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Posted to dev@community.apache.org by Kenneth Knowles <ke...@apache.org> on 2019/01/04 21:34:59 UTC
Re: Beam's recent community development work
On Wed, Oct 31, 2018 at 8:51 AM Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>
wrote:
> Feel free to draft your blog post and we can then review and publish!
>
I've drafted it. It is pretty long but still feels terse to me. Feedback
very welcome on that point. I will try to find time to give it another
pass, unless someone tells me that it is fine as-is.
Kenn
-Bertrand
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Re: Beam's recent community development work
Posted by Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>.
On Fri, Jan 4, 2019 at 10:35 PM Kenneth Knowles <ke...@apache.org> wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 31, 2018 at 8:51 AM Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> >... Feel free to draft your blog post and we can then review and publish!
> I've drafted it....
Thank you, I reviewed [1] and it looks great to me!
I have just 3 minor comments:
-Add a link to the committer guidelines that you mention
-IIUC when you say "Every ~month" it means "about every month" - that
was not obvious to me initially
-for RTC and CTR you might link to
https://www.apache.org/foundation/glossary.html
-Bertrand
[1] https://blogs.apache.org/roller-ui/authoring/preview/comdev/?previewEntry=an-approach-to-community-building
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Re: Beam's recent community development work
Posted by Shane Curcuru <as...@shanecurcuru.org>.
Kenneth Knowles wrote on 2/22/19 12:31 AM:
> Re-reading the earlier feedback and starting point, it sounds like:
>
> - the post was generally approved of, assuming comments were addressed
> - there's not an established process for this sort of thing
> - the PMC agreed to give me authoring access
>
> So I will suggest that lazy consensus is good here. I will wait a bit
> longer, but would love to hit "publish" before the weekend.
Yes, please just publish. I'll even say +1! But this is just a blog
post that people have had plenty of time to review, so go do it!
Last-minute ideas:
- You might link to another article on the contributor funnel, to
provide readers with a broader perspective. This is becoming a popular
concept for focusing on project growth:
https://mikemcquaid.com/2018/08/14/the-open-source-contributor-funnel-why-people-dont-contribute-to-your-open-source-project/
- I don't know if you want to briefly introduce the RTC paragraph. It
feels like it suddenly shows up after all the points about how you work
to encourage people. It's definitely a good ending - especially how it
ties into engaging newcomers who do reviews - but doesn't quite flow.
Feel free to ignore those suggestions and just publish, too. 8-)
--
- Shane
Director & Member
The Apache Software Foundation
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Re: Beam's recent community development work
Posted by Kenneth Knowles <ke...@apache.org>.
Re-reading the earlier feedback and starting point, it sounds like:
- the post was generally approved of, assuming comments were addressed
- there's not an established process for this sort of thing
- the PMC agreed to give me authoring access
So I will suggest that lazy consensus is good here. I will wait a bit
longer, but would love to hit "publish" before the weekend.
Kenn
On Sun, Feb 10, 2019 at 1:54 PM Kenneth Knowles <ke...@apache.org> wrote:
> I made a bunch of perturbations and undid them and eventually the links
> are working as-is... So anyhow this is good to review or publish if you are
> happy with it.
>
> Kenn
>
> On Sun, Feb 10, 2019 at 1:35 PM Kenneth Knowles <ke...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the feedback! I've revised to take it into account. I'll try
>> to reply inline to indicate how.
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 7, 2019 at 1:02 AM Bertrand Delacretaz <
>> bdelacretaz@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, Jan 4, 2019 at 10:35 PM Kenneth Knowles <ke...@apache.org> wrote:
>>> > On Wed, Oct 31, 2018 at 8:51 AM Bertrand Delacretaz <
>>> bdelacretaz@apache.org>
>>> > wrote:
>>> > >... Feel free to draft your blog post and we can then review and
>>> publish!
>>> > I've drafted it....
>>>
>>> Thank you, I reviewed [1] and it looks great to me!
>>>
>>> I have just 3 minor comments:
>>>
>>> -Add a link to the committer guidelines that you mention
>>>
>>
>> The first sentence of the paragraph on that was a link. Something about
>> my source is making most links not render. I got this one working, but many
>> others are not. I'll figure that out...
