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Posted to dev@plc4x.apache.org by Christofer Dutz <ch...@c-ware.de> on 2020/04/30 12:38:39 UTC
Add a list of companies using PLC4X without links back?
Hi all,
as one of our biggest problems is usually not being allowed to talk about the awesome stuff we do in projects it’s sort of a hen-egg-problem.
We can’t claim people are using it but not tell who …
If there are companies willing to openly announce they are using it, would it be in line with the ASF if we had a list on our website with company names and perhaps logos with companies openly stating they are or have been using PLC4X.
I know this is usually a problem with Apache’s non-profit charity thing.
But I would expect if there aren’t any links back to the companies this issue should be weakened.
Would it be possible to compile such a list / logo-wall?
What do you generally think about this?
Chris
Re: Add a list of companies using PLC4X without links back?
Posted by Julian Feinauer <j....@pragmaticminds.de>.
Hey,
yes. So then, get it started. You get my logo for free : )
Julian
Am 04.05.20, 12:53 schrieb "Christofer Dutz" <ch...@c-ware.de>:
Hi all,
yes I agree ... and I was currently just talking about companies "using" plc4x. As quite often I am asked: "do people use PLC4X" and I usually say: "sure quite a lot, unfortunately I can't tell you who" ... so if we had such a list, we would have something to refer to.
And yes ... let's discuss "products and services" separately ... here always a vote on the PLC should be required.
Chris
Am 04.05.20, 12:30 schrieb "Strljic, Matthias Milan" <ma...@isw.uni-stuttgart.de>:
Hi,
I would agree with Julian's position there and I think that this would further promote acceptance in the industry.
After all, the field of automation protocols is a rather delicate area in which trust is an essential point.
If this helps, I would also like to place my university institute or rather my employer (my is such a big word :D ) as a user. But as Julian mentioned, I would only accept any entry by PMC vote.
+1
Greetings
Mathi
________________________________
Von: Julian Feinauer <j....@pragmaticminds.de>
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 30. April 2020 21:49:25
An: dev@plc4x.apache.org
Betreff: Re: Add a list of companies using PLC4X without links back?
Hi,
I think we have to differentiate.
If its just a "users" list or "powered by" list then its fine and PR is the way to go!
Before we discussed about "companies that offer products / services around PLC4X" which is a different thing. Here, I still am convinced that we should always do it via PMC Vote to really ensure that no one "sneaks" in or someone is embarrassed that he is not on the list or whatever.
But I am +1 here (and would ofc place our logo there and get one or two of clients of us that now run solutions powered by PLC4X)
Julian
Am 30.04.20, 21:08 schrieb "Christofer Dutz" <ch...@c-ware.de>:
Hi folks,
I like the mode the Airflow folks are doing it ...
by not adding them manually, but only via PRs, I guess they are on the safe side.
What do you think folks?
Should we just create such a page?
(I'm taking about the "who's using" list)
If we had some use-cases or success-stories, I'd also like to have something like that, but not sure if companies are currently willing so share stuff like that and just having 1-2 of them would probably be counter-productive. We could start collecting them and add them to the navigation as soon as we have a critical mass of stories.
Chris
Am 30.04.20, 18:02 schrieb "Tomasz Urbaszek" <tu...@apache.org>:
Other projects have this as well:
https://spark.apache.org/powered-by.html
https://druid.apache.org/druid-powered
Of course, I agree with Łukasz that this should be done with the
consent of those companies. Probably best if done by those comapnies.
T.
On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 5:55 PM Łukasz Dywicki <lu...@code-house.org> wrote:
>
> Apache Karaf does that via stories page:
> https://karaf.apache.org/stories.html
> also has a "commercial support" section on the community page:
> https://karaf.apache.org/community.html
>
> Apache Camel has site dedicated only to commercial offerings:
> https://camel.apache.org/manual/latest/commercial-camel-offerings.html
>
> I think that major complain is listing a company without their consent
> or using their logo without a consent, simply due to possible trademark
> missuse disputes. It is much easier the other way around - when
> companies say "we would like to..". As you can see organizations are
> keen to "announce" they do something with above projects.
>
> I believe PLC4X doesn't have to be shy. :-)
>
> Cheers,
> Łukasz
>
> On 30.04.2020 14:54, Christofer Dutz wrote:
> > Hi Tomek,
> >
> > Yeah ... I would love something like that, but I remember when we had this discussion before, it might be that it's sort of frowned about.
