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Posted to general@jakarta.apache.org by Rahul Akolkar <ra...@gmail.com> on 2005/07/25 07:08:21 UTC
Copyright line in code submissions
I recently came across a code contribution [
http://issues.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=35740 ], which
contains the
Copyright [yyyy] [name of copyright owner]
line in every file as pointed out in the Appendix at the bottom of [
http://www.apache.org/licenses/LICENSE-2.0.txt ].
The appendix talks about "How to apply the Apache License to your
work", does it also hold for code submitted for inclusion in existing
Apache projects? While the above contribution may be useful, I wanted
to check what the norm is within Jakarta, or Apache for accepting code
submissions with such copyright lines.
Thanks,
-Rahul
P.S.-Originally asked here [
http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=taglibs-dev&m=112146053822157&w=2 ]
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Re: Copyright line in code submissions
Posted by Danny Angus <da...@gmail.com>.
Yeah +1, create it and we can create an "IANAL mail" storm ;-)
We can create an FAQ based upon our own misunderstanding, because at
least it will get the misunderstanding out in the open and allow it to
be reviewed and corrected by those who know about such things.
Would it be possible to have legal-faq commit mails sent to
legal-discuss? It might help encourage the right people to review it.
d.
On 27/07/05, Henri Yandell <ba...@generationjava.com> wrote:
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> On Wed, 27 Jul 2005, robert burrell donkin wrote:
>
> > i follow the licensing list. IIRC there was a plan to create a legal FAQ
> > for committers. i might volunteer to set something in motion...
>
> +1, meaning create it and I'll offer ideas/additions/suggestions :)
>
> Hen
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Re: Copyright line in code submissions
Posted by Henri Yandell <ba...@generationjava.com>.
On Wed, 27 Jul 2005, robert burrell donkin wrote:
> i follow the licensing list. IIRC there was a plan to create a legal FAQ
> for committers. i might volunteer to set something in motion...
+1, meaning create it and I'll offer ideas/additions/suggestions :)
Hen
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Re: Copyright line in code submissions
Posted by robert burrell donkin <ro...@blueyonder.co.uk>.
On Tue, 2005-07-26 at 08:57 +0100, Danny Angus wrote:
> Robert wrote:
>
> >i sometimes find it hard to work out where opinion stops and policy
> >begins...
>
> Then again... it is surely the PMC's business to know or find out, and
> enforce?
>
> I mean, IANAL but as a manager I would think that if the PMC is charged
> with oversight it is surely marginally better for the PMC as a body to
> mis-interpret and mis-enforce centrally than for there to be n different
> personal mis-interpretations of legal requirements of all kinds.
>
> I would have thought that a jakarta web-page of legal FAQ would at least
> allow us to have an auditable standard, and if the standard is wrong it
> should then be wrong for all to see, wrong everywhere to the same degree
> and require one fix, rather than a big analysis effort up front.
i think i'm (almost) persuaded by this. it's been too fuzzy for too long
and we need to start tightening things up.
we have been trying to move any more general material from jakarta to
the foundation site. so, this would be better at the foundation level.
probably better quality of oversight there, as well.
i follow the licensing list. IIRC there was a plan to create a legal FAQ
for committers. i might volunteer to set something in motion...
- robert
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Re: Copyright line in code submissions
Posted by Danny Angus <Da...@slc.co.uk>.
Robert wrote:
>i sometimes find it hard to work out where opinion stops and policy
>begins...
Then again... it is surely the PMC's business to know or find out, and
enforce?
I mean, IANAL but as a manager I would think that if the PMC is charged
with oversight it is surely marginally better for the PMC as a body to
mis-interpret and mis-enforce centrally than for there to be n different
personal mis-interpretations of legal requirements of all kinds.
I would have thought that a jakarta web-page of legal FAQ would at least
allow us to have an auditable standard, and if the standard is wrong it
should then be wrong for all to see, wrong everywhere to the same degree
and require one fix, rather than a big analysis effort up front.
just my 2c..
d.
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Re: Copyright line in code submissions
Posted by robert burrell donkin <ro...@blueyonder.co.uk>.
On Mon, 2005-07-25 at 17:22 +1200, Simon Kitching wrote:
<snip>
> Basically, I think it's legal for code submitted to apache to have the
> copyright of the original author but there are good reasons to avoid
> this if possible.
>
> Certainly the "norm" for commons projects is to have only one copyright
> statement, being that of the ASF.
+1
> I'd be interested to know if there is a general Apache policy on this.
i sometimes find it hard to work out where opinion stops and policy
begins...
cliff schmidt seems like a good person
(http://www.apache.org/foundation/) to ask and is pretty approachable.
> IANAL and all that.
+1
legal discuss is the list for committers where those who are lawyers
hang out...
- robert
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Re: Copyright line in code submissions
Posted by Simon Kitching <sk...@apache.org>.
On Mon, 2005-07-25 at 01:08 -0400, Rahul Akolkar wrote:
> I recently came across a code contribution [
> http://issues.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=35740 ], which
> contains the
>
> Copyright [yyyy] [name of copyright owner]
>
> line in every file as pointed out in the Appendix at the bottom of [
> http://www.apache.org/licenses/LICENSE-2.0.txt ].
>
> The appendix talks about "How to apply the Apache License to your
> work", does it also hold for code submitted for inclusion in existing
> Apache projects? While the above contribution may be useful, I wanted
> to check what the norm is within Jakarta, or Apache for accepting code
> submissions with such copyright lines.
>
> Thanks,
> -Rahul
>
> P.S.-Originally asked here [
> http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=taglibs-dev&m=112146053822157&w=2 ]
>
This was discussed briefly on legal-discuss@apache.org.
You can find my opinion (which I haven't changed) here:
http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/www-legal-discuss/200502.mbox/%
3c1107946254.24655.30.camel@blackbox%3e
Basically, I think it's legal for code submitted to apache to have the
copyright of the original author but there are good reasons to avoid
this if possible.
Certainly the "norm" for commons projects is to have only one copyright
statement, being that of the ASF.
I'd be interested to know if there is a general Apache policy on this.
IANAL and all that.
Regards,
Simon
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