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Posted to dev@tomcat.apache.org by "William A. Rowe, Jr." <wr...@rowe-clan.net> on 2005/09/08 17:17:15 UTC
Top Level Project? Time for Top Level Lists?
Folks, as Tomcat is now (IIUC) a TLP, is it time to break apart the
single dumping ground, fondly known as tomcat-dev, into multiple
lists for folks with more targeted issues? E.g.
dev@tomcat - our friend, this list
commits@tomcat - svn/cvs commits
issues@tomcat - bugzilla/jira reports
I bring this up because, for example, I don't monitor the bugzilla noise
as an email stream much, but want to continue to actively monitor cvs
commits, and development chatter. I can see some users@tomcat types who
would be interested in following issues@tomcat, but who have little to
no interest in watching commits@ fly by.
So I, for one, would be most appreciative of splitting the traffic; I
already do split it in my email client, but I think this would be a
help to many participants. [Especially if, for example, you want the
dev@ traffic to go to a higher priority email account, and have the
commits/issues type traffic hit your lower priority account.]
Bill
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Re: Top Level Project? Time for Top Level Lists?
Posted by Mark Thomas <ma...@apache.org>.
William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote:
> Folks, as Tomcat is now (IIUC) a TLP, is it time to break apart the
> single dumping ground, fondly known as tomcat-dev, into multiple
> lists for folks with more targeted issues? E.g.
>
> dev@tomcat - our friend, this list
> commits@tomcat - svn/cvs commits
> issues@tomcat - bugzilla/jira reports
I would prefer to continue with a single dev list. Reasons are:
- Modern e-mail clients allow people to split it any way they like
- Many archives are geared to searching one list at a time
- Multiple lists raise the barrier (only slightly) to getting involved
Mark
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Re: [Vote] (was Re: Top Level Project? Time for Top Level Lists?)
Posted by Tim Funk <fu...@joedog.org>.
William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote:
>
> Bugs
> [ ] forward to dev@tomcat
> [X] forward to bugs@tomcat
>
> Commits
> [ ] forward to dev@tomcat
> [X] forward to commits@tomcat
Its easier (IMO) to filter on incoming address to different folders. It also
may be more helpful to online list tracking tools for users to search through
if they were kept seperate. [And easier to browse the archives]
-Tim
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Re: [Vote] (was Re: Top Level Project? Time for Top Level Lists?)
Posted by Kurt Miller <tr...@apache.org>.
> Bugs
> [ ] forward to dev@tomcat
> [X ] forward to bugs@tomcat
>
> Commits
> [ ] forward to dev@tomcat
> [ X] forward to commits@tomcat
>
> Vote away :)
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Re: [Vote] (was Re: Top Level Project? Time for Top Level Lists?)
Posted by Ian Darwin <ia...@darwinsys.com>.
>> Bugs
>> [X] forward to dev@tomcat
>> [ ] forward to bugs@tomcat
>>
>> Commits
>> [X] forward to dev@tomcat
>> [ ] forward to commits@tomcat
>
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Re: [Vote] (was Re: Top Level Project? Time for Top Level Lists?)
Posted by Remy Maucherat <re...@apache.org>.
William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote:
> Bugs
> [X] forward to dev@tomcat
> [ ] forward to bugs@tomcat
>
> Commits
> [X] forward to dev@tomcat
> [ ] forward to commits@tomcat
Rémy
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Re: [Vote] (was Re: Top Level Project? Time for Top Level Lists?)
Posted by Jeanfrancois Arcand <jf...@apache.org>.
> Bugs
> [ ] forward to dev@tomcat
> [X] forward to bugs@tomcat
>
> Commits
> [X] forward to dev@tomcat
> [ ] forward to commits@tomcat
>
> Vote away :)
>
>
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Re: [Vote] (was Re: Top Level Project? Time for Top Level Lists?)
Posted by Keith Wannamaker <Ke...@Apache.org>.
Per all the reasons Mark mentioned:
Keith
> Bugs
> [X] forward to dev@tomcat
> [ ] forward to bugs@tomcat
>
> Commits
> [X] forward to dev@tomcat
> [ ] forward to commits@tomcat
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Re: [Vote] (was Re: Top Level Project? Time for Top Level Lists?)
Posted by Costin Manolache <cm...@yahoo.com>.
William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote:
> Costin Manolache wrote:
>
>> Remy Maucherat wrote:
>> I doubt that filling the inbox with the bug reports or commit messages
>> will make anyone care more ( or make anyone read them when they don't
>> want to ) :-) It seems most people use filters anyway, and those who
>> don't ( like using gmane or a web-based interface ) just suffer the
>> noise, but still ignore the bugs/commits they don't care about.
>>
>> I would really appreciate splitting them - I try to read tomcat-dev as
>> much as possible, but web-based interfaces ( like gmane's RSS view or
>> the html viewer ) are almost useless due to the noise, and filtering
>> the news is not easy either.
>
>
> Well, my first point was that, as a TLP, the lists should become
> @tomcat.apache.org; whatever they become.
>
> But AFA different lists are concerned, is it worth a vote? I'm going
> to abstain, as I'm not on the PMC (IIRC). But here it is, go ahead and
> cast an opinion...
