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Posted to dev@hbase.apache.org by Sean Busbey <bu...@cloudera.com> on 2014/08/05 15:43:57 UTC
what label is used for issues that are good on ramps for new contributors?
I'd like to add to the "Getting Involved" section on jira[1] to add a
pointer to issues that are a good for ramping up on HBase development.
Preferably, these would be tickets that
* Have been vetted as desired and non-controversial
* Are low priority so they need not be done under time pressure
* Offer a view of some (small-ish) part of the code base
* Require minimal information about HBase outside of the section to be fixed
Before I add file a ticket and put up a patch, what label do we use to mark
these tickets? Looking at jira, I can see some evidence of both "newbie"[2]
and "noob"[3].
I am used to seeing "newbie" on other projects, so I had started with that
label. However, it looks like "noob" is used more regularly on HBase.
I worry that "noob" might be viewed as pejorative and discourage some
potential contributors.
[1]: http://hbase.apache.org/book.html#jira
[2]: http://s.apache.org/exr
[3]: http://s.apache.org/XS6
--
Sean
Re: what label is used for issues that are good on ramps for new contributors?
Posted by Sean Busbey <bu...@cloudera.com>.
Thanks Andrew!
On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 3:09 PM, Andrew Purtell <ap...@apache.org> wrote:
> The consensus preferred "beginner". I have updated all unresolved issues
> with a label or tag "newbie" or "noob" and replaced those occurrences with
> "beginner". You can see the result using the JQL 'project = HBASE AND
> labels in (beginner)'
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 6:43 AM, Sean Busbey <bu...@cloudera.com> wrote:
>
> > I'd like to add to the "Getting Involved" section on jira[1] to add a
> > pointer to issues that are a good for ramping up on HBase development.
> >
> > Preferably, these would be tickets that
> >
> > * Have been vetted as desired and non-controversial
> > * Are low priority so they need not be done under time pressure
> > * Offer a view of some (small-ish) part of the code base
> > * Require minimal information about HBase outside of the section to be
> > fixed
> >
> > Before I add file a ticket and put up a patch, what label do we use to
> mark
> > these tickets? Looking at jira, I can see some evidence of both
> "newbie"[2]
> > and "noob"[3].
> >
> > I am used to seeing "newbie" on other projects, so I had started with
> that
> > label. However, it looks like "noob" is used more regularly on HBase.
> >
> > I worry that "noob" might be viewed as pejorative and discourage some
> > potential contributors.
> >
> > [1]: http://hbase.apache.org/book.html#jira
> > [2]: http://s.apache.org/exr
> > [3]: http://s.apache.org/XS6
> >
> > --
> > Sean
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Best regards,
>
> - Andy
>
> Problems worthy of attack prove their worth by hitting back. - Piet Hein
> (via Tom White)
>
--
Sean
Re: what label is used for issues that are good on ramps for new contributors?
Posted by Andrew Purtell <ap...@apache.org>.
The consensus preferred "beginner". I have updated all unresolved issues
with a label or tag "newbie" or "noob" and replaced those occurrences with
"beginner". You can see the result using the JQL 'project = HBASE AND
labels in (beginner)'
On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 6:43 AM, Sean Busbey <bu...@cloudera.com> wrote:
> I'd like to add to the "Getting Involved" section on jira[1] to add a
> pointer to issues that are a good for ramping up on HBase development.
>
> Preferably, these would be tickets that
>
> * Have been vetted as desired and non-controversial
> * Are low priority so they need not be done under time pressure
> * Offer a view of some (small-ish) part of the code base
> * Require minimal information about HBase outside of the section to be
> fixed
>
> Before I add file a ticket and put up a patch, what label do we use to mark
> these tickets? Looking at jira, I can see some evidence of both "newbie"[2]
> and "noob"[3].
>
> I am used to seeing "newbie" on other projects, so I had started with that
> label. However, it looks like "noob" is used more regularly on HBase.
>
> I worry that "noob" might be viewed as pejorative and discourage some
> potential contributors.
>
> [1]: http://hbase.apache.org/book.html#jira
> [2]: http://s.apache.org/exr
> [3]: http://s.apache.org/XS6
>
> --
> Sean
>
--
Best regards,
- Andy
Problems worthy of attack prove their worth by hitting back. - Piet Hein
(via Tom White)
Re: what label is used for issues that are good on ramps for new contributors?
Posted by Andrew Purtell <ap...@apache.org>.
We could do "starter". Let me know if you'd like different. I'll start
updating issues later today.
On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 10:15 AM, Ted Yu <yu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Both "intro" and "starter" sound good to me.
>
> Slightly tilting toward "starter".
>
> Cheers
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 8:43 AM, Sean Busbey <bu...@cloudera.com> wrote:
>
> > The labels "introductory" or "intro" seem the most straightforward to me.
> >
> > Could a non-native English speaker comment on if either makes more sense
> > (or if something else would be better still)?
> >
> > -Sean
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 10:35 AM, Andrew Purtell <ap...@apache.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Yes we can change that. I volunteer to change it. What should the new
> > label
> > > be?
