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AW: [VOTE] Change the name of the framework.
I changed my mind - my favorite now is CAUSEWAY.
(there is a reason to follow this path ;-)
-j
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Martin Willitts <ma...@zedify.co.uk>
Gesendet: Dienstag, 31. Mai 2022 22:08
An: users@isis.apache.org
Cc: dev@isis.apache.org
Betreff: Re: [VOTE] Change the name of the framework.
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Causeway is increasingly becoming my favourite. It’s easy to say with and without Apache first. It’s a well known word which it will be spelt correctly more easily. It doesn’t seem to come up as having weird or unfortunate connotation in Urban Dictionary. I like the hexagonal connection too.
/Martin Willitts
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Patrick Pliessnig <p....@gmail.com>
> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 26. Mai 2022 11:13
> An: users@isis.apache.org
> Cc: dev@isis.apache.org
> Betreff: Re: [VOTE] Change the name of the framework.
>
> EXTERNAL EMAIL
>
> "Alma" means different things to different people.
> As such it doesn't really transport a single idea.
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alma
>
> The islamic state "Isis" is a trend. But the River Thames and the Egyptian goddess will stay.
> So, there is no need to change the name.
>
> "Kokoro" is a trendy Japanese word.
> Apache Isis will hopefully live longer than this trend.
>
> A "Causeway" is here to stay and it transports quite a few simple ideas of the framework.
> Apache Isis website states:
>
> "But let’s not get distracted talking about methodologies. At the
> end of
> the day what really matters is communication between the domain experts
> (that is, the business) who need the system and the techies actually
> implementing it."
>
> The whole idea of the framwork is "to bridge" the gap between business and techies. A "Causeway" has a lot of marketing value.
>
> Hence, I prefer Causeway or stay with Isis.
>
> Thanks
> Patrick
>
> Am 24.05.2022 um 10:46 schrieb Dan Haywood:
>> Hi folks,
>>
>> We've talked a lot about changing the name of the framework, see for
>> example ISIS-1303 [1]. So this thread, is, finally, to start the
>> process
>>
>> There have been an awful lot of suggestions; talking
>> informally/offline with the other committers, we think there are a
>> few front-runners. So the vote below lists these, but if none appeal
>> then you can vote for something else.
>>
>> So, please cast vote your vote for one of the following:
>>
>> 1. change the framework's name to Apache *Alma* 2. change the
>> framework's name to Apache *Causeway* 3. change the framework's name
>> to Apache *Kokoro*
>> 4 *don't change *the framework's name 5. do change the framework's
>> name, but I don't like any of them, give me some *other choices*!
>>
>> Background on the first three choices:
>>
>> *Alma* - technically speaking, is a piece of wood (a little round
>> pole) within a stringed instrument such as a violin [2], connecting
>> the soundboards etc. What it means though "heart" or "soul" -think
>> "alma mater", so the metaphor is that we are connecting business with
>> technology, or acting as the heart of the business.
>>
>> *Causeway* - taken from the Giant's Causeway in Northern Ireland, a
>> geological feature characterised by hexagonal basalt columns [3].
>> The metaphor here is again "causeway" meaning bridge, but the
>> hexagons also are reminiscent of the hexagonal architecture common to DDD.
>>
>> *Kokoro* - is a Japanese word meaning something connecting heart,
>> mind, body and spirit [4]. It has been trendy in the past to use Japanese words.
>>
>> In case anyone wants a reminder, our current name *Isis* comes from
>> the name of the River Thames as it wanders through Oxford (the
>> original authors of the framework all used to live in Oxfordshire).
>> Isis of course was an Egyptian goddess [5].
>>
>> For voting, hopefully there will be a clear winner, but it might make
>> sense to rank your preferences. If there are no clear winners then,
>> well, we'll go round the loop - we don't want to force through a
>> change that no-one is happy with.
>>
>> Normally votes are at least 72 hours, but we intend to keep this one
>> open longer than that, at least we've had a few contributions to the thread.
>> Only committers to the framework have a formal vote, but it'd be good
>> to hear the views of as many users of the framework as we can.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Dan (co-drafted with Johan).
