You are viewing a plain text version of this content. The canonical link for it is here.
Posted to users@tapestry.apache.org by Howard Lewis Ship <hl...@gmail.com> on 2011/05/02 19:10:18 UTC
What would YOU like to see in a four day Tapestry training course?
I'm planning on rewriting my Tapestry training materials for Tapestry
5.3, once it is stable. As
It will still be a four day course, but I want to change the approach
and emphasis. As always, I try to balance the needs of Tapestry (and
even Java Web Developer) new comers with the desire to keep it useful
and interesting for Tapestry journeymen and masters.
Think back to when you were first learning Tapestry 5 ... what kinds
of things would have made the biggest difference in your first few
days using Tapestry?
... and, BTW, my current course still really rocks and my next public
teach is coming up in London, starting July on 26:
http://skillsmatter.com/course/java-jee/tapestry-web-development
--
Howard M. Lewis Ship
Creator of Apache Tapestry
The source for Tapestry training, mentoring and support. Contact me to
learn how I can get you up and productive in Tapestry fast!
(971) 678-5210
http://howardlewisship.com
---------------------------------------------------------------------
To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscribe@tapestry.apache.org
For additional commands, e-mail: users-help@tapestry.apache.org
Re: What would YOU like to see in a four day Tapestry training course?
Posted by Howard Lewis Ship <hl...@gmail.com>.
On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 10:40 AM, Adam Zimowski <zi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> When we were looking at your course Howard, seemed perfectly fit,
> covering all basics of the framework, very well. Therefore, not much
> to comment on your question IMO since it's hard to improve something
> already very good.
Wel, thanks!
>
> However, I see a lot of value in offering an advanced course, focusing
> mostly around IOC container, analyzing and explaining Tapestry source
> code. Debugging the framework, and implementing advanced concepts,
> such composition over inheritance, custom annotations, etc etc....
>
You can imagine how difficult it is to devise examples that make
sense, are encapsulated enough to be used in a lab or otherwise
understood, but still represent the kinds of things that real
applications require. I do go into quite a bit of detail on Tapestry
internals (in the final session, which is not lab based), including
all the request processing pipelines.
Some of these things are better handled, I think, as custom mentoring
sessions rather than my attempt at a one-size-fits-all course.
> Good example of practical material for such advanced course would be
> recent examples from Taha's blog.
>
> Adam
>
> On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 12:35 PM, Howard Lewis Ship <hl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Well ... based on these comments, I don't need to change a thing :-)
>>
>> On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 6:26 AM, Joost Schouten (ml)
>> <jo...@jsportal.com> wrote:
>>> In my early days I would have liked someone to have emphasized:
>>>
>>> - onActivate and onPassivate so I would have stuffed less into my sessions.
>>> - How components can interact with their containers and @Environmental
>>> services. I initially ended up building components that needed to know too
>>> much about their containers.
>>> - the power of Block's and how they are great for passing as parameters and
>>> page/component buildups. How they can elminiate the need for template t:if
>>> tags when used with delegate's
>>> - And how easy it is to build a @Inject'able tapestry service to wrap your
>>> legacy code. A new user might be a bit put off when confronted with
>>> tapestry-hibernate, tapestry-security if they already have all this in place
>>> in spring or something else.
>>>
>>> Good luck,
>>> Joost
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2/05/11 7:10 PM, Howard Lewis Ship wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I'm planning on rewriting my Tapestry training materials for Tapestry
>>>> 5.3, once it is stable. As
>>>>
>>>> It will still be a four day course, but I want to change the approach
>>>> and emphasis. As always, I try to balance the needs of Tapestry (and
>>>> even Java Web Developer) new comers with the desire to keep it useful
>>>> and interesting for Tapestry journeymen and masters.
>>>>
>>>> Think back to when you were first learning Tapestry 5 ... what kinds
>>>> of things would have made the biggest difference in your first few
>>>> days using Tapestry?
>>>>
>>>> ... and, BTW, my current course still really rocks and my next public
>>>> teach is coming up in London, starting July on 26:
>>>> http://skillsmatter.com/course/java-jee/tapestry-web-development
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscribe@tapestry.apache.org
>>> For additional commands, e-mail: users-help@tapestry.apache.org
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Howard M. Lewis Ship
>>
>> Creator of Apache Tapestry
>>
>> The source for Tapestry training, mentoring and support. Contact me to
>> learn how I can get you up and productive in Tapestry fast!
>>
>> (971) 678-5210
>> http://howardlewisship.com
>>
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscribe@tapestry.apache.org
>> For additional commands, e-mail: users-help@tapestry.apache.org
>>
>>
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscribe@tapestry.apache.org
> For additional commands, e-mail: users-help@tapestry.apache.org
>
>
--
Howard M. Lewis Ship
Creator of Apache Tapestry
The source for Tapestry training, mentoring and support. Contact me to
learn how I can get you up and productive in Tapestry fast!
