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Posted to dev@servicemix.apache.org by Bruce Snyder <br...@gmail.com> on 2006/09/01 17:13:04 UTC
Changing the name of the ServiceMix project at the Codehaus
ServiceMix was moved from the Codehaus to the ASF late in 2005. This
involved leaving behind some modules that are not compatible with the
Apache License so we decided to just leave the project that housed
ServiceMix at the Codehaus in place to continue to house these
modules. However, it has become rather confusing for people to
understand the distinction between these two project spaces (one at
the ASF and one at the Codehaus) and it's high time that we decided to
change the name of the ServiceMix project that remains at the
Codehaus. Therefore, I propose that we select a new name for this
project. If others are interested let's begin to discuss names.
Bruce
--
perl -e 'print unpack("u30","D0G)U8V4\@4VYY9&5R\"F)R=6-E+G-N>61E<D\!G;6%I;\"YC;VT*"
);'
Apache Geronimo - http://geronimo.apache.org/
Apache ActiveMQ - http://incubator.apache.org/activemq/
Apache ServiceMix - http://incubator.apache.org/servicemix/
Castor - http://castor.org/
Re: Changing the name of the ServiceMix project at the Codehaus
Posted by Philip Dodds <ph...@gmail.com>.
Maybe we should consider the codehaus as a ServiceMix Forge or Service
Forge - since I suspect that sooner or later we could use it to hold
components with non-compliant licenses?
Just a thought (well another) :)
P
On 9/6/06, Terry Cox <te...@meta-concepts.com> wrote:
> > ServiceMixins
>
> Bit cheesy from a professional 'business technology' point of view.
>
> Terry
>
Re: Changing the name of the ServiceMix project at the Codehaus
Posted by Terry Cox <te...@meta-concepts.com>.
> ServiceMixins
Bit cheesy from a professional 'business technology' point of view.
Terry
Re: SUM: Re: Changing the name of the ServiceMix project at the Codehaus
Posted by Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com>.
I will ask for clarifications on legal & general incubator mailing list.
On 11/23/06, Bruce Snyder <br...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 11/22/06, Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I was wondering if we could simply shut down the codehaus
> > project and import back the remaining bits at Apache.
> > As these parts depend on jboss (LGPL) or some proprietary
> > libraries (XSQL), i was thinking that we could just import the
> > code in a new area of servicemix (other than trunk) and not
> > release it. Simply importing the code should be ok with legal,
> > as soon as we do not release it afaik.
> >
> > Thoughts ?
>
> I'm not sure if incompatible code is allowed to be checked in as a
> long-term solution, is it?
>
> Bruce
> --
> perl -e 'print unpack("u30","D0G)U8V4\@4VYY9&5R\"F)R=6-E+G-N>61E<D\!G;6%I;\"YC;VT*"
> );'
>
> Apache Geronimo - http://geronimo.apache.org/
> Apache ActiveMQ - http://activemq.org/
> Apache ServiceMix - http://servicemix.org/
> Castor - http://castor.org/
>
--
Cheers,
Guillaume Nodet
Re: SUM: Re: Changing the name of the ServiceMix project at the Codehaus
Posted by Bruce Snyder <br...@gmail.com>.
On 11/22/06, Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I was wondering if we could simply shut down the codehaus
> project and import back the remaining bits at Apache.
> As these parts depend on jboss (LGPL) or some proprietary
> libraries (XSQL), i was thinking that we could just import the
> code in a new area of servicemix (other than trunk) and not
> release it. Simply importing the code should be ok with legal,
> as soon as we do not release it afaik.
>
> Thoughts ?
I'm not sure if incompatible code is allowed to be checked in as a
long-term solution, is it?
Bruce
--
perl -e 'print unpack("u30","D0G)U8V4\@4VYY9&5R\"F)R=6-E+G-N>61E<D\!G;6%I;\"YC;VT*"
);'
Apache Geronimo - http://geronimo.apache.org/
Apache ActiveMQ - http://activemq.org/
Apache ServiceMix - http://servicemix.org/
Castor - http://castor.org/
Re: SUM: Re: Changing the name of the ServiceMix project at the Codehaus
Posted by Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com>.
Overmix sounds good.
On Thu, 28 Sep 2006 19:25 +0100 (BST), Terry Cox
<te...@meta-concepts.com> wrote:
> Interesting. 'sm' words in English often have negative or derogative
> connotations:
>
> Smut
> Smack
> Smug
> Small
> Smarm
> Smash
> Smatter
> Smear
> Smeg
> Smell
> Smirch
> Smit
> Smite
> Smithereens
> Smog
> Smother
> Smudge
>
> I would advise against 'sm' words for that reason.