>>
>>
>>
>> [1]https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/ISIS-1303
>> [2]
>> https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-odn0l-W5zow/Wmim3CiDJNI/AAAAAAAAG8c/ZiJPbH
>> S bhHUEumzpxw1ZYNmIfb8IXnBjQCLcBGAs/s1600/20120919201309.jpg
>> [3]
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giant%27s_Causeway#/media/File:Causeway
>> -
>> code_poet-4.jpg
>> [4]
>> https://qz.com/946438/kokoro-a-japanese-word-connecting-mind-body-and
>> - spirit-is-also-driving-scientific-discovery/
>> [5]
>> https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isis#:~:text=Isis%20is%20a%20goddes
>> s %20in,greatest%20goddesses%20of%20Ancient%20Egypt
>> .
>>
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Re: [VOTE] Change the name of the framework.
Posted by Dan Haywood <da...@haywood-associates.co.uk>.
OK, thanks Joerg.
That means that Causeway and Alma are pretty much neck and neck ...
preferences thus far are:
1. Causeway: Andy*, Dan*, Joerg*, Patrick, Martin W
2. Alma : Johan*, Oscar*, Struberg*, Brian K, Fernando, Martin H
3. Kokoro : Dhruv
* = committer/PMC member. Only these formally count, but we want to hear
as many voices as possible.
On Wed, 1 Jun 2022 at 11:20, Rade, Joerg / Kuehne + Nagel / Ham MI-DD <
Joerg.Rade@kuehne-nagel.com> wrote:
> I changed my mind - my favorite now is CAUSEWAY.
>
> (there is a reason to follow this path ;-)
> -j
>
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Martin Willitts <ma...@zedify.co.uk>
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 31. Mai 2022 22:08
> An: users@isis.apache.org
> Cc: dev@isis.apache.org
> Betreff: Re: [VOTE] Change the name of the framework.
>
> EXTERNAL EMAIL
>
> Causeway is increasingly becoming my favourite. It’s easy to say with and
> without Apache first. It’s a well known word which it will be spelt
> correctly more easily. It doesn’t seem to come up as having weird or
> unfortunate connotation in Urban Dictionary. I like the hexagonal
> connection too.
>
> /Martin Willitts
>
> > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> > Von: Patrick Pliessnig <p....@gmail.com>
> > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 26. Mai 2022 11:13
> > An: users@isis.apache.org
> > Cc: dev@isis.apache.org
> > Betreff: Re: [VOTE] Change the name of the framework.
> >
> > EXTERNAL EMAIL
> >
> > "Alma" means different things to different people.
> > As such it doesn't really transport a single idea.
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alma
> >
> > The islamic state "Isis" is a trend. But the River Thames and the
> Egyptian goddess will stay.
> > So, there is no need to change the name.
> >
> > "Kokoro" is a trendy Japanese word.
> > Apache Isis will hopefully live longer than this trend.
> >
> > A "Causeway" is here to stay and it transports quite a few simple ideas
> of the framework.
> > Apache Isis website states:
> >
> > "But let’s not get distracted talking about methodologies. At the
> > end of
> > the day what really matters is communication between the domain
> experts
> > (that is, the business) who need the system and the techies actually
> > implementing it."
> >
> > The whole idea of the framwork is "to bridge" the gap between business
> and techies. A "Causeway" has a lot of marketing value.
> >
> > Hence, I prefer Causeway or stay with Isis.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Patrick
> >
> > Am 24.05.2022 um 10:46 schrieb Dan Haywood:
> >> Hi folks,
> >>
> >> We've talked a lot about changing the name of the framework, see for
> >> example ISIS-1303 [1]. So this thread, is, finally, to start the
> >> process
> >>
> >> There have been an awful lot of suggestions; talking
> >> informally/offline with the other committers, we think there are a
> >> few front-runners. So the vote below lists these, but if none appeal
> >> then you can vote for something else.
> >>
> >> So, please cast vote your vote for one of the following:
> >>
> >> 1. change the framework's name to Apache *Alma* 2. change the
> >> framework's name to Apache *Causeway* 3. change the framework's name
> >> to Apache *Kokoro*
> >> 4 *don't change *the framework's name 5. do change the framework's
> >> name, but I don't like any of them, give me some *other choices*!
