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Cloud Based NetBeans
When I attended Microsoft Ignite, I was a guest of Microsoft, we were told of a new version of Visual Studio that will be hosted in the cloud. You can see it at https://online.visualstudio.com<https://online.visualstudio.com/login>. You need a Microsoft account and a free Azure account. You can see the details for yourself and the purpose of this email is not to promote this offering.
What this email is about is to discuss whether or not a cloud based NetBeans is possible. With more and more users, therefore potential new developers, using tablets and Chromebooks, less and less people will have traditional PCs. Other languages such as Python have browser based IDEs. Should we be investigating this?
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Ken Fogel
Faculty / Java Champion
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phone: (514) 931-8731 local 4799
Dawson College, 3040 Sherbrooke St. W Westmount, Quebec, H3Z 1A4, Canada
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Re: Cloud Based NetBeans
Posted by Eric Bresie <eb...@gmail.com>.
I think many have mentioned some of the other online IDEs (search for best
online ides for more) so will limit input in that...
I recall at Code One this year one of the sessions I believe by the gluon
folks talked about a way of porting existing (I believe jfx based)
applications using some framework (maybe some phone gap offshoot) which
allowed the same application to be hosted as a desktop app, mobile app, and
web based app with limited changes.
There is the JavaFX WebView as well which may be worth wild.
But much of this may also raise the thought of JavaFX based Netbeans but
that’s a separate discussion.
Eric
On Tue, Nov 19, 2019 at 1:17 AM Emilian Bold <em...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Tim, have you seen a Jupyter Notebook? That thing is awesome for
> exploratory Machine Learning or just plain coding. It's basically
> literate programming. You sprinkle some notes, some code, run the code
> in-place in the browser and even see charts / pictures / data.
>
> Of course, it doesn't help you with debugging or refactoring or
> anything like that but for smaller projects, it's quite great. The
> REPL of these ages I guess.
>
> --emi
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 19, 2019 at 3:57 AM Tim Boudreau <ni...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > I suspect for that to ever have legs, it would require the redefinition
> of
> > what programming *is* to be amenable to one-finger, drag-and-drop
> > operations on a tablet. And, well, people have been trying to do that
> > since there have been programming languages. The complexity you need to
> > express to do anything real just isn't expressible that way - same as UML
> > becomes useless as soon as you touch anything non-trivial, or worse,
> > concurrency. I don't see that changing any time soon.
> >
> > Every big company that does languages / tooling, at some point, has
> > executives who aren't programmers, and think "Hey, programming should be
> > done the new cool way on phones and tablets - and then we could hold
> > people's software for ransom, make them dependent on our tooling and have
> > to deploy on our cloud! Think of the $$!" And they throw a bunch of
> money
> > at it and build something that sort of works and nobody wants or likes.
> > Rinse and repeat.
> >
> > The big problem goes back to IBM's 1990s attempts with Visual Age, where
> > your code isn't files on disk, it's in this magical database. That
> sounds
> > great until the first time you want to use an external tool against it,
> > only it's all kept in a locked vault by your IDE.
> >
> > Maybe it will work someday, but not with any of the current programming
> > languages - it would need something designed from scratch for that
> > purpose. And good luck making that not a tinker-toy.
> >
> > -Tim
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 12:32 PM Kenneth Fogel <
> kfogel@dawsoncollege.qc.ca>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > When I attended Microsoft Ignite, I was a guest of Microsoft, we were
> told
> > > of a new version of Visual Studio that will be hosted in the cloud.
> You can
> > > see it at https://online.visualstudio.com
> > > <https://online.visualstudio.com/login>. You need a Microsoft account
> and
> > > a free Azure account. You can see the details for yourself and the
> purpose
> > > of this email is not to promote this offering.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > What this email is about is to discuss whether or not a cloud based
> > > NetBeans is possible. With more and more users, therefore potential new
> > > developers, using tablets and Chromebooks, less and less people will
> have
> > > traditional PCs. Other languages such as Python have browser based
> IDEs.
> > > Should we be investigating this?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [image: cid:image011.jpg@01D58921.806E3550]
> > >
> > > *Ken Fogel*
> > > Faculty / Java Champion
> > >
> > > email: kfogel@dawsoncollege.qc.ca
> > > phone: (514) 931-8731 local 4799
> > >
> > > Dawson College, 3040 Sherbrooke St. W Westmount, Quebec, H3Z 1A4,
> Canada
> > >
> > > [image: facebook icon] <https://www.facebook.com/ken.fogel> [image:
> > > twitter icon] <https://twitter.com/omniprof> [image: youtube icon]
> > > <https://www.youtube.com/kenfogel> [image: linkedin icon]
> > > <https://www.linkedin.com/in/kenfogel/> [image: instagram icon]
> > > <https://www.instagram.com/omniprof/>
> > >
> > > [image: cid:16cd4bdce7eaf8d708] <https://www.dawsoncollege.qc.ca/>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > http://timboudreau.com
>
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Re: Cloud Based NetBeans
Posted by Emilian Bold <em...@gmail.com>.
Tim, have you seen a Jupyter Notebook? That thing is awesome for
exploratory Machine Learning or just plain coding. It's basically
literate programming. You sprinkle some notes, some code, run the code
in-place in the browser and even see charts / pictures / data.
Of course, it doesn't help you with debugging or refactoring or
anything like that but for smaller projects, it's quite great. The
REPL of these ages I guess.
--emi
On Tue, Nov 19, 2019 at 3:57 AM Tim Boudreau <ni...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I suspect for that to ever have legs, it would require the redefinition of
> what programming *is* to be amenable to one-finger, drag-and-drop
> operations on a tablet. And, well, people have been trying to do that
> since there have been programming languages. The complexity you need to
> express to do anything real just isn't expressible that way - same as UML
> becomes useless as soon as you touch anything non-trivial, or worse,
> concurrency. I don't see that changing any time soon.
