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Posted to dev@kafka.apache.org by Colin McCabe <cm...@apache.org> on 2020/01/10 00:23:08 UTC
[DISCUSS] KIP-555: Deprecate Direct Zookeeper access in Kafka Administrative Tools
Hi all,
I wrote KIP about deprecating the --zookeeper flag in the administrative tools. Take a look if you get a chance:
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/x/sotSC
best,
Colin
Re: [DISCUSS] KIP-555: Deprecate Direct Zookeeper access in Kafka Administrative Tools
Posted by Colin McCabe <cm...@apache.org>.
Hi Ron,
Good question. Fortunately, kafka-configs.sh already supports --bootstrap-server. It should have full functionality now without --zookeeper.
best,
Colin
On Fri, Jan 10, 2020, at 05:02, Ron Dagostino wrote:
> Hi Colin. Will there be replacement/alternate connectivity for
> kafka-configs.sh? Deprecating ZooKeeper access alone without adding
> "--bootstrap-server" (for example) would be insufficient, right?
>
> Ron
>
> On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 7:45 PM Jose Garcia Sancio <js...@confluent.io>
> wrote:
>
> > Thanks Colin,
> >
> > For the tools that only support zookeeper (zookeeper-security-migration.sh
> > and zookeeper-shell.sh) should we be deprecating the entire tool for
> > removal in a future 3.0 release?
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 4:24 PM Colin McCabe <cm...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > I wrote KIP about deprecating the --zookeeper flag in the administrative
> > > tools. Take a look if you get a chance:
> > >
> > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/x/sotSC
> > >
> > > best,
> > > Colin
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > -Jose
> >
>
Re: [DISCUSS] KIP-555: Deprecate Direct Zookeeper access in Kafka
Administrative Tools
Posted by Ron Dagostino <rn...@gmail.com>.
Hi Colin. Will there be replacement/alternate connectivity for
kafka-configs.sh? Deprecating ZooKeeper access alone without adding
"--bootstrap-server" (for example) would be insufficient, right?
Ron
On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 7:45 PM Jose Garcia Sancio <js...@confluent.io>
wrote:
> Thanks Colin,
>
> For the tools that only support zookeeper (zookeeper-security-migration.sh
> and zookeeper-shell.sh) should we be deprecating the entire tool for
> removal in a future 3.0 release?
>
> On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 4:24 PM Colin McCabe <cm...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I wrote KIP about deprecating the --zookeeper flag in the administrative
> > tools. Take a look if you get a chance:
> >
> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/x/sotSC
> >
> > best,
> > Colin
> >
>
>
> --
> -Jose
>
Re: [DISCUSS] KIP-555: Deprecate Direct Zookeeper access in Kafka Administrative Tools
Posted by Colin McCabe <cm...@apache.org>.
Hi Ron,
Yes, the KIP-455 command line changes will be in 2.5.
regards,
Colin
On Sat, Jan 11, 2020, at 03:21, Ron Dagostino wrote:
> <<<Fortunately, kafka-configs.sh already supports --bootstrap-server.
> Wow, I totally missed that! Great.
>
> Would the deprecation for kafka-reassign-partitions depend on KIP 455
> being merged?
>
> Ron
>
> > On Jan 10, 2020, at 8:25 PM, Mitchell <mi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > I"m very pro this. The sooner we can make people aware that zookeeper
> > is going away the better.
> > -mitch
> >
> >> On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 4:37 PM Jose Garcia Sancio <js...@confluent.io> wrote:
> >>
> >> Comments below.
> >>
> >>> On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 5:03 PM Colin McCabe <cm...@apache.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> That's a good question. The current plan is for the 3.x releases to still
> >>> require ZooKeeper. What we will drop in 3.x is direct ZK access in
> >>> command-line administrative tools (unless those tools are specifically
> >>> about administering ZK itself, like launching it, stopping it, editing its
> >>> internal settings, etc.)
> >> Makes sense to me. Thanks for the clarification.
> >>
> >> --
> >> -Jose
>
Re: [DISCUSS] KIP-555: Deprecate Direct Zookeeper access in Kafka Administrative Tools
Posted by Ron Dagostino <rn...@gmail.com>.
<<<Fortunately, kafka-configs.sh already supports --bootstrap-server.
Wow, I totally missed that! Great.
Would the deprecation for kafka-reassign-partitions depend on KIP 455 being merged?
Ron
> On Jan 10, 2020, at 8:25 PM, Mitchell <mi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I"m very pro this. The sooner we can make people aware that zookeeper
> is going away the better.
> -mitch
>
>> On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 4:37 PM Jose Garcia Sancio <js...@confluent.io> wrote:
>>
>> Comments below.