> >>
> >> Background on the first three choices:
> >>
> >> *Alma* - technically speaking, is a piece of wood (a little round
> >> pole) within a stringed instrument such as a violin [2], connecting
> >> the soundboards etc. What it means though "heart" or "soul" -think
> >> "alma mater", so the metaphor is that we are connecting business with
> >> technology, or acting as the heart of the business.
> >>
> >> *Causeway* - taken from the Giant's Causeway in Northern Ireland, a
> >> geological feature characterised by hexagonal basalt columns [3].
> >> The metaphor here is again "causeway" meaning bridge, but the
> >> hexagons also are reminiscent of the hexagonal architecture common to
> DDD.
> >>
> >> *Kokoro* - is a Japanese word meaning something connecting heart,
> >> mind, body and spirit [4]. It has been trendy in the past to use
> Japanese words.
> >>
> >> In case anyone wants a reminder, our current name *Isis* comes from
> >> the name of the River Thames as it wanders through Oxford (the
> >> original authors of the framework all used to live in Oxfordshire).
> >> Isis of course was an Egyptian goddess [5].
> >>
> >> For voting, hopefully there will be a clear winner, but it might make
> >> sense to rank your preferences. If there are no clear winners then,
> >> well, we'll go round the loop - we don't want to force through a
> >> change that no-one is happy with.
> >>
> >> Normally votes are at least 72 hours, but we intend to keep this one
> >> open longer than that, at least we've had a few contributions to the
> thread.
> >> Only committers to the framework have a formal vote, but it'd be good
> >> to hear the views of as many users of the framework as we can.
> >>
> >> Thanks
> >> Dan (co-drafted with Johan).
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> [1]https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/ISIS-1303
> >> [2]
> >> https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-odn0l-W5zow/Wmim3CiDJNI/AAAAAAAAG8c/ZiJPbH
> >> S bhHUEumzpxw1ZYNmIfb8IXnBjQCLcBGAs/s1600/20120919201309.jpg
> >> [3]
> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giant%27s_Causeway#/media/File:Causeway
> >> -
> >> code_poet-4.jpg
> >> [4]
> >> https://qz.com/946438/kokoro-a-japanese-word-connecting-mind-body-and
> >> - spirit-is-also-driving-scientific-discovery/
> >> [5]
> >> https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isis#:~:text=Isis%20is%20a%20goddes
> >> s %20in,greatest%20goddesses%20of%20Ancient%20Egypt
> >> .
> >>
> >
> > Kühne + Nagel (AG & Co.) KG
> > Rechtsform: Kommanditgesellschaft, Bremen HRA 21928, USt-IdNr.: DE
> 812773878.
> > Geschäftsleitung Kühne + Nagel (AG & Co.) KG: Holger Ketz (Vors.), Simon
> Bitter, Martin Brinkmann, Lars-Olof Grün, Matthias Knicky, Axel Krichel,
> Johannes Trimborn, Lars Wedel.
> > Persönlich haftende Gesellschafterin: Kühne & Nagel A.G., Rechtsform:
> Aktiengesellschaft nach luxemburgischem Recht, HR-Nr.: B 18745,
> Geschäftsführendes Verwaltungsratsmitglied: Karl Gernandt.
> > Geschäftsleitung Region Europa: Dr. Hansjörg Rodi (Vors.), Ants Anupold,
> Dominic Edmonds, Thierry Held, Richard Huhn, Jan-Hendrik Köstergarten,
> Nicholas Minde, André Schiffer, Heiko Schuhmacher.
> >
> > Wir arbeiten ausschließlich auf Grundlage der Allgemeinen Deutschen
> Spediteurbedingungen 2017 (ADSp 2017). Hinweis: Die ADSp 2017 weichen in
> Ziffer 23 hinsichtlich des Haftungshöchstbetrages für Güterschäden (§ 431
> HGB) vom Gesetz ab, indem sie die Haftung bei multimodalen Transporten
> unter Einschluss einer Seebeförderung und bei unbekanntem Schadenort auf 2
> SZR/kg und im Übrigen die Regelhaftung von 8,33 SZR/kg zusätzlich auf 1,25
> Millionen Euro je Schadenfall sowie 2,5 Millionen Euro je Schadenereignis,
> mindestens aber 2 SZR/kg, beschränken. Die ADSp sind auf unserer Webseite
> als Download erhältlich. Auf Anfrage senden wir Ihnen diese auch gerne zu.