>
> Every big company that does languages / tooling, at some point, has
> executives who aren't programmers, and think "Hey, programming should be
> done the new cool way on phones and tablets - and then we could hold
> people's software for ransom, make them dependent on our tooling and have
> to deploy on our cloud! Think of the $$!" And they throw a bunch of money
> at it and build something that sort of works and nobody wants or likes.
> Rinse and repeat.
>
> The big problem goes back to IBM's 1990s attempts with Visual Age, where
> your code isn't files on disk, it's in this magical database. That sounds
> great until the first time you want to use an external tool against it,
> only it's all kept in a locked vault by your IDE.
>
> Maybe it will work someday, but not with any of the current programming
> languages - it would need something designed from scratch for that
> purpose. And good luck making that not a tinker-toy.
>
> -Tim
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 12:32 PM Kenneth Fogel <kf...@dawsoncollege.qc.ca>
> wrote:
>
> > When I attended Microsoft Ignite, I was a guest of Microsoft, we were told
> > of a new version of Visual Studio that will be hosted in the cloud. You can
> > see it at https://online.visualstudio.com
> > <https://online.visualstudio.com/login>. You need a Microsoft account and
> > a free Azure account. You can see the details for yourself and the purpose
> > of this email is not to promote this offering.
> >
> >
> >
> > What this email is about is to discuss whether or not a cloud based
> > NetBeans is possible. With more and more users, therefore potential new
> > developers, using tablets and Chromebooks, less and less people will have
> > traditional PCs. Other languages such as Python have browser based IDEs.
> > Should we be investigating this?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [image: cid:image011.jpg@01D58921.806E3550]
> >
> > *Ken Fogel*
> > Faculty / Java Champion
> >
> > email: kfogel@dawsoncollege.qc.ca
> > phone: (514) 931-8731 local 4799
> >
> > Dawson College, 3040 Sherbrooke St. W Westmount, Quebec, H3Z 1A4, Canada
> >
> > [image: facebook icon] <https://www.facebook.com/ken.fogel> [image:
> > twitter icon] <https://twitter.com/omniprof> [image: youtube icon]
> > <https://www.youtube.com/kenfogel> [image: linkedin icon]
> > <https://www.linkedin.com/in/kenfogel/> [image: instagram icon]
> > <https://www.instagram.com/omniprof/>
> >
> > [image: cid:16cd4bdce7eaf8d708] <https://www.dawsoncollege.qc.ca/>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> http://timboudreau.com
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Re: Cloud Based NetBeans
Posted by Tim Boudreau <ni...@gmail.com>.
I suspect for that to ever have legs, it would require the redefinition of
what programming *is* to be amenable to one-finger, drag-and-drop
operations on a tablet. And, well, people have been trying to do that
since there have been programming languages. The complexity you need to
express to do anything real just isn't expressible that way - same as UML
becomes useless as soon as you touch anything non-trivial, or worse,
concurrency. I don't see that changing any time soon.
Every big company that does languages / tooling, at some point, has
executives who aren't programmers, and think "Hey, programming should be
done the new cool way on phones and tablets - and then we could hold
people's software for ransom, make them dependent on our tooling and have
to deploy on our cloud! Think of the $$!" And they throw a bunch of money
at it and build something that sort of works and nobody wants or likes.
Rinse and repeat.
The big problem goes back to IBM's 1990s attempts with Visual Age, where
your code isn't files on disk, it's in this magical database. That sounds
great until the first time you want to use an external tool against it,
only it's all kept in a locked vault by your IDE.
Maybe it will work someday, but not with any of the current programming
languages - it would need something designed from scratch for that
purpose. And good luck making that not a tinker-toy.
-Tim
On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 12:32 PM Kenneth Fogel <kf...@dawsoncollege.qc.ca>
wrote:
> When I attended Microsoft Ignite, I was a guest of Microsoft, we were told
> of a new version of Visual Studio that will be hosted in the cloud. You can
> see it at https://online.visualstudio.com
> <https://online.visualstudio.com/login>. You need a Microsoft account and
> a free Azure account. You can see the details for yourself and the purpose
> of this email is not to promote this offering.
>
>
>
> What this email is about is to discuss whether or not a cloud based
> NetBeans is possible. With more and more users, therefore potential new
> developers, using tablets and Chromebooks, less and less people will have
> traditional PCs. Other languages such as Python have browser based IDEs.
> Should we be investigating this?
>
>
>
>
>
> [image: cid:image011.jpg@01D58921.806E3550]
>
> *Ken Fogel*
> Faculty / Java Champion
>
> email: kfogel@dawsoncollege.qc.ca
> phone: (514) 931-8731 local 4799
>
> Dawson College, 3040 Sherbrooke St. W Westmount, Quebec, H3Z 1A4, Canada
>
> [image: facebook icon] <https://www.facebook.com/ken.fogel> [image:
> twitter icon] <https://twitter.com/omniprof> [image: youtube icon]
> <https://www.youtube.com/kenfogel> [image: linkedin icon]
> <https://www.linkedin.com/in/kenfogel/> [image: instagram icon]
> <https://www.instagram.com/omniprof/>
>
> [image: cid:16cd4bdce7eaf8d708] <https://www.dawsoncollege.qc.ca/>
>
>
>
>
>
--
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Re: Cloud Based NetBeans
Posted by Jaroslav Tulach <ja...@gmail.com>.
FYI: NbJavac & other Nb parts running in your browser:
http://dew.apidesign.org/dew/
-jt
Dne po 18. 11. 2019 18:32 uživatel Kenneth Fogel <kf...@dawsoncollege.qc.ca>
napsal:
> When I attended Microsoft Ignite, I was a guest of Microsoft, we were told
> of a new version of Visual Studio that will be hosted in the cloud. You can
> see it at https://online.visualstudio.com
> <https://online.visualstudio.com/login>. You need a Microsoft account and
> a free Azure account. You can see the details for yourself and the purpose
> of this email is not to promote this offering.