>
> Other thoughts:
>
> intermixable.org
> overmix.org
> mixible.org
> premixed.org
>
>
> Terry
>
--
Cheers,
Guillaume Nodet
Re: SUM: Re: Changing the name of the ServiceMix project at the Codehaus
Posted by James Strachan <ja...@gmail.com>.
I often use SMX as initials of ServiceMix. So how about appreviating
ServiceMix Extras -> Smextra or Smex? Which also include the SMX
initials but are quite a different words?
On 9/28/06, gede06@student.bth.se <ge...@student.bth.se> wrote:
>
>
> bsnyder wrote:
> >
> > Yeah, the use of ServiceMix is forbidden AFAIK because the ASF owns
> > the term. And as far as MixDepot is concerned, according to
> > http://www.mixdepot.net/, a company named Hybridized Sound holds the
> > copyright.
> >
> > I think we need to keep brainstorming.
> >
> Too bad :-(
>
> As Smix is speakable (like "twix") and sometimes used as abbreviation, we
> could just replace it, so try SmixDepot, BeyondSmix etc.
>
> Some ideas, not checked for any legal stuff
> smext (servicemix EXTensions) 1k results (similar to "to taste" in some
> languages)
> smixes (like spoken "servicemix's") <1k
> smore (servicemix & more), 300k
> smuff (servicemix stuff) 13k (very similar to snuff, an oral tabacco sold in
> Sweden)
> mixus (mix us) 300k
>
> CoMo (Components and more), 800M :-( so better combinations like SMixCoMo
> (zero results)
>
> Georg
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>
>
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Re: SUM: Re: Changing the name of the ServiceMix project at the Codehaus
Posted by Bruce Snyder <br...@gmail.com>.
On 9/28/06, gede06@student.bth.se <ge...@student.bth.se> wrote:
>
>
> bsnyder wrote:
> >
> > Yeah, the use of ServiceMix is forbidden AFAIK because the ASF owns
> > the term. And as far as MixDepot is concerned, according to
> > http://www.mixdepot.net/, a company named Hybridized Sound holds the
> > copyright.
> >
> > I think we need to keep brainstorming.
> >
> Too bad :-(
>
> As Smix is speakable (like "twix") and sometimes used as abbreviation, we
> could just replace it, so try SmixDepot, BeyondSmix etc.
>
> Some ideas, not checked for any legal stuff
> smext (servicemix EXTensions) 1k results (similar to "to taste" in some
> languages)
> smixes (like spoken "servicemix's") <1k
> smore (servicemix & more), 300k
> smuff (servicemix stuff) 13k (very similar to snuff, an oral tabacco sold in
> Sweden)
> mixus (mix us) 300k
>
> CoMo (Components and more), 800M :-( so better combinations like SMixCoMo
> (zero results)
We tend to abbreviate ServiceMix by calling it SMX (ess-emm-exx) and
there are usually plays on that.
Bruce
--
perl -e 'print unpack("u30","D0G)U8V4\@4VYY9&5R\"F)R=6-E+G-N>61E<D\!G;6%I;\"YC;VT*"
);'
Apache Geronimo - http://geronimo.apache.org/
Apache ActiveMQ - http://incubator.apache.org/activemq/
Apache ServiceMix - http://incubator.apache.org/servicemix/
Castor - http://castor.org/
Re: SUM: Re: Changing the name of the ServiceMix project at the Codehaus
Posted by Terry Cox <te...@meta-concepts.com>.
Interesting. 'sm' words in English often have negative or derogative
connotations:
Smut
Smack
Smug
Small
Smarm
Smash
Smatter
Smear
Smeg
Smell
Smirch
Smit
Smite
Smithereens
Smog
Smother
Smudge
I would advise against 'sm' words for that reason.
Other thoughts:
intermixable.org
overmix.org
mixible.org
premixed.org
Terry
Re: SUM: Re: Changing the name of the ServiceMix project at the
Codehaus
Posted by "gede06@student.bth.se" <ge...@student.bth.se>.
bsnyder wrote:
>
> Yeah, the use of ServiceMix is forbidden AFAIK because the ASF owns
> the term. And as far as MixDepot is concerned, according to
> http://www.mixdepot.net/, a company named Hybridized Sound holds the
> copyright.
>
> I think we need to keep brainstorming.
>
Too bad :-(
As Smix is speakable (like "twix") and sometimes used as abbreviation, we
could just replace it, so try SmixDepot, BeyondSmix etc.
Some ideas, not checked for any legal stuff
smext (servicemix EXTensions) 1k results (similar to "to taste" in some
languages)
smixes (like spoken "servicemix's") <1k
smore (servicemix & more), 300k
smuff (servicemix stuff) 13k (very similar to snuff, an oral tabacco sold in
Sweden)
mixus (mix us) 300k
CoMo (Components and more), 800M :-( so better combinations like SMixCoMo
(zero results)
Georg
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Re: SUM: Re: Changing the name of the ServiceMix project at the Codehaus
Posted by Bruce Snyder <br...@gmail.com>.
