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Posted to derby-dev@db.apache.org by Nirmal Fernando <ni...@gmail.com> on 2010/07/18 06:27:02 UTC
Using JQuery in Apache Derby
Hi All,
I'm planning to use JQuery to make PlanExporter tool
more attractive and easy to read. But I saw there's a
license incompatibility, with Apache & JQuery.
Here's the JQuery license header:
/*!
* jQuery JavaScript Library v1.4.2
* http://jquery.com/
*
* Copyright 2010, John Resig
* Dual licensed under the MIT or GPL Version 2 licenses.
* http://jquery.org/license
*
* Includes Sizzle.js
* http://sizzlejs.com/
* Copyright 2010, The Dojo Foundation
* Released under the MIT, BSD, and GPL Licenses.
*
* Date: Sat Feb 13 22:33:48 2010 -0500
*/
Can someone confirm that there's a license
incompatibility? or Can I use JQuery?
Thanks.
--
Best Regards,
Nirmal
C.S.Nirmal J. Fernando
Department of Computer Science & Engineering,
Faculty of Engineering,
University of Moratuwa,
Sri Lanka.
Re: Using JQuery in Apache Derby
Posted by Nirmal Fernando <ni...@gmail.com>.
Thanks Rick!
On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 6:50 PM, Rick Hillegas <ri...@oracle.com>wrote:
> Hi Nirmal,
>
> It looks to me as though JQuery can be used under the MIT license (
> http://jquery.org/license ), which is allowed in Apache-licensed code (
> http://www.apache.org/legal/resolved.html#category-a ). As I understand
> the MIT license ( http://opensource.org/licenses/mit-license.php ), using
> JQuery would require the Derby NOTICE file to state that the following
> disclaimer covers the JQuery code in the PlanExporter tool:
>
> "Copyright (c) 2010 John Resig, http://jquery.com/
>
> Permission is hereby granted, free of charge, to any person obtaining
> a copy of this software and associated documentation files (the
> "Software"), to deal in the Software without restriction, including
> without limitation the rights to use, copy, modify, merge, publish,
> distribute, sublicense, and/or sell copies of the Software, and to
> permit persons to whom the Software is furnished to do so, subject to
> the following conditions:
>
> The above copyright notice and this permission notice shall be
> included in all copies or substantial portions of the Software.
>
> THE SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED "AS IS", WITHOUT WARRANTY OF ANY KIND,
> EXPRESS OR IMPLIED, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO THE WARRANTIES OF
> MERCHANTABILITY, FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE AND
> NONINFRINGEMENT. IN NO EVENT SHALL THE AUTHORS OR COPYRIGHT HOLDERS BE
> LIABLE FOR ANY CLAIM, DAMAGES OR OTHER LIABILITY, WHETHER IN AN ACTION
> OF CONTRACT, TORT OR OTHERWISE, ARISING FROM, OUT OF OR IN CONNECTION
> WITH THE SOFTWARE OR THE USE OR OTHER DEALINGS IN THE SOFTWARE."
>
> Hope this helps,
> -Rick
>
>
> Nirmal Fernando wrote:
>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I'm planning to use JQuery to make PlanExporter tool
>> more attractive and easy to read. But I saw there's a license
>> incompatibility, with Apache & JQuery.
>>
>> Here's the JQuery license header:
>>
>> /*!
>> * jQuery JavaScript Library v1.4.2
>> * http://jquery.com/
>> *
>> * Copyright 2010, John Resig
>> * Dual licensed under the MIT or GPL Version 2 licenses.
>> * http://jquery.org/license
>> *
>> * Includes Sizzle.js
>> * http://sizzlejs.com/
>> * Copyright 2010, The Dojo Foundation
>> * Released under the MIT, BSD, and GPL Licenses.
>> *
>> * Date: Sat Feb 13 22:33:48 2010 -0500
>> */
>>
>> Can someone confirm that there's a license
>> incompatibility? or Can I use JQuery?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> --
>> Best Regards,
>> Nirmal
>>
>> C.S.Nirmal J. Fernando
>> Department of Computer Science & Engineering,
>> Faculty of Engineering,
>> University of Moratuwa,
>> Sri Lanka.
>>
>
>
--
Best Regards,
Nirmal
C.S.Nirmal J. Fernando
Department of Computer Science & Engineering,
Faculty of Engineering,
University of Moratuwa,
Sri Lanka.
