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Posted to dev@turbine.apache.org by Stephen McConnell <mc...@apache.org> on 2003/10/20 10:05:26 UTC
Re: [RT] My Merlin Wish List
[reposting with correct turbine-dev address]
J Aaron Farr wrote:
>>>Embeddable Merlin containers
>>> servlets
>>>
>>>
>>you mean tomcat/jerry running as a merlin service OR merlin running as a
>>tomcat/jetty war? ;)
>>
>>
>
>Both of course! :)
>
>Actually, there's a couple things that would be cool here:
> - Tomcat/Jetty running as merlin service
> - An Avalon light weight servlet container (which adds avalon
>lifecycle support to servlets)
> - Easy way to access Avalon services from within service, action, etc.
>(this can be done via AltRMI or JNDI, but we need to put together docs
>and examples)
>
>I'm not very familiar with Turbine, but it would be nice to see Turbine
>services running in Fortress and Merlin without too much trouble.
>
Hi Aaron:
Confession - I'm not familiar with Turbine either.
I have played around with Turbine Fulcrum a bit - did some treaking of the
crypto package and things are working fine (using crypto component). I've
got a local copy running against Merlin 3.2 using the new test case as
part of own my own test-and-validation-release-suite.
I'm interested in the Avalon/Turbine connection because I would like to
play with the potential of Turbine as a smart web-service system that we
plugin on the container facilites side of merlin. I'm also a interested
in potential applications of Turbine on the server side (just a hunch).
Cheers, Steve.
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RE: Merlin Cryto implementation in /proposals
Posted by Eric Pugh <ep...@upstate.com>.
Yes, I think so.. Most of it was centered around repackaging existing
turbine code and adding a unit test or two anyway. I don't expect any major
changes in any of the components, rather just incremental improvements.
Eric
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stephen McConnell [mailto:mcconnell@apache.org]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 7:39 PM
> To: Turbine Developers List
> Subject: Re: Merlin Cryto implementation in /proposals
>
>
>
> Eric Pugh wrote:
>
> > I have
> > committed your crypto implementation to run under merlin under the
> > fulcrum
> > /proposals directory.
> >
> > If you have other improvements, can you send them to me so
> that Peter is
> > using the latest and greatest to test his
> MerlinComponentService against?
>
>
> Eric:
>
> How stable is the overall main Fulcrum content? What I'm
> thinking about
> is if we start doing a api/impl seperation together with auto-meta
> generation, it will be a PITA if the core content is
> changing. Based on
> your emails it seems that you have completed most of the updates - is
> that correct?
>
> Steve.
>
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>
>
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Re: Merlin Cryto implementation in /proposals
Posted by Stephen McConnell <mc...@apache.org>.
Eric Pugh wrote:
> I have
> committed your crypto implementation to run under merlin under the
> fulcrum
> /proposals directory.
>
> If you have other improvements, can you send them to me so that Peter is
> using the latest and greatest to test his MerlinComponentService against?
Eric:
How stable is the overall main Fulcrum content? What I'm thinking about
is if we start doing a api/impl seperation together with auto-meta
generation, it will be a PITA if the core content is changing. Based on
your emails it seems that you have completed most of the updates - is
that correct?
Steve.
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Re: Merlin Cryto implementation in /proposals
Posted by Stephen McConnell <mc...@apache.org>.
Eric Pugh wrote:
>Stephen,
>Not sure if you are on Turbine -dev, so I wanted to cc you directly.
>
I'm subscribed.
>I have
>committed your crypto implementation to run under merlin under the fulcrum
>/proposals directory.
>
>If you have other improvements, can you send them to me so that Peter is
>using the latest and greatest to test his MerlinComponentService against?
>
Sure - no problem.
Stephen.
>
>ERic
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Merlin Cryto implementation in /proposals
Posted by Eric Pugh <ep...@upstate.com>.
Stephen,
Not sure if you are on Turbine -dev, so I wanted to cc you directly. I have
committed your crypto implementation to run under merlin under the fulcrum
/proposals directory.
If you have other improvements, can you send them to me so that Peter is
using the latest and greatest to test his MerlinComponentService against?
ERic
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Re: [RT] My Merlin Wish List
Posted by Stephen McConnell <mc...@apache.org>.