On 9/19/06, gede06@student.bth.se <ge...@student.bth.se> wrote:
>
> Hej Bruce,
>
>
> bsnyder wrote:
> >
> >> Could you please sketch the scope/content of the future codehaus project
> >> space in a few sentences?
> > There is no predefined scope. The project at the Codehaus is only used
> > to house addtions Apache ServiceMix that are not compatible with the
> > Apache License. Just as with Apache ServiceMix, anyone can contribute.
> >
>
> then IMHO "BeyondServiceMix" (4 results, with space 9k) and "MixDepot" (50k
> results) are best as they fulfill the posted requirements AND describe that
> anything related to ServiceMix may be placed in the codehaus project. For
> the first one: Is this already an "illegal" use of the name ServiceMix?
Yeah, the use of ServiceMix is forbidden AFAIK because the ASF owns
the term. And as far as MixDepot is concerned, according to
http://www.mixdepot.net/, a company named Hybridized Sound holds the
copyright.
I think we need to keep brainstorming.
Bruce
--
perl -e 'print unpack("u30","D0G)U8V4\@4VYY9&5R\"F)R=6-E+G-N>61E<D\!G;6%I;\"YC;VT*"
);'
Apache Geronimo - http://geronimo.apache.org/
Apache ActiveMQ - http://incubator.apache.org/activemq/
Apache ServiceMix - http://incubator.apache.org/servicemix/
Castor - http://castor.org/
Re: SUM: Re: Changing the name of the ServiceMix project at the
Codehaus
Posted by "gede06@student.bth.se" <ge...@student.bth.se>.
Hej Bruce,
bsnyder wrote:
>
>> Could you please sketch the scope/content of the future codehaus project
>> space in a few sentences?
> There is no predefined scope. The project at the Codehaus is only used
> to house addtions Apache ServiceMix that are not compatible with the
> Apache License. Just as with Apache ServiceMix, anyone can contribute.
>
then IMHO "BeyondServiceMix" (4 results, with space 9k) and "MixDepot" (50k
results) are best as they fulfill the posted requirements AND describe that
anything related to ServiceMix may be placed in the codehaus project. For
the first one: Is this already an "illegal" use of the name ServiceMix?
my 2 cents
Georg
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Re: SUM: Re: Changing the name of the ServiceMix project at the Codehaus
Posted by Bruce Snyder <br...@gmail.com>.
On 9/16/06, gede06@student.bth.se <ge...@student.bth.se> wrote:
>
>
> bsnyder wrote:
> >
> >> I followed this discussion but did not yet get: What shall be hosted at
> >> the
> >> codehouse project site? Just some few components? Or shall it be a
> >> growing,
> >> open collection of components? Or something completely different?
> >
> > Georg, the reason for part of the project to remain at the Codehaus is
> > to house any extensions or components for ServiceMix using a license
> > that is not compatible with the Apache License.
> > ...
> > Regarding the name, the Apache Software Foundation now owns the name
> > ServiceMix, so we're not able to use this name outside of that context.
> >
> Bruce, thank you for explaining in more detail the reasons why 2 projects
> are needed :)
> Could you please sketch the scope/content of the future codehaus project
> space in a few sentences?
There is no predefined scope. The project at the Codehaus is only used
to house addtions Apache ServiceMix that are not compatible with the
Apache License. Just as with Apache ServiceMix, anyone can contribute.
Bruce
--
perl -e 'print unpack("u30","D0G)U8V4\@4VYY9&5R\"F)R=6-E+G-N>61E<D\!G;6%I;\"YC;VT*"
);'
Apache Geronimo - http://geronimo.apache.org/
Apache ActiveMQ - http://incubator.apache.org/activemq/
Apache ServiceMix - http://incubator.apache.org/servicemix/
Castor - http://castor.org/
Re: SUM: Re: Changing the name of the ServiceMix project at the
Codehaus
Posted by "gede06@student.bth.se" <ge...@student.bth.se>.
bsnyder wrote:
>
>> I followed this discussion but did not yet get: What shall be hosted at
>> the
>> codehouse project site? Just some few components? Or shall it be a
>> growing,
>> open collection of components? Or something completely different?
>
> Georg, the reason for part of the project to remain at the Codehaus is
> to house any extensions or components for ServiceMix using a license
> that is not compatible with the Apache License.
> ...
> Regarding the name, the Apache Software Foundation now owns the name
> ServiceMix, so we're not able to use this name outside of that context.
>
Bruce, thank you for explaining in more detail the reasons why 2 projects
are needed :)
Could you please sketch the scope/content of the future codehaus project
space in a few sentences?