>
>
>
> What this email is about is to discuss whether or not a cloud based
> NetBeans is possible. With more and more users, therefore potential new
> developers, using tablets and Chromebooks, less and less people will have
> traditional PCs. Other languages such as Python have browser based IDEs.
> Should we be investigating this?
>
>
>
>
>
> [image: cid:image011.jpg@01D58921.806E3550]
>
> *Ken Fogel*
> Faculty / Java Champion
>
> email: kfogel@dawsoncollege.qc.ca
> phone: (514) 931-8731 local 4799
>
> Dawson College, 3040 Sherbrooke St. W Westmount, Quebec, H3Z 1A4, Canada
>
> [image: facebook icon] <https://www.facebook.com/ken.fogel> [image:
> twitter icon] <https://twitter.com/omniprof> [image: youtube icon]
> <https://www.youtube.com/kenfogel> [image: linkedin icon]
> <https://www.linkedin.com/in/kenfogel/> [image: instagram icon]
> <https://www.instagram.com/omniprof/>
>
> [image: cid:16cd4bdce7eaf8d708] <https://www.dawsoncollege.qc.ca/>
>
>
>
>
>
RE: Cloud Based NetBeans
Posted by Eirik Bakke <eb...@ultorg.com>.
> That said, I don't think that an IDE is a good application for web browsers. Too much interactions, too much parallel/background stuff that has to be done, the web UI is too limited etc. My personal opinion is that I rather would like to see all developers effort is put into making the already great Netbeans IDE even better, and concentrate on that.
Strong agree. An IDE is exactly the kind of application where the desktop model really shines.
That is not to say you can't incorporate collaborative features in a desktop application. We already have great git support, and it would be perfectly possible, for instance, to implement collaborative editing (a la Google Docs or some of the latest Microsoft Visual Studio demos) from within the NetBeans IDE.
-- Eirik
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From: Jens Zurawski <jz...@diegurus.de>
Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2019 4:18 PM
To: dev@netbeans.apache.org
Subject: Re: Cloud Based NetBeans
I don't want to start a flame war on this, but web applications do have advantages... given they are designed and implemented well and used in areas, where this kind of application makes sense and where the application is able to show off its advantages. Of course they also have disadvantages.
It's as with nearly everything: Just take the right tool which fits best to the work that has to be done. To nail something better use a hammer than a wrench, albeit it would be possible to get the nail in with the wrench, too ;-)
That said, I don't think that an IDE is a good application for web browsers. Too much interactions, too much parallel/background stuff that has to be done, the web UI is too limited etc. My personal opinion is that I rather would like to see all developers effort is put into making the already great Netbeans IDE even better, and concentrate on that.
E.g. not getting distracted by big refactorings and additional abstractions which makes it harder to deliver a stable and fast tool in the end.
Just my 2 cents, as I'm not yet an active contributor for the project, but a happy long year user of Netbeans (since 6.x). I'm hoping to be able to spend some time in the future and will be able to give something back to Netbeans and contribute some little stuff.
cu
Jens
Am 24.11.2019 um 21:41 schrieb Chuck Davis:
> Well put, Scott.
>
> I have used quite a few web applications. They all suck. Either a browser
> cannot provide a decent interface for applications or nobody has yet
> figured out how to do it. Browsers are great for displaying information
> and downloading files but they are a reprehensible invention for
> applications. When Berners-Lee gets through reinventing the internet
> (which I've read he is working on) we can only hope he comes up with
> something better than the current generation of browser interfaces.
>
> We have two hospitals in town. One just installed the same software the
> other one was using. I have talked to doctors from both and they all hate
> it. All the nurses at the new hospital (the one I know most about) hate
> it. The business office hates it. The only people who like it are the
> technologically ignorant administration (who, of course, don't use it for
> anything except displaying information and downloading files) -- it's
> cheaper -- and the IT department......go figure. Doctors are very
> frustrated -- they used to have an information system that worked -- now
> they have a web application and it is universally disliked by people who
> have to use it. This is just the most current example in my little
> universe. There are plenty of others in the recent past.
>
> Web applications are for lazy and clueless IT departments who have total
> disregard for the user experience, know nothing about designing a front end
> to an application, have no clue how to conserve application real estate and
> don't know the meaning of efficiency.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 1:10 PM Scott Palmer <sw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Why anyone would want to downgrade to a web app experience is beyond me.
>> (That goes for everything, not just an IDE.)
>>
>> Scott
>>
>>
>>
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Re: Cloud Based NetBeans
Posted by Jens Zurawski <jz...@diegurus.de>.
I don't want to start a flame war on this, but web applications do have
advantages... given they are designed and implemented well and used in
areas, where this kind of application makes sense and where the
application is able to show off its advantages. Of course they also have
disadvantages.
It's as with nearly everything: Just take the right tool which fits best
to the work that has to be done. To nail something better use a hammer
than a wrench, albeit it would be possible to get the nail in with the
wrench, too ;-)
That said, I don't think that an IDE is a good application for web
browsers. Too much interactions, too much parallel/background stuff that
has to be done, the web UI is too limited etc. My personal opinion is
that I rather would like to see all developers effort is put into making
the already great Netbeans IDE even better, and concentrate on that.
E.g. not getting distracted by big refactorings and additional
abstractions which makes it harder to deliver a stable and fast tool in
the end.
Just my 2 cents, as I'm not yet an active contributor for the project,
but a happy long year user of Netbeans (since 6.x). I'm hoping to be
able to spend some time in the future and will be able to give something
back to Netbeans and contribute some little stuff.
cu
Jens
Am 24.11.2019 um 21:41 schrieb Chuck Davis:
> Well put, Scott.