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 7:18 AM, Jonathan Hsieh <jo...@cloudera.com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > We've just used 'noob', and in other cases marked the issue as
> > 'trivial'.
> > > >
> > > > If we really wanted to remove any perceived stigma away we'd called
> > them
> > > > 'starter' or 'intro' issue to remove negative connotation. If others
> > > agree
> > > > we can chage this.
> > > >
> > > > Jon.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 6:43 AM, Sean Busbey <bu...@cloudera.com>
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I'd like to add to the "Getting Involved" section on jira[1] to
> add a
> > > > > pointer to issues that are a good for ramping up on HBase
> > development.
> > > > >
> > > > > Preferably, these would be tickets that
> > > > >
> > > > > * Have been vetted as desired and non-controversial
> > > > > * Are low priority so they need not be done under time pressure
> > > > > * Offer a view of some (small-ish) part of the code base
> > > > > * Require minimal information about HBase outside of the section to
> > be
> > > > > fixed
> > > > >
> > > > > Before I add file a ticket and put up a patch, what label do we use
> > to
> > > > mark
> > > > > these tickets? Looking at jira, I can see some evidence of both
> > > > "newbie"[2]
> > > > > and "noob"[3].
> > > > >
> > > > > I am used to seeing "newbie" on other projects, so I had started
> with
> > > > that
> > > > > label. However, it looks like "noob" is used more regularly on
> HBase.
> > > > >
> > > > > I worry that "noob" might be viewed as pejorative and discourage
> some
> > > > > potential contributors.
> > > > >
> > > > > [1]: http://hbase.apache.org/book.html#jira
> > > > > [2]: http://s.apache.org/exr
> > > > > [3]: http://s.apache.org/XS6
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Sean
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > // Jonathan Hsieh (shay)
> > > > // HBase Tech Lead, Software Engineer, Cloudera
> > > > // jon@cloudera.com // @jmhsieh
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Best regards,
> > >
> > > - Andy
> > >
> > > Problems worthy of attack prove their worth by hitting back. - Piet
> Hein
> > > (via Tom White)
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Sean
> >
>
--
Best regards,
- Andy
Problems worthy of attack prove their worth by hitting back. - Piet Hein
(via Tom White)
Re: what label is used for issues that are good on ramps for new contributors?
Posted by Ted Yu <yu...@gmail.com>.
Both "intro" and "starter" sound good to me.
Slightly tilting toward "starter".
Cheers
On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 8:43 AM, Sean Busbey <bu...@cloudera.com> wrote:
> The labels "introductory" or "intro" seem the most straightforward to me.
>
> Could a non-native English speaker comment on if either makes more sense
> (or if something else would be better still)?
>
> -Sean
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 10:35 AM, Andrew Purtell <ap...@apache.org>
> wrote:
>
> > Yes we can change that. I volunteer to change it. What should the new
> label
> > be?
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 7:18 AM, Jonathan Hsieh <jo...@cloudera.com> wrote:
> >
> > > We've just used 'noob', and in other cases marked the issue as
> 'trivial'.
> > >
> > > If we really wanted to remove any perceived stigma away we'd called
> them
> > > 'starter' or 'intro' issue to remove negative connotation. If others
> > agree
> > > we can chage this.
> > >
> > > Jon.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 6:43 AM, Sean Busbey <bu...@cloudera.com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > I'd like to add to the "Getting Involved" section on jira[1] to add a
> > > > pointer to issues that are a good for ramping up on HBase
> development.
> > > >
> > > > Preferably, these would be tickets that
> > > >
> > > > * Have been vetted as desired and non-controversial
> > > > * Are low priority so they need not be done under time pressure
> > > > * Offer a view of some (small-ish) part of the code base
> > > > * Require minimal information about HBase outside of the section to
> be
> > > > fixed
> > > >
> > > > Before I add file a ticket and put up a patch, what label do we use
> to
> > > mark
> > > > these tickets? Looking at jira, I can see some evidence of both
> > > "newbie"[2]
> > > > and "noob"[3].
> > > >
> > > > I am used to seeing "newbie" on other projects, so I had started with
> > > that
> > > > label. However, it looks like "noob" is used more regularly on HBase.
> > > >
> > > > I worry that "noob" might be viewed as pejorative and discourage some
> > > > potential contributors.
> > > >
> > > > [1]: http://hbase.apache.org/book.html#jira
> > > > [2]: http://s.apache.org/exr
> > > > [3]: http://s.apache.org/XS6
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Sean
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > // Jonathan Hsieh (shay)
> > > // HBase Tech Lead, Software Engineer, Cloudera
> > > // jon@cloudera.com // @jmhsieh
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Best regards,
> >
> > - Andy
> >
> > Problems worthy of attack prove their worth by hitting back. - Piet Hein
> > (via Tom White)
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Sean
>
Re: what label is used for issues that are good on ramps for new contributors?
Posted by lars hofhansl <la...@apache.org>.
+1 on changing that. "noob" is not very inviting :)
________________________________
From: Sean Busbey <bu...@cloudera.com>
To: dev <de...@hbase.apache.org>
Sent: Tuesday, August 5, 2014 8:43 AM
Subject: Re: what label is used for issues that are good on ramps for new contributors?