Thank you, Georg
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Re: SUM: Re: Changing the name of the ServiceMix project at the Codehaus
Posted by Bruce Snyder <br...@gmail.com>.
On 9/16/06, gede06@student.bth.se <ge...@student.bth.se> wrote:
>
> Hello from Sweden!
>
> I followed this discussion but did not yet get: What shall be hosted at the
> codehouse project site? Just some few components? Or shall it be a growing,
> open collection of components? Or something completely different?
>
> IMHO a wiki page is perfect for this task: Easy to collaborate & keep the
> overview. Listing & commenting proposals. Listing requirements. Reusable for
> later naming needs.
>
> > We could always go for ServiceReMix
>
> May IMHO confuse "outsiders": Is this a fork of the ServiceMix project? Or
> some kind of other re-use of SM?
>
> > Well, here are a few that spring to mind to get the creative process
> > rolling:
> > InTheMix
>
> IMHO great for components etc, as they will be used inside Servicemix
>
> > MixCentral
> > MixDepot
>
> IMHO great when a bigger bunch of related packages/projects/examples/...
> shall be hosted/linked.
>
> > MixBase
> > MixCore
>
> May be misunderstood as servicemix-core or other internals
>
> > BeyondServiceMix
>
> nice for things that complement ServiceMix
>
>
> To summarize the requirements: The name shall be
> * pronouncable (like distinction between acronym and abbreviation, e.g. VoIP
> and URL are speakable, whereas CSS and SVN are not)
> * showing clear separation from main project
> * somehow tying to the main project
> * search engine friendly (no command characters like " - + etc.)
> * easy to find (not too many other results, even with common spelling errors
> [e.g. space inbetween single words of a compound one])
> * usable in professional contexts, so no similarity (written/spelled/spoken)
> with swearwords and the like (maybe even in other common languages than just
> English, so Spanish, Chinese, Arabian, Russian, French, German etc.)
>
> Did I miss something? Just add...
>
> Have a sunny saturday, Georg
Georg, the reason for part of the project to remain at the Codehaus is
to house any extensions or components for ServiceMix using a license
that is not compatible with the Apache License. Please see the
following document for more information:
http://people.apache.org/~cliffs/3party.html#category-x
Regarding the name, the Apache Software Foundation now owns the name
ServiceMix, so we're not able to use this name outside of that
context. This is why this entire discussion got started.
Bruce
--
perl -e 'print unpack("u30","D0G)U8V4\@4VYY9&5R\"F)R=6-E+G-N>61E<D\!G;6%I;\"YC;VT*"
);'
Apache Geronimo - http://geronimo.apache.org/
Apache ActiveMQ - http://incubator.apache.org/activemq/
Apache ServiceMix - http://incubator.apache.org/servicemix/
Castor - http://castor.org/
Re: SUM: Re: Changing the name of the ServiceMix project at the Codehaus
Posted by Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com>.
I was wondering if we could simply shut down the codehaus
project and import back the remaining bits at Apache.
As these parts depend on jboss (LGPL) or some proprietary
libraries (XSQL), i was thinking that we could just import the
code in a new area of servicemix (other than trunk) and not
release it. Simply importing the code should be ok with legal,
as soon as we do not release it afaik.
Thoughts ?
On 9/16/06, gede06@student.bth.se <ge...@student.bth.se> wrote:
>
> Hello from Sweden!
>
> I followed this discussion but did not yet get: What shall be hosted at the
> codehouse project site? Just some few components? Or shall it be a growing,
> open collection of components? Or something completely different?
>
> IMHO a wiki page is perfect for this task: Easy to collaborate & keep the
> overview. Listing & commenting proposals. Listing requirements. Reusable for
> later naming needs.
>
> > We could always go for ServiceReMix
>
> May IMHO confuse "outsiders": Is this a fork of the ServiceMix project? Or
> some kind of other re-use of SM?
>
> > Well, here are a few that spring to mind to get the creative process
> > rolling:
> > InTheMix
>
> IMHO great for components etc, as they will be used inside Servicemix
>
> > MixCentral
> > MixDepot
>
> IMHO great when a bigger bunch of related packages/projects/examples/...
> shall be hosted/linked.
>
> > MixBase
> > MixCore
>
> May be misunderstood as servicemix-core or other internals
>
> > BeyondServiceMix
>
> nice for things that complement ServiceMix
>
>
> To summarize the requirements: The name shall be
> * pronouncable (like distinction between acronym and abbreviation, e.g. VoIP
> and URL are speakable, whereas CSS and SVN are not)
> * showing clear separation from main project
> * somehow tying to the main project
> * search engine friendly (no command characters like " - + etc.)