>
> I have used quite a few web applications. They all suck. Either a browser
> cannot provide a decent interface for applications or nobody has yet
> figured out how to do it. Browsers are great for displaying information
> and downloading files but they are a reprehensible invention for
> applications. When Berners-Lee gets through reinventing the internet
> (which I've read he is working on) we can only hope he comes up with
> something better than the current generation of browser interfaces.
>
> We have two hospitals in town. One just installed the same software the
> other one was using. I have talked to doctors from both and they all hate
> it. All the nurses at the new hospital (the one I know most about) hate
> it. The business office hates it. The only people who like it are the
> technologically ignorant administration (who, of course, don't use it for
> anything except displaying information and downloading files) -- it's
> cheaper -- and the IT department......go figure. Doctors are very
> frustrated -- they used to have an information system that worked -- now
> they have a web application and it is universally disliked by people who
> have to use it. This is just the most current example in my little
> universe. There are plenty of others in the recent past.
>
> Web applications are for lazy and clueless IT departments who have total
> disregard for the user experience, know nothing about designing a front end
> to an application, have no clue how to conserve application real estate and
> don't know the meaning of efficiency.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 1:10 PM Scott Palmer <sw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Why anyone would want to downgrade to a web app experience is beyond me.
>> (That goes for everything, not just an IDE.)
>>
>> Scott
>>
>>
>>
--
jens zurawski
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Re: Cloud Based NetBeans
Posted by Chuck Davis <cj...@gmail.com>.
Well put, Scott.
I have used quite a few web applications. They all suck. Either a browser
cannot provide a decent interface for applications or nobody has yet
figured out how to do it. Browsers are great for displaying information
and downloading files but they are a reprehensible invention for
applications. When Berners-Lee gets through reinventing the internet
(which I've read he is working on) we can only hope he comes up with
something better than the current generation of browser interfaces.
We have two hospitals in town. One just installed the same software the
other one was using. I have talked to doctors from both and they all hate
it. All the nurses at the new hospital (the one I know most about) hate
it. The business office hates it. The only people who like it are the
technologically ignorant administration (who, of course, don't use it for
anything except displaying information and downloading files) -- it's
cheaper -- and the IT department......go figure. Doctors are very
frustrated -- they used to have an information system that worked -- now
they have a web application and it is universally disliked by people who
have to use it. This is just the most current example in my little
universe. There are plenty of others in the recent past.
Web applications are for lazy and clueless IT departments who have total
disregard for the user experience, know nothing about designing a front end
to an application, have no clue how to conserve application real estate and
don't know the meaning of efficiency.
On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 1:10 PM Scott Palmer <sw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Why anyone would want to downgrade to a web app experience is beyond me.
> (That goes for everything, not just an IDE.)
>
> Scott
>
>
>
Re: Cloud Based NetBeans
Posted by Scott Palmer <sw...@gmail.com>.
Why anyone would want to downgrade to a web app experience is beyond me. (That goes for everything, not just an IDE.)
Scott
> On Nov 18, 2019, at 3:53 PM, Christian Lenz <ch...@gmx.net> wrote:
>
> The cloud based test was Maybe is to slow to handle that inside of the browser, Maybe with HTML4j it is better now, but performance needs to be improved. I tried the experiments with NetBeans or Java stuff inside of a webpage and as a frontend dev I can say the biggest problem was the performance. Eclipse also has an online IDE, I think it was smth like this: https://www.eclipse.org/che/
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Chris
>
>
>
> Von: Arnaud bourree
> Gesendet: Montag, 18. November 2019 19:22
> An: dev@netbeans.apache.org
> Betreff: Re: Cloud Based NetBeans
>
> Hi,
>
> Personally, i cannot develop without 2 screen...
> Will we be able to use 2 tablets?
> A solution should be develop on 4K or 8K connected TV with a Bluetooth
> keyboard.
>
> I'm certainly too old.
> I think that's chimera.
>
> My 2 cents
>
> Arnaud
>
>> Le lun. 18 nov. 2019 à 19:06, Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@apache.org> a
>> écrit :
>>
>> It’s been tried multiple times, just doesn’t seem to have caught on. Maybe
>> this time it will be different for the subset of applications to which
>> development in the Cloud makes sense.
>>
>> From a NetBeans perspective it would mean ‘editor functionality as a
>> service’ within a browser in a web browser, with a NetBeans runtime in the
>> background, which is something that is implemented in one or more Oracle
>> Cloud technologies right now.
>>
>> Gj
>>
>> On Mon, 18 Nov 2019 at 18:32, Kenneth Fogel <kf...@dawsoncollege.qc.ca>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> When I attended Microsoft Ignite, I was a guest of Microsoft, we were
>> told
>>> of a new version of Visual Studio that will be hosted in the cloud. You
>> can
>>> see it at https://online.visualstudio.com
>>> <https://online.visualstudio.com/login>. You need a Microsoft account
>> and
>>> a free Azure account. You can see the details for yourself and the
>> purpose
>>> of this email is not to promote this offering.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> What this email is about is to discuss whether or not a cloud based
>>> NetBeans is possible. With more and more users, therefore potential new
>>> developers, using tablets and Chromebooks, less and less people will have
>>> traditional PCs. Other languages such as Python have browser based IDEs.