> > I would only like to do this similarly if it's in line with ASF policies.
> >
> > Chris
> >
> >
> > Am 30.04.20, 14:50 schrieb "Tomasz Urbaszek" <tu...@apache.org>:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > Apache Airflow has such a list[1] and it's growing steadily. We have
> > also use-cases on our website[2] (with logos). In both cases, it's up
> > to the company/user to add this info (via PR). I think this really
> > helps. From a company perspective, it's one more place where you can
> > "shout out" about yourself. The problem is that sometimes companies
> > "would love to do this but someone has to do / write this"...
> >
> > [1] https://github.com/apache/airflow#who-uses-apache-airflow
> > [2] https://airflow.apache.org/use-cases/
> >
> > Tomek
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 2:38 PM Christofer Dutz
> > <ch...@c-ware.de> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > as one of our biggest problems is usually not being allowed to talk about the awesome stuff we do in projects it’s sort of a hen-egg-problem.
> > > We can’t claim people are using it but not tell who …
> > >
> > > If there are companies willing to openly announce they are using it, would it be in line with the ASF if we had a list on our website with company names and perhaps logos with companies openly stating they are or have been using PLC4X.
> > >
> > > I know this is usually a problem with Apache’s non-profit charity thing.
> > > But I would expect if there aren’t any links back to the companies this issue should be weakened.
> > >
> > > Would it be possible to compile such a list / logo-wall?
> > >
> > > What do you generally think about this?
> > >
> > > Chris
> > >
> >
Re: Add a list of companies using PLC4X without links back?
Posted by Christofer Dutz <ch...@c-ware.de>.
Hi all,
yes I agree ... and I was currently just talking about companies "using" plc4x. As quite often I am asked: "do people use PLC4X" and I usually say: "sure quite a lot, unfortunately I can't tell you who" ... so if we had such a list, we would have something to refer to.
And yes ... let's discuss "products and services" separately ... here always a vote on the PLC should be required.
Chris
Am 04.05.20, 12:30 schrieb "Strljic, Matthias Milan" <ma...@isw.uni-stuttgart.de>:
Hi,
I would agree with Julian's position there and I think that this would further promote acceptance in the industry.
After all, the field of automation protocols is a rather delicate area in which trust is an essential point.
If this helps, I would also like to place my university institute or rather my employer (my is such a big word :D ) as a user. But as Julian mentioned, I would only accept any entry by PMC vote.
+1
Greetings
Mathi
________________________________
Von: Julian Feinauer <j....@pragmaticminds.de>
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 30. April 2020 21:49:25
An: dev@plc4x.apache.org
Betreff: Re: Add a list of companies using PLC4X without links back?
Hi,
I think we have to differentiate.
If its just a "users" list or "powered by" list then its fine and PR is the way to go!
Before we discussed about "companies that offer products / services around PLC4X" which is a different thing. Here, I still am convinced that we should always do it via PMC Vote to really ensure that no one "sneaks" in or someone is embarrassed that he is not on the list or whatever.
But I am +1 here (and would ofc place our logo there and get one or two of clients of us that now run solutions powered by PLC4X)
Julian
Am 30.04.20, 21:08 schrieb "Christofer Dutz" <ch...@c-ware.de>:
Hi folks,
I like the mode the Airflow folks are doing it ...
by not adding them manually, but only via PRs, I guess they are on the safe side.
What do you think folks?
Should we just create such a page?
(I'm taking about the "who's using" list)
If we had some use-cases or success-stories, I'd also like to have something like that, but not sure if companies are currently willing so share stuff like that and just having 1-2 of them would probably be counter-productive. We could start collecting them and add them to the navigation as soon as we have a critical mass of stories.
Chris
Am 30.04.20, 18:02 schrieb "Tomasz Urbaszek" <tu...@apache.org>:
Other projects have this as well:
https://spark.apache.org/powered-by.html
https://druid.apache.org/druid-powered
Of course, I agree with Łukasz that this should be done with the
consent of those companies. Probably best if done by those comapnies.
T.