>>
>>
>>> -IIUC when you say "Every ~month" it means "about every month" - that
>>> was not obvious to me initially
>>>
>>
>> Changed to "about every month"
>>
>>
>>> -for RTC and CTR you might link to
>>> https://www.apache.org/foundation/glossary.html
>>
>>
>> Done (but link is not yet working per above)
>>
>>
>>>
>>> -Bertrand
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 7, 2019 at 5:11 PM Craig Russell <ap...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I realize that this message might be hard to read since copy/paste
>>> formatting is gone. So here goes my attempt to clarify...
>>>
>>> On Jan 7, 2019, at 8:28 AM, Craig Russell <ap...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Kenn,
>>>
>>> Thanks for contributing this. I think it's a nice introduction to Beam's
>>> community building efforts.
>>>
>>> Here are a couple of comments:
>>>
>>> > We want our contributor-base (hence committer-base) to be more spread
>>> across companies and backgrounds, for the usual Apache reasons.
>>>
>>> I'd elaborate instead of saying "for the usual Apache reasons". Which
>>> reasons are important to Beam?
>>>
>>
>> Done.
>>
>>
>>> > (we have committers from community development, tech writing,
>>> training, etc).
>>>
>>> I'd make this a sentence of its own.
>>>
>>
>> Agree. Done.
>>
>>
>>
>>> > you shouldn't be proposing a committer for other reasons,
>>>
>>> I don't understand "for other reasons".
>>>
>>> > Every ~month, we call for new discussions and revisit ~all prior
>>> discussions.
>>>
>>> I find the "~" to be distracting. Words please.
>>>
>>
>> Done.
>>
>> > For a potential committer, we did this:
>>>
>>> It's not clear to me when a person becomes a potential committer. Is it
>>> in the "repeat contributor" phase?
>>>
>>> > For an early contributor,
>>>
>>> Perhaps move this paragraph above the "For a potential committer"
>>> paragraph?
>>>
>>
>> Done. I think re-ordering and slight rephrase helped.
>>
>> > ~3~4 obvious committer candidates
>>
>>
>>> As above, remove "~".
>>>
>>
>> Done. "a few"
>>
>> > If we have no feedback about which guidelines were a concern, that is a
>>> red flag that we are being driven by bias.
>>>
>>> I don't understand this. Lack of concern might be considered a "good
>>> thing" not a red flag.
>>>
>>
>> Rephrased: "Formulating this feedback is important for helping
>> contributors to learn, but it also serves as a check against bias and
>> politics. If we found ourselves unable to specify such feedback, that is a
>> sign that we are deciding for a reason other than those we have declared
>> and agreed upon."
>>
>> > as RMS says
>>>
>>> Who/what <https://teams.googleplex.com/u/what> is RMS?
>>>
>>
>> Rephrased and spelled out his name.
>>
>> I'll keep trying to figure out what is going on with the links, and if
>> you know the answer please share it!
>>
>> Kenn
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Craig
>>> >> On Jan 4, 2019, at 1:49 PM, Kenneth Knowles <kenn@apache.org <mailto:
>>> kenn@apache.org>> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> Here it is:
>>> >>
>>> https://blogs.apache.org/roller-ui/authoring/preview/comdev/?previewEntry=an-approach-to-community-building
>>> <
>>> https://blogs.apache.org/roller-ui/authoring/preview/comdev/?previewEntry=an-approach-to-community-building
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >> Kenn
>>> >>
>>> >> On Fri, Jan 4, 2019 at 1:44 PM Griselda Cuevas
>>> <gr...@google.com.invalid>
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>> Where could we find it?
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On Fri, 4 Jan 2019 at 13:35, Kenneth Knowles <ke...@apache.org>
>>> wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>>> On Wed, Oct 31, 2018 at 8:51 AM Bertrand Delacretaz <
>>> >>>> bdelacretaz@apache.org>
>>> >>>> wrote:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>> Feel free to draft your blog post and we can then review and
>>> publish!
