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Posted to dev@kafka.apache.org by Colin McCabe <cm...@apache.org> on 2020/01/10 00:23:08 UTC

[DISCUSS] KIP-555: Deprecate Direct Zookeeper access in Kafka Administrative Tools

Hi all,

I wrote KIP about deprecating the --zookeeper flag in the administrative tools.  Take a look if you get a chance:

https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/x/sotSC

best,
Colin

Re: [DISCUSS] KIP-555: Deprecate Direct Zookeeper access in Kafka Administrative Tools

Posted by Colin McCabe <cm...@apache.org>.
Hi Ron,

Good question.  Fortunately, kafka-configs.sh already supports --bootstrap-server.  It should have full functionality now without --zookeeper.

best,
Colin

On Fri, Jan 10, 2020, at 05:02, Ron Dagostino wrote:
> Hi Colin.  Will there be replacement/alternate connectivity for
> kafka-configs.sh?  Deprecating ZooKeeper access alone without adding
> "--bootstrap-server" (for example) would be insufficient, right?
> 
> Ron
> 
> On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 7:45 PM Jose Garcia Sancio <js...@confluent.io>
> wrote:
> 
> > Thanks Colin,
> >
> > For the tools that only support zookeeper (zookeeper-security-migration.sh
> > and zookeeper-shell.sh) should we be deprecating the entire tool for
> > removal in a future 3.0 release?
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 4:24 PM Colin McCabe <cm...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > I wrote KIP about deprecating the --zookeeper flag in the administrative
> > > tools.  Take a look if you get a chance:
> > >
> > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/x/sotSC
> > >
> > > best,
> > > Colin
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > -Jose
> >
>

Re: [DISCUSS] KIP-555: Deprecate Direct Zookeeper access in Kafka Administrative Tools

Posted by Ron Dagostino <rn...@gmail.com>.
Hi Colin.  Will there be replacement/alternate connectivity for
kafka-configs.sh?  Deprecating ZooKeeper access alone without adding
"--bootstrap-server" (for example) would be insufficient, right?

Ron

On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 7:45 PM Jose Garcia Sancio <js...@confluent.io>
wrote:

> Thanks Colin,
>
> For the tools that only support zookeeper (zookeeper-security-migration.sh
> and zookeeper-shell.sh) should we be deprecating the entire tool for
> removal in a future 3.0 release?
>
> On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 4:24 PM Colin McCabe <cm...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I wrote KIP about deprecating the --zookeeper flag in the administrative
> > tools.  Take a look if you get a chance:
> >
> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/x/sotSC
> >
> > best,
> > Colin
> >
>
>
> --
> -Jose
>

Re: [DISCUSS] KIP-555: Deprecate Direct Zookeeper access in Kafka Administrative Tools

Posted by Colin McCabe <cm...@apache.org>.
Hi Ron,

Yes, the KIP-455 command line changes will be in 2.5.

regards,
Colin


On Sat, Jan 11, 2020, at 03:21, Ron Dagostino wrote:
> <<<Fortunately, kafka-configs.sh already supports --bootstrap-server.
> Wow, I totally missed that!  Great.
> 
> Would the deprecation for kafka-reassign-partitions depend on KIP 455 
> being merged?
> 
> Ron
> 
> > On Jan 10, 2020, at 8:25 PM, Mitchell <mi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > 
> > I"m very pro this.  The sooner we can make people aware that zookeeper
> > is going away the better.
> > -mitch
> > 
> >> On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 4:37 PM Jose Garcia Sancio <js...@confluent.io> wrote:
> >> 
> >> Comments below.
> >> 
> >>> On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 5:03 PM Colin McCabe <cm...@apache.org> wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> That's a good question.  The current plan is for the 3.x releases to still
> >>> require ZooKeeper.  What we will drop in 3.x is direct ZK access in
> >>> command-line administrative tools (unless those tools are specifically
> >>> about administering ZK itself, like launching it, stopping it, editing its
> >>> internal settings, etc.)
> >> Makes sense to me. Thanks for the clarification.
> >> 
> >> --
> >> -Jose
>

Re: [DISCUSS] KIP-555: Deprecate Direct Zookeeper access in Kafka Administrative Tools

Posted by Ron Dagostino <rn...@gmail.com>.
<<<Fortunately, kafka-configs.sh already supports --bootstrap-server.
Wow, I totally missed that!  Great.

Would the deprecation for kafka-reassign-partitions depend on KIP 455 being merged?

Ron

> On Jan 10, 2020, at 8:25 PM, Mitchell <mi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I"m very pro this.  The sooner we can make people aware that zookeeper
> is going away the better.
> -mitch
> 
>> On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 4:37 PM Jose Garcia Sancio <js...@confluent.io> wrote:
>> 
>> Comments below.
>> 
>>> On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 5:03 PM Colin McCabe <cm...@apache.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> That's a good question.  The current plan is for the 3.x releases to still
>>> require ZooKeeper.  What we will drop in 3.x is direct ZK access in
>>> command-line administrative tools (unless those tools are specifically
>>> about administering ZK itself, like launching it, stopping it, editing its
>>> internal settings, etc.)
>> Makes sense to me. Thanks for the clarification.
>> 
>> --
>> -Jose

Re: [DISCUSS] KIP-555: Deprecate Direct Zookeeper access in Kafka Administrative Tools

Posted by Mitchell <mi...@gmail.com>.
I"m very pro this.  The sooner we can make people aware that zookeeper
is going away the better.
-mitch

On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 4:37 PM Jose Garcia Sancio <js...@confluent.io> wrote:
>
> Comments below.
>
> On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 5:03 PM Colin McCabe <cm...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> > That's a good question.  The current plan is for the 3.x releases to still
> > require ZooKeeper.  What we will drop in 3.x is direct ZK access in
> > command-line administrative tools (unless those tools are specifically
> > about administering ZK itself, like launching it, stopping it, editing its
> > internal settings, etc.)
> >
> >
> Makes sense to me. Thanks for the clarification.
>
> --
> -Jose

Re: [DISCUSS] KIP-555: Deprecate Direct Zookeeper access in Kafka Administrative Tools

Posted by Jose Garcia Sancio <js...@confluent.io>.
Comments below.

On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 5:03 PM Colin McCabe <cm...@apache.org> wrote:

> That's a good question.  The current plan is for the 3.x releases to still
> require ZooKeeper.  What we will drop in 3.x is direct ZK access in
> command-line administrative tools (unless those tools are specifically
> about administering ZK itself, like launching it, stopping it, editing its
> internal settings, etc.)
>
>
Makes sense to me. Thanks for the clarification.

-- 
-Jose

Re: [DISCUSS] KIP-555: Deprecate Direct Zookeeper access in Kafka Administrative Tools

Posted by Colin McCabe <cm...@apache.org>.
That's a good question.  The current plan is for the 3.x releases to still require ZooKeeper.  What we will drop in 3.x is direct ZK access in command-line administrative tools (unless those tools are specifically about administering ZK itself, like launching it, stopping it, editing its internal settings, etc.)

best,
Colin


On Thu, Jan 9, 2020, at 16:45, Jose Garcia Sancio wrote:
> Thanks Colin,
> 
> For the tools that only support zookeeper (zookeeper-security-migration.sh
> and zookeeper-shell.sh) should we be deprecating the entire tool for
> removal in a future 3.0 release?
> 
> On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 4:24 PM Colin McCabe <cm...@apache.org> wrote:
> 
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I wrote KIP about deprecating the --zookeeper flag in the administrative
> > tools.  Take a look if you get a chance:
> >
> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/x/sotSC
> >
> > best,
> > Colin
> >
> 
> 
> -- 
> -Jose
>

Re: [DISCUSS] KIP-555: Deprecate Direct Zookeeper access in Kafka Administrative Tools

Posted by Jose Garcia Sancio <js...@confluent.io>.
Thanks Colin,

For the tools that only support zookeeper (zookeeper-security-migration.sh
and zookeeper-shell.sh) should we be deprecating the entire tool for
removal in a future 3.0 release?

On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 4:24 PM Colin McCabe <cm...@apache.org> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I wrote KIP about deprecating the --zookeeper flag in the administrative
> tools.  Take a look if you get a chance:
>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/x/sotSC
>
> best,
> Colin
>


-- 
-Jose

Re: [DISCUSS] KIP-555: Deprecate Direct Zookeeper access in Kafka Administrative Tools

Posted by Colin McCabe <cm...@apache.org>.
On Thu, Jan 9, 2020, at 16:46, Gwen Shapira wrote:
> I think you linked to the wrong KIP? Here's a link that worked for me:
> https://s.apache.org/ve15g

Oops!  Thanks for the correction.  That is indeed the right link.

Colin

> 
> On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 4:24 PM Colin McCabe <cm...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I wrote KIP about deprecating the --zookeeper flag in the administrative tools.  Take a look if you get a chance:
> >
> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/x/sotSC
> >
> > best,
> > Colin
>

Re: [DISCUSS] KIP-555: Deprecate Direct Zookeeper access in Kafka Administrative Tools

Posted by Gwen Shapira <gw...@confluent.io>.
I think you linked to the wrong KIP? Here's a link that worked for me:
https://s.apache.org/ve15g

On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 4:24 PM Colin McCabe <cm...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I wrote KIP about deprecating the --zookeeper flag in the administrative tools.  Take a look if you get a chance:
>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/x/sotSC
>
> best,
> Colin