On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 5:55 PM Łukasz Dywicki <lu...@code-house.org> wrote:
>
> Apache Karaf does that via stories page:
> https://karaf.apache.org/stories.html
> also has a "commercial support" section on the community page:
> https://karaf.apache.org/community.html
>
> Apache Camel has site dedicated only to commercial offerings:
> https://camel.apache.org/manual/latest/commercial-camel-offerings.html
>
> I think that major complain is listing a company without their consent
> or using their logo without a consent, simply due to possible trademark
> missuse disputes. It is much easier the other way around - when
> companies say "we would like to..". As you can see organizations are
> keen to "announce" they do something with above projects.
>
> I believe PLC4X doesn't have to be shy. :-)
>
> Cheers,
> Łukasz
>
> On 30.04.2020 14:54, Christofer Dutz wrote:
> > Hi Tomek,
> >
> > Yeah ... I would love something like that, but I remember when we had this discussion before, it might be that it's sort of frowned about.
> > I would only like to do this similarly if it's in line with ASF policies.
> >
> > Chris
> >
> >
> > Am 30.04.20, 14:50 schrieb "Tomasz Urbaszek" <tu...@apache.org>:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > Apache Airflow has such a list[1] and it's growing steadily. We have
> > also use-cases on our website[2] (with logos). In both cases, it's up
> > to the company/user to add this info (via PR). I think this really
> > helps. From a company perspective, it's one more place where you can
> > "shout out" about yourself. The problem is that sometimes companies
> > "would love to do this but someone has to do / write this"...
> >
> > [1] https://github.com/apache/airflow#who-uses-apache-airflow
> > [2] https://airflow.apache.org/use-cases/
> >
> > Tomek
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 2:38 PM Christofer Dutz
> > <ch...@c-ware.de> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > as one of our biggest problems is usually not being allowed to talk about the awesome stuff we do in projects it’s sort of a hen-egg-problem.
> > > We can’t claim people are using it but not tell who …
> > >
> > > If there are companies willing to openly announce they are using it, would it be in line with the ASF if we had a list on our website with company names and perhaps logos with companies openly stating they are or have been using PLC4X.
> > >
> > > I know this is usually a problem with Apache’s non-profit charity thing.
> > > But I would expect if there aren’t any links back to the companies this issue should be weakened.
> > >
> > > Would it be possible to compile such a list / logo-wall?
> > >
> > > What do you generally think about this?
> > >
> > > Chris
> > >
> >
AW: Add a list of companies using PLC4X without links back?
Posted by "Strljic, Matthias Milan" <ma...@isw.uni-stuttgart.de>.
Hi,
I would agree with Julian's position there and I think that this would further promote acceptance in the industry.
After all, the field of automation protocols is a rather delicate area in which trust is an essential point.
If this helps, I would also like to place my university institute or rather my employer (my is such a big word :D ) as a user. But as Julian mentioned, I would only accept any entry by PMC vote.
+1
Greetings
Mathi
________________________________
Von: Julian Feinauer <j....@pragmaticminds.de>
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 30. April 2020 21:49:25
An: dev@plc4x.apache.org
Betreff: Re: Add a list of companies using PLC4X without links back?
Hi,
I think we have to differentiate.
If its just a "users" list or "powered by" list then its fine and PR is the way to go!
Before we discussed about "companies that offer products / services around PLC4X" which is a different thing. Here, I still am convinced that we should always do it via PMC Vote to really ensure that no one "sneaks" in or someone is embarrassed that he is not on the list or whatever.
But I am +1 here (and would ofc place our logo there and get one or two of clients of us that now run solutions powered by PLC4X)
Julian
Am 30.04.20, 21:08 schrieb "Christofer Dutz" <ch...@c-ware.de>:
Hi folks,
I like the mode the Airflow folks are doing it ...
by not adding them manually, but only via PRs, I guess they are on the safe side.
What do you think folks?
Should we just create such a page?
(I'm taking about the "who's using" list)
If we had some use-cases or success-stories, I'd also like to have something like that, but not sure if companies are currently willing so share stuff like that and just having 1-2 of them would probably be counter-productive. We could start collecting them and add them to the navigation as soon as we have a critical mass of stories.
Chris
Am 30.04.20, 18:02 schrieb "Tomasz Urbaszek" <tu...@apache.org>:
Other projects have this as well:
https://spark.apache.org/powered-by.html
https://druid.apache.org/druid-powered
Of course, I agree with Łukasz that this should be done with the
consent of those companies. Probably best if done by those comapnies.