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> I've drafted it. It is pretty long but still feels terse to me.
>>> Feedback
>>> >>>> very welcome on that point. I will try to find time to give it
>>> another
>>> >>>> pass, unless someone tells me that it is fine as-is.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Kenn
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> -Bertrand
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
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>>> >>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@community.apache.org
>>> >>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@community.apache.org
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>
>>> >
>>> > Craig L Russell
>>> > Secretary, Apache Software Foundation
>>> > clr@apache.org <ma...@apache.org> http://db.apache.org/jdo <
>>> http://db.apache.org/jdo>
>>>
>>> Craig L Russell
>>> Secretary, Apache Software Foundation
>>> clr@apache.org <ma...@apache.org> http://db.apache.org/jdo <
>>> http://db.apache.org/jdo>
>>>
>>
Re: Beam's recent community development work
Posted by Kenneth Knowles <ke...@apache.org>.
Done. And I did rephrase the bit about RTC to make it fit in better.
On Fri, Feb 22, 2019 at 4:51 AM Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>
wrote:
> On Sun, Feb 10, 2019 at 10:54 PM Kenneth Knowles <ke...@apache.org> wrote:
> > ...this is good to review or publish if you are
> > happy with it...
>
> sorry I missed that message, +1 to publishing!
>
> -Bertrand
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Re: Beam's recent community development work
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>On Sun, Feb 10, 2019 at 10:54 PM Kenneth Knowles wrote:
>> ...this is good to review or publish if you are
>> happy with it...
>
>sorry I missed that message, +1 to publishing!
>
>-Bertrand
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Re: Beam's recent community development work
Posted by "sroffromen@gmail.com" <sr...@gmail.com>.
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Subject:Re: Beam's recent community development work
>On Sun, Feb 10, 2019 at 10:54 PM Kenneth Knowles <ke...@apache.org> wrote:
>> ...this is good to review or publish if you are
>> happy with it...
>
>sorry I missed that message, +1 to publishing!
>
>-Bertrand
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Re: Beam's recent community development work
Posted by Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>.
On Sun, Feb 10, 2019 at 10:54 PM Kenneth Knowles <ke...@apache.org> wrote:
> ...this is good to review or publish if you are
> happy with it...
sorry I missed that message, +1 to publishing!
-Bertrand
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Re: Beam's recent community development work
Posted by Kenneth Knowles <ke...@apache.org>.
I made a bunch of perturbations and undid them and eventually the links are
working as-is... So anyhow this is good to review or publish if you are
happy with it.
Kenn
On Sun, Feb 10, 2019 at 1:35 PM Kenneth Knowles <ke...@apache.org> wrote:
> Thanks for the feedback! I've revised to take it into account. I'll try to
> reply inline to indicate how.
>
> On Mon, Jan 7, 2019 at 1:02 AM Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>
> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, Jan 4, 2019 at 10:35 PM Kenneth Knowles <ke...@apache.org> wrote:
>> > On Wed, Oct 31, 2018 at 8:51 AM Bertrand Delacretaz <
>> bdelacretaz@apache.org>
>> > wrote:
>> > >... Feel free to draft your blog post and we can then review and
>> publish!
>> > I've drafted it....
>>
>> Thank you, I reviewed [1] and it looks great to me!
>>
>> I have just 3 minor comments:
>>
>> -Add a link to the committer guidelines that you mention
>>
>
> The first sentence of the paragraph on that was a link. Something about my
> source is making most links not render. I got this one working, but many
> others are not. I'll figure that out...
>
>
>> -IIUC when you say "Every ~month" it means "about every month" - that
>> was not obvious to me initially
>>
>
> Changed to "about every month"
>
>
>> -for RTC and CTR you might link to
>> https://www.apache.org/foundation/glossary.html
>
>
> Done (but link is not yet working per above)
>
>
>>
>> -Bertrand
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 7, 2019 at 5:11 PM Craig Russell <ap...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I realize that this message might be hard to read since copy/paste
>> formatting is gone. So here goes my attempt to clarify...