The labels "introductory" or "intro" seem the most straightforward to me.
Could a non-native English speaker comment on if either makes more sense
(or if something else would be better still)?
-Sean
On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 10:35 AM, Andrew Purtell <ap...@apache.org> wrote:
> Yes we can change that. I volunteer to change it. What should the new label
> be?
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 7:18 AM, Jonathan Hsieh <jo...@cloudera.com> wrote:
>
> > We've just used 'noob', and in other cases marked the issue as 'trivial'.
> >
> > If we really wanted to remove any perceived stigma away we'd called them
> > 'starter' or 'intro' issue to remove negative connotation. If others
> agree
> > we can chage this.
> >
> > Jon.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 6:43 AM, Sean Busbey <bu...@cloudera.com> wrote:
> >
> > > I'd like to add to the "Getting Involved" section on jira[1] to add a
> > > pointer to issues that are a good for ramping up on HBase development.
> > >
> > > Preferably, these would be tickets that
> > >
> > > * Have been vetted as desired and non-controversial
> > > * Are low priority so they need not be done under time pressure
> > > * Offer a view of some (small-ish) part of the code base
> > > * Require minimal information about HBase outside of the section to be
> > > fixed
> > >
> > > Before I add file a ticket and put up a patch, what label do we use to
> > mark
> > > these tickets? Looking at jira, I can see some evidence of both
> > "newbie"[2]
> > > and "noob"[3].
> > >
> > > I am used to seeing "newbie" on other projects, so I had started with
> > that
> > > label. However, it looks like "noob" is used more regularly on HBase.
> > >
> > > I worry that "noob" might be viewed as pejorative and discourage some
> > > potential contributors.
> > >
> > > [1]: http://hbase.apache.org/book.html#jira
> > > [2]: http://s.apache.org/exr
> > > [3]: http://s.apache.org/XS6
> > >
> > > --
> > > Sean
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > // Jonathan Hsieh (shay)
> > // HBase Tech Lead, Software Engineer, Cloudera
> > // jon@cloudera.com // @jmhsieh
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Best regards,
>
> - Andy
>
> Problems worthy of attack prove their worth by hitting back. - Piet Hein
> (via Tom White)
>
--
Sean
Re: what label is used for issues that are good on ramps for new contributors?
Posted by Ted Yu <yu...@gmail.com>.
Fine with "beginner"
Cheers
On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 12:13 PM, Sean Busbey <bu...@cloudera.com> wrote:
> +1 "beginner"
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 12:55 PM, Mikhail Antonov <ol...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > "Could a non-native English speaker comment on if either makes more sense
> > (or if something else would be better still)?"
> >
> > "beginner" or "for_beginners" would be good IMO.
> >
> > -Mikhail
> >
> >
> > 2014-08-05 8:43 GMT-07:00 Sean Busbey <bu...@cloudera.com>:
> >
> > > The labels "introductory" or "intro" seem the most straightforward to
> me.
> > >
> > > Could a non-native English speaker comment on if either makes more
> sense
> > > (or if something else would be better still)?
> > >
> > > -Sean
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 10:35 AM, Andrew Purtell <ap...@apache.org>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Yes we can change that. I volunteer to change it. What should the new
> > > label
> > > > be?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 7:18 AM, Jonathan Hsieh <jo...@cloudera.com>
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > We've just used 'noob', and in other cases marked the issue as
> > > 'trivial'.
> > > > >
> > > > > If we really wanted to remove any perceived stigma away we'd called
> > > them
> > > > > 'starter' or 'intro' issue to remove negative connotation. If
> others
> > > > agree
> > > > > we can chage this.
> > > > >
> > > > > Jon.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 6:43 AM, Sean Busbey <bu...@cloudera.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > I'd like to add to the "Getting Involved" section on jira[1] to
> > add a
> > > > > > pointer to issues that are a good for ramping up on HBase
> > > development.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Preferably, these would be tickets that
> > > > > >
> > > > > > * Have been vetted as desired and non-controversial
> > > > > > * Are low priority so they need not be done under time pressure
> > > > > > * Offer a view of some (small-ish) part of the code base
> > > > > > * Require minimal information about HBase outside of the section
> to
> > > be
> > > > > > fixed
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Before I add file a ticket and put up a patch, what label do we
> use
> > > to
> > > > > mark
> > > > > > these tickets? Looking at jira, I can see some evidence of both
> > > > > "newbie"[2]
> > > > > > and "noob"[3].
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I am used to seeing "newbie" on other projects, so I had started
> > with
> > > > > that
> > > > > > label. However, it looks like "noob" is used more regularly on
> > HBase.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I worry that "noob" might be viewed as pejorative and discourage
> > some
> > > > > > potential contributors.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > [1]: http://hbase.apache.org/book.html#jira
> > > > > > [2]: http://s.apache.org/exr
> > > > > > [3]: http://s.apache.org/XS6
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > Sean
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > // Jonathan Hsieh (shay)
> > > > > // HBase Tech Lead, Software Engineer, Cloudera
> > > > > // jon@cloudera.com // @jmhsieh
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Best regards,
> > > >
> > > > - Andy
> > > >
> > > > Problems worthy of attack prove their worth by hitting back. - Piet
> > Hein
> > > > (via Tom White)
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Sean
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Thanks,
> > Michael Antonov
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Sean
>
Re: what label is used for issues that are good on ramps for new contributors?
