > I've somebody knows an answer to that or pointers to the FAQ where
> this
> >> > would be covered, I would much appreciate.
> >> > But I think the FAQ don't cover that topic yet.
> >> >
> >> > Thanks,
> >> > Sebastian
> >> > --
> >> > Sebastian Wagner
> >> > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> >> > http://www.webbase-design.de
> >> > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> >> > seba.wagner@gmail.com
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> WBR
> >> Maxim aka solomax
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Sebastian Wagner
> > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> > http://www.webbase-design.de
> > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> > seba.wagner@gmail.com
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Sebastian Wagner
> https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> http://www.webbase-design.de
> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> seba.wagner@gmail.com
>
--
WBR
Maxim aka solomax
Re: Redistributing modified MIT licensed code (JavaScript library)
Posted by "seba.wagner@gmail.com" <se...@gmail.com>.
Okay but it seems like it is Apache Licensed:
https://code.google.com/p/wicket-jquery-ui/
But wicket-jquery-ui includes other libraries that are under the MIT
license. So he would need a NOTICE file (According to our rules).
Its really a bit messy, I think we should clean that up and add the
FullCalendar to our NOTICE file to make sure nobody raises concerns about
the legal status of our project.
Sebastian
2013/8/1 seba.wagner@gmail.com <se...@gmail.com>
> I am afraid some of our changes that are required for instance for making
> it timezone safe will be much easier if we simply do it.
> And also their use will be relatively limited to what we want to do with
> it. So its unlikely that it will be useful for anybody else.
>
> We can then discuss how and when those changes will become part of
> wicket-jquery-ui.
>
> For me it seems like the author of wicket-jquery-ui does not care about
> the license at all. There is not even a License file or any kind of header
> in the source code of his file.
> So in theory that can literally mean that he can decide tomorrow he will
> license it under whatever he wants it to be.
>
> That is a bit scary for us. We can't just include a library without having
> a correct attribution of the License.
>
> I know there was put a bit of effort into using this library now, but if
> we release it and there will be doubts raised about this it could mean we
> have to replace the entire library.
>
> Was anybody able to actively talk to the author of that wicket-jquery-ui ?
> Cause if that guy does not respond to any emails its really kind of
> dangerous to base our application on the hope he will not suddenly change
> his mind and put the code under a license we don't like.
>
> Sebastian
>
>
>
>
>
> 2013/8/1 Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com>
>
>> Hello Sebastian!
>>
>> we actually do not distribute the fullcalendar.js.
>> We are using wicket-jquery-ui which ships fullcalendar for as.
>>
>> Despite wicket-jquery-ui allows to replace almost any resource with custom
>> one, I would start from proposing our patch to the author since it would
>> be
>> easier to maintain in the future. (Already was done with wicket-jquery-ui,
>> wicket and some jquery libraries)
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 7:36 AM, seba.wagner@gmail.com <
>> seba.wagner@gmail.com
>> > wrote:
>>
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > the OpenMeetings project would like to redistribute the jQuery Plugin
>> > "Fullcalendar":
>> > http://arshaw.com/fullcalendar/
>> >
>> > As part of its distribution. Which itself should not be a problem:
>> > http://www.apache.org/legal/3party.html#category-a
>> >
>> > But we also might need to modify some of the source code to fit our
>> needs.
>> >
>> > Are we allowed to do that?
>> > Are there changes to NOTES files needed when we do that ?
>> >
>> > I've somebody knows an answer to that or pointers to the FAQ where this
>> > would be covered, I would much appreciate.
>> > But I think the FAQ don't cover that topic yet.
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > Sebastian
>> > --
>> > Sebastian Wagner
>> > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
>> > http://www.webbase-design.de
>> > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
>> > seba.wagner@gmail.com
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> WBR
>> Maxim aka solomax
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Sebastian Wagner
> https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> http://www.webbase-design.de
> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> seba.wagner@gmail.com
>
--
Sebastian Wagner
https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
http://www.webbase-design.de
http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
seba.wagner@gmail.com
Re: Redistributing modified MIT licensed code (JavaScript library)
Posted by "seba.wagner@gmail.com" <se...@gmail.com>.
I am afraid some of our changes that are required for instance for making
it timezone safe will be much easier if we simply do it.
And also their use will be relatively limited to what we want to do with
it. So its unlikely that it will be useful for anybody else.
We can then discuss how and when those changes will become part of
wicket-jquery-ui.
For me it seems like the author of wicket-jquery-ui does not care about the
license at all. There is not even a License file or any kind of header in
the source code of his file.
So in theory that can literally mean that he can decide tomorrow he will
license it under whatever he wants it to be.