>>
>> On Jan 7, 2019, at 8:28 AM, Craig Russell <ap...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Kenn,
>>
>> Thanks for contributing this. I think it's a nice introduction to Beam's
>> community building efforts.
>>
>> Here are a couple of comments:
>>
>> > We want our contributor-base (hence committer-base) to be more spread
>> across companies and backgrounds, for the usual Apache reasons.
>>
>> I'd elaborate instead of saying "for the usual Apache reasons". Which
>> reasons are important to Beam?
>>
>
> Done.
>
>
>> > (we have committers from community development, tech writing, training,
>> etc).
>>
>> I'd make this a sentence of its own.
>>
>
> Agree. Done.
>
>
>
>> > you shouldn't be proposing a committer for other reasons,
>>
>> I don't understand "for other reasons".
>>
>> > Every ~month, we call for new discussions and revisit ~all prior
>> discussions.
>>
>> I find the "~" to be distracting. Words please.
>>
>
> Done.
>
> > For a potential committer, we did this:
>>
>> It's not clear to me when a person becomes a potential committer. Is it
>> in the "repeat contributor" phase?
>>
>> > For an early contributor,
>>
>> Perhaps move this paragraph above the "For a potential committer"
>> paragraph?
>>
>
> Done. I think re-ordering and slight rephrase helped.
>
> > ~3~4 obvious committer candidates
>
>
>> As above, remove "~".
>>
>
> Done. "a few"
>
> > If we have no feedback about which guidelines were a concern, that is a
>> red flag that we are being driven by bias.
>>
>> I don't understand this. Lack of concern might be considered a "good
>> thing" not a red flag.
>>
>
> Rephrased: "Formulating this feedback is important for helping
> contributors to learn, but it also serves as a check against bias and
> politics. If we found ourselves unable to specify such feedback, that is a
> sign that we are deciding for a reason other than those we have declared
> and agreed upon."
>
> > as RMS says
>>
>> Who/what <https://teams.googleplex.com/u/what> is RMS?
>>
>
> Rephrased and spelled out his name.
>
> I'll keep trying to figure out what is going on with the links, and if you
> know the answer please share it!
>
> Kenn
>
>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Craig
>> >> On Jan 4, 2019, at 1:49 PM, Kenneth Knowles <kenn@apache.org <mailto:
>> kenn@apache.org>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Here it is:
>> >>
>> https://blogs.apache.org/roller-ui/authoring/preview/comdev/?previewEntry=an-approach-to-community-building
>> <
>> https://blogs.apache.org/roller-ui/authoring/preview/comdev/?previewEntry=an-approach-to-community-building
>> >
>> >>
>> >> Kenn
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, Jan 4, 2019 at 1:44 PM Griselda Cuevas <gris@google.com.invalid
>> >
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Where could we find it?
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On Fri, 4 Jan 2019 at 13:35, Kenneth Knowles <ke...@apache.org> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> On Wed, Oct 31, 2018 at 8:51 AM Bertrand Delacretaz <
>> >>>> bdelacretaz@apache.org>
>> >>>> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> Feel free to draft your blog post and we can then review and
>> publish!
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I've drafted it. It is pretty long but still feels terse to me.
>> Feedback
>> >>>> very welcome on that point. I will try to find time to give it
>> another
>> >>>> pass, unless someone tells me that it is fine as-is.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Kenn
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> -Bertrand
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@community.apache.org
>> >>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@community.apache.org
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >
>> > Craig L Russell
>> > Secretary, Apache Software Foundation
>> > clr@apache.org <ma...@apache.org> http://db.apache.org/jdo <
>> http://db.apache.org/jdo>
>>
>> Craig L Russell
>> Secretary, Apache Software Foundation
>> clr@apache.org <ma...@apache.org> http://db.apache.org/jdo <
>> http://db.apache.org/jdo>
>>
>
Re: Beam's recent community development work
Posted by Kenneth Knowles <ke...@apache.org>.
Thanks for the feedback! I've revised to take it into account. I'll try to
reply inline to indicate how.