Posted by Sean Busbey <bu...@cloudera.com>.
+1 "beginner"
On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 12:55 PM, Mikhail Antonov <ol...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> "Could a non-native English speaker comment on if either makes more sense
> (or if something else would be better still)?"
>
> "beginner" or "for_beginners" would be good IMO.
>
> -Mikhail
>
>
> 2014-08-05 8:43 GMT-07:00 Sean Busbey <bu...@cloudera.com>:
>
> > The labels "introductory" or "intro" seem the most straightforward to me.
> >
> > Could a non-native English speaker comment on if either makes more sense
> > (or if something else would be better still)?
> >
> > -Sean
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 10:35 AM, Andrew Purtell <ap...@apache.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Yes we can change that. I volunteer to change it. What should the new
> > label
> > > be?
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 7:18 AM, Jonathan Hsieh <jo...@cloudera.com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > We've just used 'noob', and in other cases marked the issue as
> > 'trivial'.
> > > >
> > > > If we really wanted to remove any perceived stigma away we'd called
> > them
> > > > 'starter' or 'intro' issue to remove negative connotation. If others
> > > agree
> > > > we can chage this.
> > > >
> > > > Jon.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 6:43 AM, Sean Busbey <bu...@cloudera.com>
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I'd like to add to the "Getting Involved" section on jira[1] to
> add a
> > > > > pointer to issues that are a good for ramping up on HBase
> > development.
> > > > >
> > > > > Preferably, these would be tickets that
> > > > >
> > > > > * Have been vetted as desired and non-controversial
> > > > > * Are low priority so they need not be done under time pressure
> > > > > * Offer a view of some (small-ish) part of the code base
> > > > > * Require minimal information about HBase outside of the section to
> > be
> > > > > fixed
> > > > >
> > > > > Before I add file a ticket and put up a patch, what label do we use
> > to
> > > > mark
> > > > > these tickets? Looking at jira, I can see some evidence of both
> > > > "newbie"[2]
> > > > > and "noob"[3].
> > > > >
> > > > > I am used to seeing "newbie" on other projects, so I had started
> with
> > > > that
> > > > > label. However, it looks like "noob" is used more regularly on
> HBase.
> > > > >
> > > > > I worry that "noob" might be viewed as pejorative and discourage
> some
> > > > > potential contributors.
> > > > >
> > > > > [1]: http://hbase.apache.org/book.html#jira
> > > > > [2]: http://s.apache.org/exr
> > > > > [3]: http://s.apache.org/XS6
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Sean
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > // Jonathan Hsieh (shay)
> > > > // HBase Tech Lead, Software Engineer, Cloudera
> > > > // jon@cloudera.com // @jmhsieh
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Best regards,
> > >
> > > - Andy
> > >
> > > Problems worthy of attack prove their worth by hitting back. - Piet
> Hein
> > > (via Tom White)
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Sean
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Thanks,
> Michael Antonov
>
--
Sean
Re: what label is used for issues that are good on ramps for new contributors?
Posted by Andrew Purtell <ap...@apache.org>.
Looking like "beginner" is the winner.
On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 11:41 AM, Nick Dimiduk <nd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Is "noob" really "pejorative"? If you must change it, I prefer "beginner".
>
> I do like having a distinction separate from the severity of the ticket;
> the criticality is orthogonal to how complex or involved it's solution
> might be.
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 11:27 AM, Jonathan Hsieh <jo...@cloudera.com> wrote:
>
> > +1 for beginner (+0.5 for all the others).
> >
> > Jon.
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 10:55 AM, Mikhail Antonov <ol...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > "Could a non-native English speaker comment on if either makes more
> sense
> > > (or if something else would be better still)?"
> > >
> > > "beginner" or "for_beginners" would be good IMO.
> > >
> > > -Mikhail
> > >
> > >
> > > 2014-08-05 8:43 GMT-07:00 Sean Busbey <bu...@cloudera.com>:
> > >
> > > > The labels "introductory" or "intro" seem the most straightforward to
> > me.
> > > >
> > > > Could a non-native English speaker comment on if either makes more
> > sense
> > > > (or if something else would be better still)?
