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RE:[OT]Looking for junior Java/Struts developers ENOUGH!
Okay, OT is okay as far as it goes but lets not turn the struts mailing
list into a forum for the great Sydney/Melbourne rivalry. Please.
Anyway, everyone knows that Canberra is best. :-)
Heya Gosper
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05/02/2004 12:53 PM
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Subject: RE:[OT]Looking for junior Java/Struts developers
hi!
thanks for the suggestion. that is pretty much what i had decided to do ie
write something and try and market it.
however i'd beg to differ on the weather.
i dont think cold, grey, wet, clammy, uncertain weather qualifies as good
weather esp compared to the sunny predictable weather down here.
Quoting cnd@rayc.brevsville.com.au:
>
> ajay,
>
> The best way to demonstrate you skills is to look for an idea and write
> something and sell it, you end up as your own boss and you gain the
> experience.
>
> You seem to think the no-experience vs employeers want experience issue
is
> new, but it was the same 15 years or so ago when I started out. You can
> sit around and frett about it or just get on with it yourself.
>
> If you want to work for someone else, that is fine, you just need to
> work hard and you'll do fine, there are so many lazy programmers out in
> the market these days that there is a shortage of dedicated professional
> graduates.
>
> Thirdly, move down to Melbourne, the weather is nicer down here:)
>
> Chris
>
> On Thu, 5 Feb 2004, ajay wrote:
>
> > when: 2004
> > where: sydney
> > citizenship: australian
> >
> > the problem though is that most people here thesedays want some level
of
> > experience before they are willing to hire you, the trend is a lot
towards
> > contract/temp jobs.
> > the problem ofcourse is where to get that elusive experience, and uni
> project
> > experience doesn't count for anything.
> > so you have this cycle where you are looking to get some experience
and
> most
> > companies want only experienced personnel.
> > and when it comes to tax i believe australia has one of the world's
highest
> tax
> > rate, and sydney is way too pricey.
> >
> > but what i would like to know is whats the scenario outside, like int
he
> > states, singapore, UK etc. is there a good demand for qualified but
> > inexperienced IT graduates. would a move abroad be good?
> >
> >
> > Quoting russo@albany.edu:
> >
> > > Jiin-Her hits the nail on the head
> > > I certainly wouldn't want to make 50K while living in Boston or New
> York
> > > City...
> > > Here's the cost of living for Herndon VA
> > >
> http://realestate.yahoo.com/re/neighborhood/search.html?sa=&c=Herndon&s=VA&z=
> > >
> > > Cost of living (taxes, expenses, insurance, etc...) can change from
town
> > > to town even. As the add says you need to move to Herndon VA to live
on
> > > that 50K. ;)
> > >
> > > -R^3
> > >
> > > On Wed, 4 Feb 2004, Jiin-Her Lu wrote:
> > >
> > > > Depends on when, where, and what is your citizenship. It can be up
to
> $
> > > 85000+ in US.
> > > >
> > > > Jiin-Her Lu
> > > > (816) 926-2145
> > > >
> > >
> > >
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Re: [Friday] Java in Aus
Posted by Mark Lowe <ma...@talk21.com>.
Did you put down that you like to play rugby :o)
On 6 Feb 2004, at 11:06, Adam Hardy wrote:
> Since it's Friday, I thought I'd ask you Aussie java guys what the
> deal is on this strange points system Australia has for its working
> visas.
>
> I thought for a few years I'd never meet the target, whenever I
> thought about moving to down under. I'm too old, too British, not
> enough relatives living there etc etc.
>
> But then I found the Australian visa site and answered several pages
> of questions, and then the last one was "Do you have any experience
> with Java Security?" - so I clicked the box and with that, it seems
> I'm eligible for a visa.
>
> I tried it all again, and without that Java Security experience, your
> lovely government wouldn't want me.
>
> What's that all about?
>
>
> Adam
>
>
> On 02/05/2004 03:09 AM hgosper@csc.com.au wrote:
>> Okay, OT is okay as far as it goes but lets not turn the struts
>> mailing list into a forum for the great Sydney/Melbourne rivalry.
>> Please.
>> Anyway, everyone knows that Canberra is best. :-)
>> Heya Gosper
>> CSC Australia
>> 212 Northbourne Ave, Braddon ACT 2612
>> Ph: +61 (0) 2 6246 8155 Fax: +61 (0) 2 62468100
>> MOB: 0401 611779
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
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>> ajay <ab...@mail.usyd.edu.au>
>> 05/02/2004 12:53 PM
>> Please respond to "Struts Users Mailing List"
>> To: Struts Users Mailing List
>> <st...@jakarta.apache.org>
>> cc: Subject: RE:[OT]Looking for junior
>> Java/Struts developers
>> hi!