On Mon, Jan 7, 2019 at 1:02 AM Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>
wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 4, 2019 at 10:35 PM Kenneth Knowles <ke...@apache.org> wrote:
> > On Wed, Oct 31, 2018 at 8:51 AM Bertrand Delacretaz <
> bdelacretaz@apache.org>
> > wrote:
> > >... Feel free to draft your blog post and we can then review and
> publish!
> > I've drafted it....
>
> Thank you, I reviewed [1] and it looks great to me!
>
> I have just 3 minor comments:
>
> -Add a link to the committer guidelines that you mention
>
The first sentence of the paragraph on that was a link. Something about my
source is making most links not render. I got this one working, but many
others are not. I'll figure that out...
> -IIUC when you say "Every ~month" it means "about every month" - that
> was not obvious to me initially
>
Changed to "about every month"
> -for RTC and CTR you might link to
> https://www.apache.org/foundation/glossary.html
Done (but link is not yet working per above)
>
> -Bertrand
On Mon, Jan 7, 2019 at 5:11 PM Craig Russell <ap...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I realize that this message might be hard to read since copy/paste
> formatting is gone. So here goes my attempt to clarify...
>
> On Jan 7, 2019, at 8:28 AM, Craig Russell <ap...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Kenn,
>
> Thanks for contributing this. I think it's a nice introduction to Beam's
> community building efforts.
>
> Here are a couple of comments:
>
> > We want our contributor-base (hence committer-base) to be more spread
> across companies and backgrounds, for the usual Apache reasons.
>
> I'd elaborate instead of saying "for the usual Apache reasons". Which
> reasons are important to Beam?
>
Done.
> > (we have committers from community development, tech writing, training,
> etc).
>
> I'd make this a sentence of its own.
>
Agree. Done.
> > you shouldn't be proposing a committer for other reasons,
>
> I don't understand "for other reasons".
>
> > Every ~month, we call for new discussions and revisit ~all prior
> discussions.
>
> I find the "~" to be distracting. Words please.
>
Done.
> For a potential committer, we did this:
>
> It's not clear to me when a person becomes a potential committer. Is it in
> the "repeat contributor" phase?
>
> > For an early contributor,
>
> Perhaps move this paragraph above the "For a potential committer"
> paragraph?
>
Done. I think re-ordering and slight rephrase helped.
> ~3~4 obvious committer candidates
> As above, remove "~".
>
Done. "a few"
> If we have no feedback about which guidelines were a concern, that is a
> red flag that we are being driven by bias.
>
> I don't understand this. Lack of concern might be considered a "good
> thing" not a red flag.
>
Rephrased: "Formulating this feedback is important for helping contributors
to learn, but it also serves as a check against bias and politics. If we
found ourselves unable to specify such feedback, that is a sign that we are
deciding for a reason other than those we have declared and agreed upon."
> as RMS says
>
> Who/what <https://teams.googleplex.com/u/what> is RMS?
>
Rephrased and spelled out his name.
I'll keep trying to figure out what is going on with the links, and if you
know the answer please share it!
Kenn
>
> Regards,
>
> Craig
> >> On Jan 4, 2019, at 1:49 PM, Kenneth Knowles <kenn@apache.org <mailto:
> kenn@apache.org>> wrote:
> >>
> >> Here it is:
> >>
> https://blogs.apache.org/roller-ui/authoring/preview/comdev/?previewEntry=an-approach-to-community-building
> <
> https://blogs.apache.org/roller-ui/authoring/preview/comdev/?previewEntry=an-approach-to-community-building
> >
> >>
> >> Kenn
> >>
> >> On Fri, Jan 4, 2019 at 1:44 PM Griselda Cuevas <gris@google.com.invalid
> >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Where could we find it?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, 4 Jan 2019 at 13:35, Kenneth Knowles <ke...@apache.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On Wed, Oct 31, 2018 at 8:51 AM Bertrand Delacretaz <
> >>>> bdelacretaz@apache.org>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Feel free to draft your blog post and we can then review and publish!
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> I've drafted it. It is pretty long but still feels terse to me.
> Feedback
> >>>> very welcome on that point. I will try to find time to give it another
> >>>> pass, unless someone tells me that it is fine as-is.