Re: Using JQuery in Apache Derby
Posted by Rick Hillegas <ri...@oracle.com>.
Hi Nirmal,
It looks to me as though JQuery can be used under the MIT license (
http://jquery.org/license ), which is allowed in Apache-licensed code (
http://www.apache.org/legal/resolved.html#category-a ). As I understand
the MIT license ( http://opensource.org/licenses/mit-license.php ),
using JQuery would require the Derby NOTICE file to state that the
following disclaimer covers the JQuery code in the PlanExporter tool:
"Copyright (c) 2010 John Resig, http://jquery.com/
Permission is hereby granted, free of charge, to any person obtaining
a copy of this software and associated documentation files (the
"Software"), to deal in the Software without restriction, including
without limitation the rights to use, copy, modify, merge, publish,
distribute, sublicense, and/or sell copies of the Software, and to
permit persons to whom the Software is furnished to do so, subject to
the following conditions:
The above copyright notice and this permission notice shall be
included in all copies or substantial portions of the Software.
THE SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED "AS IS", WITHOUT WARRANTY OF ANY KIND,
EXPRESS OR IMPLIED, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO THE WARRANTIES OF
MERCHANTABILITY, FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE AND
NONINFRINGEMENT. IN NO EVENT SHALL THE AUTHORS OR COPYRIGHT HOLDERS BE
LIABLE FOR ANY CLAIM, DAMAGES OR OTHER LIABILITY, WHETHER IN AN ACTION
OF CONTRACT, TORT OR OTHERWISE, ARISING FROM, OUT OF OR IN CONNECTION
WITH THE SOFTWARE OR THE USE OR OTHER DEALINGS IN THE SOFTWARE."
Hope this helps,
-Rick
Nirmal Fernando wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I'm planning to use JQuery to make PlanExporter tool
> more attractive and easy to read. But I saw there's a
> license incompatibility, with Apache & JQuery.
>
> Here's the JQuery license header:
>
> /*!
> * jQuery JavaScript Library v1.4.2
> * http://jquery.com/
> *
> * Copyright 2010, John Resig
> * Dual licensed under the MIT or GPL Version 2 licenses.
> * http://jquery.org/license
> *
> * Includes Sizzle.js
> * http://sizzlejs.com/
> * Copyright 2010, The Dojo Foundation
> * Released under the MIT, BSD, and GPL Licenses.
> *
> * Date: Sat Feb 13 22:33:48 2010 -0500
> */
>
> Can someone confirm that there's a license
> incompatibility? or Can I use JQuery?
>
> Thanks.
>
> --
> Best Regards,
> Nirmal
>
> C.S.Nirmal J. Fernando
> Department of Computer Science & Engineering,
> Faculty of Engineering,
> University of Moratuwa,
> Sri Lanka.
Re: Using JQuery in Apache Derby
Posted by Mike Matrigali <mi...@sbcglobal.net>.
I'd rather not see the derby project pick up "ownership" of
the source of these jar's. Once we provide source then the only
way to get fixes is to do them ourselves. It seems better to be able to
just use the jar's provided by the actual owners so that it
is straight forward to get future fixes.
Is xalan the only option for the functionality it provides or
are there other options that people might want to use, and if so
would hard packaging it in derby actually remove functionality.
If the need is to actually change these jars to provide different
interfaces, that would be different but I don't think that is
the point here.
On ubuntu it seems like you could set up a dependency from the
derby database on the jars needed. I don't know the mechanism
but I know some packages when I click on them, it then automatically
add packages that are also required.
If we need to set up something optional in development build to
make it easier for developers that is different.
/mikem
Kathey Marsden wrote:
> On 7/20/2010 6:27 AM, Nirmal Fernando wrote:
>> Hi Rick,
>>
>> That's great !
>>
>> Just an idea, same way can't we build Xalan from source as well,
>> that will avoid those problematic scenarios with JDK versions and
>> xalan versions.
>>
> Hi Nirmal,
>
> Can you hold off on both of these for a bit. I think I need to 1)
> Understand the downstream impact of introducing the MIT license and 2)
> With repackaging code there are always issues of which version we use
> and whether other applications running in the same jvm are going to pick
> up the Derby repackaged version or the one that the other application
> really wants.
>
> On 1, I will try to do some research today and post end of day with my
> findings. For 2, the only solution I can think of would be to rename the
> packages, but I don't know if that imposes even more license complexity.