T.
On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 5:55 PM Łukasz Dywicki <lu...@code-house.org> wrote:
>
> Apache Karaf does that via stories page:
> https://karaf.apache.org/stories.html
> also has a "commercial support" section on the community page:
> https://karaf.apache.org/community.html
>
> Apache Camel has site dedicated only to commercial offerings:
> https://camel.apache.org/manual/latest/commercial-camel-offerings.html
>
> I think that major complain is listing a company without their consent
> or using their logo without a consent, simply due to possible trademark
> missuse disputes. It is much easier the other way around - when
> companies say "we would like to..". As you can see organizations are
> keen to "announce" they do something with above projects.
>
> I believe PLC4X doesn't have to be shy. :-)
>
> Cheers,
> Łukasz
>
> On 30.04.2020 14:54, Christofer Dutz wrote:
> > Hi Tomek,
> >
> > Yeah ... I would love something like that, but I remember when we had this discussion before, it might be that it's sort of frowned about.
> > I would only like to do this similarly if it's in line with ASF policies.
> >
> > Chris
> >
> >
> > Am 30.04.20, 14:50 schrieb "Tomasz Urbaszek" <tu...@apache.org>:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > Apache Airflow has such a list[1] and it's growing steadily. We have
> > also use-cases on our website[2] (with logos). In both cases, it's up
> > to the company/user to add this info (via PR). I think this really
> > helps. From a company perspective, it's one more place where you can
> > "shout out" about yourself. The problem is that sometimes companies
> > "would love to do this but someone has to do / write this"...
> >
> > [1] https://github.com/apache/airflow#who-uses-apache-airflow
> > [2] https://airflow.apache.org/use-cases/
> >
> > Tomek
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 2:38 PM Christofer Dutz
> > <ch...@c-ware.de> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > as one of our biggest problems is usually not being allowed to talk about the awesome stuff we do in projects it’s sort of a hen-egg-problem.
> > > We can’t claim people are using it but not tell who …
> > >
> > > If there are companies willing to openly announce they are using it, would it be in line with the ASF if we had a list on our website with company names and perhaps logos with companies openly stating they are or have been using PLC4X.
> > >
> > > I know this is usually a problem with Apache’s non-profit charity thing.
> > > But I would expect if there aren’t any links back to the companies this issue should be weakened.
> > >
> > > Would it be possible to compile such a list / logo-wall?
> > >
> > > What do you generally think about this?
> > >
> > > Chris
> > >
> >
Re: Add a list of companies using PLC4X without links back?
Posted by Julian Feinauer <j....@pragmaticminds.de>.
Hi,
I think we have to differentiate.
If its just a "users" list or "powered by" list then its fine and PR is the way to go!
Before we discussed about "companies that offer products / services around PLC4X" which is a different thing. Here, I still am convinced that we should always do it via PMC Vote to really ensure that no one "sneaks" in or someone is embarrassed that he is not on the list or whatever.
But I am +1 here (and would ofc place our logo there and get one or two of clients of us that now run solutions powered by PLC4X)
Julian
Am 30.04.20, 21:08 schrieb "Christofer Dutz" <ch...@c-ware.de>:
Hi folks,
I like the mode the Airflow folks are doing it ...
by not adding them manually, but only via PRs, I guess they are on the safe side.
What do you think folks?
Should we just create such a page?
(I'm taking about the "who's using" list)
If we had some use-cases or success-stories, I'd also like to have something like that, but not sure if companies are currently willing so share stuff like that and just having 1-2 of them would probably be counter-productive. We could start collecting them and add them to the navigation as soon as we have a critical mass of stories.
Chris
Am 30.04.20, 18:02 schrieb "Tomasz Urbaszek" <tu...@apache.org>:
Other projects have this as well:
https://spark.apache.org/powered-by.html
https://druid.apache.org/druid-powered
Of course, I agree with Łukasz that this should be done with the
consent of those companies. Probably best if done by those comapnies.
T.