> >>>>
> >>>> Kenn
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> -Bertrand
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@community.apache.org
> >>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@community.apache.org
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >
> > Craig L Russell
> > Secretary, Apache Software Foundation
> > clr@apache.org <ma...@apache.org> http://db.apache.org/jdo <
> http://db.apache.org/jdo>
>
> Craig L Russell
> Secretary, Apache Software Foundation
> clr@apache.org <ma...@apache.org> http://db.apache.org/jdo <
> http://db.apache.org/jdo>
>
Re: Beam's recent community development work
Posted by Craig Russell <ap...@gmail.com>.
I realize that this message might be hard to read since copy/paste formatting is gone. So here goes my attempt to clarify...
On Jan 7, 2019, at 8:28 AM, Craig Russell <ap...@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Kenn,
Thanks for contributing this. I think it's a nice introduction to Beam's community building efforts.
Here are a couple of comments:
> We want our contributor-base (hence committer-base) to be more spread across companies and backgrounds, for the usual Apache reasons.
I'd elaborate instead of saying "for the usual Apache reasons". Which reasons are important to Beam?
> (we have committers from community development, tech writing, training, etc).
I'd make this a sentence of its own.
> you shouldn't be proposing a committer for other reasons,
I don't understand "for other reasons".
> Every ~month, we call for new discussions and revisit ~all prior discussions.
I find the "~" to be distracting. Words please.
> For a potential committer, we did this:
It's not clear to me when a person becomes a potential committer. Is it in the "repeat contributor" phase?
> For an early contributor,
Perhaps move this paragraph above the "For a potential committer" paragraph?
> ~3~4 obvious committer candidates
As above, remove "~".
> If we have no feedback about which guidelines were a concern, that is a red flag that we are being driven by bias.
I don't understand this. Lack of concern might be considered a "good thing" not a red flag.
> as RMS says
Who/what is RMS?
Regards,
Craig
>> On Jan 4, 2019, at 1:49 PM, Kenneth Knowles <kenn@apache.org <ma...@apache.org>> wrote:
>>
>> Here it is:
>> https://blogs.apache.org/roller-ui/authoring/preview/comdev/?previewEntry=an-approach-to-community-building <https://blogs.apache.org/roller-ui/authoring/preview/comdev/?previewEntry=an-approach-to-community-building>
>>
>> Kenn
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 4, 2019 at 1:44 PM Griselda Cuevas <gr...@google.com.invalid>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Where could we find it?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, 4 Jan 2019 at 13:35, Kenneth Knowles <ke...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, Oct 31, 2018 at 8:51 AM Bertrand Delacretaz <
>>>> bdelacretaz@apache.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Feel free to draft your blog post and we can then review and publish!
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I've drafted it. It is pretty long but still feels terse to me. Feedback
>>>> very welcome on that point. I will try to find time to give it another
>>>> pass, unless someone tells me that it is fine as-is.
>>>>
>>>> Kenn
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -Bertrand
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>
> Craig L Russell
> Secretary, Apache Software Foundation
> clr@apache.org <ma...@apache.org> http://db.apache.org/jdo <http://db.apache.org/jdo>
Craig L Russell
Secretary, Apache Software Foundation
clr@apache.org <ma...@apache.org> http://db.apache.org/jdo <http://db.apache.org/jdo>
Re: Beam's recent community development work
Posted by Craig Russell <ap...@gmail.com>.
Hi Kenn,
Thanks for contributing this. I think it's a nice introduction to Beam's community building efforts.
Here are a couple of comments:
We want our contributor-base (hence committer-base) to be more spread across companies and backgrounds, for the usual Apache reasons.
I'd elaborate instead of saying "for the usual Apache reasons". Which reasons are important to Beam?
(we have committers from community development, tech writing, training, etc).
I'd make this a sentence of its own.
you shouldn't be proposing a committer for other reasons,
I don't understand "for other reasons".
Every ~month, we call for new discussions and revisit ~all prior discussions.
I find the "~" to be distracting. Words please.
For a potential committer, we did this:
It's not clear to me when a person becomes a potential committer. Is it in the "repeat contributor" phase?