>
> Bugs
> [ ] forward to dev@tomcat
> [X] forward to bugs@tomcat
>
> Commits
> [ ] forward to dev@tomcat
> [X] forward to commits@tomcat
>
> Vote away :)
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Re: [Vote] (was Re: Top Level Project? Time for Top Level Lists?)
Posted by Mark Thomas <ma...@apache.org>.
> Bugs
> [X] forward to dev@tomcat
> [ ] forward to bugs@tomcat
>
> Commits
> [X] forward to dev@tomcat
> [ ] forward to commits@tomcat
Mark
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Re: [Vote] (was Re: Top Level Project? Time for Top Level Lists?)
Posted by Yoav Shapira <yo...@apache.org>.
Hi,
> Bugs
> [ X ] forward to dev@tomcat
> [ ] forward to bugs@tomcat
>
> Commits
> [ X ] forward to dev@tomcat
> [ ] forward to commits@tomcat
Keep as one list, for reasons voiced by others, and summarized as: it's easy
for users to filter at their end, but hard to get people to subscribe to three
lists. If it ain't broken, don't fix it.
Yoav
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[Vote] (was Re: Top Level Project? Time for Top Level Lists?)
Posted by "William A. Rowe, Jr." <wr...@rowe-clan.net>.
Costin Manolache wrote:
> Remy Maucherat wrote:
> I doubt that filling the inbox with the bug reports or commit messages
> will make anyone care more ( or make anyone read them when they don't
> want to ) :-) It seems most people use filters anyway, and those who
> don't ( like using gmane or a web-based interface ) just suffer the
> noise, but still ignore the bugs/commits they don't care about.
>
> I would really appreciate splitting them - I try to read tomcat-dev as
> much as possible, but web-based interfaces ( like gmane's RSS view or
> the html viewer ) are almost useless due to the noise, and filtering the
> news is not easy either.
Well, my first point was that, as a TLP, the lists should become
@tomcat.apache.org; whatever they become.
But AFA different lists are concerned, is it worth a vote? I'm going
to abstain, as I'm not on the PMC (IIRC). But here it is, go ahead and
cast an opinion...
Bugs
[ ] forward to dev@tomcat
[ ] forward to bugs@tomcat
Commits
[ ] forward to dev@tomcat
[ ] forward to commits@tomcat
Vote away :)
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Re: Top Level Project? Time for Top Level Lists?
Posted by Costin Manolache <cm...@yahoo.com>.
Remy Maucherat wrote:
>> So I, for one, would be most appreciative of splitting the traffic; I
>> already do split it in my email client, but I think this would be a
>> help to many participants. [Especially if, for example, you want the
>> dev@ traffic to go to a higher priority email account, and have the
>> commits/issues type traffic hit your lower priority account.]
>
>
> Of course, but also fewer people will care about bug reports.
I doubt that filling the inbox with the bug reports or commit messages
will make anyone care more ( or make anyone read them when they don't
want to ) :-) It seems most people use filters anyway, and those who
don't ( like using gmane or a web-based interface ) just suffer the
noise, but still ignore the bugs/commits they don't care about.
I would really appreciate splitting them - I try to read tomcat-dev as
much as possible, but web-based interfaces ( like gmane's RSS view or
the html viewer ) are almost useless due to the noise, and filtering the
news is not easy either.
Costin
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Re: Top Level Project? Time for Top Level Lists?
Posted by "William A. Rowe, Jr." <wr...@rowe-clan.net>.
Remy Maucherat wrote:
>
> Of course, but also fewer people will care about bug reports.
Perhaps; perhaps not. In my case, I prefer to use the tool, and take
advantage of the whole bugzilla/jira feature set. Bug emails are noise,
because they scream "me, me!", instead of reflecting on all the long
outstanding, quiet bugs. Just two different perspectives, I guess.
Bill
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Re: Top Level Project? Time for Top Level Lists?
Posted by Remy Maucherat <re...@apache.org>.
William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote:
> Folks, as Tomcat is now (IIUC) a TLP, is it time to break apart the
> single dumping ground, fondly known as tomcat-dev, into multiple
> lists for folks with more targeted issues? E.g.
>
> dev@tomcat - our friend, this list
> commits@tomcat - svn/cvs commits
> issues@tomcat - bugzilla/jira reports
Right now, we have dev, user, and that's it. We need pmc too. I don't
care personally about commits and issues (personally, I don't care, I
have separate mail filters for the commits).
> I don't monitor the bugzilla noise
This takes a whole new meaning for me now.
> as an email stream much, but want to continue to actively monitor cvs
> commits, and development chatter. I can see some users@tomcat types who
> would be interested in following issues@tomcat, but who have little to
> no interest in watching commits@ fly by.
>
> So I, for one, would be most appreciative of splitting the traffic; I
> already do split it in my email client, but I think this would be a
> help to many participants. [Especially if, for example, you want the
> dev@ traffic to go to a higher priority email account, and have the
> commits/issues type traffic hit your lower priority account.]
Of course, but also fewer people will care about bug reports.
Rémy
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