>>> Should we be investigating this?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> [image: cid:image011.jpg@01D58921.806E3550]
>>>
>>> *Ken Fogel*
>>> Faculty / Java Champion
>>>
>>> email: kfogel@dawsoncollege.qc.ca
>>> phone: (514) 931-8731 local 4799
>>>
>>> Dawson College, 3040 Sherbrooke St. W
>>> <
>> https://www.google.com/maps/search/3040+Sherbrooke+St.+W+Westmount,%0D%0A+Quebec,+H3Z?entry=gmail&source=g
>>>
>>> Westmount, Quebec, H3Z
>>> <
>> https://www.google.com/maps/search/3040+Sherbrooke+St.+W+Westmount,%0D%0A+Quebec,+H3Z?entry=gmail&source=g
>>>
>>> 1A4, Canada
>>>
>>> [image: facebook icon] <https://www.facebook.com/ken.fogel> [image:
>>> twitter icon] <https://twitter.com/omniprof> [image: youtube icon]
>>> <https://www.youtube.com/kenfogel> [image: linkedin icon]
>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/in/kenfogel/> [image: instagram icon]
>>> <https://www.instagram.com/omniprof/>
>>>
>>> [image: cid:16cd4bdce7eaf8d708] <https://www.dawsoncollege.qc.ca/>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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AW: Cloud Based NetBeans
Posted by Christian Lenz <ch...@gmx.net>.
The cloud based test was Maybe is to slow to handle that inside of the browser, Maybe with HTML4j it is better now, but performance needs to be improved. I tried the experiments with NetBeans or Java stuff inside of a webpage and as a frontend dev I can say the biggest problem was the performance. Eclipse also has an online IDE, I think it was smth like this: https://www.eclipse.org/che/
Cheers
Chris
Von: Arnaud bourree
Gesendet: Montag, 18. November 2019 19:22
An: dev@netbeans.apache.org
Betreff: Re: Cloud Based NetBeans
Hi,
Personally, i cannot develop without 2 screen...
Will we be able to use 2 tablets?
A solution should be develop on 4K or 8K connected TV with a Bluetooth
keyboard.
I'm certainly too old.
I think that's chimera.
My 2 cents
Arnaud
Le lun. 18 nov. 2019 à 19:06, Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@apache.org> a
écrit :
> It’s been tried multiple times, just doesn’t seem to have caught on. Maybe
> this time it will be different for the subset of applications to which
> development in the Cloud makes sense.
>
> From a NetBeans perspective it would mean ‘editor functionality as a
> service’ within a browser in a web browser, with a NetBeans runtime in the
> background, which is something that is implemented in one or more Oracle
> Cloud technologies right now.
>
> Gj
>
> On Mon, 18 Nov 2019 at 18:32, Kenneth Fogel <kf...@dawsoncollege.qc.ca>
> wrote:
>
> > When I attended Microsoft Ignite, I was a guest of Microsoft, we were
> told
> > of a new version of Visual Studio that will be hosted in the cloud. You
> can
> > see it at https://online.visualstudio.com
> > <https://online.visualstudio.com/login>. You need a Microsoft account
> and
> > a free Azure account. You can see the details for yourself and the
> purpose
> > of this email is not to promote this offering.
> >
> >
> >
> > What this email is about is to discuss whether or not a cloud based
> > NetBeans is possible. With more and more users, therefore potential new
> > developers, using tablets and Chromebooks, less and less people will have
> > traditional PCs. Other languages such as Python have browser based IDEs.
> > Should we be investigating this?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [image: cid:image011.jpg@01D58921.806E3550]
> >
> > *Ken Fogel*
> > Faculty / Java Champion
> >
> > email: kfogel@dawsoncollege.qc.ca
> > phone: (514) 931-8731 local 4799
> >
> > Dawson College, 3040 Sherbrooke St. W
> > <
> https://www.google.com/maps/search/3040+Sherbrooke+St.+W+Westmount,%0D%0A+Quebec,+H3Z?entry=gmail&source=g
> >
> > Westmount, Quebec, H3Z
> > <
> https://www.google.com/maps/search/3040+Sherbrooke+St.+W+Westmount,%0D%0A+Quebec,+H3Z?entry=gmail&source=g
> >
> > 1A4, Canada
> >
> > [image: facebook icon] <https://www.facebook.com/ken.fogel> [image:
> > twitter icon] <https://twitter.com/omniprof> [image: youtube icon]
> > <https://www.youtube.com/kenfogel> [image: linkedin icon]
> > <https://www.linkedin.com/in/kenfogel/> [image: instagram icon]
> > <https://www.instagram.com/omniprof/>
> >
> > [image: cid:16cd4bdce7eaf8d708] <https://www.dawsoncollege.qc.ca/>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
Re: Cloud Based NetBeans
Posted by Arnaud bourree <ar...@gmail.com>.
Hi,
Personally, i cannot develop without 2 screen...
Will we be able to use 2 tablets?
A solution should be develop on 4K or 8K connected TV with a Bluetooth
keyboard.
I'm certainly too old.
I think that's chimera.
My 2 cents
Arnaud
Le lun. 18 nov. 2019 à 19:06, Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@apache.org> a
écrit :
> It’s been tried multiple times, just doesn’t seem to have caught on. Maybe
> this time it will be different for the subset of applications to which
> development in the Cloud makes sense.
>
> From a NetBeans perspective it would mean ‘editor functionality as a
> service’ within a browser in a web browser, with a NetBeans runtime in the
> background, which is something that is implemented in one or more Oracle
> Cloud technologies right now.
>
> Gj
>
> On Mon, 18 Nov 2019 at 18:32, Kenneth Fogel <kf...@dawsoncollege.qc.ca>
> wrote:
>
> > When I attended Microsoft Ignite, I was a guest of Microsoft, we were
> told
> > of a new version of Visual Studio that will be hosted in the cloud. You
> can
> > see it at https://online.visualstudio.com
> > <https://online.visualstudio.com/login>. You need a Microsoft account
> and
> > a free Azure account. You can see the details for yourself and the
> purpose
> > of this email is not to promote this offering.
> >
> >
> >
> > What this email is about is to discuss whether or not a cloud based
> > NetBeans is possible. With more and more users, therefore potential new
> > developers, using tablets and Chromebooks, less and less people will have
> > traditional PCs. Other languages such as Python have browser based IDEs.