>
> I am sorry to throw a wrench into your project when I know you are under
> time constraints, but really need to understand this better.
>
> Thanks
>
> Kathey
>
>
>
>
Re: Using JQuery in Apache Derby
Posted by Nirmal Fernando <ni...@gmail.com>.
Hi Kathey,
> Can you hold off on both of these for a bit. I think I need to 1) Understand
> the downstream impact of introducing the MIT license and 2) With
> repackaging code there are always issues of which version we use and whether
> other applications running in the same jvm are going to pick up the Derby
> repackaged version or the one that the other application really wants.
>
> On 1, I will try to do some research today and post end of day with my
> findings. For 2, the only solution I can think of would be to rename the
> packages, but I don't know if that imposes even more license complexity.
>
Yeah, sure, I'll hold-off till we clarify all these possible matters.
> I am sorry to throw a wrench into your project when I know you are under
> time constraints, but really need to understand this better.
It's perfectly ok Kathey, I also believe that we should get this
clear.
Thanks.
--
Best Regards,
Nirmal
C.S.Nirmal J. Fernando
Department of Computer Science & Engineering,
Faculty of Engineering,
University of Moratuwa,
Sri Lanka.
Re: Using JQuery in Apache Derby
Posted by Kathey Marsden <km...@sbcglobal.net>.
On 7/20/2010 6:27 AM, Nirmal Fernando wrote:
> Hi Rick,
>
> That's great !
>
> Just an idea, same way can't we build Xalan from source as well,
> that will avoid those problematic scenarios with JDK versions and
> xalan versions.
>
Hi Nirmal,
Can you hold off on both of these for a bit. I think I need to 1)
Understand the downstream impact of introducing the MIT license and 2)
With repackaging code there are always issues of which version we use
and whether other applications running in the same jvm are going to pick
up the Derby repackaged version or the one that the other application
really wants.
On 1, I will try to do some research today and post end of day with my
findings. For 2, the only solution I can think of would be to rename the
packages, but I don't know if that imposes even more license complexity.
I am sorry to throw a wrench into your project when I know you are under
time constraints, but really need to understand this better.
Thanks
Kathey
Re: Using JQuery in Apache Derby
Posted by Rick Hillegas <ri...@oracle.com>.
Nirmal Fernando wrote:
> Hi Rick,
>
> That's great !
>
> Just an idea, same way can't we build Xalan from source as well,
> that will avoid those problematic scenarios with JDK versions and
> xalan versions.
>
Hi Nirmal,
I don't think that we have a build problem with xalan right now.
However, there's clearly a deployment problem, which probably merits
more discussion.
Thanks,
-Rick
> Thanks.
>
> On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 6:14 PM, Rick Hillegas <ri...@oracle.com> wrote:
>
>> If we are going to ship JQuery with the tools jar, then I would prefer that
>> it be possible for the Derby build to build JQuery from source. We have put
>> a lot of effort into making it possible to build everything from source so
>> that Derby can be bundled with Ubuntu.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> -Rick
>>
>> Nirmal Fernando wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Kathey,
>>>
>>> I think it's probably repackaging JQuery with Derby, latter one was
>>> bit tedious for a user
>>> I guess.
>>>
>>> Any other ideas?
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 2:50 AM, Kathey Marsden
>>> <km...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 7/17/2010 9:27 PM, Nirmal Fernando wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm planning to use JQuery to make PlanExporter tool
>>>>> more attractive and easy to read. But I saw there's a
>>>>> license incompatibility, with Apache & JQuery.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Nirmal, could you explain what type of integration we are talking about?
>>>> Would we be repackaging JQuery in some way or would people just need to
>>>> download JQuery in order to use the nicer interface for the tool? If it
>>>> is
>>>> the latter, would we need to change our NOTICE file?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>>
>>>> Kathey
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Here's the JQuery license header:
>>>>>
>>>>> /*!
>>>>> * jQuery JavaScript Library v1.4.2
>>>>> * http://jquery.com/
>>>>> *
>>>>> * Copyright 2010, John Resig
>>>>> * Dual licensed under the MIT or GPL Version 2 licenses.
>>>>> * http://jquery.org/license
>>>>> *
>>>>> * Includes Sizzle.js
>>>>> * http://sizzlejs.com/
>>>>> * Copyright 2010, The Dojo Foundation
>>>>> * Released under the MIT, BSD, and GPL Licenses.
>>>>> *
>>>>> * Date: Sat Feb 13 22:33:48 2010 -0500
>>>>> */
>>>>>
>>>>> Can someone confirm that there's a license
>>>>> incompatibility? or Can I use JQuery?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Best Regards,
>>>>> Nirmal
>>>>>
>>>>> C.S.Nirmal J. Fernando
>>>>> Department of Computer Science & Engineering,
>>>>> Faculty of Engineering,
>>>>> University of Moratuwa,
>>>>> Sri Lanka.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
>
>
Re: Using JQuery in Apache Derby
Posted by Nirmal Fernando <ni...@gmail.com>.
Hi Rick,
That's great !
Just an idea, same way can't we build Xalan from source as well,
that will avoid those problematic scenarios with JDK versions and
xalan versions.
Thanks.
On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 6:14 PM, Rick Hillegas <ri...@oracle.com> wrote:
> If we are going to ship JQuery with the tools jar, then I would prefer that
> it be possible for the Derby build to build JQuery from source. We have put
> a lot of effort into making it possible to build everything from source so
> that Derby can be bundled with Ubuntu.
>
> Thanks,
> -Rick
>
> Nirmal Fernando wrote:
>>
>> Hi Kathey,
>>
>> I think it's probably repackaging JQuery with Derby, latter one was
>> bit tedious for a user
>> I guess.
>>
>> Any other ideas?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 2:50 AM, Kathey Marsden
>> <km...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> On 7/17/2010 9:27 PM, Nirmal Fernando wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi All,
>>>>
>>>> I'm planning to use JQuery to make PlanExporter tool
>>>> more attractive and easy to read. But I saw there's a
>>>> license incompatibility, with Apache & JQuery.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Nirmal, could you explain what type of integration we are talking about?
>>> Would we be repackaging JQuery in some way or would people just need to
>>> download JQuery in order to use the nicer interface for the tool? If it
>>> is
>>> the latter, would we need to change our NOTICE file?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Kathey
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Here's the JQuery license header:
>>>>
>>>> /*!
>>>> * jQuery JavaScript Library v1.4.2
>>>> * http://jquery.com/
>>>> *
>>>> * Copyright 2010, John Resig
>>>> * Dual licensed under the MIT or GPL Version 2 licenses.
>>>> * http://jquery.org/license
>>>> *
>>>> * Includes Sizzle.js
>>>> * http://sizzlejs.com/
>>>> * Copyright 2010, The Dojo Foundation
>>>> * Released under the MIT, BSD, and GPL Licenses.
>>>> *
>>>> * Date: Sat Feb 13 22:33:48 2010 -0500
>>>> */
>>>>
>>>> Can someone confirm that there's a license
>>>> incompatibility? or Can I use JQuery?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Best Regards,
>>>> Nirmal
>>>>
>>>> C.S.Nirmal J. Fernando
>>>> Department of Computer Science & Engineering,
>>>> Faculty of Engineering,
>>>> University of Moratuwa,
>>>> Sri Lanka.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
--
Best Regards,
Nirmal
C.S.Nirmal J. Fernando
Department of Computer Science & Engineering,
Faculty of Engineering,
University of Moratuwa,
Sri Lanka.
Re: Using JQuery in Apache Derby
Posted by Rick Hillegas <ri...@oracle.com>.
If we are going to ship JQuery with the tools jar, then I would prefer
that it be possible for the Derby build to build JQuery from source. We
have put a lot of effort into making it possible to build everything
from source so that Derby can be bundled with Ubuntu.
Thanks,
-Rick
Nirmal Fernando wrote:
> Hi Kathey,
>
> I think it's probably repackaging JQuery with Derby, latter one was
> bit tedious for a user
> I guess.
>
> Any other ideas?
>
> Thanks.
>
> On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 2:50 AM, Kathey Marsden
> <km...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>> On 7/17/2010 9:27 PM, Nirmal Fernando wrote:
>>
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> I'm planning to use JQuery to make PlanExporter tool
>>> more attractive and easy to read. But I saw there's a
>>> license incompatibility, with Apache & JQuery.
>>>
>>>
>> Nirmal, could you explain what type of integration we are talking about?
>> Would we be repackaging JQuery in some way or would people just need to
>> download JQuery in order to use the nicer interface for the tool? If it is
>> the latter, would we need to change our NOTICE file?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Kathey
>>
>>
>>
>>> Here's the JQuery license header:
>>>
>>> /*!