That is a bit scary for us. We can't just include a library without having
a correct attribution of the License.
I know there was put a bit of effort into using this library now, but if we
release it and there will be doubts raised about this it could mean we have
to replace the entire library.
Was anybody able to actively talk to the author of that wicket-jquery-ui ?
Cause if that guy does not respond to any emails its really kind of
dangerous to base our application on the hope he will not suddenly change
his mind and put the code under a license we don't like.
Sebastian
2013/8/1 Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com>
> Hello Sebastian!
>
> we actually do not distribute the fullcalendar.js.
> We are using wicket-jquery-ui which ships fullcalendar for as.
>
> Despite wicket-jquery-ui allows to replace almost any resource with custom
> one, I would start from proposing our patch to the author since it would be
> easier to maintain in the future. (Already was done with wicket-jquery-ui,
> wicket and some jquery libraries)
>
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 7:36 AM, seba.wagner@gmail.com <
> seba.wagner@gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > the OpenMeetings project would like to redistribute the jQuery Plugin
> > "Fullcalendar":
> > http://arshaw.com/fullcalendar/
> >
> > As part of its distribution. Which itself should not be a problem:
> > http://www.apache.org/legal/3party.html#category-a
> >
> > But we also might need to modify some of the source code to fit our
> needs.
> >
> > Are we allowed to do that?
> > Are there changes to NOTES files needed when we do that ?
> >
> > I've somebody knows an answer to that or pointers to the FAQ where this
> > would be covered, I would much appreciate.
> > But I think the FAQ don't cover that topic yet.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Sebastian
> > --
> > Sebastian Wagner
> > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> > http://www.webbase-design.de
> > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> > seba.wagner@gmail.com
> >
>
>
>
> --
> WBR
> Maxim aka solomax
>
--
Sebastian Wagner
https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
http://www.webbase-design.de
http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
seba.wagner@gmail.com
Re: Redistributing modified MIT licensed code (JavaScript library)
Posted by Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com>.
Hello Sebastian!
we actually do not distribute the fullcalendar.js.
We are using wicket-jquery-ui which ships fullcalendar for as.
Despite wicket-jquery-ui allows to replace almost any resource with custom
one, I would start from proposing our patch to the author since it would be
easier to maintain in the future. (Already was done with wicket-jquery-ui,
wicket and some jquery libraries)
On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 7:36 AM, seba.wagner@gmail.com <seba.wagner@gmail.com
> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> the OpenMeetings project would like to redistribute the jQuery Plugin
> "Fullcalendar":
> http://arshaw.com/fullcalendar/
>
> As part of its distribution. Which itself should not be a problem:
> http://www.apache.org/legal/3party.html#category-a
>
> But we also might need to modify some of the source code to fit our needs.
>
> Are we allowed to do that?
> Are there changes to NOTES files needed when we do that ?
>
> I've somebody knows an answer to that or pointers to the FAQ where this
> would be covered, I would much appreciate.
> But I think the FAQ don't cover that topic yet.
>
> Thanks,
> Sebastian
> --
> Sebastian Wagner
> https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> http://www.webbase-design.de
> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> seba.wagner@gmail.com
>
--
WBR
Maxim aka solomax
Re: Redistributing modified MIT licensed code (JavaScript library)
Posted by Craig L Russell <cr...@oracle.com>.
Hi Sebastian,
The MIT license is very permissive, and allows you (us) to modify and sublicense etc etc with the only restriction being the NOTICE requirement. There is no reciprocity requirement for the MIT license so change it as you see fit.
So imho as long as you properly identify the code and its license in the project NOTICE and LICENSE files of the distribution you are fine.
Craig
On Jul 31, 2013, at 5:36 PM, seba.wagner@gmail.com wrote:
> Hi,
>
> the OpenMeetings project would like to redistribute the jQuery Plugin "Fullcalendar":
> http://arshaw.com/fullcalendar/
>
> As part of its distribution. Which itself should not be a problem:
> http://www.apache.org/legal/3party.html#category-a
>
> But we also might need to modify some of the source code to fit our needs.
>
> Are we allowed to do that?
> Are there changes to NOTES files needed when we do that ?
>
> I've somebody knows an answer to that or pointers to the FAQ where this would be covered, I would much appreciate.
> But I think the FAQ don't cover that topic yet.
>
> Thanks,
> Sebastian
> --
> Sebastian Wagner
> https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> http://www.webbase-design.de
> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> seba.wagner@gmail.com
Craig L Russell
Architect, Oracle
http://db.apache.org/jdo
408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@oracle.com
P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp!