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Posted to marketing@openoffice.apache.org by Terry <te...@yahoo.com.au> on 2011/12/17 00:03:13 UTC
TeamOpenOffice ( was spam, I assume? on users' list )
Perhaps this is one of the first issues which needs to be addressed? Dave, from memory, mentioned it recently.
----- Forwarded Message -----
> From: Shane Curcuru <as...@shanecurcuru.org>
> To: ooo-users@incubator.apache.org
> Cc:
> Sent: Saturday, 17 December 2011 3:20 AM
> Subject: Re: spam, I assume?
>
> I suppose if you're this surprised to see it, then it would be considered
> spam! In any case, the email you got has nothing to to with Apache.
>
> ----
> This year, Oracle has donated the registered trademarks and domain names
> associated with openoffice.org to the Apache Software Foundation (ASF), along
> with providing a Software Grant Agreement licensing the majority of the source
> code for the OpenOffice.org product under the permissive Apache License to the
> ASF.
>
> The linked article on ITWorld is a very important read. Team OpenOffice e.V. is
> an organization in Germany of developers who had worked in the prior
> OpenOffice.org project that Sun/Oracle ran in the past. Team OpenOffice.org
> e.V. has no relationship with the ASF nor with the Apache OpenOffice podling,
> and any statements that they make that imply ownership or control currently of
> the OpenOffice.org domain or software product should be disregarded.
>
>
> As you can see right here on the ooo-users@ list and elsewhere, the Apache
> OpenOffice podling - undergoing Incubation here at the ASF - is doing well and
> is moving forward at creating some great new software based on the
> OpenOffice.org code that millions have used in the past, and plan to create a
> new product to be called Apache OpenOffice quite soon.
>
> In particular, users should know that any financial donations they may choose to
> make to Team OpenOffice.org e.V. have no bearing or relationship to the current
> OpenOffice.org product, and are completely unrelated to the workings of the ASF
> or the Apache OpenOffice podling.
>
> Users who are interested in supporting future Apache OpenOffice development - or
> even better documentation, support options, or other features on the
> openoffice.org domain are welcome to either participate in the Apache OpenOffice
> project - just ask your questions or send suggestions to the mailing list - or
> are welcome to make a donation to the ASF as a whole at:
> http://www.apache.org/foundation/contributing.html
>
>
> Since the ASF and the Apache OpenOffice podling plan to maintain the
> openoffice.org domain and legacy of a great end-user product for the foreseeable
> future, I find it hard to understand why Team OpenOffice.org e.V. continues to
> insinuate that OpenOffice.org is dying, and continues to mislead consumers as to
> the current owner of the OpenOffice.org brand: the ASF and the Apache OpenOffice
> podling.
> This is especially disturbing given that they're using the good name of a
> new Apache podling in a fundraising effort for their own coffers.
>
>
> Thanks for the report of this (spam) email!
>
> - Shane Curcuru
> Apache OpenOffice Mentor
> Vice President, Brand Management, The Apache Software Foundation
>
>
> On 2011-12-16 10:42 AM, Mike Scott wrote:
>> On 16/12/11 14:59, Mike Scott wrote:
>>> I assume the mail I've just received, subject text "only a few
> more
>>> days!", is spam. It starts:
>>>
>>>
>>> "Team OpenOffice.org e. V.
>>>
>>> This is the happiest time of the year!
>>>
>>> Christmas time with Team OpenOffice.org – gifts included!
>> .....
>> Apologies for following up my own mail. I had one off-list reply to the
>> effect that "I would be rather surprised if this was not totally ok.
> Now
>> that Oracle has got out, another organization needed to be created, and
>> thesis it." (Please, everyone, can stuff be kept on-list unless
> there's
>> good reason otherwise?)
>>
>> However, I've also found the web page
>>
> http://www.itworld.com/it-managementstrategy/213997/apache-disavows-team-openofficeorg-ev
>>
>> (mind the wrap) which is an interesting read.
>>
>> Since the email was sent direct to me, not via any subscribed list, I
>> guess it is spam, pure and simple. I'm forwarding a complaint to the
>> relevant ISP.
>>
>>
>
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Re: TeamOpenOffice ( was spam, I assume? on users' list )
Posted by Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>.
On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 6:03 PM, Terry <te...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> Perhaps this is one of the first issues which needs to be addressed? Dave, from memory, mentioned it recently.
>
It certainly is something that is coloring user perceptions of this
project, and I suspect it will get worse before it gets better.
Maybe we can start by making a list of the top 10 misconceptions about
AOO that the reader might get from reading that email, and the Team
OpenOffice website: http://teamopenoffice.org/en/
Once we have that list, it should be easy to publish a concise,
factual, not too emotional blog post correcting these misconceptions.
Some misconceptions might be:
1) Readers will get the impression that Team OpenOffice is affiliated
with the Apache and the OpenOffice project
2) Readers will assume that we endorse their work, since we (as far as
the reader can tell) permit their use of the trademarks.
3) Readers will think that the software distributed by Team OpenOffice
is approved or endorsed by Apache.
4) Readers will think that Team OpenOffice is the fund raising arm of
Apache OpenOffice
5) Readers will think that the funds raised by Team OpenOffice are
used by Apache to advance the development of the project
6) Readers will think that the Apache OpenOffice project is suffering
from lack of money
7) Readers will think that the Team OpenOffice members whose expertise
is listed on their website, are active contributors to the Apache
OpenOffice project
Any others?
-Rob
>
>
> ----- Forwarded Message -----
>> From: Shane Curcuru <as...@shanecurcuru.org>
>> To: ooo-users@incubator.apache.org
>> Cc:
>> Sent: Saturday, 17 December 2011 3:20 AM
>> Subject: Re: spam, I assume?
>>
>> I suppose if you're this surprised to see it, then it would be considered
>> spam! In any case, the email you got has nothing to to with Apache.
>>
>> ----
>> This year, Oracle has donated the registered trademarks and domain names
>> associated with openoffice.org to the Apache Software Foundation (ASF), along
>> with providing a Software Grant Agreement licensing the majority of the source
>> code for the OpenOffice.org product under the permissive Apache License to the
>> ASF.
>>
>> The linked article on ITWorld is a very important read. Team OpenOffice e.V. is
>> an organization in Germany of developers who had worked in the prior
>> OpenOffice.org project that Sun/Oracle ran in the past. Team OpenOffice.org
>> e.V. has no relationship with the ASF nor with the Apache OpenOffice podling,
>> and any statements that they make that imply ownership or control currently of
>> the OpenOffice.org domain or software product should be disregarded.
>>
>>
>> As you can see right here on the ooo-users@ list and elsewhere, the Apache
>> OpenOffice podling - undergoing Incubation here at the ASF - is doing well and
>> is moving forward at creating some great new software based on the
>> OpenOffice.org code that millions have used in the past, and plan to create a
>> new product to be called Apache OpenOffice quite soon.
>>
>> In particular, users should know that any financial donations they may choose to
>> make to Team OpenOffice.org e.V. have no bearing or relationship to the current
>> OpenOffice.org product, and are completely unrelated to the workings of the ASF
>> or the Apache OpenOffice podling.
>>
>> Users who are interested in supporting future Apache OpenOffice development - or
>> even better documentation, support options, or other features on the
>> openoffice.org domain are welcome to either participate in the Apache OpenOffice
>> project - just ask your questions or send suggestions to the mailing list - or
>> are welcome to make a donation to the ASF as a whole at:
>> http://www.apache.org/foundation/contributing.html
>>
>>
>> Since the ASF and the Apache OpenOffice podling plan to maintain the
>> openoffice.org domain and legacy of a great end-user product for the foreseeable
>> future, I find it hard to understand why Team OpenOffice.org e.V. continues to
>> insinuate that OpenOffice.org is dying, and continues to mislead consumers as to
>> the current owner of the OpenOffice.org brand: the ASF and the Apache OpenOffice
>> podling.
>> This is especially disturbing given that they're using the good name of a
>> new Apache podling in a fundraising effort for their own coffers.
>>
>>
>> Thanks for the report of this (spam) email!
>>
>> - Shane Curcuru
>> Apache OpenOffice Mentor
>> Vice President, Brand Management, The Apache Software Foundation
>>
>>
>> On 2011-12-16 10:42 AM, Mike Scott wrote:
>>> On 16/12/11 14:59, Mike Scott wrote:
>>>> I assume the mail I've just received, subject text "only a few
>> more
>>>> days!", is spam. It starts:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Team OpenOffice.org e. V.
>>>>
>>>> This is the happiest time of the year!
>>>>
>>>> Christmas time with Team OpenOffice.org – gifts included!
>>> .....
>>> Apologies for following up my own mail. I had one off-list reply to the
>>> effect that "I would be rather surprised if this was not totally ok.
>> Now
>>> that Oracle has got out, another organization needed to be created, and
>>> thesis it." (Please, everyone, can stuff be kept on-list unless
>> there's
>>> good reason otherwise?)
>>>
>>> However, I've also found the web page
>>>
>> http://www.itworld.com/it-managementstrategy/213997/apache-disavows-team-openofficeorg-ev
>>>
>>> (mind the wrap) which is an interesting read.
>>>
>>> Since the email was sent direct to me, not via any subscribed list, I
>>> guess it is spam, pure and simple. I'm forwarding a complaint to the
>>> relevant ISP.
>>>
>>>
>>
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Re: TeamOpenOffice ( was spam, I assume? on users' list )
Posted by Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net>.
Hi Terry,
We can't control TOO. We can only do the good work that we do. This project needs to get our message out. Their's is irrelevant and the ASF will take care of the situation.