> > Should we be investigating this?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [image: cid:image011.jpg@01D58921.806E3550]
> >
> > *Ken Fogel*
> > Faculty / Java Champion
> >
> > email: kfogel@dawsoncollege.qc.ca
> > phone: (514) 931-8731 local 4799
> >
> > Dawson College, 3040 Sherbrooke St. W
> > <
> https://www.google.com/maps/search/3040+Sherbrooke+St.+W+Westmount,%0D%0A+Quebec,+H3Z?entry=gmail&source=g
> >
> > Westmount, Quebec, H3Z
> > <
> https://www.google.com/maps/search/3040+Sherbrooke+St.+W+Westmount,%0D%0A+Quebec,+H3Z?entry=gmail&source=g
> >
> > 1A4, Canada
> >
> > [image: facebook icon] <https://www.facebook.com/ken.fogel> [image:
> > twitter icon] <https://twitter.com/omniprof> [image: youtube icon]
> > <https://www.youtube.com/kenfogel> [image: linkedin icon]
> > <https://www.linkedin.com/in/kenfogel/> [image: instagram icon]
> > <https://www.instagram.com/omniprof/>
> >
> > [image: cid:16cd4bdce7eaf8d708] <https://www.dawsoncollege.qc.ca/>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
Re: Cloud Based NetBeans
Posted by Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@apache.org>.
It’s been tried multiple times, just doesn’t seem to have caught on. Maybe
this time it will be different for the subset of applications to which
development in the Cloud makes sense.
From a NetBeans perspective it would mean ‘editor functionality as a
service’ within a browser in a web browser, with a NetBeans runtime in the
background, which is something that is implemented in one or more Oracle
Cloud technologies right now.
Gj
On Mon, 18 Nov 2019 at 18:32, Kenneth Fogel <kf...@dawsoncollege.qc.ca>
wrote:
> When I attended Microsoft Ignite, I was a guest of Microsoft, we were told
> of a new version of Visual Studio that will be hosted in the cloud. You can
> see it at https://online.visualstudio.com
> <https://online.visualstudio.com/login>. You need a Microsoft account and
> a free Azure account. You can see the details for yourself and the purpose
> of this email is not to promote this offering.
>
>
>
> What this email is about is to discuss whether or not a cloud based
> NetBeans is possible. With more and more users, therefore potential new
> developers, using tablets and Chromebooks, less and less people will have
> traditional PCs. Other languages such as Python have browser based IDEs.
> Should we be investigating this?
>
>
>
>
>
> [image: cid:image011.jpg@01D58921.806E3550]
>
> *Ken Fogel*
> Faculty / Java Champion
>
> email: kfogel@dawsoncollege.qc.ca
> phone: (514) 931-8731 local 4799
>
> Dawson College, 3040 Sherbrooke St. W
> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/3040+Sherbrooke+St.+W+Westmount,%0D%0A+Quebec,+H3Z?entry=gmail&source=g>
> Westmount, Quebec, H3Z
> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/3040+Sherbrooke+St.+W+Westmount,%0D%0A+Quebec,+H3Z?entry=gmail&source=g>
> 1A4, Canada
>
> [image: facebook icon] <https://www.facebook.com/ken.fogel> [image:
> twitter icon] <https://twitter.com/omniprof> [image: youtube icon]
> <https://www.youtube.com/kenfogel> [image: linkedin icon]
> <https://www.linkedin.com/in/kenfogel/> [image: instagram icon]
> <https://www.instagram.com/omniprof/>
>
> [image: cid:16cd4bdce7eaf8d708] <https://www.dawsoncollege.qc.ca/>
>
>
>
>
>
Re: Cloud Based NetBeans
Posted by Josh Juneau <ju...@gmail.com>.
I think from my vantage point, the biggest benefit of having Apache NetBeans in the browser would be the ability to code anywhere. I would like to have the ability to code on my iPad if I needed to do so. I can certainly use a text editor to do so, but it certainly would be nice to run NetBeans on an iPad so that there would be a full developer experience.
Best Regards
Josh Juneau
juneau001@gmail.com
http://jj-blogger.blogspot.com
https://www.apress.com/us/search?query=Juneau
> On Nov 18, 2019, at 10:11 PM, Siddhesh Rane <si...@disroot.org> wrote:
>
> Putting your IDE in the browser sounds nice but what benefit does it bring?
>
> A better alternative would be to make Netbeans code analysis features available through a server (like OpenGrok but with code semantics search) for huge code bases and multiple git branches. The resulting API code be used by client side IDE (or any other text editor) to get pre computed AST, code completion, indexes etc. This would have the benefit that people won't have to wait for parsing as a more powerful server would have done it. C/C++ projects would greatly benefit from this
>
> Regards
> Siddhesh Rane
>
> November 19, 2019 7:49 AM, "Scott Wierschem" <sc...@potentialpower.com> wrote:
>
>> There is a tool out there called WebSwing (https://www.webswing.org) that
>> renders a Swing application as a Web application without having to change
>> any code. At least a year ago they had a demo where it ran NetBeans as a
>> Web application. I was pretty impressed that the few things I tried with it
>> worked pretty well.
>>
>> Additionally, Eclipse Che (mentioned above) has an API that allows native
>> editors to work on cloud-based projects. They claim it works with Eclipse
>> and IntelliJ (with appropriate plugins and configuration).
>>
>> I think this sharing of cloud-based projects is more practical - and
>> useful. Pairing through the IDE. Web-based tools (including Electron)
>> always make me long for the more performant desktop app.
>>
>> Scott
>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 3:49 PM Emilian Bold <em...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I suspect this is a lot of work that needs to be done. Investigating is
>>> easy, but who will work on it day after day?!
>>>
>>> Years ago I had a chunk of NetBeans in an applet (not JNLP, a sandboxed
>>> applet).
>>>
>>> Oracle tried making an editor with a NB backend, but they never
>>> open-sourced the web client. We just saw the big refactorings that happened
>>> to separate the Swing from non-Swing code (because, who wants Swing in
>>> their app server?).