> * easy to find (not too many other results, even with common spelling errors
> [e.g. space inbetween single words of a compound one])
> * usable in professional contexts, so no similarity (written/spelled/spoken)
> with swearwords and the like (maybe even in other common languages than just
> English, so Spanish, Chinese, Arabian, Russian, French, German etc.)
>
> Did I miss something? Just add...
>
> Have a sunny saturday, Georg
> --
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> Sent from the ServiceMix - Dev forum at Nabble.com.
>
>
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Guillaume Nodet
Re: Changing the name of the ServiceMix project at the Codehaus
Posted by Dain Sundstrom <da...@iq80.com>.
Mixin
Smojo
-dain
On Sep 12, 2006, at 9:59 PM, Peter Smith wrote:
> ServiceMex
>
> Bruce Snyder wrote:
>>
>> MiXTensions ;-)
>>
>> Bruce
>
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Re: Changing the name of the ServiceMix project at the Codehaus
Posted by Peter Smith <pe...@fast.fujitsu.com.au>.
ServiceMex
Bruce Snyder wrote:
>
> MiXTensions ;-)
>
> Bruce
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Re: Changing the name of the ServiceMix project at the Codehaus
Posted by Bruce Snyder <br...@gmail.com>.
On 9/12/06, Terry Cox <te...@meta-concepts.com> wrote:
> > Oh i don't care about my suggestion really, just trying to get us to
> > think outside the box.
>
>
> Well, here are a few that spring to mind to get the creative process
> rolling:
>
> InTheMix
>
> MixCentral
>
> MixDepot
>
> MixCore
>
> BeyondServiceMix
>
> MixBase
MiXTensions ;-)
Bruce
--
perl -e 'print unpack("u30","D0G)U8V4\@4VYY9&5R\"F)R=6-E+G-N>61E<D\!G;6%I;\"YC;VT*"
);'
Apache Geronimo - http://geronimo.apache.org/
Apache ActiveMQ - http://incubator.apache.org/activemq/
Apache ServiceMix - http://incubator.apache.org/servicemix/
Castor - http://castor.org/
SUM: Re: Changing the name of the ServiceMix project at the
Codehaus
Posted by "gede06@student.bth.se" <ge...@student.bth.se>.
Hello from Sweden!
I followed this discussion but did not yet get: What shall be hosted at the
codehouse project site? Just some few components? Or shall it be a growing,
open collection of components? Or something completely different?
IMHO a wiki page is perfect for this task: Easy to collaborate & keep the
overview. Listing & commenting proposals. Listing requirements. Reusable for
later naming needs.
> We could always go for ServiceReMix
May IMHO confuse "outsiders": Is this a fork of the ServiceMix project? Or
some kind of other re-use of SM?
> Well, here are a few that spring to mind to get the creative process
> rolling:
> InTheMix
IMHO great for components etc, as they will be used inside Servicemix
> MixCentral
> MixDepot
IMHO great when a bigger bunch of related packages/projects/examples/...
shall be hosted/linked.
> MixBase
> MixCore
May be misunderstood as servicemix-core or other internals
> BeyondServiceMix
nice for things that complement ServiceMix
To summarize the requirements: The name shall be
* pronouncable (like distinction between acronym and abbreviation, e.g. VoIP
and URL are speakable, whereas CSS and SVN are not)
* showing clear separation from main project
* somehow tying to the main project
* search engine friendly (no command characters like " - + etc.)
* easy to find (not too many other results, even with common spelling errors
[e.g. space inbetween single words of a compound one])
* usable in professional contexts, so no similarity (written/spelled/spoken)
with swearwords and the like (maybe even in other common languages than just
English, so Spanish, Chinese, Arabian, Russian, French, German etc.)
Did I miss something? Just add...
Have a sunny saturday, Georg
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Re: Changing the name of the ServiceMix project at the Codehaus
Posted by Philip Dodds <ph...@gmail.com>.
We could always go for ServiceReMix
P
On 9/12/06, Terry Cox <te...@meta-concepts.com> wrote:
> > Oh i don't care about my suggestion really, just trying to get us to
> > think outside the box.
>
>
> Well, here are a few that spring to mind to get the creative process
> rolling:
>
> InTheMix
>
> MixCentral
>
> MixDepot
>
> MixCore
>
> BeyondServiceMix
>
> MixBase
>
>
> Terry
>
Re: Changing the name of the ServiceMix project at the Codehaus
Posted by Terry Cox <te...@meta-concepts.com>.
> Oh i don't care about my suggestion really, just trying to get us to
> think outside the box.
Well, here are a few that spring to mind to get the creative process
rolling:
InTheMix
MixCentral
MixDepot
MixCore
BeyondServiceMix
MixBase
Terry
Re: Changing the name of the ServiceMix project at the Codehaus
Posted by Bruce Snyder <br...@gmail.com>.