On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 5:55 PM Łukasz Dywicki <lu...@code-house.org> wrote:
>
> Apache Karaf does that via stories page:
> https://karaf.apache.org/stories.html
> also has a "commercial support" section on the community page:
> https://karaf.apache.org/community.html
>
> Apache Camel has site dedicated only to commercial offerings:
> https://camel.apache.org/manual/latest/commercial-camel-offerings.html
>
> I think that major complain is listing a company without their consent
> or using their logo without a consent, simply due to possible trademark
> missuse disputes. It is much easier the other way around - when
> companies say "we would like to..". As you can see organizations are
> keen to "announce" they do something with above projects.
>
> I believe PLC4X doesn't have to be shy. :-)
>
> Cheers,
> Łukasz
>
> On 30.04.2020 14:54, Christofer Dutz wrote:
> > Hi Tomek,
> >
> > Yeah ... I would love something like that, but I remember when we had this discussion before, it might be that it's sort of frowned about.
> > I would only like to do this similarly if it's in line with ASF policies.
> >
> > Chris
> >
> >
> > Am 30.04.20, 14:50 schrieb "Tomasz Urbaszek" <tu...@apache.org>:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > Apache Airflow has such a list[1] and it's growing steadily. We have
> > also use-cases on our website[2] (with logos). In both cases, it's up
> > to the company/user to add this info (via PR). I think this really
> > helps. From a company perspective, it's one more place where you can
> > "shout out" about yourself. The problem is that sometimes companies
> > "would love to do this but someone has to do / write this"...
> >
> > [1] https://github.com/apache/airflow#who-uses-apache-airflow
> > [2] https://airflow.apache.org/use-cases/
> >
> > Tomek
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 2:38 PM Christofer Dutz
> > <ch...@c-ware.de> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > as one of our biggest problems is usually not being allowed to talk about the awesome stuff we do in projects it’s sort of a hen-egg-problem.
> > > We can’t claim people are using it but not tell who …
> > >
> > > If there are companies willing to openly announce they are using it, would it be in line with the ASF if we had a list on our website with company names and perhaps logos with companies openly stating they are or have been using PLC4X.
> > >
> > > I know this is usually a problem with Apache’s non-profit charity thing.
> > > But I would expect if there aren’t any links back to the companies this issue should be weakened.
> > >
> > > Would it be possible to compile such a list / logo-wall?
> > >
> > > What do you generally think about this?
> > >
> > > Chris
> > >
> >
Re: Add a list of companies using PLC4X without links back?
Posted by Christofer Dutz <ch...@c-ware.de>.
Hi folks,
I like the mode the Airflow folks are doing it ...
by not adding them manually, but only via PRs, I guess they are on the safe side.
What do you think folks?
Should we just create such a page?
(I'm taking about the "who's using" list)
If we had some use-cases or success-stories, I'd also like to have something like that, but not sure if companies are currently willing so share stuff like that and just having 1-2 of them would probably be counter-productive. We could start collecting them and add them to the navigation as soon as we have a critical mass of stories.
Chris
Am 30.04.20, 18:02 schrieb "Tomasz Urbaszek" <tu...@apache.org>:
Other projects have this as well:
https://spark.apache.org/powered-by.html
https://druid.apache.org/druid-powered
Of course, I agree with Łukasz that this should be done with the
consent of those companies. Probably best if done by those comapnies.
T.
On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 5:55 PM Łukasz Dywicki <lu...@code-house.org> wrote:
>
> Apache Karaf does that via stories page:
> https://karaf.apache.org/stories.html
> also has a "commercial support" section on the community page:
> https://karaf.apache.org/community.html
>
> Apache Camel has site dedicated only to commercial offerings:
> https://camel.apache.org/manual/latest/commercial-camel-offerings.html
>
> I think that major complain is listing a company without their consent
> or using their logo without a consent, simply due to possible trademark
> missuse disputes. It is much easier the other way around - when
> companies say "we would like to..". As you can see organizations are
> keen to "announce" they do something with above projects.
>
> I believe PLC4X doesn't have to be shy. :-)
>
> Cheers,
> Łukasz
>
> On 30.04.2020 14:54, Christofer Dutz wrote:
> > Hi Tomek,
> >
> > Yeah ... I would love something like that, but I remember when we had this discussion before, it might be that it's sort of frowned about.
> > I would only like to do this similarly if it's in line with ASF policies.