>>>
>>> I think it might be simpler to take some pre-existing web editor (maybe
>>> from VS Code?) and plug in the NetBeans power related to indexing /
>>> completion / refactoring / etc.
>>>
>>> Speaking of Chromebooks, they have virtualised Linux now and Google was
>>> mentioning running Android studio in there so it seems obvious you could
>>> run NetBeans such way too. I'm not really into getting more Chromebooks
>>> nowadays (have 2 already, before the Linux feature) but it's a nice angle
>>> to explore for a tiny-tiny niche.
>>>
>>> --emi
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 7:32 PM Kenneth Fogel <kf...@dawsoncollege.qc.ca>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> When I attended Microsoft Ignite, I was a guest of Microsoft, we were
>>> told
>>> of a new version of Visual Studio that will be hosted in the cloud. You
>>> can
>>> see it at https://online.visualstudio.com
>>> <https://online.visualstudio.com/login>. You need a Microsoft account
>>> and
>>> a free Azure account. You can see the details for yourself and the
>>> purpose
>>> of this email is not to promote this offering.
>>>
>>> What this email is about is to discuss whether or not a cloud based
>>> NetBeans is possible. With more and more users, therefore potential new
>>> developers, using tablets and Chromebooks, less and less people will have
>>> traditional PCs. Other languages such as Python have browser based IDEs.
>>> Should we be investigating this?
>>>
>>> [image: cid:image011.jpg@01D58921.806E3550]
>>>
>>> *Ken Fogel*
>>> Faculty / Java Champion
>>>
>>> email: kfogel@dawsoncollege.qc.ca
>>> phone: (514) 931-8731 local 4799
>>>
>>> Dawson College, 3040 Sherbrooke St. W Westmount, Quebec, H3Z 1A4, Canada
>>>
>>> [image: facebook icon] <https://www.facebook.com/ken.fogel> [image:
>>> twitter icon] <https://twitter.com/omniprof> [image: youtube icon]
>>> <https://www.youtube.com/kenfogel> [image: linkedin icon]
>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/in/kenfogel> [image: instagram icon]
>>> <https://www.instagram.com/omniprof>
>>>
>>> [image: cid:16cd4bdce7eaf8d708] <https://www.dawsoncollege.qc.ca>
>>
>> --
>> http://PotentialPower.com
>> @PotentPower
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Re: Cloud Based NetBeans
Posted by Damjan Jovanovic <da...@apache.org>.
On Tue, Nov 19, 2019 at 6:11 AM Siddhesh Rane <si...@disroot.org>
wrote:
> Putting your IDE in the browser sounds nice but what benefit does it
> bring?
>
>
To you: cross-platform development, the ability to move between devices and
continue development, possibly pair programming by distant people.
To Microsoft: spying on the software development industry on an
unprecedented level, anticompetitiveness against other software development
companies (as they can see what everybody else is developing before they
release it), a software piracy solution that actually works, ongoing
revenue from rentism, less money spent on development as Javascript
developers come cheap and they can reuse code from Visual Studio Code. What
could bring them greater benefits?
Stay off the cloud, and not just Microsoft's.
Regards
Damjan
Re: Cloud Based NetBeans
Posted by Siddhesh Rane <si...@disroot.org>.
Putting your IDE in the browser sounds nice but what benefit does it bring?
A better alternative would be to make Netbeans code analysis features available through a server (like OpenGrok but with code semantics search) for huge code bases and multiple git branches. The resulting API code be used by client side IDE (or any other text editor) to get pre computed AST, code completion, indexes etc. This would have the benefit that people won't have to wait for parsing as a more powerful server would have done it. C/C++ projects would greatly benefit from this
Regards
Siddhesh Rane
November 19, 2019 7:49 AM, "Scott Wierschem" <sc...@potentialpower.com> wrote:
> There is a tool out there called WebSwing (https://www.webswing.org) that
> renders a Swing application as a Web application without having to change
> any code. At least a year ago they had a demo where it ran NetBeans as a
> Web application. I was pretty impressed that the few things I tried with it
> worked pretty well.
>
> Additionally, Eclipse Che (mentioned above) has an API that allows native
> editors to work on cloud-based projects. They claim it works with Eclipse
> and IntelliJ (with appropriate plugins and configuration).
>
> I think this sharing of cloud-based projects is more practical - and
> useful. Pairing through the IDE. Web-based tools (including Electron)
> always make me long for the more performant desktop app.
>
> Scott
>
> On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 3:49 PM Emilian Bold <em...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I suspect this is a lot of work that needs to be done. Investigating is
>> easy, but who will work on it day after day?!
>>
>> Years ago I had a chunk of NetBeans in an applet (not JNLP, a sandboxed
>> applet).
>>
>> Oracle tried making an editor with a NB backend, but they never
>> open-sourced the web client. We just saw the big refactorings that happened
>> to separate the Swing from non-Swing code (because, who wants Swing in
>> their app server?).
>>
>> I think it might be simpler to take some pre-existing web editor (maybe
>> from VS Code?) and plug in the NetBeans power related to indexing /
>> completion / refactoring / etc.
>>
>> Speaking of Chromebooks, they have virtualised Linux now and Google was
>> mentioning running Android studio in there so it seems obvious you could
>> run NetBeans such way too. I'm not really into getting more Chromebooks
>> nowadays (have 2 already, before the Linux feature) but it's a nice angle
>> to explore for a tiny-tiny niche.
>>
>> --emi
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 7:32 PM Kenneth Fogel <kf...@dawsoncollege.qc.ca>
>> wrote:
>>
>> When I attended Microsoft Ignite, I was a guest of Microsoft, we were
>> told
>> of a new version of Visual Studio that will be hosted in the cloud. You
>> can
>> see it at https://online.visualstudio.com
>> <https://online.visualstudio.com/login>. You need a Microsoft account
>> and
>> a free Azure account. You can see the details for yourself and the
>> purpose
>> of this email is not to promote this offering.