(971) 678-5210
http://howardlewisship.com
---------------------------------------------------------------------
To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscribe@tapestry.apache.org
For additional commands, e-mail: users-help@tapestry.apache.org
Re: What would YOU like to see in a four day Tapestry training course?
Posted by Adam Zimowski <zi...@gmail.com>.
When we were looking at your course Howard, seemed perfectly fit,
covering all basics of the framework, very well. Therefore, not much
to comment on your question IMO since it's hard to improve something
already very good.
However, I see a lot of value in offering an advanced course, focusing
mostly around IOC container, analyzing and explaining Tapestry source
code. Debugging the framework, and implementing advanced concepts,
such composition over inheritance, custom annotations, etc etc....
Good example of practical material for such advanced course would be
recent examples from Taha's blog.
Adam
On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 12:35 PM, Howard Lewis Ship <hl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Well ... based on these comments, I don't need to change a thing :-)
>
> On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 6:26 AM, Joost Schouten (ml)
> <jo...@jsportal.com> wrote:
>> In my early days I would have liked someone to have emphasized:
>>
>> - onActivate and onPassivate so I would have stuffed less into my sessions.
>> - How components can interact with their containers and @Environmental
>> services. I initially ended up building components that needed to know too
>> much about their containers.
>> - the power of Block's and how they are great for passing as parameters and
>> page/component buildups. How they can elminiate the need for template t:if
>> tags when used with delegate's
>> - And how easy it is to build a @Inject'able tapestry service to wrap your
>> legacy code. A new user might be a bit put off when confronted with
>> tapestry-hibernate, tapestry-security if they already have all this in place
>> in spring or something else.
>>
>> Good luck,
>> Joost
>>
>>
>> On 2/05/11 7:10 PM, Howard Lewis Ship wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm planning on rewriting my Tapestry training materials for Tapestry
>>> 5.3, once it is stable. As
>>>
>>> It will still be a four day course, but I want to change the approach
>>> and emphasis. As always, I try to balance the needs of Tapestry (and
>>> even Java Web Developer) new comers with the desire to keep it useful
>>> and interesting for Tapestry journeymen and masters.
>>>
>>> Think back to when you were first learning Tapestry 5 ... what kinds
>>> of things would have made the biggest difference in your first few
>>> days using Tapestry?
>>>
>>> ... and, BTW, my current course still really rocks and my next public
>>> teach is coming up in London, starting July on 26:
>>> http://skillsmatter.com/course/java-jee/tapestry-web-development
>>>
>>
>>
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscribe@tapestry.apache.org
>> For additional commands, e-mail: users-help@tapestry.apache.org
>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Howard M. Lewis Ship
>
> Creator of Apache Tapestry
>
> The source for Tapestry training, mentoring and support. Contact me to
> learn how I can get you up and productive in Tapestry fast!
>
> (971) 678-5210
> http://howardlewisship.com
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscribe@tapestry.apache.org
> For additional commands, e-mail: users-help@tapestry.apache.org
>
>
---------------------------------------------------------------------
To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscribe@tapestry.apache.org
For additional commands, e-mail: users-help@tapestry.apache.org
Re: What would YOU like to see in a four day Tapestry training course?
Posted by Howard Lewis Ship <hl...@gmail.com>.
Well ... based on these comments, I don't need to change a thing :-)
On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 6:26 AM, Joost Schouten (ml)
<jo...@jsportal.com> wrote:
> In my early days I would have liked someone to have emphasized:
>
> - onActivate and onPassivate so I would have stuffed less into my sessions.
> - How components can interact with their containers and @Environmental
> services. I initially ended up building components that needed to know too
> much about their containers.
> - the power of Block's and how they are great for passing as parameters and
> page/component buildups. How they can elminiate the need for template t:if
> tags when used with delegate's
> - And how easy it is to build a @Inject'able tapestry service to wrap your
> legacy code. A new user might be a bit put off when confronted with
> tapestry-hibernate, tapestry-security if they already have all this in place
> in spring or something else.
>
> Good luck,
> Joost
>
>
> On 2/05/11 7:10 PM, Howard Lewis Ship wrote:
>>
>> I'm planning on rewriting my Tapestry training materials for Tapestry
>> 5.3, once it is stable. As
>>
>> It will still be a four day course, but I want to change the approach
>> and emphasis. As always, I try to balance the needs of Tapestry (and
>> even Java Web Developer) new comers with the desire to keep it useful
>> and interesting for Tapestry journeymen and masters.
>>
>> Think back to when you were first learning Tapestry 5 ... what kinds
>> of things would have made the biggest difference in your first few
>> days using Tapestry?