For an early contributor,
Perhaps move this paragraph above the "For a potential committer" paragraph?
~3~4 obvious committer candidates
As above, remove "~".
If we have no feedback about which guidelines were a concern, that is a red flag that we are being driven by bias.
I don't understand this. Lack of concern might be considered a "good thing" not a red flag.
as RMS says
Who/what is RMS?
Regards,
Craig
> On Jan 4, 2019, at 1:49 PM, Kenneth Knowles <ke...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> Here it is:
> https://blogs.apache.org/roller-ui/authoring/preview/comdev/?previewEntry=an-approach-to-community-building
>
> Kenn
>
> On Fri, Jan 4, 2019 at 1:44 PM Griselda Cuevas <gr...@google.com.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>> Where could we find it?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, 4 Jan 2019 at 13:35, Kenneth Knowles <ke...@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, Oct 31, 2018 at 8:51 AM Bertrand Delacretaz <
>>> bdelacretaz@apache.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Feel free to draft your blog post and we can then review and publish!
>>>>
>>>
>>> I've drafted it. It is pretty long but still feels terse to me. Feedback
>>> very welcome on that point. I will try to find time to give it another
>>> pass, unless someone tells me that it is fine as-is.
>>>
>>> Kenn
>>>
>>>
>>> -Bertrand
>>>>
>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@community.apache.org
>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@community.apache.org
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
Craig L Russell
Secretary, Apache Software Foundation
clr@apache.org <ma...@apache.org> http://db.apache.org/jdo <http://db.apache.org/jdo>
Re: Beam's recent community development work
Posted by Kenneth Knowles <ke...@apache.org>.
Here it is:
https://blogs.apache.org/roller-ui/authoring/preview/comdev/?previewEntry=an-approach-to-community-building
Kenn
On Fri, Jan 4, 2019 at 1:44 PM Griselda Cuevas <gr...@google.com.invalid>
wrote:
> Where could we find it?
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, 4 Jan 2019 at 13:35, Kenneth Knowles <ke...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> > On Wed, Oct 31, 2018 at 8:51 AM Bertrand Delacretaz <
> > bdelacretaz@apache.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Feel free to draft your blog post and we can then review and publish!
> > >
> >
> > I've drafted it. It is pretty long but still feels terse to me. Feedback
> > very welcome on that point. I will try to find time to give it another
> > pass, unless someone tells me that it is fine as-is.
> >
> > Kenn
> >
> >
> > -Bertrand
> > >
> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@community.apache.org
> > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@community.apache.org
> > >
> > >
> >
>
Re: Beam's recent community development work
Posted by Griselda Cuevas <gr...@google.com.INVALID>.
Where could we find it?
On Fri, 4 Jan 2019 at 13:35, Kenneth Knowles <ke...@apache.org> wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 31, 2018 at 8:51 AM Bertrand Delacretaz <
> bdelacretaz@apache.org>
> wrote:
>
> > Feel free to draft your blog post and we can then review and publish!
> >
>
> I've drafted it. It is pretty long but still feels terse to me. Feedback
> very welcome on that point. I will try to find time to give it another
> pass, unless someone tells me that it is fine as-is.
>
> Kenn
>
>
> -Bertrand
> >
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@community.apache.org
> > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@community.apache.org
> >
> >
>
Re: Beam's recent community development work
Posted by "Yoyo yw." <aa...@gmail.com>.
saya tanda saya punya saja
Pada Sab, 5 Jan 2019 05:35 Kenneth Knowles <kenn@apache.org menulis:
> On Wed, Oct 31, 2018 at 8:51 AM Bertrand Delacretaz <
> bdelacretaz@apache.org>
> wrote:
>
> > Feel free to draft your blog post and we can then review and publish!
> >
>
> I've drafted it. It is pretty long but still feels terse to me. Feedback
> very welcome on that point. I will try to find time to give it another
> pass, unless someone tells me that it is fine as-is.
>
> Kenn
>
>
> -Bertrand
> >
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@community.apache.org
> > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@community.apache.org
> >
> >
>