Eric Pugh wrote:
>Hi all,
>
>I started looking at what Stephen did with the crypto service, and it is
>very interesting. The Turbine dev team knows we need to come up with
>something better then ECM, however we just haven't gotton around to writing
>either a good FortressComponentService or MerlinComponentService. However,
>if someone has something that they could contribute, that would go a long
>way towards getting the ball moving on getting the various services in the
>Fulcrum project moved towards Merlin.
>
There are some recent additions to Merlin related to the
AbstractMerlinTestCase (which itself was written to handle Turbine test
requirements). These additions include a new class called MerlinLoader
that simplifies the overhead of embedded containment. There are also a
bunch of discussions going on over in Avalon land about the embedding
subject with input from the Eve project (ldapd incubator inative),
OpenIM, and others - taking into account requirements from the OpenORB
project, JBoss, etc.
I've been going over the Fulcrum code base and based on everything I've
seen so far it looks like everything could be supported in Merlin under
the current formal release (3.0). The testcase and plugins related to
Avalon meta-info generation are all in place and working nicely relative
to 3.2 dev (which is runtime compatible with 3.0). I expect to see some
interesting development on the embedded services and the abstract test
case code over the comming days.
>
>Before Turbine 2.4 release, which is focusing on integrating all the
>services moved to Fulcrum, we need to basically pick our container to run
>with.. We don't want to go with Fortresss/ECM, and then in 2.5 start
>swapping to Merlin which could require config changes, so it is definitly on
>the list to get the MerlinComponentService written.
>
What is the projected release date for 2.4?
My guess is that it would not take much time to bring Fulcrum up-to-date
with respect to the Avalon Meta package and provide fine-grain component
test integration (along the lines of the crypto package example). I can
continue to transform a few more of the Fulcrum packages along the lines
of the crypto transformation if that is of interest.
Stephen.
>
>Eric Pugh
>
>
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Stephen McConnell [mailto:mcconnell@apache.org]
>>Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 10:05 AM
>>To: Avalon Developers List
>>Cc: turbine-dev@jakarta.apache.org
>>Subject: Re: [RT] My Merlin Wish List
>>
>>
>>
>>[reposting with correct turbine-dev address]
>>
>>
>>J Aaron Farr wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>>>Embeddable Merlin containers
>>>>> servlets
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>you mean tomcat/jerry running as a merlin service OR merlin
>>>>
>>>>
>>running as a
>>
>>
>>>>tomcat/jetty war? ;)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>Both of course! :)
>>>
>>>Actually, there's a couple things that would be cool here:
>>> - Tomcat/Jetty running as merlin service
>>> - An Avalon light weight servlet container (which adds avalon
>>>lifecycle support to servlets)
>>> - Easy way to access Avalon services from within service,
>>>
>>>
>>action, etc.
>>
>>
>>>(this can be done via AltRMI or JNDI, but we need to put
>>>
>>>
>>together docs
>>
>>
>>>and examples)
>>>
>>>I'm not very familiar with Turbine, but it would be nice to
>>>
>>>
>>see Turbine
>>
>>
>>>services running in Fortress and Merlin without too much trouble.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>Hi Aaron:
>>
>>Confession - I'm not familiar with Turbine either.
>>
>>I have played around with Turbine Fulcrum a bit - did some
>>treaking of the
>>crypto package and things are working fine (using crypto
>>component). I've
>>got a local copy running against Merlin 3.2 using the new test case as
>>part of own my own test-and-validation-release-suite.
>>
>>I'm interested in the Avalon/Turbine connection because I
>>would like to
>>play with the potential of Turbine as a smart web-service
>>system that we
>>plugin on the container facilites side of merlin. I'm also a
>>interested
>>in potential applications of Turbine on the server side (just
>>a hunch).
>>
>>Cheers, Steve.
>>
>>--
>>
>>Stephen J. McConnell
>>mailto:mcconnell@apache.org
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [RT] My Merlin Wish List
Posted by Stephen McConnell <mc...@apache.org>.
Eric Pugh wrote:
>Hi all,
>
>I started looking at what Stephen did with the crypto service, and it is
>very interesting. The Turbine dev team knows we need to come up with
>something better then ECM, however we just haven't gotton around to writing
>either a good FortressComponentService or MerlinComponentService. However,
>if someone has something that they could contribute, that would go a long
>way towards getting the ball moving on getting the various services in the
>Fulcrum project moved towards Merlin.