>
>
Re: [VOTE] Change the name of the framework.
Posted by Dan Haywood <da...@haywood-associates.co.uk>.
OK, thanks Joerg.
That means that Causeway and Alma are pretty much neck and neck ...
preferences thus far are:
1. Causeway: Andy*, Dan*, Joerg*, Patrick, Martin W
2. Alma : Johan*, Oscar*, Struberg*, Brian K, Fernando, Martin H
3. Kokoro : Dhruv
* = committer/PMC member. Only these formally count, but we want to hear
as many voices as possible.
On Wed, 1 Jun 2022 at 11:20, Rade, Joerg / Kuehne + Nagel / Ham MI-DD <
Joerg.Rade@kuehne-nagel.com> wrote:
> I changed my mind - my favorite now is CAUSEWAY.
>
> (there is a reason to follow this path ;-)
> -j
>
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Martin Willitts <ma...@zedify.co.uk>
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 31. Mai 2022 22:08
> An: users@isis.apache.org
> Cc: dev@isis.apache.org
> Betreff: Re: [VOTE] Change the name of the framework.
>
> EXTERNAL EMAIL
>
> Causeway is increasingly becoming my favourite. It’s easy to say with and
> without Apache first. It’s a well known word which it will be spelt
> correctly more easily. It doesn’t seem to come up as having weird or
> unfortunate connotation in Urban Dictionary. I like the hexagonal
> connection too.
>
> /Martin Willitts
>
> > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> > Von: Patrick Pliessnig <p....@gmail.com>
> > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 26. Mai 2022 11:13
> > An: users@isis.apache.org
> > Cc: dev@isis.apache.org
> > Betreff: Re: [VOTE] Change the name of the framework.
> >
> > EXTERNAL EMAIL
> >
> > "Alma" means different things to different people.
> > As such it doesn't really transport a single idea.
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alma
> >
> > The islamic state "Isis" is a trend. But the River Thames and the
> Egyptian goddess will stay.
> > So, there is no need to change the name.
> >
> > "Kokoro" is a trendy Japanese word.
> > Apache Isis will hopefully live longer than this trend.
> >
> > A "Causeway" is here to stay and it transports quite a few simple ideas
> of the framework.
> > Apache Isis website states:
> >
> > "But let’s not get distracted talking about methodologies. At the
> > end of
> > the day what really matters is communication between the domain
> experts
> > (that is, the business) who need the system and the techies actually
> > implementing it."
> >
> > The whole idea of the framwork is "to bridge" the gap between business
> and techies. A "Causeway" has a lot of marketing value.
> >
> > Hence, I prefer Causeway or stay with Isis.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Patrick
> >
> > Am 24.05.2022 um 10:46 schrieb Dan Haywood:
> >> Hi folks,
> >>
> >> We've talked a lot about changing the name of the framework, see for
> >> example ISIS-1303 [1]. So this thread, is, finally, to start the
> >> process
> >>
> >> There have been an awful lot of suggestions; talking
> >> informally/offline with the other committers, we think there are a
> >> few front-runners. So the vote below lists these, but if none appeal
> >> then you can vote for something else.
> >>
> >> So, please cast vote your vote for one of the following:
> >>
> >> 1. change the framework's name to Apache *Alma* 2. change the
> >> framework's name to Apache *Causeway* 3. change the framework's name
> >> to Apache *Kokoro*
> >> 4 *don't change *the framework's name 5. do change the framework's
> >> name, but I don't like any of them, give me some *other choices*!
> >>
> >> Background on the first three choices:
> >>
> >> *Alma* - technically speaking, is a piece of wood (a little round
> >> pole) within a stringed instrument such as a violin [2], connecting
> >> the soundboards etc. What it means though "heart" or "soul" -think
> >> "alma mater", so the metaphor is that we are connecting business with
> >> technology, or acting as the heart of the business.