> >
> > Chris
> >
> >
> > Am 30.04.20, 14:50 schrieb "Tomasz Urbaszek" <tu...@apache.org>:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > Apache Airflow has such a list[1] and it's growing steadily. We have
> > also use-cases on our website[2] (with logos). In both cases, it's up
> > to the company/user to add this info (via PR). I think this really
> > helps. From a company perspective, it's one more place where you can
> > "shout out" about yourself. The problem is that sometimes companies
> > "would love to do this but someone has to do / write this"...
> >
> > [1] https://github.com/apache/airflow#who-uses-apache-airflow
> > [2] https://airflow.apache.org/use-cases/
> >
> > Tomek
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 2:38 PM Christofer Dutz
> > <ch...@c-ware.de> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > as one of our biggest problems is usually not being allowed to talk about the awesome stuff we do in projects it’s sort of a hen-egg-problem.
> > > We can’t claim people are using it but not tell who …
> > >
> > > If there are companies willing to openly announce they are using it, would it be in line with the ASF if we had a list on our website with company names and perhaps logos with companies openly stating they are or have been using PLC4X.
> > >
> > > I know this is usually a problem with Apache’s non-profit charity thing.
> > > But I would expect if there aren’t any links back to the companies this issue should be weakened.
> > >
> > > Would it be possible to compile such a list / logo-wall?
> > >
> > > What do you generally think about this?
> > >
> > > Chris
> > >
> >
Re: Add a list of companies using PLC4X without links back?
Posted by Tomasz Urbaszek <tu...@apache.org>.
Other projects have this as well:
https://spark.apache.org/powered-by.html
https://druid.apache.org/druid-powered
Of course, I agree with Łukasz that this should be done with the
consent of those companies. Probably best if done by those comapnies.
T.
On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 5:55 PM Łukasz Dywicki <lu...@code-house.org> wrote:
>
> Apache Karaf does that via stories page:
> https://karaf.apache.org/stories.html
> also has a "commercial support" section on the community page:
> https://karaf.apache.org/community.html
>
> Apache Camel has site dedicated only to commercial offerings:
> https://camel.apache.org/manual/latest/commercial-camel-offerings.html
>
> I think that major complain is listing a company without their consent
> or using their logo without a consent, simply due to possible trademark
> missuse disputes. It is much easier the other way around - when
> companies say "we would like to..". As you can see organizations are
> keen to "announce" they do something with above projects.
>
> I believe PLC4X doesn't have to be shy. :-)
>
> Cheers,
> Łukasz
>
> On 30.04.2020 14:54, Christofer Dutz wrote:
> > Hi Tomek,
> >
> > Yeah ... I would love something like that, but I remember when we had this discussion before, it might be that it's sort of frowned about.
> > I would only like to do this similarly if it's in line with ASF policies.
> >
> > Chris
> >
> >
> > Am 30.04.20, 14:50 schrieb "Tomasz Urbaszek" <tu...@apache.org>:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > Apache Airflow has such a list[1] and it's growing steadily. We have
> > also use-cases on our website[2] (with logos). In both cases, it's up
> > to the company/user to add this info (via PR). I think this really
> > helps. From a company perspective, it's one more place where you can
> > "shout out" about yourself. The problem is that sometimes companies
> > "would love to do this but someone has to do / write this"...
> >
> > [1] https://github.com/apache/airflow#who-uses-apache-airflow
> > [2] https://airflow.apache.org/use-cases/
> >
> > Tomek
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 2:38 PM Christofer Dutz
> > <ch...@c-ware.de> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > as one of our biggest problems is usually not being allowed to talk about the awesome stuff we do in projects it’s sort of a hen-egg-problem.
> > > We can’t claim people are using it but not tell who …
> > >
> > > If there are companies willing to openly announce they are using it, would it be in line with the ASF if we had a list on our website with company names and perhaps logos with companies openly stating they are or have been using PLC4X.
> > >
> > > I know this is usually a problem with Apache’s non-profit charity thing.
> > > But I would expect if there aren’t any links back to the companies this issue should be weakened.
> > >
> > > Would it be possible to compile such a list / logo-wall?
> > >
> > > What do you generally think about this?
> > >
> > > Chris
> > >
> >
Re: Add a list of companies using PLC4X without links back?
Posted by Łukasz Dywicki <lu...@code-house.org>.
