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Posted to dev@cayenne.apache.org by Bill Dudney <bd...@apache.org> on 2006/10/28 17:46:09 UTC
wrap up from the software summit
Hi All,
Just wanted to let you all know about last week @ the software summit
(www.softwaresummit.com).
I presented;
http://bill.dudney.net/roller/resources/bill/Cayenne.pdf
at the conference.
There were about 600 people there and about 60 or 70 made it to one
of the talks I did on Cayenne. Generally everyone liked the idea of
Cayenne, there was a broad range of experience with R/O mapping, some
had done hibernate but many were doing straight JDBC or iBatis. The
JDBC'ers were very impressed with Cayenne, and the hibernater's were
pumped about the modeler :-)
Over all Cayenne was well received and I hope to see at least a
little of an uptick in the user list and maybe a new developer or two.
A couple of specific observations;
1) JPA support was high on many folks list of stuff that they wanted
to see.
2) One of the guys at the show backed up cayenne modeler to his 500+
table oracle db and the modeler pulled in all the metadata
flawlessly. He was quite impressed!
3) A lot of people still don't get the R/O thing. I was surprised at
the # of folks using iBatis to manage complex object graphs and
essentially re-implementing the relationship handling code on top of
iBatis.
If you have any notes or comments on the preso please feel free to
send them to me. I'll be updating the preso and giving it again I'm
sure. On that note it is licensed under creative commons so feel free
to use it at your local JUG or whatever to spread the word about
Cayenne.
TTFN,
-bd-
Re: wrap up from the software summit
Posted by Andrus Adamchik <an...@objectstyle.org>.
Very cool! I suggest that we add an entry about the presentation to
the Cayenne Wiki news section and link to it from the front page. If
you need more info on how to do that, please ping me on the dev list.
> 1) JPA support was high on many folks list of stuff that they
> wanted to see.
Yeah, I would imagine that.
> 2) One of the guys at the show backed up cayenne modeler to his 500
> + table oracle db and the modeler pulled in all the metadata
> flawlessly. He was quite impressed!
> 3) A lot of people still don't get the R/O thing. I was surprised
> at the # of folks using iBatis to manage complex object graphs and
> essentially re-implementing the relationship handling code on top
> of iBatis.
Interesting. I guess commoditization of Java ORM via EJB3 spec may
change this. And it is always good to know that there is still a wide
developer audience out there that is yet to discover the wonders of
ORM :-)
Andrus
On Oct 28, 2006, at 11:46 AM, Bill Dudney wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> Just wanted to let you all know about last week @ the software
> summit (www.softwaresummit.com).
>
> I presented;
>
> http://bill.dudney.net/roller/resources/bill/Cayenne.pdf
>
> at the conference.
>
> There were about 600 people there and about 60 or 70 made it to one
> of the talks I did on Cayenne. Generally everyone liked the idea of
> Cayenne, there was a broad range of experience with R/O mapping,
> some had done hibernate but many were doing straight JDBC or
> iBatis. The JDBC'ers were very impressed with Cayenne, and the
> hibernater's were pumped about the modeler :-)
>
> Over all Cayenne was well received and I hope to see at least a
> little of an uptick in the user list and maybe a new developer or two.
>
> A couple of specific observations;
>
> 1) JPA support was high on many folks list of stuff that they
> wanted to see.
> 2) One of the guys at the show backed up cayenne modeler to his 500
> + table oracle db and the modeler pulled in all the metadata
> flawlessly. He was quite impressed!
> 3) A lot of people still don't get the R/O thing. I was surprised
> at the # of folks using iBatis to manage complex object graphs and
> essentially re-implementing the relationship handling code on top
> of iBatis.
>
> If you have any notes or comments on the preso please feel free to
> send them to me. I'll be updating the preso and giving it again I'm
> sure. On that note it is licensed under creative commons so feel
> free to use it at your local JUG or whatever to spread the word
> about Cayenne.