> > > >
> > > > -Sean
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 10:35 AM, Andrew Purtell <apurtell@apache.org
> >
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Yes we can change that. I volunteer to change it. What should the
> new
> > > > label
> > > > > be?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 7:18 AM, Jonathan Hsieh <jo...@cloudera.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > We've just used 'noob', and in other cases marked the issue as
> > > > 'trivial'.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If we really wanted to remove any perceived stigma away we'd
> called
> > > > them
> > > > > > 'starter' or 'intro' issue to remove negative connotation. If
> > others
> > > > > agree
> > > > > > we can chage this.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Jon.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 6:43 AM, Sean Busbey <busbey@cloudera.com
> >
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > I'd like to add to the "Getting Involved" section on jira[1] to
> > > add a
> > > > > > > pointer to issues that are a good for ramping up on HBase
> > > > development.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Preferably, these would be tickets that
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > * Have been vetted as desired and non-controversial
> > > > > > > * Are low priority so they need not be done under time pressure
> > > > > > > * Offer a view of some (small-ish) part of the code base
> > > > > > > * Require minimal information about HBase outside of the
> section
> > to
> > > > be
> > > > > > > fixed
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Before I add file a ticket and put up a patch, what label do we
> > use
> > > > to
> > > > > > mark
> > > > > > > these tickets? Looking at jira, I can see some evidence of both
> > > > > > "newbie"[2]
> > > > > > > and "noob"[3].
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I am used to seeing "newbie" on other projects, so I had
> started
> > > with
> > > > > > that
> > > > > > > label. However, it looks like "noob" is used more regularly on
> > > HBase.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I worry that "noob" might be viewed as pejorative and
> discourage
> > > some
> > > > > > > potential contributors.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > [1]: http://hbase.apache.org/book.html#jira
> > > > > > > [2]: http://s.apache.org/exr
> > > > > > > [3]: http://s.apache.org/XS6
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > Sean
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > // Jonathan Hsieh (shay)
> > > > > > // HBase Tech Lead, Software Engineer, Cloudera
> > > > > > // jon@cloudera.com // @jmhsieh
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Best regards,
> > > > >
> > > > > - Andy
> > > > >
> > > > > Problems worthy of attack prove their worth by hitting back. - Piet
> > > Hein
> > > > > (via Tom White)
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Sean
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Thanks,
> > > Michael Antonov
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > // Jonathan Hsieh (shay)
> > // HBase Tech Lead, Software Engineer, Cloudera
> > // jon@cloudera.com // @jmhsieh
> >
>
--
Best regards,
- Andy
Problems worthy of attack prove their worth by hitting back. - Piet Hein
(via Tom White)
Re: what label is used for issues that are good on ramps for new contributors?
Posted by Nick Dimiduk <nd...@gmail.com>.
Is "noob" really "pejorative"? If you must change it, I prefer "beginner".
I do like having a distinction separate from the severity of the ticket;
the criticality is orthogonal to how complex or involved it's solution
might be.
On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 11:27 AM, Jonathan Hsieh <jo...@cloudera.com> wrote:
> +1 for beginner (+0.5 for all the others).
>
> Jon.
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 10:55 AM, Mikhail Antonov <ol...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > "Could a non-native English speaker comment on if either makes more sense
> > (or if something else would be better still)?"
> >
> > "beginner" or "for_beginners" would be good IMO.
> >
> > -Mikhail
> >
> >
> > 2014-08-05 8:43 GMT-07:00 Sean Busbey <bu...@cloudera.com>:
> >
> > > The labels "introductory" or "intro" seem the most straightforward to
> me.
> > >
> > > Could a non-native English speaker comment on if either makes more
> sense
> > > (or if something else would be better still)?
> > >
> > > -Sean
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 10:35 AM, Andrew Purtell <ap...@apache.org>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Yes we can change that. I volunteer to change it. What should the new
> > > label
> > > > be?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 7:18 AM, Jonathan Hsieh <jo...@cloudera.com>
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > We've just used 'noob', and in other cases marked the issue as
> > > 'trivial'.
> > > > >
> > > > > If we really wanted to remove any perceived stigma away we'd called
> > > them
> > > > > 'starter' or 'intro' issue to remove negative connotation. If
> others
> > > > agree
> > > > > we can chage this.
> > > > >
> > > > > Jon.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 6:43 AM, Sean Busbey <bu...@cloudera.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > I'd like to add to the "Getting Involved" section on jira[1] to
> > add a
> > > > > > pointer to issues that are a good for ramping up on HBase
> > > development.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Preferably, these would be tickets that
> > > > > >
> > > > > > * Have been vetted as desired and non-controversial
> > > > > > * Are low priority so they need not be done under time pressure
> > > > > > * Offer a view of some (small-ish) part of the code base
> > > > > > * Require minimal information about HBase outside of the section
> to
> > > be
> > > > > > fixed
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Before I add file a ticket and put up a patch, what label do we
> use
> > > to
> > > > > mark
> > > > > > these tickets? Looking at jira, I can see some evidence of both
> > > > > "newbie"[2]
> > > > > > and "noob"[3].
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I am used to seeing "newbie" on other projects, so I had started
> > with
> > > > > that
> > > > > > label. However, it looks like "noob" is used more regularly on
> > HBase.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I worry that "noob" might be viewed as pejorative and discourage
> > some
> > > > > > potential contributors.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > [1]: http://hbase.apache.org/book.html#jira
> > > > > > [2]: http://s.apache.org/exr
> > > > > > [3]: http://s.apache.org/XS6
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > Sean
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > // Jonathan Hsieh (shay)
> > > > > // HBase Tech Lead, Software Engineer, Cloudera
> > > > > // jon@cloudera.com // @jmhsieh
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Best regards,
> > > >
> > > > - Andy
> > > >
> > > > Problems worthy of attack prove their worth by hitting back. - Piet
> > Hein
> > > > (via Tom White)
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Sean
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Thanks,
> > Michael Antonov
> >
>
>
>
> --
> // Jonathan Hsieh (shay)
> // HBase Tech Lead, Software Engineer, Cloudera
> // jon@cloudera.com // @jmhsieh
>
Re: what label is used for issues that are good on ramps for new contributors?