>
There are some recent additions to Merlin related to the
AbstractMerlinTestCase (which itself was written to handle Turbine test
requirements). These additions include a new class called MerlinLoader
that simplifies the overhead of embedded containment. There are also a
bunch of discussions going on over in Avalon land about the embedding
subject with input from the Eve project (ldapd incubator inative),
OpenIM, and others - taking into account requirements from the OpenORB
project, JBoss, etc.
I've been going over the Fulcrum code base and based on everything I've
seen so far it looks like everything could be supported in Merlin under
the current formal release (3.0). The testcase and plugins related to
Avalon meta-info generation are all in place and working nicely relative
to 3.2 dev (which is runtime compatible with 3.0). I expect to see some
interesting development on the embedded services and the abstract test
case code over the comming days.
>
>Before Turbine 2.4 release, which is focusing on integrating all the
>services moved to Fulcrum, we need to basically pick our container to run
>with.. We don't want to go with Fortresss/ECM, and then in 2.5 start
>swapping to Merlin which could require config changes, so it is definitly on
>the list to get the MerlinComponentService written.
>
What is the projected release date for 2.4?
My guess is that it would not take much time to bring Fulcrum up-to-date
with respect to the Avalon Meta package and provide fine-grain component
test integration (along the lines of the crypto package example). I can
continue to transform a few more of the Fulcrum packages along the lines
of the crypto transformation if that is of interest.
Stephen.
>
>Eric Pugh
>
>
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Stephen McConnell [mailto:mcconnell@apache.org]
>>Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 10:05 AM
>>To: Avalon Developers List
>>Cc: turbine-dev@jakarta.apache.org
>>Subject: Re: [RT] My Merlin Wish List
>>
>>
>>
>>[reposting with correct turbine-dev address]
>>
>>
>>J Aaron Farr wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>>>Embeddable Merlin containers
>>>>> servlets
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>you mean tomcat/jerry running as a merlin service OR merlin
>>>>
>>>>
>>running as a
>>
>>
>>>>tomcat/jetty war? ;)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>Both of course! :)
>>>
>>>Actually, there's a couple things that would be cool here:
>>> - Tomcat/Jetty running as merlin service
>>> - An Avalon light weight servlet container (which adds avalon
>>>lifecycle support to servlets)
>>> - Easy way to access Avalon services from within service,
>>>
>>>
>>action, etc.
>>
>>
>>>(this can be done via AltRMI or JNDI, but we need to put
>>>
>>>
>>together docs
>>
>>
>>>and examples)
>>>
>>>I'm not very familiar with Turbine, but it would be nice to
>>>
>>>
>>see Turbine
>>
>>
>>>services running in Fortress and Merlin without too much trouble.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>Hi Aaron:
>>
>>Confession - I'm not familiar with Turbine either.
>>
>>I have played around with Turbine Fulcrum a bit - did some
>>treaking of the
>>crypto package and things are working fine (using crypto
>>component). I've
>>got a local copy running against Merlin 3.2 using the new test case as
>>part of own my own test-and-validation-release-suite.
>>
>>I'm interested in the Avalon/Turbine connection because I
>>would like to
>>play with the potential of Turbine as a smart web-service
>>system that we
>>plugin on the container facilites side of merlin. I'm also a
>>interested
>>in potential applications of Turbine on the server side (just
>>a hunch).
>>
>>Cheers, Steve.
>>
>>--
>>
>>Stephen J. McConnell
>>mailto:mcconnell@apache.org
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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RE: [RT] My Merlin Wish List
Posted by Eric Pugh <ep...@upstate.com>.
Hi all,
I started looking at what Stephen did with the crypto service, and it is
very interesting. The Turbine dev team knows we need to come up with
something better then ECM, however we just haven't gotton around to writing
either a good FortressComponentService or MerlinComponentService. However,
if someone has something that they could contribute, that would go a long
way towards getting the ball moving on getting the various services in the
Fulcrum project moved towards Merlin.
Before Turbine 2.4 release, which is focusing on integrating all the
services moved to Fulcrum, we need to basically pick our container to run
with.. We don't want to go with Fortresss/ECM, and then in 2.5 start
swapping to Merlin which could require config changes, so it is definitly on
the list to get the MerlinComponentService written.