>> thanks for the suggestion. that is pretty much what i had decided to
>> do ie write something and try and market it.
>> however i'd beg to differ on the weather.
>> i dont think cold, grey, wet, clammy, uncertain weather qualifies as
>> good weather esp compared to the sunny predictable weather down here.
>> Quoting cnd@rayc.brevsville.com.au:
>>> ajay,
>>>
>>> The best way to demonstrate you skills is to look for an idea and
>>> write
>>> something and sell it, you end up as your own boss and you gain the
>>> experience.
>>>
>>> You seem to think the no-experience vs employeers want experience
>>> issue
>> is
>>> new, but it was the same 15 years or so ago when I started out. You
>>> can
>>> sit around and frett about it or just get on with it yourself.
>>>
>>> If you want to work for someone else, that is fine, you just need to
>>> work hard and you'll do fine, there are so many lazy programmers out
>>> in
>>> the market these days that there is a shortage of dedicated
>>> professional
>>> graduates.
>>>
>>> Thirdly, move down to Melbourne, the weather is nicer down here:)
>>>
>>> Chris
>>>
>>> On Thu, 5 Feb 2004, ajay wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> when: 2004
>>>> where: sydney
>>>> citizenship: australian
>>>>
>>>> the problem though is that most people here thesedays want some
>>>> level
>> of
>>>> experience before they are willing to hire you, the trend is a lot
>> towards
>>>> contract/temp jobs.
>>>> the problem ofcourse is where to get that elusive experience, and
>>>> uni
>>>
>>> project
>>>
>>>> experience doesn't count for anything.
>>>> so you have this cycle where you are looking to get some experience
>> and
>>> most
>>>
>>>> companies want only experienced personnel.
>>>> and when it comes to tax i believe australia has one of the world's
>> highest
>>> tax
>>>
>>>> rate, and sydney is way too pricey.
>>>>
>>>> but what i would like to know is whats the scenario outside, like
>>>> int
>> he
>>>> states, singapore, UK etc. is there a good demand for qualified but
>>>> inexperienced IT graduates. would a move abroad be good?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Quoting russo@albany.edu:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Jiin-Her hits the nail on the head
>>>>> I certainly wouldn't want to make 50K while living in Boston or New
>>>
>>> York
>>>
>>>>> City...
>>>>> Here's the cost of living for Herndon VA
>>>>>
>>>
>>> http://realestate.yahoo.com/re/neighborhood/search.html?
>>> sa=&c=Herndon&s=VA&z=
>>>
>>>>> Cost of living (taxes, expenses, insurance, etc...) can change from
>> town
>>>>> to town even. As the add says you need to move to Herndon VA to
>>>>> live
>> on
>>>>> that 50K. ;)
>>>>>
>>>>> -R^3
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, 4 Feb 2004, Jiin-Her Lu wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Depends on when, where, and what is your citizenship. It can be up
>> to
>>> $
>>>
>>>>> 85000+ in US.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Jiin-Her Lu
>>>>>> (816) 926-2145
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> ajay
>>>> ---------------
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>>>>
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Re: [Friday] Java in Aus
Posted by cn...@rayc.brevsville.com.au.
It's pretty simply really.
Working Visa's are granted on he basis of demand for skills, being a
petrol station attendant won't get you a working visa, being a hospitality
worker will.
The jobs market in IT is depressed right, now as just like everyone else,
the IT jobs go to India and China who work for 50c / hour. If you look at the
job ads on the web here in AU (www.seek.com.au) you will see that a large
percentage of them require specilised skills.
Working visa points allocation must follow the demand for skills or what
is the point of it?
Chris
On Fri, 6 Feb 2004, Adam Hardy wrote:
> Since it's Friday, I thought I'd ask you Aussie java guys what the deal
> is on this strange points system Australia has for its working visas.
>
> I thought for a few years I'd never meet the target, whenever I thought
> about moving to down under. I'm too old, too British, not enough
> relatives living there etc etc.
>
> But then I found the Australian visa site and answered several pages of
> questions, and then the last one was "Do you have any experience with
> Java Security?" - so I clicked the box and with that, it seems I'm
> eligible for a visa.
>
> I tried it all again, and without that Java Security experience, your
> lovely government wouldn't want me.
>
> What's that all about?