We are about to go live with ASF hosted www.openoffice.org. This new version is currently hosted at ooo-site.apache.org.
It is my opinion that last minute adjustments to the site to strongly connect it to the project make sense in advance. Rob disagrees and has the opinion that we should make many individual changes after the migration. If people on this list have suggestions for changes to ooo-site to be made in advance now is the time.
A huge amount of work has been done to migrate to ASF and donations to the ASF while not directed to AOO will help this project. We need to get our message out. Lots of people end up at www.openoffice.org. Let's control the message NOW!
I'll help with the mechanics of the site, but I'm looking for others to generate the AOO message.
Regards,
Dave
On Dec 16, 2011, at 6:03 PM, Terry wrote:
> Perhaps this is one of the first issues which needs to be addressed? Dave, from memory, mentioned it recently.
>
>
>
> ----- Forwarded Message -----
>> From: Shane Curcuru <as...@shanecurcuru.org>
>> To: ooo-users@incubator.apache.org
>> Cc:
>> Sent: Saturday, 17 December 2011 3:20 AM
>> Subject: Re: spam, I assume?
>>
>> I suppose if you're this surprised to see it, then it would be considered
>> spam! In any case, the email you got has nothing to to with Apache.
>>
>> ----
>> This year, Oracle has donated the registered trademarks and domain names
>> associated with openoffice.org to the Apache Software Foundation (ASF), along
>> with providing a Software Grant Agreement licensing the majority of the source
>> code for the OpenOffice.org product under the permissive Apache License to the
>> ASF.
>>
>> The linked article on ITWorld is a very important read. Team OpenOffice e.V. is
>> an organization in Germany of developers who had worked in the prior
>> OpenOffice.org project that Sun/Oracle ran in the past. Team OpenOffice.org
>> e.V. has no relationship with the ASF nor with the Apache OpenOffice podling,
>> and any statements that they make that imply ownership or control currently of
>> the OpenOffice.org domain or software product should be disregarded.
>>
>>
>> As you can see right here on the ooo-users@ list and elsewhere, the Apache
>> OpenOffice podling - undergoing Incubation here at the ASF - is doing well and
>> is moving forward at creating some great new software based on the
>> OpenOffice.org code that millions have used in the past, and plan to create a
>> new product to be called Apache OpenOffice quite soon.
>>
>> In particular, users should know that any financial donations they may choose to
>> make to Team OpenOffice.org e.V. have no bearing or relationship to the current
>> OpenOffice.org product, and are completely unrelated to the workings of the ASF
>> or the Apache OpenOffice podling.
>>
>> Users who are interested in supporting future Apache OpenOffice development - or
>> even better documentation, support options, or other features on the
>> openoffice.org domain are welcome to either participate in the Apache OpenOffice
>> project - just ask your questions or send suggestions to the mailing list - or
>> are welcome to make a donation to the ASF as a whole at:
>> http://www.apache.org/foundation/contributing.html
>>
>>
>> Since the ASF and the Apache OpenOffice podling plan to maintain the
>> openoffice.org domain and legacy of a great end-user product for the foreseeable
>> future, I find it hard to understand why Team OpenOffice.org e.V. continues to
>> insinuate that OpenOffice.org is dying, and continues to mislead consumers as to
>> the current owner of the OpenOffice.org brand: the ASF and the Apache OpenOffice
>> podling.
>> This is especially disturbing given that they're using the good name of a
>> new Apache podling in a fundraising effort for their own coffers.
>>
>>
>> Thanks for the report of this (spam) email!
>>
>> - Shane Curcuru
>> Apache OpenOffice Mentor
>> Vice President, Brand Management, The Apache Software Foundation
>>
>>
>> On 2011-12-16 10:42 AM, Mike Scott wrote:
>>> On 16/12/11 14:59, Mike Scott wrote:
>>>> I assume the mail I've just received, subject text "only a few
>> more
>>>> days!", is spam. It starts:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Team OpenOffice.org e. V.
>>>>
>>>> This is the happiest time of the year!
>>>>
>>>> Christmas time with Team OpenOffice.org – gifts included!
>>> .....
>>> Apologies for following up my own mail. I had one off-list reply to the
>>> effect that "I would be rather surprised if this was not totally ok.
>> Now
>>> that Oracle has got out, another organization needed to be created, and
>>> thesis it." (Please, everyone, can stuff be kept on-list unless
>> there's
>>> good reason otherwise?)
>>>
>>> However, I've also found the web page
>>>
>> http://www.itworld.com/it-managementstrategy/213997/apache-disavows-team-openofficeorg-ev
>>>
>>> (mind the wrap) which is an interesting read.
>>>
>>> Since the email was sent direct to me, not via any subscribed list, I
>>> guess it is spam, pure and simple. I'm forwarding a complaint to the
>>> relevant ISP.
>>>
>>>
>>
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>>