Eric Pugh
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stephen McConnell [mailto:mcconnell@apache.org]
> Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 10:05 AM
> To: Avalon Developers List
> Cc: turbine-dev@jakarta.apache.org
> Subject: Re: [RT] My Merlin Wish List
>
>
>
> [reposting with correct turbine-dev address]
>
>
> J Aaron Farr wrote:
>
> >>>Embeddable Merlin containers
> >>> servlets
> >>>
> >>>
> >>you mean tomcat/jerry running as a merlin service OR merlin
> running as a
> >>tomcat/jetty war? ;)
> >>
> >>
> >
> >Both of course! :)
> >
> >Actually, there's a couple things that would be cool here:
> > - Tomcat/Jetty running as merlin service
> > - An Avalon light weight servlet container (which adds avalon
> >lifecycle support to servlets)
> > - Easy way to access Avalon services from within service,
> action, etc.
> >(this can be done via AltRMI or JNDI, but we need to put
> together docs
> >and examples)
> >
> >I'm not very familiar with Turbine, but it would be nice to
> see Turbine
> >services running in Fortress and Merlin without too much trouble.
> >
>
> Hi Aaron:
>
> Confession - I'm not familiar with Turbine either.
>
> I have played around with Turbine Fulcrum a bit - did some
> treaking of the
> crypto package and things are working fine (using crypto
> component). I've
> got a local copy running against Merlin 3.2 using the new test case as
> part of own my own test-and-validation-release-suite.
>
> I'm interested in the Avalon/Turbine connection because I
> would like to
> play with the potential of Turbine as a smart web-service
> system that we
> plugin on the container facilites side of merlin. I'm also a
> interested
> in potential applications of Turbine on the server side (just
> a hunch).
>
> Cheers, Steve.
>
> --
>
> Stephen J. McConnell
> mailto:mcconnell@apache.org
>
>
>
>
>
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RE: [RT] My Merlin Wish List
Posted by Eric Pugh <ep...@upstate.com>.
Hi all,
I started looking at what Stephen did with the crypto service, and it is
very interesting. The Turbine dev team knows we need to come up with
something better then ECM, however we just haven't gotton around to writing
either a good FortressComponentService or MerlinComponentService. However,
if someone has something that they could contribute, that would go a long
way towards getting the ball moving on getting the various services in the
Fulcrum project moved towards Merlin.
Before Turbine 2.4 release, which is focusing on integrating all the
services moved to Fulcrum, we need to basically pick our container to run
with.. We don't want to go with Fortresss/ECM, and then in 2.5 start
swapping to Merlin which could require config changes, so it is definitly on
the list to get the MerlinComponentService written.
Eric Pugh
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stephen McConnell [mailto:mcconnell@apache.org]
> Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 10:05 AM
> To: Avalon Developers List
> Cc: turbine-dev@jakarta.apache.org
> Subject: Re: [RT] My Merlin Wish List
>
>
>
> [reposting with correct turbine-dev address]
>
>
> J Aaron Farr wrote:
>
> >>>Embeddable Merlin containers
> >>> servlets
> >>>
> >>>
> >>you mean tomcat/jerry running as a merlin service OR merlin
> running as a
> >>tomcat/jetty war? ;)
> >>
> >>
> >
> >Both of course! :)
> >
> >Actually, there's a couple things that would be cool here:
> > - Tomcat/Jetty running as merlin service
> > - An Avalon light weight servlet container (which adds avalon
> >lifecycle support to servlets)
> > - Easy way to access Avalon services from within service,
> action, etc.
> >(this can be done via AltRMI or JNDI, but we need to put
> together docs
> >and examples)
> >
> >I'm not very familiar with Turbine, but it would be nice to
> see Turbine
> >services running in Fortress and Merlin without too much trouble.
> >
>
> Hi Aaron:
>
> Confession - I'm not familiar with Turbine either.
>
> I have played around with Turbine Fulcrum a bit - did some
> treaking of the
> crypto package and things are working fine (using crypto
> component). I've
> got a local copy running against Merlin 3.2 using the new test case as
> part of own my own test-and-validation-release-suite.
>
> I'm interested in the Avalon/Turbine connection because I
> would like to
> play with the potential of Turbine as a smart web-service
> system that we
> plugin on the container facilites side of merlin. I'm also a
> interested
> in potential applications of Turbine on the server side (just
> a hunch).
>
> Cheers, Steve.
>
> --
>
> Stephen J. McConnell
> mailto:mcconnell@apache.org
>
>
>
>
>
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