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FRAUDULENT SALES OF OPENOFFICE
Hi my name is James, I was shopping online for new software as I don't at
the moment have the $100's of dollars to purchase a new copy of microsoft
office suite and I came accross a couple of sellers on ebay selling your
product or product keys. I wanted to research OpenIffice as I have never
heard of it and it was being sold very low price(GBP 1.89 Approx. $2.45
USD) I found that if i went to the apache website the software is actually
free, so I couldn't imagine that the sells on ebay are legit. I wasn't sure
which email i should direct this concern to so I've sent it to the few
email addresses I thought might handle this situation. I've also sent
reports about the listed items to ebay both because I believe that they are
fraudulent listings and because they are selling download keys which
violates ebay T's and C's anyways. below I have posted links to a couple of
the ebay listings. If you have any questions or need more information my
contact info is also below. thank you for your time.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Open-OFFICE-2016-PRO-Edition-Word-Processor-Compatible-With-Microsoft-Windows-/252466589023?hash=item3ac82e6d5f:g:sREAAOSw0fhXjU0s
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2016-Open-Office-Home-Student-Suite-for-Microsoft-Windows-10-Mac-doc/252312602393?_trksid=p2045573.c100505.m3226&_trkparms=aid%3D555014%26algo%3DPL.DEFAULT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D41375%26meid%3D16408f0fbf654ed089f99ca7dc3e528f%26pid%3D100505%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D1%26
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2016-OpenOffice-Home-Student-for-Microsoft-Windows-10-8-8-1-7-Word-Excel-/262084546682?hash=item3d0574d07a:g:H0AAAOSwg8FVAndS
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2016-Office-Suite-Word-Processor-Spreadsheet-Software-Microsoft-Windows-Mac-CD-/282411122715?hash=item41c103c01b:g:vTUAAOSwSlBY2MZm
there are too many listings for me to get them all but there are 4 of them
and there were tons more
you should also contact ebays VeRO Program:
http://pages.ebay.com/seller-center/listing/create-effective-listings/vero-program.html#m17-1-tb2
James (Loc) Vial
Loc Entertainment LLC
541-226-5756
ledgaf@gmail.com
facebook.com/LocEntertainment
Re: FRAUDULENT SALES OF OPENOFFICE
Posted by Peter Kovacs <pe...@posteo.de>.
From the Source Code Point of view. You are right.
Our License does not prohibit selling. The issue I see is in the
unsanctioned use of OpenOffice.
The Product name has been for example altered.
However this is up to the Apache Members on the List to check if these
are sanctioned by Apache or not.
I think the community has no controll over this.
I personally would approach those sellers and convince them to reinvest
some of their earnings into OpenOffice development.
Maybe that could be business case.
All the best
Peter
On 25.05.2017 11:17, Pavel Belski wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'm by no means an expert on opensource licenses, so i just want to clarify
> something
>
> As I understand it, there is nothing wrong for someone to sell or repackage
> open sourced software, most open source licenses explicitly allow that.
> Provided of course that certain conditions are met(like one has to ship
> software sources with the product, is not allowed to change license and
> some other things?)
>
> In this case i don't exactly believe those listings are fraudulent just
> because they sell a product one can get for free somewhere else.
>
> It's how i understand the issue anyway.
>
> 2017-05-25 9:33 GMT+02:00 Loc Entertaintment <le...@gmail.com>:
>
>> Hi my name is James, I was shopping online for new software as I don't at
>> the moment have the $100's of dollars to purchase a new copy of microsoft
>> office suite and I came accross a couple of sellers on ebay selling your
>> product or product keys. I wanted to research OpenIffice as I have never
>> heard of it and it was being sold very low price(GBP 1.89 Approx. $2.45
>> USD) I found that if i went to the apache website the software is actually
>> free, so I couldn't imagine that the sells on ebay are legit. I wasn't sure
>> which email i should direct this concern to so I've sent it to the few
>> email addresses I thought might handle this situation. I've also sent
>> reports about the listed items to ebay both because I believe that they are
>> fraudulent listings and because they are selling download keys which
>> violates ebay T's and C's anyways. below I have posted links to a couple of
>> the ebay listings. If you have any questions or need more information my
>> contact info is also below. thank you for your time.
>>
>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Open-OFFICE-2016-PRO-Edition-Word-
>> Processor-Compatible-With-Microsoft-Windows-/252466589023?hash=
>> item3ac82e6d5f:g:sREAAOSw0fhXjU0s
>>
>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/2016-Open-Office-Home-Student-
>> Suite-for-Microsoft-Windows-10-Mac-doc/252312602393?_
>> trksid=p2045573.c100505.m3226&_trkparms=aid%3D555014%26algo%
>> 3DPL.DEFAULT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D41375%26meid%3D16408f0fbf654ed089f99ca7dc3e
>> 528f%26pid%3D100505%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D1%26
>>
>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/2016-OpenOffice-Home-Student-for-
>> Microsoft-Windows-10-8-8-1-7-Word-Excel-/262084546682?hash=
>> item3d0574d07a:g:H0AAAOSwg8FVAndS
>>
>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/2016-Office-Suite-Word-Processor-
>> Spreadsheet-Software-Microsoft-Windows-Mac-CD-/282411122715?hash=
>> item41c103c01b:g:vTUAAOSwSlBY2MZm
>>
>> there are too many listings for me to get them all but there are 4 of them
>> and there were tons more
>>
>>
>> you should also contact ebays VeRO Program:
>> http://pages.ebay.com/seller-center/listing/create-
>> effective-listings/vero-program.html#m17-1-tb2
>>
>>
>> James (Loc) Vial
>> Loc Entertainment LLC
>> 541-226-5756
>> ledgaf@gmail.com
>> facebook.com/LocEntertainment
>>
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Re: FRAUDULENT SALES OF OPENOFFICE
Posted by Peter Kovacs <pe...@posteo.de>.