Posted by Stack <st...@duboce.net>.
+1 beginner
On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 11:27 AM, Jonathan Hsieh <jo...@cloudera.com> wrote:
> +1 for beginner (+0.5 for all the others).
>
> Jon.
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 10:55 AM, Mikhail Antonov <ol...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > "Could a non-native English speaker comment on if either makes more sense
> > (or if something else would be better still)?"
> >
> > "beginner" or "for_beginners" would be good IMO.
> >
> > -Mikhail
> >
> >
> > 2014-08-05 8:43 GMT-07:00 Sean Busbey <bu...@cloudera.com>:
> >
> > > The labels "introductory" or "intro" seem the most straightforward to
> me.
> > >
> > > Could a non-native English speaker comment on if either makes more
> sense
> > > (or if something else would be better still)?
> > >
> > > -Sean
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 10:35 AM, Andrew Purtell <ap...@apache.org>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Yes we can change that. I volunteer to change it. What should the new
> > > label
> > > > be?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 7:18 AM, Jonathan Hsieh <jo...@cloudera.com>
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > We've just used 'noob', and in other cases marked the issue as
> > > 'trivial'.
> > > > >
> > > > > If we really wanted to remove any perceived stigma away we'd called
> > > them
> > > > > 'starter' or 'intro' issue to remove negative connotation. If
> others
> > > > agree
> > > > > we can chage this.
> > > > >
> > > > > Jon.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 6:43 AM, Sean Busbey <bu...@cloudera.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > I'd like to add to the "Getting Involved" section on jira[1] to
> > add a
> > > > > > pointer to issues that are a good for ramping up on HBase
> > > development.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Preferably, these would be tickets that
> > > > > >
> > > > > > * Have been vetted as desired and non-controversial
> > > > > > * Are low priority so they need not be done under time pressure
> > > > > > * Offer a view of some (small-ish) part of the code base
> > > > > > * Require minimal information about HBase outside of the section
> to
> > > be
> > > > > > fixed
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Before I add file a ticket and put up a patch, what label do we
> use
> > > to
> > > > > mark
> > > > > > these tickets? Looking at jira, I can see some evidence of both
> > > > > "newbie"[2]
> > > > > > and "noob"[3].
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I am used to seeing "newbie" on other projects, so I had started
> > with
> > > > > that
> > > > > > label. However, it looks like "noob" is used more regularly on
> > HBase.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I worry that "noob" might be viewed as pejorative and discourage
> > some
> > > > > > potential contributors.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > [1]: http://hbase.apache.org/book.html#jira
> > > > > > [2]: http://s.apache.org/exr
> > > > > > [3]: http://s.apache.org/XS6
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > Sean
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > // Jonathan Hsieh (shay)
> > > > > // HBase Tech Lead, Software Engineer, Cloudera
> > > > > // jon@cloudera.com // @jmhsieh
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Best regards,
> > > >
> > > > - Andy
> > > >
> > > > Problems worthy of attack prove their worth by hitting back. - Piet
> > Hein
> > > > (via Tom White)
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Sean
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Thanks,
> > Michael Antonov
> >
>
>
>
> --
> // Jonathan Hsieh (shay)
> // HBase Tech Lead, Software Engineer, Cloudera
> // jon@cloudera.com // @jmhsieh
>
Re: what label is used for issues that are good on ramps for new contributors?
Posted by Jonathan Hsieh <jo...@cloudera.com>.
+1 for beginner (+0.5 for all the others).
Jon.
On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 10:55 AM, Mikhail Antonov <ol...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> "Could a non-native English speaker comment on if either makes more sense
> (or if something else would be better still)?"
>
> "beginner" or "for_beginners" would be good IMO.
>
> -Mikhail
>
>
> 2014-08-05 8:43 GMT-07:00 Sean Busbey <bu...@cloudera.com>:
>
> > The labels "introductory" or "intro" seem the most straightforward to me.
> >
> > Could a non-native English speaker comment on if either makes more sense
> > (or if something else would be better still)?
> >
> > -Sean
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 10:35 AM, Andrew Purtell <ap...@apache.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Yes we can change that. I volunteer to change it. What should the new
> > label
> > > be?
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 7:18 AM, Jonathan Hsieh <jo...@cloudera.com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > We've just used 'noob', and in other cases marked the issue as
> > 'trivial'.
> > > >
> > > > If we really wanted to remove any perceived stigma away we'd called
> > them
> > > > 'starter' or 'intro' issue to remove negative connotation. If others
> > > agree
> > > > we can chage this.