>
>
> Adam
>
>
> On 02/05/2004 03:09 AM hgosper@csc.com.au wrote:
> > Okay, OT is okay as far as it goes but lets not turn the struts mailing
> > list into a forum for the great Sydney/Melbourne rivalry. Please.
> >
> > Anyway, everyone knows that Canberra is best. :-)
> >
> > Heya Gosper
> > CSC Australia
> > 212 Northbourne Ave, Braddon ACT 2612
> > Ph: +61 (0) 2 6246 8155 Fax: +61 (0) 2 62468100
> > MOB: 0401 611779
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > This is a PRIVATE message. If you are not the intended recipient, please
> > delete without copying and kindly advise us by e-mail of the mistake in
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> > bind CSC to any order or other contract unless pursuant to explicit
> > written agreement or government initiative expressly permitting the use of
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> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ajay <ab...@mail.usyd.edu.au>
> > 05/02/2004 12:53 PM
> > Please respond to "Struts Users Mailing List"
> >
> >
> > To: Struts Users Mailing List <st...@jakarta.apache.org>
> > cc:
> > Subject: RE:[OT]Looking for junior Java/Struts developers
> >
> >
> > hi!
> >
> > thanks for the suggestion. that is pretty much what i had decided to do ie
> >
> > write something and try and market it.
> > however i'd beg to differ on the weather.
> > i dont think cold, grey, wet, clammy, uncertain weather qualifies as good
> > weather esp compared to the sunny predictable weather down here.
> >
> > Quoting cnd@rayc.brevsville.com.au:
> >
> >
> >>ajay,
> >>
> >>The best way to demonstrate you skills is to look for an idea and write
> >>something and sell it, you end up as your own boss and you gain the
> >>experience.
> >>
> >>You seem to think the no-experience vs employeers want experience issue
> >
> > is
> >
> >>new, but it was the same 15 years or so ago when I started out. You can
> >>sit around and frett about it or just get on with it yourself.
> >>
> >>If you want to work for someone else, that is fine, you just need to
> >>work hard and you'll do fine, there are so many lazy programmers out in
> >>the market these days that there is a shortage of dedicated professional
> >>graduates.
> >>
> >>Thirdly, move down to Melbourne, the weather is nicer down here:)
> >>
> >>Chris
> >>
> >>On Thu, 5 Feb 2004, ajay wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>when: 2004
> >>>where: sydney
> >>>citizenship: australian
> >>>
> >>>the problem though is that most people here thesedays want some level
> >
> > of
> >
> >>>experience before they are willing to hire you, the trend is a lot
> >
> > towards
> >
> >>>contract/temp jobs.
> >>>the problem ofcourse is where to get that elusive experience, and uni
> >>
> >>project
> >>
> >>>experience doesn't count for anything.
> >>>so you have this cycle where you are looking to get some experience
> >
> > and
> >
> >>most
> >>
> >>>companies want only experienced personnel.
> >>>and when it comes to tax i believe australia has one of the world's
> >
> > highest
> >
> >>tax
> >>
> >>>rate, and sydney is way too pricey.
> >>>
> >>>but what i would like to know is whats the scenario outside, like int
> >
> > he
> >
> >>>states, singapore, UK etc. is there a good demand for qualified but
> >>>inexperienced IT graduates. would a move abroad be good?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Quoting russo@albany.edu:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Jiin-Her hits the nail on the head
> >>>> I certainly wouldn't want to make 50K while living in Boston or New
> >>
> >>York
> >>
> >>>>City...
> >>>>Here's the cost of living for Herndon VA
> >>>>
> >>
> >>http://realestate.yahoo.com/re/neighborhood/search.html?sa=&c=Herndon&s=VA&z=
> >>
> >>>>Cost of living (taxes, expenses, insurance, etc...) can change from
> >
> > town
> >
> >>>>to town even. As the add says you need to move to Herndon VA to live
> >
> > on
> >
> >>>>that 50K. ;)
> >>>>
> >>>>-R^3
> >>>>
> >>>>On Wed, 4 Feb 2004, Jiin-Her Lu wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>Depends on when, where, and what is your citizenship. It can be up
> >
> > to
> >
> >>$
> >>
> >>>>85000+ in US.
> >>>>
> >>>>>Jiin-Her Lu
> >>>>>(816) 926-2145
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
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> >
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> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>--
> >>>ajay
> >>>---------------
> >>>Who Dares Wins
> >>>
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Re: [Friday] Java in Aus
Posted by Adam Hardy <ah...@cyberspaceroad.com>.
Since it's Friday, I thought I'd ask you Aussie java guys what the deal
is on this strange points system Australia has for its working visas.