From the Source Code Point of view. You are right.
Our License does not prohibit selling. The issue I see is in the
unsanctioned use of OpenOffice.
The Product name has been for example altered.
However this is up to the Apache Members on the List to check if these
are sanctioned by Apache or not.
I think the community has no controll over this.
I personally would approach those sellers and convince them to reinvest
some of their earnings into OpenOffice development.
Maybe that could be business case.
All the best
Peter
On 25.05.2017 11:17, Pavel Belski wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'm by no means an expert on opensource licenses, so i just want to clarify
> something
>
> As I understand it, there is nothing wrong for someone to sell or repackage
> open sourced software, most open source licenses explicitly allow that.
> Provided of course that certain conditions are met(like one has to ship
> software sources with the product, is not allowed to change license and
> some other things?)
>
> In this case i don't exactly believe those listings are fraudulent just
> because they sell a product one can get for free somewhere else.
>
> It's how i understand the issue anyway.
>
> 2017-05-25 9:33 GMT+02:00 Loc Entertaintment <le...@gmail.com>:
>
>> Hi my name is James, I was shopping online for new software as I don't at
>> the moment have the $100's of dollars to purchase a new copy of microsoft
>> office suite and I came accross a couple of sellers on ebay selling your
>> product or product keys. I wanted to research OpenIffice as I have never
>> heard of it and it was being sold very low price(GBP 1.89 Approx. $2.45
>> USD) I found that if i went to the apache website the software is actually
>> free, so I couldn't imagine that the sells on ebay are legit. I wasn't sure
>> which email i should direct this concern to so I've sent it to the few
>> email addresses I thought might handle this situation. I've also sent
>> reports about the listed items to ebay both because I believe that they are
>> fraudulent listings and because they are selling download keys which
>> violates ebay T's and C's anyways. below I have posted links to a couple of
>> the ebay listings. If you have any questions or need more information my
>> contact info is also below. thank you for your time.
>>
>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Open-OFFICE-2016-PRO-Edition-Word-
>> Processor-Compatible-With-Microsoft-Windows-/252466589023?hash=
>> item3ac82e6d5f:g:sREAAOSw0fhXjU0s
>>
>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/2016-Open-Office-Home-Student-
>> Suite-for-Microsoft-Windows-10-Mac-doc/252312602393?_
>> trksid=p2045573.c100505.m3226&_trkparms=aid%3D555014%26algo%
>> 3DPL.DEFAULT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D41375%26meid%3D16408f0fbf654ed089f99ca7dc3e
>> 528f%26pid%3D100505%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D1%26
>>
>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/2016-OpenOffice-Home-Student-for-
>> Microsoft-Windows-10-8-8-1-7-Word-Excel-/262084546682?hash=
>> item3d0574d07a:g:H0AAAOSwg8FVAndS
>>
>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/2016-Office-Suite-Word-Processor-
>> Spreadsheet-Software-Microsoft-Windows-Mac-CD-/282411122715?hash=
>> item41c103c01b:g:vTUAAOSwSlBY2MZm
>>
>> there are too many listings for me to get them all but there are 4 of them
>> and there were tons more
>>
>>
>> you should also contact ebays VeRO Program:
>> http://pages.ebay.com/seller-center/listing/create-
>> effective-listings/vero-program.html#m17-1-tb2
>>
>>
>> James (Loc) Vial
>> Loc Entertainment LLC
>> 541-226-5756
>> ledgaf@gmail.com
>> facebook.com/LocEntertainment
>>
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Re: FRAUDULENT SALES OF OPENOFFICE
Posted by Pavel Belski <ge...@gmail.com>.
Hi,
I'm by no means an expert on opensource licenses, so i just want to clarify
something
As I understand it, there is nothing wrong for someone to sell or repackage
open sourced software, most open source licenses explicitly allow that.
Provided of course that certain conditions are met(like one has to ship
software sources with the product, is not allowed to change license and
some other things?)
In this case i don't exactly believe those listings are fraudulent just
because they sell a product one can get for free somewhere else.
It's how i understand the issue anyway.