>>
>> What this email is about is to discuss whether or not a cloud based
>> NetBeans is possible. With more and more users, therefore potential new
>> developers, using tablets and Chromebooks, less and less people will have
>> traditional PCs. Other languages such as Python have browser based IDEs.
>> Should we be investigating this?
>>
>> [image: cid:image011.jpg@01D58921.806E3550]
>>
>> *Ken Fogel*
>> Faculty / Java Champion
>>
>> email: kfogel@dawsoncollege.qc.ca
>> phone: (514) 931-8731 local 4799
>>
>> Dawson College, 3040 Sherbrooke St. W Westmount, Quebec, H3Z 1A4, Canada
>>
>> [image: facebook icon] <https://www.facebook.com/ken.fogel> [image:
>> twitter icon] <https://twitter.com/omniprof> [image: youtube icon]
>> <https://www.youtube.com/kenfogel> [image: linkedin icon]
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/in/kenfogel> [image: instagram icon]
>> <https://www.instagram.com/omniprof>
>>
>> [image: cid:16cd4bdce7eaf8d708] <https://www.dawsoncollege.qc.ca>
>
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Re: Cloud Based NetBeans
Posted by Scott Wierschem <sc...@potentialpower.com>.
There is a tool out there called WebSwing (https://www.webswing.org/) that
renders a Swing application as a Web application without having to change
any code. At least a year ago they had a demo where it ran NetBeans as a
Web application. I was pretty impressed that the few things I tried with it
worked pretty well.
Additionally, Eclipse Che (mentioned above) has an API that allows native
editors to work on cloud-based projects. They claim it works with Eclipse
and IntelliJ (with appropriate plugins and configuration).
I think this sharing of cloud-based projects is more practical - and
useful. Pairing through the IDE. Web-based tools (including Electron)
always make me long for the more performant desktop app.
Scott
On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 3:49 PM Emilian Bold <em...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I suspect this is a lot of work that needs to be done. Investigating is
> easy, but who will work on it day after day?!
>
> Years ago I had a chunk of NetBeans in an applet (not JNLP, a sandboxed
> applet).
>
> Oracle tried making an editor with a NB backend, but they never
> open-sourced the web client. We just saw the big refactorings that happened
> to separate the Swing from non-Swing code (because, who wants Swing in
> their app server?).
>
> I think it might be simpler to take some pre-existing web editor (maybe
> from VS Code?) and plug in the NetBeans power related to indexing /
> completion / refactoring / etc.
>
> Speaking of Chromebooks, they have virtualised Linux now and Google was
> mentioning running Android studio in there so it seems obvious you could
> run NetBeans such way too. I'm not really into getting more Chromebooks
> nowadays (have 2 already, before the Linux feature) but it's a nice angle
> to explore for a tiny-tiny niche.
>
> --emi
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 7:32 PM Kenneth Fogel <kf...@dawsoncollege.qc.ca>
> wrote:
>
> > When I attended Microsoft Ignite, I was a guest of Microsoft, we were
> told
> > of a new version of Visual Studio that will be hosted in the cloud. You
> can
> > see it at https://online.visualstudio.com
> > <https://online.visualstudio.com/login>. You need a Microsoft account
> and
> > a free Azure account. You can see the details for yourself and the
> purpose
> > of this email is not to promote this offering.
> >
> >
> >
> > What this email is about is to discuss whether or not a cloud based
> > NetBeans is possible. With more and more users, therefore potential new
> > developers, using tablets and Chromebooks, less and less people will have
> > traditional PCs. Other languages such as Python have browser based IDEs.
> > Should we be investigating this?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [image: cid:image011.jpg@01D58921.806E3550]
> >
> > *Ken Fogel*
> > Faculty / Java Champion
> >
> > email: kfogel@dawsoncollege.qc.ca
> > phone: (514) 931-8731 local 4799
> >
> > Dawson College, 3040 Sherbrooke St. W Westmount, Quebec, H3Z 1A4, Canada
> >
> > [image: facebook icon] <https://www.facebook.com/ken.fogel> [image:
> > twitter icon] <https://twitter.com/omniprof> [image: youtube icon]
> > <https://www.youtube.com/kenfogel> [image: linkedin icon]
> > <https://www.linkedin.com/in/kenfogel/> [image: instagram icon]
> > <https://www.instagram.com/omniprof/>
> >
> > [image: cid:16cd4bdce7eaf8d708] <https://www.dawsoncollege.qc.ca/>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
--
http://PotentialPower.com
@PotentPower
Re: Cloud Based NetBeans
Posted by Emilian Bold <em...@gmail.com>.
I suspect this is a lot of work that needs to be done. Investigating is
easy, but who will work on it day after day?!
Years ago I had a chunk of NetBeans in an applet (not JNLP, a sandboxed
applet).
Oracle tried making an editor with a NB backend, but they never
open-sourced the web client. We just saw the big refactorings that happened
to separate the Swing from non-Swing code (because, who wants Swing in
their app server?).
I think it might be simpler to take some pre-existing web editor (maybe
from VS Code?) and plug in the NetBeans power related to indexing /
completion / refactoring / etc.
Speaking of Chromebooks, they have virtualised Linux now and Google was
mentioning running Android studio in there so it seems obvious you could
run NetBeans such way too. I'm not really into getting more Chromebooks
nowadays (have 2 already, before the Linux feature) but it's a nice angle
to explore for a tiny-tiny niche.
--emi
On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 7:32 PM Kenneth Fogel <kf...@dawsoncollege.qc.ca>
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> When I attended Microsoft Ignite, I was a guest of Microsoft, we were told
> of a new version of Visual Studio that will be hosted in the cloud. You can
> see it at https://online.visualstudio.com
> <https://online.visualstudio.com/login>. You need a Microsoft account and
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