>>
>>> On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 5:03 PM Colin McCabe <cm...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> That's a good question. The current plan is for the 3.x releases to still
>>> require ZooKeeper. What we will drop in 3.x is direct ZK access in
>>> command-line administrative tools (unless those tools are specifically
>>> about administering ZK itself, like launching it, stopping it, editing its
>>> internal settings, etc.)
>> Makes sense to me. Thanks for the clarification.
>>
>> --
>> -Jose
Re: [DISCUSS] KIP-555: Deprecate Direct Zookeeper access in Kafka
Administrative Tools
Posted by Mitchell <mi...@gmail.com>.
I"m very pro this. The sooner we can make people aware that zookeeper
is going away the better.
-mitch
On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 4:37 PM Jose Garcia Sancio <js...@confluent.io> wrote:
>
> Comments below.
>
> On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 5:03 PM Colin McCabe <cm...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> > That's a good question. The current plan is for the 3.x releases to still
> > require ZooKeeper. What we will drop in 3.x is direct ZK access in
> > command-line administrative tools (unless those tools are specifically
> > about administering ZK itself, like launching it, stopping it, editing its
> > internal settings, etc.)
> >
> >
> Makes sense to me. Thanks for the clarification.
>
> --
> -Jose
Re: [DISCUSS] KIP-555: Deprecate Direct Zookeeper access in Kafka
Administrative Tools
Posted by Jose Garcia Sancio <js...@confluent.io>.
Comments below.
On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 5:03 PM Colin McCabe <cm...@apache.org> wrote:
> That's a good question. The current plan is for the 3.x releases to still
> require ZooKeeper. What we will drop in 3.x is direct ZK access in
> command-line administrative tools (unless those tools are specifically
> about administering ZK itself, like launching it, stopping it, editing its
> internal settings, etc.)
>
>
Makes sense to me. Thanks for the clarification.
--
-Jose
Re: [DISCUSS] KIP-555: Deprecate Direct Zookeeper access in Kafka Administrative Tools
Posted by Colin McCabe <cm...@apache.org>.
That's a good question. The current plan is for the 3.x releases to still require ZooKeeper. What we will drop in 3.x is direct ZK access in command-line administrative tools (unless those tools are specifically about administering ZK itself, like launching it, stopping it, editing its internal settings, etc.)
best,
Colin
On Thu, Jan 9, 2020, at 16:45, Jose Garcia Sancio wrote:
> Thanks Colin,
>
> For the tools that only support zookeeper (zookeeper-security-migration.sh
> and zookeeper-shell.sh) should we be deprecating the entire tool for
> removal in a future 3.0 release?
>
> On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 4:24 PM Colin McCabe <cm...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I wrote KIP about deprecating the --zookeeper flag in the administrative
> > tools. Take a look if you get a chance:
> >
> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/x/sotSC
> >
> > best,
> > Colin
> >
>
>
> --
> -Jose
>
Re: [DISCUSS] KIP-555: Deprecate Direct Zookeeper access in Kafka
Administrative Tools
Posted by Jose Garcia Sancio <js...@confluent.io>.
Thanks Colin,
For the tools that only support zookeeper (zookeeper-security-migration.sh
and zookeeper-shell.sh) should we be deprecating the entire tool for
removal in a future 3.0 release?
On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 4:24 PM Colin McCabe <cm...@apache.org> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I wrote KIP about deprecating the --zookeeper flag in the administrative
> tools. Take a look if you get a chance:
>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/x/sotSC
>
> best,
> Colin
>
--
-Jose
Re: [DISCUSS] KIP-555: Deprecate Direct Zookeeper access in Kafka Administrative Tools
Posted by Colin McCabe <cm...@apache.org>.
On Thu, Jan 9, 2020, at 16:46, Gwen Shapira wrote:
> I think you linked to the wrong KIP? Here's a link that worked for me:
> https://s.apache.org/ve15g
Oops! Thanks for the correction. That is indeed the right link.
Colin
>
> On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 4:24 PM Colin McCabe <cm...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I wrote KIP about deprecating the --zookeeper flag in the administrative tools. Take a look if you get a chance:
> >
> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/x/sotSC
> >
> > best,
> > Colin
>
Re: [DISCUSS] KIP-555: Deprecate Direct Zookeeper access in Kafka
Administrative Tools
Posted by Gwen Shapira <gw...@confluent.io>.
I think you linked to the wrong KIP? Here's a link that worked for me:
https://s.apache.org/ve15g
On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 4:24 PM Colin McCabe <cm...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I wrote KIP about deprecating the --zookeeper flag in the administrative tools. Take a look if you get a chance:
>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/x/sotSC
>
> best,
> Colin