>
> TTFN,
>
> -bd-
>
Re: wrap up from the software summit
Posted by Aristedes Maniatis <ar...@ish.com.au>.
On 29/10/2006, at 1:46 AM, Bill Dudney wrote:
> A lot of people still don't get the R/O thing.
Maybe you could add a couple of things to your presentation:
* multiple DataNodes. People will immediately see a difference when
compared to hard coding SQL statements through their application.
* showing how an existing legacy database can be refactored without
touching the db schema
* 3 tier, along with caching and paging.
These are things which will probably impress people who currently do
things the hard way.
Very interesting work though Bill. Maybe there is scope for a
presentation like this to be built on and made part of the Cayenne
docs. It could be flash, pdf or even a video presentation.
Ari Maniatis
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Re: wrap up from the software summit
Posted by Bill Dudney <bd...@mac.com>.
Hey Andrus,
Sorry for being lazy... I should have known this, I thought our site
was still being pulled from the objectspace site, but I didn't look
into it.
Thanks,
-bd-
On Oct 30, 2006, at 7:24 AM, Andrus Adamchik wrote:
> Hi Bill,
>
> Here is the routine:
>
> 1. check out the site sources from here:
>
> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/cayenne/site/
>
> 2. Update the contents in xdocs/xml/index.xml
>
> 3. Build with ant (just type "ant")
>
> 4. Check that "target/index.html" looks the way you like it.
>
> 5. Follow the instructions printed by Ant, namely:
>
> [echo] ==== To update the site, commit the changes and then do
> this:
> [echo] # ssh people.apache.org
> [echo] # cd /www/incubator.apache.org/cayenne/ && svn up
> [echo]
>
>
> Andrus
>
>
> On Oct 28, 2006, at 4:42 PM, Bill Dudney wrote:
>
>> Andrus,
>>
>> I added a news item but I don't know how to update the home page.
>>
>> Info appreciated.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> -bd-
>>
>> On Oct 28, 2006, at 9:46 AM, Bill Dudney wrote:
>>
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> Just wanted to let you all know about last week @ the software
>>> summit (www.softwaresummit.com).
>>>
>>> I presented;
>>>
>>> http://bill.dudney.net/roller/resources/bill/Cayenne.pdf
>>>
>>> at the conference.
>>>
>>> There were about 600 people there and about 60 or 70 made it to
>>> one of the talks I did on Cayenne. Generally everyone liked the
>>> idea of Cayenne, there was a broad range of experience with R/O
>>> mapping, some had done hibernate but many were doing straight
>>> JDBC or iBatis. The JDBC'ers were very impressed with Cayenne,
>>> and the hibernater's were pumped about the modeler :-)
>>>
>>> Over all Cayenne was well received and I hope to see at least a
>>> little of an uptick in the user list and maybe a new developer or
>>> two.
>>>
>>> A couple of specific observations;
>>>
>>> 1) JPA support was high on many folks list of stuff that they
>>> wanted to see.
>>> 2) One of the guys at the show backed up cayenne modeler to his
>>> 500+ table oracle db and the modeler pulled in all the metadata
>>> flawlessly. He was quite impressed!
>>> 3) A lot of people still don't get the R/O thing. I was surprised
>>> at the # of folks using iBatis to manage complex object graphs
>>> and essentially re-implementing the relationship handling code on
>>> top of iBatis.
>>>
>>> If you have any notes or comments on the preso please feel free
>>> to send them to me. I'll be updating the preso and giving it
>>> again I'm sure. On that note it is licensed under creative
>>> commons so feel free to use it at your local JUG or whatever to
>>> spread the word about Cayenne.
>>>
>>> TTFN,
>>>
>>> -bd-
>>
>>
>
Re: wrap up from the software summit
Posted by Andrus Adamchik <an...@objectstyle.org>.