> > > >
> > > > Jon.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 6:43 AM, Sean Busbey <bu...@cloudera.com>
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I'd like to add to the "Getting Involved" section on jira[1] to
> add a
> > > > > pointer to issues that are a good for ramping up on HBase
> > development.
> > > > >
> > > > > Preferably, these would be tickets that
> > > > >
> > > > > * Have been vetted as desired and non-controversial
> > > > > * Are low priority so they need not be done under time pressure
> > > > > * Offer a view of some (small-ish) part of the code base
> > > > > * Require minimal information about HBase outside of the section to
> > be
> > > > > fixed
> > > > >
> > > > > Before I add file a ticket and put up a patch, what label do we use
> > to
> > > > mark
> > > > > these tickets? Looking at jira, I can see some evidence of both
> > > > "newbie"[2]
> > > > > and "noob"[3].
> > > > >
> > > > > I am used to seeing "newbie" on other projects, so I had started
> with
> > > > that
> > > > > label. However, it looks like "noob" is used more regularly on
> HBase.
> > > > >
> > > > > I worry that "noob" might be viewed as pejorative and discourage
> some
> > > > > potential contributors.
> > > > >
> > > > > [1]: http://hbase.apache.org/book.html#jira
> > > > > [2]: http://s.apache.org/exr
> > > > > [3]: http://s.apache.org/XS6
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Sean
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > // Jonathan Hsieh (shay)
> > > > // HBase Tech Lead, Software Engineer, Cloudera
> > > > // jon@cloudera.com // @jmhsieh
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Best regards,
> > >
> > > - Andy
> > >
> > > Problems worthy of attack prove their worth by hitting back. - Piet
> Hein
> > > (via Tom White)
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Sean
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Thanks,
> Michael Antonov
>
--
// Jonathan Hsieh (shay)
// HBase Tech Lead, Software Engineer, Cloudera
// jon@cloudera.com // @jmhsieh
Re: what label is used for issues that are good on ramps for new contributors?
Posted by Mikhail Antonov <ol...@gmail.com>.
"Could a non-native English speaker comment on if either makes more sense
(or if something else would be better still)?"
"beginner" or "for_beginners" would be good IMO.
-Mikhail
2014-08-05 8:43 GMT-07:00 Sean Busbey <bu...@cloudera.com>:
> The labels "introductory" or "intro" seem the most straightforward to me.
>
> Could a non-native English speaker comment on if either makes more sense
> (or if something else would be better still)?
>
> -Sean
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 10:35 AM, Andrew Purtell <ap...@apache.org>
> wrote:
>
> > Yes we can change that. I volunteer to change it. What should the new
> label
> > be?
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 7:18 AM, Jonathan Hsieh <jo...@cloudera.com> wrote:
> >
> > > We've just used 'noob', and in other cases marked the issue as
> 'trivial'.
> > >
> > > If we really wanted to remove any perceived stigma away we'd called
> them
> > > 'starter' or 'intro' issue to remove negative connotation. If others
> > agree
> > > we can chage this.
> > >
> > > Jon.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 6:43 AM, Sean Busbey <bu...@cloudera.com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > I'd like to add to the "Getting Involved" section on jira[1] to add a
> > > > pointer to issues that are a good for ramping up on HBase
> development.
> > > >
> > > > Preferably, these would be tickets that
> > > >
> > > > * Have been vetted as desired and non-controversial
> > > > * Are low priority so they need not be done under time pressure
> > > > * Offer a view of some (small-ish) part of the code base
> > > > * Require minimal information about HBase outside of the section to
> be
> > > > fixed
> > > >
> > > > Before I add file a ticket and put up a patch, what label do we use
> to
> > > mark
> > > > these tickets? Looking at jira, I can see some evidence of both
> > > "newbie"[2]
> > > > and "noob"[3].
> > > >
> > > > I am used to seeing "newbie" on other projects, so I had started with
> > > that
> > > > label. However, it looks like "noob" is used more regularly on HBase.
> > > >
> > > > I worry that "noob" might be viewed as pejorative and discourage some
> > > > potential contributors.
> > > >
> > > > [1]: http://hbase.apache.org/book.html#jira
> > > > [2]: http://s.apache.org/exr
> > > > [3]: http://s.apache.org/XS6
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Sean
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > // Jonathan Hsieh (shay)
> > > // HBase Tech Lead, Software Engineer, Cloudera
> > > // jon@cloudera.com // @jmhsieh
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Best regards,
> >
> > - Andy
> >
> > Problems worthy of attack prove their worth by hitting back. - Piet Hein
> > (via Tom White)
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Sean
>
--
Thanks,
Michael Antonov
Re: what label is used for issues that are good on ramps for new contributors?
Posted by Sean Busbey <bu...@cloudera.com>.
The labels "introductory" or "intro" seem the most straightforward to me.
Could a non-native English speaker comment on if either makes more sense
(or if something else would be better still)?
-Sean
On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 10:35 AM, Andrew Purtell <ap...@apache.org> wrote:
> Yes we can change that. I volunteer to change it. What should the new label
> be?
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 7:18 AM, Jonathan Hsieh <jo...@cloudera.com> wrote:
>
> > We've just used 'noob', and in other cases marked the issue as 'trivial'.