On 9/11/06, Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I agree on the "professional" side, tough I' m not a native
> english speaker and I think I may miss lots of subtilities
> when choosing a name (unless one point them explicitely).
>
> On a side note, Mojo = M(aven) (P)ojo, so there is still
> a link to maven ...
Yes, I'm aware of the reason for the name, my point was that most
people don't know that.
> I think Riviera is a nice name, but very google unfriendly:
> more than 49.000.000 hits :(
Oh i don't care about my suggestion really, just trying to get us to
think outside the box.
Bruce
--
perl -e 'print unpack("u30","D0G)U8V4\@4VYY9&5R\"F)R=6-E+G-N>61E<D\!G;6%I;\"YC;VT*"
);'
Apache Geronimo - http://geronimo.apache.org/
Apache ActiveMQ - http://incubator.apache.org/activemq/
Apache ServiceMix - http://incubator.apache.org/servicemix/
Castor - http://castor.org/
Re: Changing the name of the ServiceMix project at the Codehaus
Posted by Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com>.
I agree on the "professional" side, tough I' m not a native
english speaker and I think I may miss lots of subtilities
when choosing a name (unless one point them explicitely).
On a side note, Mojo = M(aven) (P)ojo, so there is still
a link to maven ...
I think Riviera is a nice name, but very google unfriendly:
more than 49.000.000 hits :(
On 9/11/06, Bruce Snyder <br...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On 9/11/06, Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I would prefer something more google friendly ...
> > I like smixins which keep a light tie to ServiceMix.
>
> I tend to agree with Terry that the name should be more professional,
> but I'm not going to get in the way if others like it. Think of
> Maven/Mojo combination - there's a clear separation (for legal
> purposes) and Mojo passes as a professional enough name. But I'd
> really like to just choose something and move on.
>
> Bruce
> --
> perl -e 'print
> unpack("u30","D0G)U8V4\@4VYY9&5R\"F)R=6-E+G-N>61E<D\!G;6%I;\"YC;VT*"
> );'
>
> Apache Geronimo - http://geronimo.apache.org/
> Apache ActiveMQ - http://incubator.apache.org/activemq/
> Apache ServiceMix - http://incubator.apache.org/servicemix/
> Castor - http://castor.org/
>
--
Cheers,
Guillaume Nodet
Re: Changing the name of the ServiceMix project at the Codehaus
Posted by Terry Cox <te...@meta-concepts.com>.
Take it from me, most big corporate clients spend much more effort
worrying about whether they like the name of the project than on
evaluating the quality of the technology it contains.
If they can't pronounce it or spell it, they won't use it. :)
Terry
Re: Changing the name of the ServiceMix project at the Codehaus
Posted by Bruce Snyder <br...@gmail.com>.
On 9/11/06, Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I would prefer something more google friendly ...
> I like smixins which keep a light tie to ServiceMix.
I tend to agree with Terry that the name should be more professional,
but I'm not going to get in the way if others like it. Think of
Maven/Mojo combination - there's a clear separation (for legal
purposes) and Mojo passes as a professional enough name. But I'd
really like to just choose something and move on.
Bruce
--
perl -e 'print unpack("u30","D0G)U8V4\@4VYY9&5R\"F)R=6-E+G-N>61E<D\!G;6%I;\"YC;VT*"
);'
Apache Geronimo - http://geronimo.apache.org/
Apache ActiveMQ - http://incubator.apache.org/activemq/
Apache ServiceMix - http://incubator.apache.org/servicemix/
Castor - http://castor.org/
Re: Changing the name of the ServiceMix project at the Codehaus
Posted by Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com>.
I would prefer something more google friendly ...
I like smixins which keep a light tie to ServiceMix.
On 9/11/06, Bruce Snyder <br...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On 9/6/06, Dain Sundstrom <da...@iq80.com> wrote:
> > If that is a problem, maybe we can just use Mixins or Smixins.
>
> How about choosing a name that completely separates the two project?
> How about Riviera?
>
> Bruce
> --
> perl -e 'print
> unpack("u30","D0G)U8V4\@4VYY9&5R\"F)R=6-E+G-N>61E<D\!G;6%I;\"YC;VT*"
> );'
>
> Apache Geronimo - http://geronimo.apache.org/
> Apache ActiveMQ - http://incubator.apache.org/activemq/
> Apache ServiceMix - http://incubator.apache.org/servicemix/
> Castor - http://castor.org/
>
--
Cheers,
Guillaume Nodet
Re: Changing the name of the ServiceMix project at the Codehaus
Posted by Bruce Snyder <br...@gmail.com>.
On 9/6/06, Dain Sundstrom <da...@iq80.com> wrote:
> If that is a problem, maybe we can just use Mixins or Smixins.