I thought for a few years I'd never meet the target, whenever I thought
about moving to down under. I'm too old, too British, not enough
relatives living there etc etc.
But then I found the Australian visa site and answered several pages of
questions, and then the last one was "Do you have any experience with
Java Security?" - so I clicked the box and with that, it seems I'm
eligible for a visa.
I tried it all again, and without that Java Security experience, your
lovely government wouldn't want me.
What's that all about?
Adam
On 02/05/2004 03:09 AM hgosper@csc.com.au wrote:
> Okay, OT is okay as far as it goes but lets not turn the struts mailing
> list into a forum for the great Sydney/Melbourne rivalry. Please.
>
> Anyway, everyone knows that Canberra is best. :-)
>
> Heya Gosper
> CSC Australia
> 212 Northbourne Ave, Braddon ACT 2612
> Ph: +61 (0) 2 6246 8155 Fax: +61 (0) 2 62468100
> MOB: 0401 611779
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> This is a PRIVATE message. If you are not the intended recipient, please
> delete without copying and kindly advise us by e-mail of the mistake in
> delivery. NOTE: Regardless of content, this e-mail shall not operate to
> bind CSC to any order or other contract unless pursuant to explicit
> written agreement or government initiative expressly permitting the use of
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> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
>
>
> ajay <ab...@mail.usyd.edu.au>
> 05/02/2004 12:53 PM
> Please respond to "Struts Users Mailing List"
>
>
> To: Struts Users Mailing List <st...@jakarta.apache.org>
> cc:
> Subject: RE:[OT]Looking for junior Java/Struts developers
>
>
> hi!
>
> thanks for the suggestion. that is pretty much what i had decided to do ie
>
> write something and try and market it.
> however i'd beg to differ on the weather.
> i dont think cold, grey, wet, clammy, uncertain weather qualifies as good
> weather esp compared to the sunny predictable weather down here.
>
> Quoting cnd@rayc.brevsville.com.au:
>
>
>>ajay,
>>
>>The best way to demonstrate you skills is to look for an idea and write
>>something and sell it, you end up as your own boss and you gain the
>>experience.
>>
>>You seem to think the no-experience vs employeers want experience issue
>
> is
>
>>new, but it was the same 15 years or so ago when I started out. You can
>>sit around and frett about it or just get on with it yourself.
>>
>>If you want to work for someone else, that is fine, you just need to
>>work hard and you'll do fine, there are so many lazy programmers out in
>>the market these days that there is a shortage of dedicated professional
>>graduates.
>>
>>Thirdly, move down to Melbourne, the weather is nicer down here:)
>>
>>Chris
>>
>>On Thu, 5 Feb 2004, ajay wrote:
>>
>>
>>>when: 2004
>>>where: sydney
>>>citizenship: australian
>>>
>>>the problem though is that most people here thesedays want some level
>
> of
>
>>>experience before they are willing to hire you, the trend is a lot
>
> towards
>
>>>contract/temp jobs.
>>>the problem ofcourse is where to get that elusive experience, and uni
>>
>>project
>>
>>>experience doesn't count for anything.
>>>so you have this cycle where you are looking to get some experience
>
> and
>
>>most
>>
>>>companies want only experienced personnel.
>>>and when it comes to tax i believe australia has one of the world's
>
> highest
>
>>tax
>>
>>>rate, and sydney is way too pricey.
>>>
>>>but what i would like to know is whats the scenario outside, like int
>
> he
>
>>>states, singapore, UK etc. is there a good demand for qualified but
>>>inexperienced IT graduates. would a move abroad be good?
>>>
>>>
>>>Quoting russo@albany.edu:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Jiin-Her hits the nail on the head
>>>> I certainly wouldn't want to make 50K while living in Boston or New
>>
>>York
>>
>>>>City...
>>>>Here's the cost of living for Herndon VA
>>>>
>>
>>http://realestate.yahoo.com/re/neighborhood/search.html?sa=&c=Herndon&s=VA&z=
>>
>>>>Cost of living (taxes, expenses, insurance, etc...) can change from
>
> town
>
>>>>to town even. As the add says you need to move to Herndon VA to live
>
> on
>
>>>>that 50K. ;)
>>>>
>>>>-R^3
>>>>
>>>>On Wed, 4 Feb 2004, Jiin-Her Lu wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Depends on when, where, and what is your citizenship. It can be up
>
> to
>
>>$
>>
>>>>85000+ in US.
>>>>
>>>>>Jiin-Her Lu
>>>>>(816) 926-2145
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>--
>>>ajay
>>>---------------
>>>Who Dares Wins
>>>
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