>>> * jQuery JavaScript Library v1.4.2
>>> * http://jquery.com/
>>> *
>>> * Copyright 2010, John Resig
>>> * Dual licensed under the MIT or GPL Version 2 licenses.
>>> * http://jquery.org/license
>>> *
>>> * Includes Sizzle.js
>>> * http://sizzlejs.com/
>>> * Copyright 2010, The Dojo Foundation
>>> * Released under the MIT, BSD, and GPL Licenses.
>>> *
>>> * Date: Sat Feb 13 22:33:48 2010 -0500
>>> */
>>>
>>> Can someone confirm that there's a license
>>> incompatibility? or Can I use JQuery?
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Best Regards,
>>> Nirmal
>>>
>>> C.S.Nirmal J. Fernando
>>> Department of Computer Science & Engineering,
>>> Faculty of Engineering,
>>> University of Moratuwa,
>>> Sri Lanka.
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
Re: Using JQuery in Apache Derby
Posted by Nirmal Fernando <ni...@gmail.com>.
Hi Kathey,
I think it's probably repackaging JQuery with Derby, latter one was
bit tedious for a user
I guess.
Any other ideas?
Thanks.
On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 2:50 AM, Kathey Marsden
<km...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> On 7/17/2010 9:27 PM, Nirmal Fernando wrote:
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I'm planning to use JQuery to make PlanExporter tool
>> more attractive and easy to read. But I saw there's a
>> license incompatibility, with Apache & JQuery.
>>
> Nirmal, could you explain what type of integration we are talking about?
> Would we be repackaging JQuery in some way or would people just need to
> download JQuery in order to use the nicer interface for the tool? If it is
> the latter, would we need to change our NOTICE file?
>
> Thanks
>
> Kathey
>
>
>> Here's the JQuery license header:
>>
>> /*!
>> * jQuery JavaScript Library v1.4.2
>> * http://jquery.com/
>> *
>> * Copyright 2010, John Resig
>> * Dual licensed under the MIT or GPL Version 2 licenses.
>> * http://jquery.org/license
>> *
>> * Includes Sizzle.js
>> * http://sizzlejs.com/
>> * Copyright 2010, The Dojo Foundation
>> * Released under the MIT, BSD, and GPL Licenses.
>> *
>> * Date: Sat Feb 13 22:33:48 2010 -0500
>> */
>>
>> Can someone confirm that there's a license
>> incompatibility? or Can I use JQuery?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> --
>> Best Regards,
>> Nirmal
>>
>> C.S.Nirmal J. Fernando
>> Department of Computer Science & Engineering,
>> Faculty of Engineering,
>> University of Moratuwa,
>> Sri Lanka.
>
>
>
--
Best Regards,
Nirmal
C.S.Nirmal J. Fernando
Department of Computer Science & Engineering,
Faculty of Engineering,
University of Moratuwa,
Sri Lanka.
Re: Using JQuery in Apache Derby
Posted by Kathey Marsden <km...@sbcglobal.net>.
On 7/17/2010 9:27 PM, Nirmal Fernando wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I'm planning to use JQuery to make PlanExporter tool
> more attractive and easy to read. But I saw there's a
> license incompatibility, with Apache & JQuery.
>
Nirmal, could you explain what type of integration we are talking about?
Would we be repackaging JQuery in some way or would people just need to
download JQuery in order to use the nicer interface for the tool? If it
is the latter, would we need to change our NOTICE file?
Thanks
Kathey
> Here's the JQuery license header:
>
> /*!
> * jQuery JavaScript Library v1.4.2
> * http://jquery.com/
> *
> * Copyright 2010, John Resig
> * Dual licensed under the MIT or GPL Version 2 licenses.
> * http://jquery.org/license
> *
> * Includes Sizzle.js
> * http://sizzlejs.com/
> * Copyright 2010, The Dojo Foundation
> * Released under the MIT, BSD, and GPL Licenses.
> *
> * Date: Sat Feb 13 22:33:48 2010 -0500
> */
>
> Can someone confirm that there's a license
> incompatibility? or Can I use JQuery?
>
> Thanks.
>
> --
> Best Regards,
> Nirmal
>
> C.S.Nirmal J. Fernando
> Department of Computer Science & Engineering,
> Faculty of Engineering,
> University of Moratuwa,
> Sri Lanka.