How about choosing a name that completely separates the two project?
How about Riviera?
Bruce
--
perl -e 'print unpack("u30","D0G)U8V4\@4VYY9&5R\"F)R=6-E+G-N>61E<D\!G;6%I;\"YC;VT*"
);'
Apache Geronimo - http://geronimo.apache.org/
Apache ActiveMQ - http://incubator.apache.org/activemq/
Apache ServiceMix - http://incubator.apache.org/servicemix/
Castor - http://castor.org/
Re: Changing the name of the ServiceMix project at the Codehaus
Posted by Dain Sundstrom <da...@iq80.com>.
If that is a problem, maybe we can just use Mixins or Smixins.
-dain
On Sep 6, 2006, at 12:15 AM, Guillaume Nodet wrote:
> That's nice !
>
> IANAL, but can we use "ServiceMix" name in another project, as it
> has been
> given to ASF ?
>
> On 9/6/06, Dain Sundstrom <da...@iq80.com> wrote:
>>
>> ServiceMixins
>>
>> -dain
>>
>> On Sep 1, 2006, at 8:13 AM, Bruce Snyder wrote:
>>
>> > ServiceMix was moved from the Codehaus to the ASF late in 2005.
>> This
>> > involved leaving behind some modules that are not compatible
>> with the
>> > Apache License so we decided to just leave the project that housed
>> > ServiceMix at the Codehaus in place to continue to house these
>> > modules. However, it has become rather confusing for people to
>> > understand the distinction between these two project spaces (one at
>> > the ASF and one at the Codehaus) and it's high time that we
>> decided to
>> > change the name of the ServiceMix project that remains at the
>> > Codehaus. Therefore, I propose that we select a new name for this
>> > project. If others are interested let's begin to discuss names.
>> >
>> > Bruce
>> > --
>> > perl -e 'print unpack("u30","D0G)U8V4\@4VYY9&5R\"F)R=6-E+G-
>> N>61E<D\!
>> > G;6%I;\"YC;VT*"
>> > );'
>> >
>> > Apache Geronimo - http://geronimo.apache.org/
>> > Apache ActiveMQ - http://incubator.apache.org/activemq/
>> > Apache ServiceMix - http://incubator.apache.org/servicemix/
>> > Castor - http://castor.org/
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Cheers,
> Guillaume Nodet
Re: Changing the name of the ServiceMix project at the Codehaus
Posted by Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com>.
That's nice !
IANAL, but can we use "ServiceMix" name in another project, as it has been
given to ASF ?
On 9/6/06, Dain Sundstrom <da...@iq80.com> wrote:
>
> ServiceMixins
>
> -dain
>
> On Sep 1, 2006, at 8:13 AM, Bruce Snyder wrote:
>
> > ServiceMix was moved from the Codehaus to the ASF late in 2005. This
> > involved leaving behind some modules that are not compatible with the
> > Apache License so we decided to just leave the project that housed
> > ServiceMix at the Codehaus in place to continue to house these
> > modules. However, it has become rather confusing for people to
> > understand the distinction between these two project spaces (one at
> > the ASF and one at the Codehaus) and it's high time that we decided to
> > change the name of the ServiceMix project that remains at the
> > Codehaus. Therefore, I propose that we select a new name for this
> > project. If others are interested let's begin to discuss names.
> >
> > Bruce
> > --
> > perl -e 'print unpack("u30","D0G)U8V4\@4VYY9&5R\"F)R=6-E+G-N>61E<D\!
> > G;6%I;\"YC;VT*"
> > );'
> >
> > Apache Geronimo - http://geronimo.apache.org/
> > Apache ActiveMQ - http://incubator.apache.org/activemq/
> > Apache ServiceMix - http://incubator.apache.org/servicemix/
> > Castor - http://castor.org/
>
>
--
Cheers,
Guillaume Nodet
Re: Changing the name of the ServiceMix project at the Codehaus
Posted by Alan Cabrera <li...@toolazydogs.com>.
+1
Regards,
Alan
Dain Sundstrom wrote:
> ServiceMixins
>
> -dain
>
> On Sep 1, 2006, at 8:13 AM, Bruce Snyder wrote:
>
>> ServiceMix was moved from the Codehaus to the ASF late in 2005. This
>> involved leaving behind some modules that are not compatible with the
>> Apache License so we decided to just leave the project that housed
>> ServiceMix at the Codehaus in place to continue to house these
>> modules. However, it has become rather confusing for people to
>> understand the distinction between these two project spaces (one at
>> the ASF and one at the Codehaus) and it's high time that we decided to
>> change the name of the ServiceMix project that remains at the
>> Codehaus. Therefore, I propose that we select a new name for this
>> project. If others are interested let's begin to discuss names.