Apache Karaf does that via stories page:
https://karaf.apache.org/stories.html
also has a "commercial support" section on the community page:
https://karaf.apache.org/community.html
Apache Camel has site dedicated only to commercial offerings:
https://camel.apache.org/manual/latest/commercial-camel-offerings.html
I think that major complain is listing a company without their consent
or using their logo without a consent, simply due to possible trademark
missuse disputes. It is much easier the other way around - when
companies say "we would like to..". As you can see organizations are
keen to "announce" they do something with above projects.
I believe PLC4X doesn't have to be shy. :-)
Cheers,
Łukasz
On 30.04.2020 14:54, Christofer Dutz wrote:
> Hi Tomek,
>
> Yeah ... I would love something like that, but I remember when we had this discussion before, it might be that it's sort of frowned about.
> I would only like to do this similarly if it's in line with ASF policies.
>
> Chris
>
>
> Am 30.04.20, 14:50 schrieb "Tomasz Urbaszek" <tu...@apache.org>:
>
> Hi,
>
> Apache Airflow has such a list[1] and it's growing steadily. We have
> also use-cases on our website[2] (with logos). In both cases, it's up
> to the company/user to add this info (via PR). I think this really
> helps. From a company perspective, it's one more place where you can
> "shout out" about yourself. The problem is that sometimes companies
> "would love to do this but someone has to do / write this"...
>
> [1] https://github.com/apache/airflow#who-uses-apache-airflow
> [2] https://airflow.apache.org/use-cases/
>
> Tomek
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 2:38 PM Christofer Dutz
> <ch...@c-ware.de> wrote:
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > as one of our biggest problems is usually not being allowed to talk about the awesome stuff we do in projects it’s sort of a hen-egg-problem.
> > We can’t claim people are using it but not tell who …
> >
> > If there are companies willing to openly announce they are using it, would it be in line with the ASF if we had a list on our website with company names and perhaps logos with companies openly stating they are or have been using PLC4X.
> >
> > I know this is usually a problem with Apache’s non-profit charity thing.
> > But I would expect if there aren’t any links back to the companies this issue should be weakened.
> >
> > Would it be possible to compile such a list / logo-wall?
> >
> > What do you generally think about this?
> >
> > Chris
> >
>
Re: Add a list of companies using PLC4X without links back?
Posted by Christofer Dutz <ch...@c-ware.de>.
Hi Tomek,
Yeah ... I would love something like that, but I remember when we had this discussion before, it might be that it's sort of frowned about.
I would only like to do this similarly if it's in line with ASF policies.
Chris
Am 30.04.20, 14:50 schrieb "Tomasz Urbaszek" <tu...@apache.org>:
Hi,
Apache Airflow has such a list[1] and it's growing steadily. We have
also use-cases on our website[2] (with logos). In both cases, it's up
to the company/user to add this info (via PR). I think this really
helps. From a company perspective, it's one more place where you can
"shout out" about yourself. The problem is that sometimes companies
"would love to do this but someone has to do / write this"...
[1] https://github.com/apache/airflow#who-uses-apache-airflow
[2] https://airflow.apache.org/use-cases/
Tomek
On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 2:38 PM Christofer Dutz
<ch...@c-ware.de> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> as one of our biggest problems is usually not being allowed to talk about the awesome stuff we do in projects it’s sort of a hen-egg-problem.
> We can’t claim people are using it but not tell who …
>
> If there are companies willing to openly announce they are using it, would it be in line with the ASF if we had a list on our website with company names and perhaps logos with companies openly stating they are or have been using PLC4X.
>
> I know this is usually a problem with Apache’s non-profit charity thing.
> But I would expect if there aren’t any links back to the companies this issue should be weakened.
>
> Would it be possible to compile such a list / logo-wall?
>
> What do you generally think about this?
>
> Chris
>
Re: Add a list of companies using PLC4X without links back?
Posted by Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com>.
HI,
> It would really make sense to have this documented somewhere where everyone can read it.
I believe it on trademarks list to do.
Thanks,
Justin
Re: Add a list of companies using PLC4X without links back?
Posted by Christofer Dutz <ch...@c-ware.de>.
Hi Justin,
It would really make sense to have this documented somewhere where everyone can read it.
But I have no problems with it. Was just pointing out that the first document actually didn't explicitly say that.