>>
>> ... and, BTW, my current course still really rocks and my next public
>> teach is coming up in London, starting July on 26:
>> http://skillsmatter.com/course/java-jee/tapestry-web-development
>>
>
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscribe@tapestry.apache.org
> For additional commands, e-mail: users-help@tapestry.apache.org
>
>
--
Howard M. Lewis Ship
Creator of Apache Tapestry
The source for Tapestry training, mentoring and support. Contact me to
learn how I can get you up and productive in Tapestry fast!
(971) 678-5210
http://howardlewisship.com
---------------------------------------------------------------------
To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscribe@tapestry.apache.org
For additional commands, e-mail: users-help@tapestry.apache.org
Re: What would YOU like to see in a four day Tapestry training course?
Posted by "Joost Schouten (ml)" <jo...@jsportal.com>.
In my early days I would have liked someone to have emphasized:
- onActivate and onPassivate so I would have stuffed less into my sessions.
- How components can interact with their containers and @Environmental
services. I initially ended up building components that needed to know
too much about their containers.
- the power of Block's and how they are great for passing as parameters
and page/component buildups. How they can elminiate the need for
template t:if tags when used with delegate's
- And how easy it is to build a @Inject'able tapestry service to wrap
your legacy code. A new user might be a bit put off when confronted with
tapestry-hibernate, tapestry-security if they already have all this in
place in spring or something else.
Good luck,
Joost
On 2/05/11 7:10 PM, Howard Lewis Ship wrote:
> I'm planning on rewriting my Tapestry training materials for Tapestry
> 5.3, once it is stable. As
>
> It will still be a four day course, but I want to change the approach
> and emphasis. As always, I try to balance the needs of Tapestry (and
> even Java Web Developer) new comers with the desire to keep it useful
> and interesting for Tapestry journeymen and masters.
>
> Think back to when you were first learning Tapestry 5 ... what kinds
> of things would have made the biggest difference in your first few
> days using Tapestry?
>
> ... and, BTW, my current course still really rocks and my next public
> teach is coming up in London, starting July on 26:
> http://skillsmatter.com/course/java-jee/tapestry-web-development
>
---------------------------------------------------------------------
To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscribe@tapestry.apache.org
For additional commands, e-mail: users-help@tapestry.apache.org
Re: What would YOU like to see in a four day Tapestry training
course?
Posted by ael <al...@dash.com.ph>.
Me too i really don't understand what is services IOC & how to use it.
That's why i prefer to use HibernateSessionManager its much easier.
--
View this message in context: http://tapestry.1045711.n5.nabble.com/What-would-YOU-like-to-see-in-a-four-day-Tapestry-training-course-tp4365205p4365914.html
Sent from the Tapestry - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
---------------------------------------------------------------------
To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscribe@tapestry.apache.org
For additional commands, e-mail: users-help@tapestry.apache.org
Re: What would YOU like to see in a four day Tapestry training course?
Posted by Nicolas Barrera <nb...@gmail.com>.
When I first came across tapestry5 I got some trouble understanding that
everything was a component and even the simplicity
and coherence of the way of implementing a layout in tapestry made some
noise to me until I understood it right.
Tml things like ${} expression and the binding with it's variables was the
next step.
I think I started learning from the template or view side of the framework
and til now I 'm not so familiar with the services (ioc) part, I feel like
it's
kind of complicated and if I got the chance to learn it from it's creator it
would be great..., right now I think I can use tapestry to create web pages
but
I can't get it's most as I don't dominate ioc part.
so that's my 2 cents in favor to include some material on Services and IoC,
I could learn the other things by myself or reading quite easily,
but ioc part perhaps is not so easy to understand by your self.
that's my impression hope it helps,
cheers
Nicolás.-
On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 2:10 PM, Howard Lewis Ship <hl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm planning on rewriting my Tapestry training materials for Tapestry
> 5.3, once it is stable. As
>
> It will still be a four day course, but I want to change the approach
> and emphasis. As always, I try to balance the needs of Tapestry (and
> even Java Web Developer) new comers with the desire to keep it useful
> and interesting for Tapestry journeymen and masters.
>
> Think back to when you were first learning Tapestry 5 ... what kinds
> of things would have made the biggest difference in your first few
> days using Tapestry?
>
> ... and, BTW, my current course still really rocks and my next public
> teach is coming up in London, starting July on 26:
> http://skillsmatter.com/course/java-jee/tapestry-web-development
>
> --
> Howard M. Lewis Ship
>
> Creator of Apache Tapestry
>
> The source for Tapestry training, mentoring and support. Contact me to
> learn how I can get you up and productive in Tapestry fast!
>
> (971) 678-5210
> http://howardlewisship.com
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscribe@tapestry.apache.org
> For additional commands, e-mail: users-help@tapestry.apache.org
>
>