>>
>> Bruce
>> -- perl -e 'print
>> unpack("u30","D0G)U8V4\@4VYY9&5R\"F)R=6-E+G-N>61E<D\!G;6%I;\"YC;VT*"
>> );'
>>
>> Apache Geronimo - http://geronimo.apache.org/
>> Apache ActiveMQ - http://incubator.apache.org/activemq/
>> Apache ServiceMix - http://incubator.apache.org/servicemix/
>> Castor - http://castor.org/
>
Re: Changing the name of the ServiceMix project at the Codehaus
Posted by Dain Sundstrom <da...@iq80.com>.
ServiceMixins
-dain
On Sep 1, 2006, at 8:13 AM, Bruce Snyder wrote:
> ServiceMix was moved from the Codehaus to the ASF late in 2005. This
> involved leaving behind some modules that are not compatible with the
> Apache License so we decided to just leave the project that housed
> ServiceMix at the Codehaus in place to continue to house these
> modules. However, it has become rather confusing for people to
> understand the distinction between these two project spaces (one at
> the ASF and one at the Codehaus) and it's high time that we decided to
> change the name of the ServiceMix project that remains at the
> Codehaus. Therefore, I propose that we select a new name for this
> project. If others are interested let's begin to discuss names.
>
> Bruce
> --
> perl -e 'print unpack("u30","D0G)U8V4\@4VYY9&5R\"F)R=6-E+G-N>61E<D\!
> G;6%I;\"YC;VT*"
> );'
>
> Apache Geronimo - http://geronimo.apache.org/
> Apache ActiveMQ - http://incubator.apache.org/activemq/
> Apache ServiceMix - http://incubator.apache.org/servicemix/
> Castor - http://castor.org/
Re: Changing the name of the ServiceMix project at the Codehaus
Posted by Philip Dodds <ph...@gmail.com>.
I agree that the old site only adds to the confusion - maybe
ServiceMix Extensions is the way to go?
P
On 9/1/06, Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Good idea. This is really needed, and we have to shutdown the
> old ServiceMix conluence site asap.
> I have no real ideas for the name yet, but the current groupId
> for the jboss-deployer is
> org.codehaus.smxext
>
>
> On 9/1/06, Bruce Snyder <br...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > ServiceMix was moved from the Codehaus to the ASF late in 2005. This
> > involved leaving behind some modules that are not compatible with the
> > Apache License so we decided to just leave the project that housed
> > ServiceMix at the Codehaus in place to continue to house these
> > modules. However, it has become rather confusing for people to
> > understand the distinction between these two project spaces (one at
> > the ASF and one at the Codehaus) and it's high time that we decided to
> > change the name of the ServiceMix project that remains at the
> > Codehaus. Therefore, I propose that we select a new name for this
> > project. If others are interested let's begin to discuss names.
> >
> > Bruce
> > --
> > perl -e 'print
> > unpack("u30","D0G)U8V4\@4VYY9&5R\"F)R=6-E+G-N>61E<D\!G;6%I;\"YC;VT*"
> > );'
> >
> > Apache Geronimo - http://geronimo.apache.org/
> > Apache ActiveMQ - http://incubator.apache.org/activemq/
> > Apache ServiceMix - http://incubator.apache.org/servicemix/
> > Castor - http://castor.org/
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Cheers,
> Guillaume Nodet
>
>
Re: Changing the name of the ServiceMix project at the Codehaus
Posted by Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com>.
Good idea. This is really needed, and we have to shutdown the
old ServiceMix conluence site asap.
I have no real ideas for the name yet, but the current groupId
for the jboss-deployer is
org.codehaus.smxext
On 9/1/06, Bruce Snyder <br...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> ServiceMix was moved from the Codehaus to the ASF late in 2005. This
> involved leaving behind some modules that are not compatible with the
> Apache License so we decided to just leave the project that housed
> ServiceMix at the Codehaus in place to continue to house these
> modules. However, it has become rather confusing for people to
> understand the distinction between these two project spaces (one at
> the ASF and one at the Codehaus) and it's high time that we decided to
> change the name of the ServiceMix project that remains at the
> Codehaus. Therefore, I propose that we select a new name for this
> project. If others are interested let's begin to discuss names.
>
> Bruce
> --
> perl -e 'print
> unpack("u30","D0G)U8V4\@4VYY9&5R\"F)R=6-E+G-N>61E<D\!G;6%I;\"YC;VT*"
> );'
>
> Apache Geronimo - http://geronimo.apache.org/
> Apache ActiveMQ - http://incubator.apache.org/activemq/
> Apache ServiceMix - http://incubator.apache.org/servicemix/
> Castor - http://castor.org/
>
--
Cheers,
Guillaume Nodet