> >
> > If we really wanted to remove any perceived stigma away we'd called them
> > 'starter' or 'intro' issue to remove negative connotation. If others
> agree
> > we can chage this.
> >
> > Jon.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 6:43 AM, Sean Busbey <bu...@cloudera.com> wrote:
> >
> > > I'd like to add to the "Getting Involved" section on jira[1] to add a
> > > pointer to issues that are a good for ramping up on HBase development.
> > >
> > > Preferably, these would be tickets that
> > >
> > > * Have been vetted as desired and non-controversial
> > > * Are low priority so they need not be done under time pressure
> > > * Offer a view of some (small-ish) part of the code base
> > > * Require minimal information about HBase outside of the section to be
> > > fixed
> > >
> > > Before I add file a ticket and put up a patch, what label do we use to
> > mark
> > > these tickets? Looking at jira, I can see some evidence of both
> > "newbie"[2]
> > > and "noob"[3].
> > >
> > > I am used to seeing "newbie" on other projects, so I had started with
> > that
> > > label. However, it looks like "noob" is used more regularly on HBase.
> > >
> > > I worry that "noob" might be viewed as pejorative and discourage some
> > > potential contributors.
> > >
> > > [1]: http://hbase.apache.org/book.html#jira
> > > [2]: http://s.apache.org/exr
> > > [3]: http://s.apache.org/XS6
> > >
> > > --
> > > Sean
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > // Jonathan Hsieh (shay)
> > // HBase Tech Lead, Software Engineer, Cloudera
> > // jon@cloudera.com // @jmhsieh
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Best regards,
>
> - Andy
>
> Problems worthy of attack prove their worth by hitting back. - Piet Hein
> (via Tom White)
>
--
Sean
Re: what label is used for issues that are good on ramps for new contributors?
Posted by Andrew Purtell <ap...@apache.org>.
Yes we can change that. I volunteer to change it. What should the new label
be?
On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 7:18 AM, Jonathan Hsieh <jo...@cloudera.com> wrote:
> We've just used 'noob', and in other cases marked the issue as 'trivial'.
>
> If we really wanted to remove any perceived stigma away we'd called them
> 'starter' or 'intro' issue to remove negative connotation. If others agree
> we can chage this.
>
> Jon.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 6:43 AM, Sean Busbey <bu...@cloudera.com> wrote:
>
> > I'd like to add to the "Getting Involved" section on jira[1] to add a
> > pointer to issues that are a good for ramping up on HBase development.
> >
> > Preferably, these would be tickets that
> >
> > * Have been vetted as desired and non-controversial
> > * Are low priority so they need not be done under time pressure
> > * Offer a view of some (small-ish) part of the code base
> > * Require minimal information about HBase outside of the section to be
> > fixed
> >
> > Before I add file a ticket and put up a patch, what label do we use to
> mark
> > these tickets? Looking at jira, I can see some evidence of both
> "newbie"[2]
> > and "noob"[3].
> >
> > I am used to seeing "newbie" on other projects, so I had started with
> that
> > label. However, it looks like "noob" is used more regularly on HBase.
> >
> > I worry that "noob" might be viewed as pejorative and discourage some
> > potential contributors.
> >
> > [1]: http://hbase.apache.org/book.html#jira
> > [2]: http://s.apache.org/exr
> > [3]: http://s.apache.org/XS6
> >
> > --
> > Sean
> >
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> // Jonathan Hsieh (shay)
> // HBase Tech Lead, Software Engineer, Cloudera
> // jon@cloudera.com // @jmhsieh
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- Andy
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Re: what label is used for issues that are good on ramps for new contributors?
Posted by Jonathan Hsieh <jo...@cloudera.com>.
We've just used 'noob', and in other cases marked the issue as 'trivial'.
If we really wanted to remove any perceived stigma away we'd called them
'starter' or 'intro' issue to remove negative connotation. If others agree
we can chage this.
Jon.
On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 6:43 AM, Sean Busbey <bu...@cloudera.com> wrote:
> I'd like to add to the "Getting Involved" section on jira[1] to add a
> pointer to issues that are a good for ramping up on HBase development.
>
> Preferably, these would be tickets that
>
> * Have been vetted as desired and non-controversial
> * Are low priority so they need not be done under time pressure
> * Offer a view of some (small-ish) part of the code base
> * Require minimal information about HBase outside of the section to be
> fixed
>
> Before I add file a ticket and put up a patch, what label do we use to mark
> these tickets? Looking at jira, I can see some evidence of both "newbie"[2]
> and "noob"[3].
>
> I am used to seeing "newbie" on other projects, so I had started with that
> label. However, it looks like "noob" is used more regularly on HBase.
>
> I worry that "noob" might be viewed as pejorative and discourage some
> potential contributors.
>
> [1]: http://hbase.apache.org/book.html#jira
> [2]: http://s.apache.org/exr
> [3]: http://s.apache.org/XS6
>
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> Sean
>
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// Jonathan Hsieh (shay)
// HBase Tech Lead, Software Engineer, Cloudera
// jon@cloudera.com // @jmhsieh