Hi Bill,
Here is the routine:
1. check out the site sources from here:
https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/cayenne/site/
2. Update the contents in xdocs/xml/index.xml
3. Build with ant (just type "ant")
4. Check that "target/index.html" looks the way you like it.
5. Follow the instructions printed by Ant, namely:
[echo] ==== To update the site, commit the changes and then do
this:
[echo] # ssh people.apache.org
[echo] # cd /www/incubator.apache.org/cayenne/ && svn up
[echo]
Andrus
On Oct 28, 2006, at 4:42 PM, Bill Dudney wrote:
> Andrus,
>
> I added a news item but I don't know how to update the home page.
>
> Info appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
>
> -bd-
>
> On Oct 28, 2006, at 9:46 AM, Bill Dudney wrote:
>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> Just wanted to let you all know about last week @ the software
>> summit (www.softwaresummit.com).
>>
>> I presented;
>>
>> http://bill.dudney.net/roller/resources/bill/Cayenne.pdf
>>
>> at the conference.
>>
>> There were about 600 people there and about 60 or 70 made it to
>> one of the talks I did on Cayenne. Generally everyone liked the
>> idea of Cayenne, there was a broad range of experience with R/O
>> mapping, some had done hibernate but many were doing straight JDBC
>> or iBatis. The JDBC'ers were very impressed with Cayenne, and the
>> hibernater's were pumped about the modeler :-)
>>
>> Over all Cayenne was well received and I hope to see at least a
>> little of an uptick in the user list and maybe a new developer or
>> two.
>>
>> A couple of specific observations;
>>
>> 1) JPA support was high on many folks list of stuff that they
>> wanted to see.
>> 2) One of the guys at the show backed up cayenne modeler to his 500
>> + table oracle db and the modeler pulled in all the metadata
>> flawlessly. He was quite impressed!
>> 3) A lot of people still don't get the R/O thing. I was surprised
>> at the # of folks using iBatis to manage complex object graphs and
>> essentially re-implementing the relationship handling code on top
>> of iBatis.
>>
>> If you have any notes or comments on the preso please feel free to
>> send them to me. I'll be updating the preso and giving it again
>> I'm sure. On that note it is licensed under creative commons so
>> feel free to use it at your local JUG or whatever to spread the
>> word about Cayenne.
>>
>> TTFN,
>>
>> -bd-
>
>
Re: wrap up from the software summit
Posted by Bill Dudney <bd...@mac.com>.
Andrus,
I added a news item but I don't know how to update the home page.
Info appreciated.
Thanks,
-bd-
On Oct 28, 2006, at 9:46 AM, Bill Dudney wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> Just wanted to let you all know about last week @ the software
> summit (www.softwaresummit.com).
>
> I presented;
>
> http://bill.dudney.net/roller/resources/bill/Cayenne.pdf
>
> at the conference.
>
> There were about 600 people there and about 60 or 70 made it to one
> of the talks I did on Cayenne. Generally everyone liked the idea of
> Cayenne, there was a broad range of experience with R/O mapping,
> some had done hibernate but many were doing straight JDBC or
> iBatis. The JDBC'ers were very impressed with Cayenne, and the
> hibernater's were pumped about the modeler :-)
>
> Over all Cayenne was well received and I hope to see at least a
> little of an uptick in the user list and maybe a new developer or two.
>
> A couple of specific observations;
>
> 1) JPA support was high on many folks list of stuff that they
> wanted to see.
> 2) One of the guys at the show backed up cayenne modeler to his 500
> + table oracle db and the modeler pulled in all the metadata
> flawlessly. He was quite impressed!
> 3) A lot of people still don't get the R/O thing. I was surprised
> at the # of folks using iBatis to manage complex object graphs and
> essentially re-implementing the relationship handling code on top
> of iBatis.
>
> If you have any notes or comments on the preso please feel free to
> send them to me. I'll be updating the preso and giving it again I'm
> sure. On that note it is licensed under creative commons so feel
> free to use it at your local JUG or whatever to spread the word
> about Cayenne.
>
> TTFN,
>
> -bd-