> >>
> >> *Causeway* - taken from the Giant's Causeway in Northern Ireland, a
> >> geological feature characterised by hexagonal basalt columns [3].
> >> The metaphor here is again "causeway" meaning bridge, but the
> >> hexagons also are reminiscent of the hexagonal architecture common to
> DDD.
> >>
> >> *Kokoro* - is a Japanese word meaning something connecting heart,
> >> mind, body and spirit [4]. It has been trendy in the past to use
> Japanese words.
> >>
> >> In case anyone wants a reminder, our current name *Isis* comes from
> >> the name of the River Thames as it wanders through Oxford (the
> >> original authors of the framework all used to live in Oxfordshire).
> >> Isis of course was an Egyptian goddess [5].
> >>
> >> For voting, hopefully there will be a clear winner, but it might make
> >> sense to rank your preferences. If there are no clear winners then,
> >> well, we'll go round the loop - we don't want to force through a
> >> change that no-one is happy with.
> >>
> >> Normally votes are at least 72 hours, but we intend to keep this one
> >> open longer than that, at least we've had a few contributions to the
> thread.
> >> Only committers to the framework have a formal vote, but it'd be good
> >> to hear the views of as many users of the framework as we can.
> >>
> >> Thanks
> >> Dan (co-drafted with Johan).
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> [1]https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/ISIS-1303
> >> [2]
> >> https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-odn0l-W5zow/Wmim3CiDJNI/AAAAAAAAG8c/ZiJPbH
> >> S bhHUEumzpxw1ZYNmIfb8IXnBjQCLcBGAs/s1600/20120919201309.jpg
> >> [3]
> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giant%27s_Causeway#/media/File:Causeway
> >> -
> >> code_poet-4.jpg
> >> [4]
> >> https://qz.com/946438/kokoro-a-japanese-word-connecting-mind-body-and
> >> - spirit-is-also-driving-scientific-discovery/
> >> [5]
> >> https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isis#:~:text=Isis%20is%20a%20goddes
> >> s %20in,greatest%20goddesses%20of%20Ancient%20Egypt
> >> .
> >>
> >
> > Kühne + Nagel (AG & Co.) KG
> > Rechtsform: Kommanditgesellschaft, Bremen HRA 21928, USt-IdNr.: DE
> 812773878.
> > Geschäftsleitung Kühne + Nagel (AG & Co.) KG: Holger Ketz (Vors.), Simon
> Bitter, Martin Brinkmann, Lars-Olof Grün, Matthias Knicky, Axel Krichel,
> Johannes Trimborn, Lars Wedel.
> > Persönlich haftende Gesellschafterin: Kühne & Nagel A.G., Rechtsform:
> Aktiengesellschaft nach luxemburgischem Recht, HR-Nr.: B 18745,
> Geschäftsführendes Verwaltungsratsmitglied: Karl Gernandt.
> > Geschäftsleitung Region Europa: Dr. Hansjörg Rodi (Vors.), Ants Anupold,
> Dominic Edmonds, Thierry Held, Richard Huhn, Jan-Hendrik Köstergarten,
> Nicholas Minde, André Schiffer, Heiko Schuhmacher.
> >
> > Wir arbeiten ausschließlich auf Grundlage der Allgemeinen Deutschen
> Spediteurbedingungen 2017 (ADSp 2017). Hinweis: Die ADSp 2017 weichen in
> Ziffer 23 hinsichtlich des Haftungshöchstbetrages für Güterschäden (§ 431
> HGB) vom Gesetz ab, indem sie die Haftung bei multimodalen Transporten
> unter Einschluss einer Seebeförderung und bei unbekanntem Schadenort auf 2
> SZR/kg und im Übrigen die Regelhaftung von 8,33 SZR/kg zusätzlich auf 1,25
> Millionen Euro je Schadenfall sowie 2,5 Millionen Euro je Schadenereignis,
> mindestens aber 2 SZR/kg, beschränken. Die ADSp sind auf unserer Webseite
> als Download erhältlich. Auf Anfrage senden wir Ihnen diese auch gerne zu.
>
>