Chris
________________________________
Von: Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com>
Gesendet: Samstag, 2. Mai 2020 01:09
An: dev@plc4x.apache.org <de...@plc4x.apache.org>
Betreff: Re: Add a list of companies using PLC4X without links back?
Hi,
> But the text in the link actually says you have to be consistent ... not that all links have to be no-follow.
You need to rad elsewhere - see also this [1]
Justin
1. https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/r68df1ac8c2895071ca81e5183ad181891c98bbe1e379488653568327%40%3Cprivate.incubator.apache.org%3E
Re: Add a list of companies using PLC4X without links back?
Posted by Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com>.
Hi,
> But the text in the link actually says you have to be consistent ... not that all links have to be no-follow.
You need to rad elsewhere - see also this [1]
Justin
1. https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/r68df1ac8c2895071ca81e5183ad181891c98bbe1e379488653568327%40%3Cprivate.incubator.apache.org%3E
Re: Add a list of companies using PLC4X without links back?
Posted by Christofer Dutz <ch...@c-ware.de>.
Hi Justin,
But the text in the link actually says you have to be consistent ... not that all links have to be no-follow.
Chris
Am 01.05.20, 16:39 schrieb "Justin Mclean" <ju...@classsoftware.com>:
Hi,
> Can you point to that policy?
See [1] also see recent conversation re shardingshpere and trademarks/branding.
Thanks,
Justin
1. https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/linking#projectthanks
Re: Add a list of companies using PLC4X without links back?
Posted by Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com>.
Hi,
> Can you point to that policy?
See [1] also see recent conversation re shardingshpere and trademarks/branding.
Thanks,
Justin
1. https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/linking#projectthanks
Re: Add a list of companies using PLC4X without links back?
Posted by Otto Fowler <ot...@gmail.com>.
Can you point to that policy?
On May 1, 2020 at 09:55:23, Justin Mclean (justin@classsoftware.com) wrote:
HI,
> [1] https://github.com/apache/airflow#who-uses-apache-airflow
Which as far as I can see doesn’t follow ASF policy - links need to be
no-follow for starters.
Thanks,
Justin
Re: Add a list of companies using PLC4X without links back?
Posted by Christofer Dutz <ch...@c-ware.de>.
Hi Justin,
So it seems in Asciidoc we could to this by "[opts=nofollow]".
If we simply do that, would that be ok?
I think I'll create an almost empty list which is currently not linked to the navigation menu
Then we have something to work with and discuss.
Chris
Am 01.05.20, 15:55 schrieb "Justin Mclean" <ju...@classsoftware.com>:
HI,
> [1] https://github.com/apache/airflow#who-uses-apache-airflow
Which as far as I can see doesn’t follow ASF policy - links need to be no-follow for starters.
Thanks,
Justin
Re: Add a list of companies using PLC4X without links back?
Posted by Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com>.
HI,
> [1] https://github.com/apache/airflow#who-uses-apache-airflow
Which as far as I can see doesn’t follow ASF policy - links need to be no-follow for starters.
Thanks,
Justin
Re: Add a list of companies using PLC4X without links back?
Posted by Tomasz Urbaszek <tu...@apache.org>.
Hi,
Apache Airflow has such a list[1] and it's growing steadily. We have
also use-cases on our website[2] (with logos). In both cases, it's up
to the company/user to add this info (via PR). I think this really
helps. From a company perspective, it's one more place where you can
"shout out" about yourself. The problem is that sometimes companies
"would love to do this but someone has to do / write this"...
[1] https://github.com/apache/airflow#who-uses-apache-airflow
[2] https://airflow.apache.org/use-cases/
Tomek
On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 2:38 PM Christofer Dutz
<ch...@c-ware.de> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> as one of our biggest problems is usually not being allowed to talk about the awesome stuff we do in projects it’s sort of a hen-egg-problem.
> We can’t claim people are using it but not tell who …
>
> If there are companies willing to openly announce they are using it, would it be in line with the ASF if we had a list on our website with company names and perhaps logos with companies openly stating they are or have been using PLC4X.
>
> I know this is usually a problem with Apache’s non-profit charity thing.
> But I would expect if there aren’t any links back to the companies this issue should be weakened.
>
> Would it be possible to compile such a list / logo-wall?
>
> What do you generally think about this?
>
> Chris
>