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Usage of UML
Hi,
I was wondering what kind of policy we have for using tools beyond the
standard set (JDK, Junit and editor).
For instance, UML helps me in my daily life, but there is no expectations of
UML in ASF.
Many UML tools are either fairly expensive or very restricted, but some
vendors offer the full version for NPOs explicitly on their web site, but I
suspect many others would be happy to help ASF with full versions for ASF
related work.
I am also not fully knowledgable about interchangeable file formats, but I
think this is being adressed by the UML community at the moment.
Anyone has any opinion about this?
Niclas
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Re: [OT] Re: Usage of UML
Posted by Niclas Hedhman <ni...@hedhman.org>.
On Monday 23 February 2004 06:00, Leo Simons wrote:
> Niclas Hedhman wrote:
> > Yeah, I like pen and paper a lot myself :o)
>
> excuse me? Is that a new design methodology? I'm not familiar with "pen
> and paper".
Yes, stay tuned, I will formalize it in a book. "Radical Programming - Embrace
Legacy." :D Want to co-author ?
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[OT] Re: Usage of UML
Posted by Leo Simons <le...@apache.org>.
Niclas Hedhman wrote:
> Yeah, I like pen and paper a lot myself :o)
excuse me? Is that a new design methodology? I'm not familiar with "pen
and paper". A google search
http://www.google.nl/search?q=%22pen+and+paper%22
turns up a lot about role-playing games, but not much related to
software development. Is this an adaptation of a technique used in game
development or something like that?
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Re: Usage of UML
Posted by Niclas Hedhman <ni...@hedhman.org>.
On Monday 23 February 2004 04:32, Leo Simons wrote:
> Niclas Hedhman wrote:
> > Anyone has any opinion about this?
>
> put it on a sattelite server or somethin' like that. Maybe Aaron has
> some space left :D. Avoids the debate on open formats etc etc.
>
> I used to use TogetherJ a lot. I think I have a free license lying
> around here somewhere. But I've moved from 'formal' modelling to using
> ConceptDraw, moved from that to powerpoint, until I settled (for now) on
> open office draw. Its no doubt less productive, but its more fun ;)
Yeah, I like pen and paper a lot myself :o)
Niclas
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Re: Usage of UML
Posted by Leo Simons <le...@apache.org>.
Niclas Hedhman wrote:
> Anyone has any opinion about this?
put it on a sattelite server or somethin' like that. Maybe Aaron has
some space left :D. Avoids the debate on open formats etc etc.
I used to use TogetherJ a lot. I think I have a free license lying
around here somewhere. But I've moved from 'formal' modelling to using
ConceptDraw, moved from that to powerpoint, until I settled (for now) on
open office draw. Its no doubt less productive, but its more fun ;)
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- Leo Simons
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RE: Usage of UML
Posted by "Noel J. Bergman" <no...@devtech.com>.
> > Many UML tools are either fairly expensive or very restricted, [but]
> > I suspect many others would be happy to help ASF with full versions
I think there is a good case here.
See: http://argouml.tigris.org
--- Noel
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Re: Usage of UML
Posted by Stephen McConnell <mc...@apache.org>.
Niclas Hedhman wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I was wondering what kind of policy we have for using tools beyond the
> standard set (JDK, Junit and editor).
>
> For instance, UML helps me in my daily life, but there is no expectations of
> UML in ASF.
>
> Many UML tools are either fairly expensive or very restricted, but some
> vendors offer the full version for NPOs explicitly on their web site, but I
> suspect many others would be happy to help ASF with full versions for ASF
> related work.
I think there is a good case here.
> I am also not fully knowledgable about interchangeable file formats, but I
> think this is being adressed by the UML community at the moment.
UML Interchange specs is MOF 1.4 (Meta Object Facility) [1]. There is
also a process underway concerning diagram interchange and a draft
specification [2] has been published.
[1] http://www.omg.org/technology/documents/formal/mof.htm
[2] http://www.omg.org/cgi-bin/doc?ptc/2003-07-03
Stephen.
>
> Anyone has any opinion about this?
>
>
> Niclas
>
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RE: Usage of UML
Posted by Alex Karasulu <ao...@bellsouth.net>.
I use TogetherJ and love UML. I'd like to see more in this area too.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Niclas Hedhman [mailto:niclas@hedhman.org]
> Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2004 6:54 AM
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>
>
> Hi,
>
> I was wondering what kind of policy we have for using tools beyond the
> standard set (JDK, Junit and editor).
>
> For instance, UML helps me in my daily life, but there is no expectations
> of
> UML in ASF.
>
> Many UML tools are either fairly expensive or very restricted, but some
> vendors offer the full version for NPOs explicitly on their web site, but
> I
> suspect many others would be happy to help ASF with full versions for ASF
> related work.
>
> I am also not fully knowledgable about interchangeable file formats, but I
> think this is being adressed by the UML community at the moment.
>
>
> Anyone has any opinion about this?
>
>
> Niclas
>
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Re: Usage of UML
Posted by Niclas Hedhman <ni...@hedhman.org>.
On Tuesday 24 February 2004 11:08, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
> Not everyone uses linux so we can't expect UML, but UML will be included in
> most kernel 2.6-based distributions.
> P.S. That'll teach you to use an ambiguous TLA. ;-)
What is TLA?
Niclas
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RE: Usage of UML
Posted by "Noel J. Bergman" <no...@devtech.com>.
> I was wondering what kind of policy we have for using tools
Well, I keep trying to require emacs and ban vi ...
> For instance, UML helps me in my daily life, but there is no
> expectations of UML in ASF.
Not everyone uses linux so we can't expect UML, but UML will be included in
most kernel 2.6-based distributions.
--- Noel
P.S. That'll teach you to use an ambiguous TLA. ;-)
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