2017-05-25 9:33 GMT+02:00 Loc Entertaintment <le...@gmail.com>:
> Hi my name is James, I was shopping online for new software as I don't at
> the moment have the $100's of dollars to purchase a new copy of microsoft
> office suite and I came accross a couple of sellers on ebay selling your
> product or product keys. I wanted to research OpenIffice as I have never
> heard of it and it was being sold very low price(GBP 1.89 Approx. $2.45
> USD) I found that if i went to the apache website the software is actually
> free, so I couldn't imagine that the sells on ebay are legit. I wasn't sure
> which email i should direct this concern to so I've sent it to the few
> email addresses I thought might handle this situation. I've also sent
> reports about the listed items to ebay both because I believe that they are
> fraudulent listings and because they are selling download keys which
> violates ebay T's and C's anyways. below I have posted links to a couple of
> the ebay listings. If you have any questions or need more information my
> contact info is also below. thank you for your time.
>
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Open-OFFICE-2016-PRO-Edition-Word-
> Processor-Compatible-With-Microsoft-Windows-/252466589023?hash=
> item3ac82e6d5f:g:sREAAOSw0fhXjU0s
>
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/2016-Open-Office-Home-Student-
> Suite-for-Microsoft-Windows-10-Mac-doc/252312602393?_
> trksid=p2045573.c100505.m3226&_trkparms=aid%3D555014%26algo%
> 3DPL.DEFAULT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D41375%26meid%3D16408f0fbf654ed089f99ca7dc3e
> 528f%26pid%3D100505%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D1%26
>
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/2016-OpenOffice-Home-Student-for-
> Microsoft-Windows-10-8-8-1-7-Word-Excel-/262084546682?hash=
> item3d0574d07a:g:H0AAAOSwg8FVAndS
>
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/2016-Office-Suite-Word-Processor-
> Spreadsheet-Software-Microsoft-Windows-Mac-CD-/282411122715?hash=
> item41c103c01b:g:vTUAAOSwSlBY2MZm
>
> there are too many listings for me to get them all but there are 4 of them
> and there were tons more
>
>
> you should also contact ebays VeRO Program:
> http://pages.ebay.com/seller-center/listing/create-
> effective-listings/vero-program.html#m17-1-tb2
>
>
> James (Loc) Vial
> Loc Entertainment LLC
> 541-226-5756
> ledgaf@gmail.com
> facebook.com/LocEntertainment
>
Re: FRAUDULENT SALES OF OPENOFFICE
Posted by Pavel Belski <ge...@gmail.com>.
Hi,
I'm by no means an expert on opensource licenses, so i just want to clarify
something
As I understand it, there is nothing wrong for someone to sell or repackage
open sourced software, most open source licenses explicitly allow that.
Provided of course that certain conditions are met(like one has to ship
software sources with the product, is not allowed to change license and
some other things?)
In this case i don't exactly believe those listings are fraudulent just
because they sell a product one can get for free somewhere else.
It's how i understand the issue anyway.
2017-05-25 9:33 GMT+02:00 Loc Entertaintment <le...@gmail.com>:
> Hi my name is James, I was shopping online for new software as I don't at
> the moment have the $100's of dollars to purchase a new copy of microsoft
> office suite and I came accross a couple of sellers on ebay selling your
> product or product keys. I wanted to research OpenIffice as I have never
> heard of it and it was being sold very low price(GBP 1.89 Approx. $2.45
> USD) I found that if i went to the apache website the software is actually
> free, so I couldn't imagine that the sells on ebay are legit. I wasn't sure
> which email i should direct this concern to so I've sent it to the few
> email addresses I thought might handle this situation. I've also sent
> reports about the listed items to ebay both because I believe that they are
> fraudulent listings and because they are selling download keys which
> violates ebay T's and C's anyways. below I have posted links to a couple of
> the ebay listings. If you have any questions or need more information my
> contact info is also below. thank you for your time.
>
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Open-OFFICE-2016-PRO-Edition-Word-
> Processor-Compatible-With-Microsoft-Windows-/252466589023?hash=
> item3ac82e6d5f:g:sREAAOSw0fhXjU0s
>
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/2016-Open-Office-Home-Student-
> Suite-for-Microsoft-Windows-10-Mac-doc/252312602393?_
> trksid=p2045573.c100505.m3226&_trkparms=aid%3D555014%26algo%
> 3DPL.DEFAULT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D41375%26meid%3D16408f0fbf654ed089f99ca7dc3e
> 528f%26pid%3D100505%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D1%26
>
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/2016-OpenOffice-Home-Student-for-
> Microsoft-Windows-10-8-8-1-7-Word-Excel-/262084546682?hash=
> item3d0574d07a:g:H0AAAOSwg8FVAndS
>
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/2016-Office-Suite-Word-Processor-
> Spreadsheet-Software-Microsoft-Windows-Mac-CD-/282411122715?hash=
> item41c103c01b:g:vTUAAOSwSlBY2MZm
>
> there are too many listings for me to get them all but there are 4 of them
> and there were tons more
>
>
> you should also contact ebays VeRO Program:
> http://pages.ebay.com/seller-center/listing/create-
> effective-listings/vero-program.html#m17-1-tb2
>
>
> James (Loc) Vial
> Loc Entertainment LLC
> 541-226-5756
> ledgaf@gmail.com
> facebook.com/LocEntertainment
>